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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by skunk, Dec 27, 2006.
I think this is where the article goes fundamentally wrong. U.S. policy in the ME? Based on a premise? Someone is giving someone else a little too much credit. Considering the administration's motive is like doing psychoanalysis of why a three-year-old snatched candy out of her playmate's hands. You might get an "answer" but its ultimate value to you will be nill.
Makes me think the same guys printing this stuff up were the ones telling the President they had WMDs Cheney /Bush were so informed about things in Iraq and yet they didnt have 1 person on the ground in the whole country Im convinced Washington's beauracracy doesnt even care. Stay the course because this president is never is wrong. I dont think they care they dont know what the facts are.
Well ****. Now I don't know what to believe.
If it's true, then how could our esteemed leaders possibly **** up so huge?
If it's not true, then where the hell are these numbers coming from and what the hell is going on over there?
I'd say we have a literal SNAFU here. Situtation Normal: All ****ed Up.
It certainly would explain the scale of the "insurgency".
Is there a difference between a Iraqi and a Insurgent?
have you been able to verify these numbers?
a quick look around on google didn't turn up anybody else claiming these numbers.....or is this simply another case of the great international conspiricy keeping a really tight control on things?
There has to be. "insurgents" stock pile weapons and use them against fellow iraqis and american troops, regular citizens do not.
Whose definition are you relying on? I expect most Iraqis have a weapon for personal defence. When does this change into an insurgent's weapon?
The links are in the article, but I have not checked them, as my Arabic is a bit rusty. The second one does not seem to work.
oh well.......since these numbers don't match up with anything found in any standard reference sources it seemed worth looking into.....but after some more hunting around I was unable to find anything to support these numbers.
I did find a National Public Radio, Morning Edition report from Dec 21. The report is about Sunni leadership issues in iraq and toward the end is the following;
"...But the Sunni have failed to articulate what they stand for and what role they see for themselves in post-Saddam Iraq. Many Sunnis still claim that they are the majority in the country even though all estimates say they make up, at most, 20 percent of the population...."
so it seems that your article may simply be a reflection of that view
the NPR report is at;
anyway, one very obvious problem with the Ziada article is that in order to make his claim he has to assume that ALL eligible voters who didn't vote, must have been Sunni.
Interesting indeed, although the possible massive electoral fraud is hardly a revelation. If it happens in long-established "democracies" such as the US and UK, you can't expect it to be any better where elections are a new thing.
That means all of the US gun owners are insurgents... woohoo...
Don't remember the wild days of the year 2000 eh? Florida, Ohio, what's next?
Not really. To be fair, he did say that not only did you have to stockpile weapons, but you had to use them against your neighbors to qualify as an insurgent.
Not many US gun owners attack their neighbors with their guns. Sure a few do, but a small percentage of the overall owning crowd.