Why there are fewer blacks in the Republican party?

fivepoint

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Why are there so few African Americans that stand up for fiscal conservatism, strict constitutionalism, and other conservative ideals? Perhaps this is one reason as demonstrated by the video below... Because you can't be conservative, have conservative ideals, or defend a conservative commentator (even if you're a traditional liberal, like Fox's Juan Williams) without being accused of being a "house ******" by the black community.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUYx8vUZyhY


Here are a few quotes from a related article:
http://www.hoover.org/publications/digest/3506941.html

The problem for the black conservative is more his separation from the authority of his racial group than from the actual group. He stands outside a group authority so sharply defined and monolithic that it routinely delivers more than 90 percent of the black vote to whatever Democrat runs for president. The black conservative may console himself with the idea that he is on the side of truth, but even truth is cold comfort against group authority (which very often has no special regard for truth). White supremacy focused white America’s group authority for three centuries before truth could even begin to catch up. Group authority is just as likely to be an expression of collective ignorance as of truth; but it is always, in a given era, more powerful than truth.

The great problem for the black conservative is that the necessity of his or her truth is hidden so that it seems irrelevant, academic. What keeps it hidden is the symbiosis between whites and blacks by which they agree to let victimization totally explain black difficulty. Whites agree to stay on this hook for an illusion of redemption, and blacks agree to keep them there for an illusion of power. I can say that these investments are illusions, that whites have no real redemption, and that blacks have no real power, but then what do I have? That’s really what the young journalist was saying to me as we walked to her car. Government, corporate America, universities, foundations—they were all in the business of seeing blacks as victims, of trading an illusion of power for an illusion of redemption. Everybody was practiced in these negotiations, so the fact that they encouraged helplessness in blacks, kept them mired in a victim-focused identity, gave them a disinvestment in success and an investment in failure . . . well. The black conservative is at odds with a very cozy and very functional symbiosis, and there is always something to be said for function. He may believe that there are bodies under the floorboards, but until that truth is more widely understood, there is not much necessity in what he says.

And another...
http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/3416/come_on_people_bill_cosby_is_right

And another...
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200805/cosby


Do you consider this to be a problem?
Do the authors of these pieces ring true?
Was what happened to Juan Williams wrong?
Have entitlement programs and big government's "assistance" helped the black community, or hurt them in the long run?
Do you more generally agree with someone like Bill Cosby or with someone like Rev. Sharpton?


"Success is to be measured not so much by the position that one has reached in life as by the obstacles which he has overcome." -Booker T. Washington
 

Sky Blue

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Because the party is run by rich racist old white folks that don't give a **** about anything but getting richer?
 

Dont Hurt Me

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Because the party is run by rich racist old white folks that don't give a **** about anything but getting richer?
WoW! hitting a home run with that statement. I would tend to agree, profits at any cost and screw everything and everyone else. I think that philosophy has wiped out our manufacturing base in the U.S. and put us into this situation we are in.
Lets face it the illegal workers are here to make those fat old white guys rich hence govt and business working together to allow this for decades. Does the republican party offer anything for a working black man?
 

chstr

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WoW! hitting a home run with that statement. I would tend to agree, profits at any cost and screw everything and everyone else. I think that philosophy has wiped out our manufacturing base in the U.S. and put us into this situation we are in.
Lets face it the illegal workers are here to make those fat old white guys rich hence govt and business working together to allow this for decades. Does the republican party offer anything for a working black man?
yeah but it goes much deeper than that. There are plenty of working class folk that are hypnotized into following republican ideals because they are the "moral" party. religion also sways a large percentage of catholic latino voters and this "fear of socialism" even sways a very many legal immigrant voters. greed is a huge factor but there is much more to this story...

edit; oops forgot to mention that little thing called the military. certainly not the rich old fat white guys that make up the majority of that organization (although they are controlling their actions)
 

jb1280

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Before delving into more academic and philosophical points on this, I think some generalizations on contemporary history and the current demographic makeup of the parties is important.

Caveat: I do believe there is some structural "group" problems associated with this phenomenon that the original poster refers to, but I find them rather marginal.

The two benign factions of the contemporary republican coalition are the strict constitutional-origin interpretation/ultra free market crowd and the so-called "values voters".

The first group is usually of a certain age and socio-economic group. We can't ignore that there are simply fewer African Americans that belong to this group. Necessarily this means that is a smaller pool for garnering support.

There has been a trend for university educated, urban, affluent voters towards the Democratic Party. African Americans who are affluent and could be drawn into the free market Republican fold are part of this group - it will take a major screw-up by the Democratic Party to undo this coalition, which is possible.

