Why Should I Switch?

Discussion in 'Switch Stories' started by StevieA, Jan 8, 2004.

  1. StevieA macrumors newbie

    Jan 8, 2004
    I'm a PC user, working in Graphic Design, and my systems need upgrading, so I'm thinking of changing to Macs. I havn't used Macs for about 5 years, but the recent speed increases of the G5s are tempting me.

    What I often read from Mac users is the improved productivity of the Mac environment, can anyone elaborate on this, and give me examples of how this is improved over PCs.

    Please note that I'm not interested in speed comparisons between PCs & Macs, simply useability.

  2. jayscheuerle macrumors 68020


    OSX is a different OS, a different working environment. It will be a change for you. You'll either like it or not. If you can, go to an Apple store (or wherever) and play with it for a while. The only real advantage that Macs have is that their OS and their hardware are better connected.

    Just do your research. Avoid zealots or ignoramuses on either side. - j
  3. e-coli macrumors 68000


    Jul 27, 2002
    The main reason, for me, is typographic. Macs have an extended font set that includes all the proper typographic marks and punctuation. Windows font sets simply don't contain these items.

    And ColorSync is really a nice feature. The Mac gamma allows the monitor to display many more colors more accurately than Windows based systems, which tend to be much more contrast-y and tends to crunch colors on the high and low end of the spectrums.

    And my Mac just works relatively zero maintenence, so I can concentrate on the work. I'm not being a zealot, but I was a PC guy when I started in design, and I switched. I would never go back.

    But that's me. Everyone has different needs and tastes.
  4. localhero macrumors newbie

    Jan 8, 2004
    Why I like Macs

    I've used Windows and OS9 and OSX (currently Panther).

    When I switched to the Mac I just found it suited the way I work. My move to OSX has been pretty positive too, and the stability has been outstanding.

    I've upgraded to a new 2Gig Dual G5. This is a lovely machine.

    I know we pay more for these computers but I think from the OS to the Build quality, Apple, for me, have it pretty much right.

    I've not used XP, and I have heard good things about it, however my experience on Windows has been spoilt by a lot of fiddling with the machine and less time actually doing the job I want to do. With the Mac I can just, usually, get on with it.

    Finally, most print outfits (in the UK anyway) are Mac based, so this can simplify your workflow when it comes to print.

    I could never go back to Windows.
  5. isus macrumors regular

    Jan 13, 2004
    i like osx because it is:
    visually pleasing
    and is practically virus free

    also, there is no rush to upgrade equipment. in the pc game, your computer has passed it's useful life in a few months... then something twice as fast (in numbers) is out. i have seen apple computers that are 5 years old run osx at a pretty nice speed.

    also nice about apple:
    the software included. there is just no way to compare the iapps you get from apple to whatever is bundled with your pc. apple takes a good amount of time to develop these things and it shows.
  6. revenuee macrumors 68020


    Sep 13, 2003
    A place where i am supreme emporer
    Why macs increase productivity?

    5 words

    "less rebooting due to crashes :)"
  7. StevieA thread starter macrumors newbie

    Jan 8, 2004
    I have been running XP on my desktop machines and laptop, and havn't had any system crashes in 2+ years.

  8. edesignuk Moderator emeritus


    Mar 25, 2002
    London, England
    Same here. Slagging off Windows isn't going to make StevieA switch, saying that Windows constantly crashes and is unstable does not work any more fellas.

    I think you should go and try one, you may hate the OS, you may love it. No one can tell you what you will work better with, it's down to you to decide. If you do decide to go the Mac route and get a G5, I'm sure you will not be disappointed, from what I here they are VERY fast...but it just depends what you work better with.
  9. isus macrumors regular

    Jan 13, 2004
    i use windows xp on the computer i built for myself, and it crashes occasionally. usually the problems are due to flaws with the computer itself, ie bad airflow because it has to sit next to a wall.

    however, it still bsod's about 2x a month. i've only had a kernel panic 1x, and i don't know why, but it only happened once, so who cares?

    while the satbility thing works for some people, it doesn't work for everybody. i am not you, i do not use your computer, it bsod's on mine, so ta-da ;)
  10. bubbamac macrumors 6502

    Dec 24, 2003
    Macs are better for me because:

    The software is designed for the hardware.

    The hardware is designed as a unit - looks nice, works nice.

