Wife in active labor? Drive slowly.

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    Ehhhh. I'm kinda wanting to call shenanigans on this one, mainly because...

    ...no. That didn't happen.

    This is a he said-she said scenario. When you have two people telling two entirely different stories, where each claims to have acted "calmly and rationally" while portraying the other guy as some rabid, gung-ho ***hole, it's all BS.
     
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    Yeah, this story sounds pretty bogus to me from Taylor's side. So, did the officer happen to come across one of those very few people who do home births? Why did Taylor speed to his house if he suspected his wife was in labor? If you jump out of your car at a traffic stop, I fully expect a gun will be drawn on you. Is there no dash cam footage of any of this?
     
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    Woman in active labor phoned husband at work to drive her to the hospital. Nothing unusual about that. Very ordinary with the exception of the gun.

    In the world of the normals that situation often gets a police escort to expedite. The lady delivered that day.
     
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    In my world of the normals the individuals involved call an ambulance for medical assistance. The husband can meet her at the hospital. Nobody's life is in danger from a complicated delivery, a speeding husband or a police pursuit.
     
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    Wow. A civil suit and a petition. If he's lying, he's running with it, that's for sure.
     
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    "Samuel Taylor says he didn’t immediately pull over after the police officer flashed his lights. Instead Taylor says he put on his hazard lights, pulled to the shoulder lane and slowly kept going until he reached his home."

    Granted I have only been pulled over by US police once but it probably gets off to a better start if you stop straight away.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/dad-police-officer-pulled-gun-traffic-stop/story?id=27647407
     
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    I'd have thought you'd just keep quiet if you were lying.
     
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    He is upset. We don't usually think that a father being available to drive his wife to the hospital to deliver is a dangerous criminal even if he does do 38 MPH in a 25 zone.

    He is young and does not yet seem to be aware that the police in his community are known for aggressive policing. My community shares a boundary with Cleveland Heights. I avoid that community because of the policing. Not worth the potential aggravation.

    As an old OB nurse I can tell you that his behavior was not at all unusual. He was concerned about his wife who was hospitalized two days prior. He had a normal human reaction. He endangered no one. Yes, he did exceed the speed limit. He did not try to contest that in any way.

    The police officer approaching the woman's home with gun drawn is over the line. She was not in the car. Why intimidate her?

    The poster who thinks the husband or wife should have called an ambulance puzzles me. Only the woman would know if she needed an ambulance.

    Why are the cops on their muscle? We are not their enemies. Making the month is important in that line of work, I guess but some discretions would go a long way in having a better relationship between the police and the communities they serve.

    FWIW The Cleveland Heights Police Academy trained Timothy Loehmann, Tamir Rice shooter. Loehmann was dismissed/resigned from Independence Police Department the day after he graduated the academy.
     
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    Someone speeding is dangerous. It doesn't matter why. He was endangering his life and everyone else on and around the road. There are trained emergency services a phone call away to review and take people to hospital who need medical attention.

    No matter how hard I try I cannot parse this paragraph. Who is "the woman" to whom you are referring?
     
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    Is anyone here not understanding the mindset of the guy? Not really, I think everyone understands his mindset.

    But, it doesn't excuse his actions most likely of not stopping immediately and then getting out of the car without being told to and walking/running/whatever towards the cop. The cop saw an unbalanced guy heading towards him without knowing the backstory (not his fault). Of course he is going to pull his weapon.

    Everyone needs to calm down. Yes tension with the police is high right now, but this is a story purposely trying to stir more anger towards the police where it is not warranted, IMHO.
     
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    Only one woman in this story. The pregnant woman. She delivered that day.
     
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    It's no use. You won't get through. You have now become a right-winged police protector. I've tried...

    They cover their eyes and ears and scream "Police are out of control!" ;)
     
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    It is? I don't think there is much evidence at all that speeding per say is dangerous, given how many drivers do it so regularly.

    The reason you have low speed limits in towns is in case a kid steps out in the road without looking, which is perfectly valid, but also pretty unlikely, and if people with medical emergencies are going a bit too fast it's not a big deal. Besides it frees up ambulances to do important medical care where the medical equipment in the ambulance is important.

    I also suspect if you live in the countryside and have a decent car then you'll be able to get to the hospital faster than an ambulance as ambulances aren't usually that quick and they accelerate poorly.

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    I would expect the police to not charge anyone for speeding (unless they were going grossly over the speed limit) for the birth of their child or another serious medical issue.

    As soon as this guy said to the policemen that his wife was giving birth the policeman should have said good luck sir, perhaps taken his details in case it wasn't true, and got back in his car and driven off.

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    The police in the US are out of control, they are killing 1000 suspects a year.

    You're probably more likely to die at the hands of a stranger in blue than a stranger member of the public, as most people are killed by people they know. EDIT: There are 15,000 homocides a year, of which about 3,300 are caused by strangers. So you're about 1/3 as likely to be killed by police as to suffer a homocide from a stranger - source.

    This is a case where you use professional judgement and let the guy off.
     
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    These days, you can never tell. Sometimes people can push the point to ridiculous extremes even when they know they're wrong. Sometimes to punish the person who, in their mind, embarrassed or inconvenienced them, and sometimes just because they're sore losers.

    Petty people will do petty things just because they can. They don't need a reason or righteous cause.

    That's not to say that's what this guy is doing. He could be entirely right for all we know. But the mere fact he's going to lengths isn't proof in and of itself he's telling the truth.
     
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    Me neither. I would expect the cop to let him go or even escort the guy to the wife/hospital.

    While right now it is a he said she said situation, I find the cops story more plausible. The guy didn't stop immediately and then when he did, he got out of the car in an angry rant without being told to. Right now you're believing the guys side where the cop approached him with the gun already drawn and he got out to clear up the situation( still not smart of him).

    I understand the guys mindset. He is in a panic with his wife in labor. But it doesn't excuse what most likely actually happened. Because of what he did, it delayed him further to getting to his wife. He should have stopped immediately, wait in the car, and when the cop approached explain his wife is in labor.
     
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    I think most likely is that the cop had been following for a while as per the police story and he hadn't noticed due to the circumstances, that when he stopped the cop got his gun out when he got out of his car so he could explain himself and he then got angry when the policeman didn't immediately let him go (as he'd taken ages to pull over), so yeah that seems to side mostly with the police's story.
     
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    I'm inclined to agree with you. Since that didn't happen Sam Taylor would be well advised to let this matter drop. The family lives in that community. Authorities can make their lives difficult.

    Actually, if I was Taylor I would send a written apology or make a personal visit to the police station and make amends. He does not have to believe that the officer behaved properly. It's OK to cross his fingers behind his back while making amends. They have the power. Taylor does not.

    Prepping the house for sale would cross my mind too.

    It is what it is.
     
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    Even Oscar Wilde did it. So it's not a new thing ;). I do take your point though.

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    I think apologies on both sides would be best, the policeman should apologise for not letting him go when it was clear his wife was actually giving birth, and Taylor should apologise for not pulling over straight away, and being a bit of an overly aggressive twat.
     
  20. SusanK thread starter macrumors 68000

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    I am in complete agreement with you. I'm also a pragmatist. Mutual apologies will not happen. It doesn't work that way in this area.
     
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    That's sad :(.
     
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    Only in the US haha. Been pulled over a few hundred times, gotten out of the car loads of times, most of those times pissed as hell, and I never got shot. Beaten sure, but never shot. Clearly, deescalation is not something they teach to Police officers in the US.
     

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