There are African American "values voters" - see the California referendum on Gay Rights. The problem is they tend to be more "downscale" voters and are overtly hostile, and I would say rightfully so, over a very small, but still present faction in the Republican Party as a result of the "Southern strategy" - brining the old Dixiecrats into the party, ie. Racists.

This does cut both ways though - in the "downscale" voter area you have always had competing interests among ethnic groups - there is guilt on all sides. That said, the contemporary Democratic party has a monopoly on down-scale African American voters just as the Republican party has a monopoly on down-scale rural caucasian voters.

It doesn't help that the Republican Party has been reduced to a core rump, geographically located in the heart of Old Dixie.

In closing, it's silly to pin this exclusively on pressures from within a "group" or by the party they are affiliated with recently. The weight of history is too great and we should all know by now that voters rarely vote in terms of rational interests.

For every African American who is a multi-millionaire that votes for the Democratic party despite what it might do to their tax rates, portfolios, mobility or larger beliefs we have a Rural Caucasian uninsured family of 6 on a net annual income of $30,000 who would always vote Republican and never vote Democratic even if it meant gaining basic healthcare, education, and opportunity.

On a flippant aside, pertaining to strict constitutionalists, if it was me, I would find being referred to as 3/5 of a person in the original document a kind of hard pill to swallow.
 

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Your question is valid, but the answer you so desperately want, totally ignores the reality.

Why aren't there more gays in the republican party? Because other gays are holding them back or because republican policies are more detrimental to their financial and social well-being?

Duh! It's pretty easy to figure that one out and it doesn't take a whole lot to realize that conservative blacks are also better off with the Democrats. Joining up with the repubs is like throwing yourself under the bus.
 

leekohler

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Because the party is run by rich racist old white folks that don't give a **** about anything but getting richer?
Your question is valid, but the answer you so desperately want, totally ignores the reality.

Why aren't there more gays in the republican party? Because other gays are holding them back or because republican policies are more detrimental to their financial and social well-being?

Duh! It's pretty easy to figure that one out and it doesn't take a whole lot to realize that conservative blacks are also better off with the Democrats. Joining up with the repubs is like throwing yourself under the bus.
Pretty much hit the nail on the head right there. If the Republican Party really stood for what they claim to, it might be different. But they don't.
 

Wotan31

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Why aren't there more gays in the republican party? Because other gays are holding them back or because republican policies are more detrimental to their financial and social well-being?
How is one party more detrimental to the financial and social well being of a person based on *race*? The gay thing is a partisan issue. Race and skin color is not.

Take any prominent black conservative. Colin Powell, Condi Rice, etc. Explain to us how have republican policies have been detrimental to their well being? I don't see it. If you asked them the same question, how do you think they would answer?
 

Wotan31

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Because the party is run by rich racist old white folks that don't give a **** about anything but getting richer?
Change "white" to "black" and I think you just described Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.

And Bush Jr. appointed more African Americans to high ranking government positions than ANY previous president. Is that what a racist would do? Your silly statements only reinforce the narrow minded stereotypes about liberals.
 

Macky-Mac

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How is one party more detrimental to the financial and social well being of a person based on race? The gay thing is a partisan issue. Race and skin color is not.

Take any prominent black conservative. Colin Powell, Condi Rice, etc. Explain to us how have republican policies have been detrimental to their well being? I don't see it. If you asked them the same question, how do you think they would answer?
they would probably point you to the civil rights movement of the 60's. Prior to that there was a lot of support for the republicans from blacks. That vanished when the republicans aligned themselves with southern democrats to oppose civil rights legislation. Blacks voters shifted heavily towards the democrats who favored civil rights legislation. The republicans then developed their "southern strategy" which was a direct appeal to white democrats who felt alienated from the party they had traditionally supported. That the republicans now have a stronghold in the south shows it worked quite well for them....for a while anyway. The downside of their strategy was to lose the support of blacks that had voted for the party of Lincoln.

As things stand, the republicans are still fighting the perception that they oppose civil rights
 

Zombie Acorn

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Your question is valid, but the answer you so desperately want, totally ignores the reality.

Why aren't there more gays in the republican party? Because other gays are holding them back or because republican policies are more detrimental to their financial and social well-being?

Duh! It's pretty easy to figure that one out and it doesn't take a whole lot to realize that conservative blacks are also better off with the Democrats. Joining up with the repubs is like throwing yourself under the bus.
How does this make sense? Gays aren't going to be republican because the party has religious intertwinings which tend to lean against gay marriage. The last I checked the Republican party wasn't rallying against black people on any issues.
 

tempusfugit

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It seems like the OP put some thought into posing this question, perhaps more thought than necessary given the obvious answer.