    The software is stable, when doing things that the average Windows user might not even think of doing. I've routinely got 12 apps running, and as many as 18. I recently had 6 html pages open in an editor, with 6 corresponding browser windows (all auto updating, 2 finder windows, a text page, and a flyer layout in another program open and on the desktop at the same time - on top of the 12 open apps. No sweat.

    When an app crashes (and they do), it is so nice to be able to simply open it back up again, and continue. The system simply isn't affected.

    This is all on at TiBook 667 - close to three year old technology, and 1/3 the speed of the current processors. Runs great.

    And, in the end, it's just a smoother, nicer computing experience.

    Good luck either way.

    If you want to give it a try, get yourself an eMac and try it. They're reasonably priced (I'm amazed at how cheap they are), and if you don't like it, sell it.
  11. Mr. Anderson Moderator emeritus

    Mr. Anderson

    Nov 1, 2001
    Just remember, aside from aesthetics, if you switch to a Mac, you'll have to get all new software....that's an additional cost. And some things aren't the same on both systems in regards to the software.

  12. bryanc macrumors 6502

    Feb 12, 2003
    Fredericton, NB Canada
    My needs are quite likely different from yours but...

    I'm a scientist, so the way I use my computers is probably not representative of the 'average' user, but I'll give you my perspective as another data point.

    I have a fairly capable PC running Win2k (I had XP on it, but found it an enormous pain-in-the-...). I bought a TiBook (667 MHz) a couple of years ago to use as my 'presentation' machine (liked the form factor, and had heard a lot of good things about OS X...figured if I didn't like it I could sell it) and fell in love with it almost instantly.

    Despite being a biologist by training, I've been a computer geek for decades (started using computers in 1968). I've always enjoyed fiddling with them, programming, tweaking, trouble shooting, configuring, tuning, upgrading, etc. and consequently, I've been the de-facto IT support guy for many labs, and even whole departments at times. I've worked extensively with every version of windows there has been, not to mention VMS, MTS, unix, solaris, linux, free-BSD, DOS, Amiga-DOS, etc.

    What I've discovered, somewhat to my surprise, is that OS X is the perfect OS for me...It's beautiful and easy to use when I just need to get some work done, and it's got all of the wonderful unix goodness underneath that I can play with if I feel geekey.

    Another surprise to me was that I expected to use my PC for the heavy lifting, and use my pretty little TiBook for presentations and such. But I use my TiBook for almost everything. Yesterday, I was manipulating an 840MB data set on my PC (which has a 1.2 GHz processor an a GB of RAM) and it kept GPFing every time I tried to open the file. So I moved it over to my laptop, and processed it without difficulty (it slowed down, and the fan came on, but I could still listen to iTunes and surf the net while the data got processed). My PC is positively fragile compared to my laptop. I reboot my PC at least once a day to keep it running properly, and much more often if I'm working it hard. My laptop is currently on it's 32nd day since the last reboot, and it has gone longer than that.

    So the stability of OS X is quite impressive, but more important than that is that the mac works as a beautifully integrated system, whereas the PC is ten thousand parts flying in loose formation. If you enjoy fiddling with them, PCs are kind of fun, because there is always something that needs fixing, but if you need to get work done, the mac is the way to go.

  13. StevieA thread starter macrumors newbie

    Jan 8, 2004
    Thanks for the comments. I guess I'm being tempted by pretty, shiny things! I'm aware of the costs involved in switching my software, but the hardware price is also a deciding factor, I can buy several Dells for the price of a G5!
    I can't help feeling I'll stay with PCs for now, mainly because I know the os/hardware so well, and I don't think there is a solid reason for me to switch right now. However I think I may buy a iMac and see how I get on with it. Wish me luck, I may well be back.

  14. rueyeet macrumors 65816


    Jun 10, 2003
    I find that while Windows 2K Pro itself has never crashed on me, applications seem to crash far more than on my home Mac. And this is with MS Office and Outlook...you'd think MS could design its stuff to work better together.

    Also configuration is so much easier. Where in Windows so many of the Control Panels are complicated to the point where the use of wizards to do anything is encouraged over trying to set stuff manually (and some of those wizards are notorious for doing almost-but-not-quite what you wanted), the Mac's System Preferences are so clearly and simply laid out that it's comparatively easy to find the settings you want and get them configured.