What reason do black people in general have to support the republicans? Would conservative politics resulted in the dismantling of Jim Crow? Would conservatism have served the black community well in Brown v. Board of Education?

Do politics which support free trade at any cost benefit a community of people's whose jobs will be lost, or have been lost as a direct result?

Does the black community benefit from a callous, hardline view on social programs funded by the government?

Conservatism seeks to main the status quo, and if Black people had been big fans of the status quo in the back in the 20th century god knows what kind of awful world we would live in.

Here's a good example of why black people don't like conservative white politicians: http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2009/10/louisiana-jp-says-he-wont-resign-over-interracial-marriage-issue.html



A better question for discussion would be "why are ANY black people republicans?"
 

Ugg

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It seems like the OP put some thought into posing this question, perhaps more thought than necessary given the obvious answer.

What reason do black people in general have to support the republicans? Would conservative politics resulted in the dismantling of Jim Crow? Would conservatism have served the black community well in Brown v. Board of Education?

Do politics which support free trade at any cost benefit a community of people's whose jobs will be lost, or have been lost as a direct result?

Does the black community benefit from a callous, hardline view on social programs funded by the government?

Conservatism seeks to main the status quo, and if Black people had been big fans of the status quo in the back in the 20th century god knows what kind of awful world we would live in.

Here's a good example of why black people don't like conservative white politicians: http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2009/10/louisiana-jp-says-he-wont-resign-over-interracial-marriage-issue.html



A better question for discussion would be "why are ANY black people republicans?"
However, zombies just don't get it...
 

Zombie Acorn

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It seems like the OP put some thought into posing this question, perhaps more thought than necessary given the obvious answer.

What reason do black people in general have to support the republicans? Would conservative politics resulted in the dismantling of Jim Crow? Would conservatism have served the black community well in Brown v. Board of Education?

Do politics which support free trade at any cost benefit a community of people's whose jobs will be lost, or have been lost as a direct result?

Does the black community benefit from a callous, hardline view on social programs funded by the government?

Conservatism seeks to main the status quo, and if Black people had been big fans of the status quo in the back in the 20th century god knows what kind of awful world we would live in.

Here's a good example of why black people don't like conservative white politicians: http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2009/10/louisiana-jp-says-he-wont-resign-over-interracial-marriage-issue.html



A better question for discussion would be "why are ANY black people republicans?"
If you think the status quo has been conservative ideals in any way shape or form you need to get your eyes checked. The status quo is heavy spending and big government, let's not get confused as to which set of ideals were the status quo while the financial collapse happened either. Seems big governmen didn't help to prevent it.
 

Zombie Acorn

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In some ways, yes. But if you're going to say that both parties are exactly the same, you're gonna have an argument on your hands. ;)
I think most politicians from both parties are about the same, they do what gets them elected instead of getting elected because of what they do. This is the problem with career politicians IMO.
 

zap2

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How does this make sense? Gays aren't going to be republican because the party has religious intertwinings which tend to lean against gay marriage. The last I checked the Republican party wasn't rallying against black people on any issues.
Look back a few years, the GOP has on the wrong side of the debate on civil rights. Not saying thats the only cause, but it could have left a bad taste in the mouth of some blacks.
 

leekohler

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Look back a few years, the GOP has on the wrong side of the debate on civil rights. Not saying thats the only cause, but it could have left a bad taste in the mouth of some blacks.
The GOP has been on the wrong side of civil rights issues for quite some time.
 

Rt&Dzine

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The GOP has been on the wrong side of civil rights issues for quite some time.
Interestingly enough, the 1964 Civil Rights Act was more North vs. South, rather than Democrat vs. Republican. Of course, many of the southern democrats from those times are more like the republicans of today.
 

Zombie Acorn

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Look back a few years, the GOP has on the wrong side of the debate on civil rights. Not saying thats the only cause, but it could have left a bad taste in the mouth of some blacks.
The GOP has been on the wrong side of civil rights issues for quite some time.
Do we have any specific issues/dates? I don't recall anything in recent years that has caught my eye.

If we are talking about decades ago I don't think that fully explains why blacks in my generation are largely democrat.
 

MyDesktopBroke

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Barack the magic negro? Rusty DePass? Diane Black? Dean Grose? Obama bucks?

It doesn't matter if none of these were from Congress or a GOP Governor, it perpetuates the idea that there are a lot of racists in the Republican party.

Also, the people who held the racist signs at every town hall meeting or tea bag event probably don't help. It doesn't even matter if those people don't represent the the majority of the party. If you see a crowd of people and the person at the center is holding a sign saying Obama is an uppity African Muslim witch doctor Nazi, it makes all the people around him or her look like a racist as well.

I'm not saying it makes %100 sense.