    In fact, you know how Microsoft products in general try to do things for you and you end up with almost-but-not-quite what you wanted (or something you definitely didn't)? Wizards and Office Assistants and Plug-n-Play and the like? The Mac is MUCH better at actually doing stuff for you. Usually in the background, and with the effect you wanted.

    If you're currently using Windows in a corporate environment, then your company should already be running firewall and anti-virus software. If not, then a Mac will probably be a more secure choice.

    Those are the immediate usability considerations that spring to my mind, as a user of both Windows and OS X, that don't have to do with just preference in how things ought to work. You really don't realize how much of that almost-but-not-quite you take for granted with Microsoft stuff, and how much time you've spent fighting with your computer to do stuff, until you work on a Mac for a while.
  15. Thirteenva macrumors 6502a

    Jul 18, 2002
    One of the things I love about my mac...

    Apple supplies most of the tools you need with the OS...

    Examples: iChat (aol instant messaging), Mail client, iCal(Calendar), iTunes(digital jukebox), Preview(pdf and image viewer).

    These are all things you would probably have to get supplied to you seperately in the windows world. AIM, Office, Music Match, Adobe Reader.

    Yet on the mac, they're all ready to go and Integrated with each other. And they all get along...

    My boss today was complaining about his Aol messenger crashing when those "movie ads" playing.

    My parents complain that one app won't run when some other app is open.

    Non issues for me, I have an add free fully integrated software environment.

    I miss very little from the windows world i left 4 years ago.
  16. Mantat macrumors 6502a

    Sep 19, 2003
    Montréal (Canada)
    I just want to point to one thing: Dells box cost less for a reason, they are made of cheap plastic and use low end components. For the same amount on computing power, its impossible that you can fit many dells in a G5 price. They are about the same price for high end systems.

    I think the biggest factor in you switching is the cost of software. You can try to sell them on ebay or forums or anev try to trade them for mac version.

    I think the best way for you to know if the mac is for you is to go to an apple store and play with it a bit. You will soon realize that a lot of the iApps integrate so well in your life that you cant live without them.

    Also, all the color management on the mac is leagues away from the pc world which is another big plus.

    Try it, and you will see!
  17. flyfish29 macrumors 68020


    Feb 4, 2003
    New HAMpshire
    Re: Why I like Macs

    I have to second these comments! My new iMac has not crashed once since I received it over 6 months ago. I have had three different applications (mail, iPhoto, and Safari) either unexpetantly quit or freeze up, but none of those instances has required a restart. I have just forced quit the application, and restarted working by opening up the app,. again.

    Stability and porductivity are the two key points for me. Not having to troubleshoot much, (a little, but nothing major) therefore give me the ability to be productive almost 100% of the time I spend on my mac.

    I know PC's have improved quite a bit recently, but I would have to say that even though the mac was great a few years back with OS 8 - 9, OSX has transformed the entire computing experinece for myself.

    Again, take a test drive on one. Spend an hour or more at an apple store on OSX. See how integrated everything is for yourself and how it works seamlessly

    Good luck
  18. virividox macrumors 601


    Aug 19, 2003
    Manila - Nottingham - Philadelphia - Santa Barbar
    i enjoy using apple cuz their software and hardware work nearly seamlessly.

    i use windows a lot, still, by choice, and i can say both systems have their strenghts and weaknesses.

    i am partial to apple because i can get a lot done with the apps they provide and the apps offered are very high quality and i dont have to really search for apps like i have to do in the wintel world, not to say wintel has lousy apps, they just have so many, sometimes its duanting
  19. iShater macrumors 604


    Aug 13, 2002
    I think that is what got many switcheds to notice Macs in the first place :)

    The hardware cost will be very similar to a Dell highend machine, which you will probably need for your work. Since you seem to make your living through this, I would recommend taking your time to evaluate your options.

    The cost is a factor, but the productivity is one as well. I think someone already suggested getting a low-end machine to try out OSX, maybe get some demo versions of the code that you have. After using that for a few weeks you will know if you want to make the switch or not, either case you can sell the low-end machine and then proceed to upgrade your system to either platform that first your needs.

    I switched in May, and what I like:

    - the fresh approach to computing compared to windows, different interface, different system.
    - hardware integration.
    - bundled applications.
    - UNIX is available right on the same machine that Word and Photoshop are present, along with even games.
    - Window layout in my opinion makes it easier to use applications.
    - Everyday I am learning something new that makes me go either 'wow, that is amazing, this saves me a lot of time', or 'wow, this is so cool, and fun!'. Both which make me glad I switched.

    Hope this helps :D
  20. StevieA thread starter macrumors newbie

    Jan 8, 2004
    Damn - I'd thought I'd decided to stay with PCs, and then the last few posts have me wavering again. . .

    I particularly liked bryanc's comment "the PC is ten thousand parts flying in loose formation".

  21. denjeff macrumors member

    Jan 14, 2004
    a pen :)

    the Dock

    being able to run 20 at the same time (i think I did about 20 once with only 386MB of RAM on my G4 400)

    UNIX (if you want to run any server, it 's easy to set them up... almost all is included in the system: http, ftp, ssh... and there are so many good open source programs, all ported to the mac an all free)

    compactibility (I am able to open any type of document, every type of program has an excellent representation)

    easiness of connecting to servers (any kind of servers)

    almost no cost of maintainance (my computer is 4 years old and the only thing I added was RAM, for the rest there was never any kind of problem)


    I have a friend who recently switched (from XP)... after 2 weeks he says he will never go back again...
  22. bubbamac macrumors 6502

    Dec 24, 2003
    Earlier I mentioned getting a cheapie to try Apple out. I forgot to mention - Don't get a G3 processor, unless you're willing to understand that the G3 is way slower than any G4.

    As far as comparing a G5 to a Dell.... You'd have to compare Dell's absolute highest end machine to get even close. Most of the G4 machines will compare favorably with Dell products. A comparable Apple product is NOT more expensive than a Dell. Promise.
  23. StevieA thread starter macrumors newbie

    Jan 8, 2004
    I used the Dell as an example only, I'm well aware of Apple's build quality.

    If I went for a G4 (imac or lapop), are there any "essential" extra software I'd need to buy. I'd be using Adobe's Photoshop/After Effects/Illustrator, for TV-res graphics.

  24. Chip NoVaMac macrumors G3

    Chip NoVaMac

    Dec 25, 2003
    Northern Virginia
    As a recent re-switcher I can offer this advice. I produce ads for my company. In the Windows enviroment I used Publisher and Photoshop. I won't get really into Publisher (it has it good points and bad points). What amazed me is when I brought over a PS file from Windows into my Mac and did the Acrobat magic, just how much better the output was. It showed me despite the compatibility statements by software vendors, there is a difference how the files are handled.

    Let me expand on this compatibility issue a bit more. I had a PS file that disp[layed correctly in PS. All text layers were there. When I exported to Acrobat there were missing lines. I brought that file to PS CS in the Mac and did a Acrobat file and no missing lines.

    The other advantage for me was in dealing with my publishers. While they do work with Windows formats, when I had a question they are better able to help me on the Mac platform. Even if they don't support the inDesign program, since they have Mac users that have used it (or know something about it).

    I am looking forward to my Sony Windows system dieing so that I can justify buying a Mac desktop. Why? With all of the "extra" gear that I attached to the Mac, I never had a problem in getting it to work. Not even my cell phone (which required me to buy a seperate program).

    I find myself being forced to reboot my Windows system after a day or to to correct system sluggishness, or erratic behavior. And so far I have not had any virus or spyware problems that seem to plague my Windows system on a regular basis.

    My first Mac was back in the OS 8 days. While I liked what I had, when it came to upgrade I did not see any benifit. At this point I don't see me buying a Windows based system EVER again!

    Iam using a new PB 12" with 512mb ram. So far the performance seems to better then what I had in Windows. I have Mail, inDesign, Acrobat, and other programs open at the same time and find switching to fast and "cleaner" than when I was under Windows with 1gb RAM.

    Hope thsi helps.

  25. musicjon macrumors newbie

    Jan 30, 2003
    Nashville TN
    From a switcher

    I switched 1 year ago Februrary.

    I switched mainly because of marketing and Apple's reputation among my peers in the music field, but I'm glad I switched for different reasons.

    #1 - Palladium freaks me out.

    #2 - Great resale value. I bought a refurbished iMac in February, and ebayed it in November. Net loss: $125

    #3 - I don't waste time playing computer geek anymore. I make music instead.

    Point #3 was made very evident last week as I watched a friend of mine rebuild his Wintel music PC. He spent 4 days messing with his computer setting up the same things that would take me 1 hour or less with my Mac.

    I really hope you take the plunge and try out a Mac. Your creativity may soar.

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