Will the island territories become states?

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    Will the island territories become states?

    Right now the territories have almost no say in Congress (this is the lawmaking ability PR has). This basically makes the territories 2nd class citizens, ignored by candidates but suffer the results of other groups voting.

    Over the years PR's desire for full statehood has increased (more here), and I can image the other islands want more say. Here is a post Maria opinion.

    PR and VI (and Navassa) being the Caribbean states?

    What about Guam, Samoa, and the dozen other islands? The Pacific states?
    Update: there is already a grouping. United States Minor Outlying Islands

    It would be fight in congress for this to even get close.

    All US territories.
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/US_insular_areas.svg
     
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    I don’t think Congress will go along with it, it would risk upsetting the balance of power in the Senate. The only way it is happening is if there are two territories that both want statehood at the same time and lean opposite ways politically, then some sort of compromise might be reached.
     
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    Should require them to balance their budgets and cover all debts and then sure. Also they will need to pay federal income tax.
     
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    Not like its balanced now.

    Of course.
     
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    PR has voted over and over not to become a state.

    Why buy the cow, when you can get the milk for free.
     
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    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...eme_court_decisions_that_cemented_puerto.html

     
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    That started to shift in 2012.

    Now it is almost unanimous for statehood.
     
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    Four words that sparked the entire American Revolution:

    No. Taxation. Without. Representation.

    From Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_voting_rights_in_Puerto_Rico

    They can vote on procedural matters, and send delegates to their respective party's conventions, but that is it. They can not elect someone to Congress. They can not vote for POTUS.

    Nor can Guam. Nor can USVI. Nor can American Samoa.

    So yes, the shift to move towards statehood definitely started to occur around 2012. And it appears that others may want this as well. But it helps to relearn the intricacies of government regarding US Territories before painting them with such broad brushes.

    BL.
     
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    A majority-Republican Congress will just stall on it until climate change moots "the problem" of island territories. But of course it's possible that by then Florida and at least the barrier islands of ocean-facing states farther north may also have become merely treacherous shallows as well.

    So maybe before then there won't be a majority-Republican Congress. And maybe then we can get on to figuring out how a flag with more stars on it should have its blue field designed. Would be nice if we did that before we have to decide whether to take stars off as existing states find watery graves.
     
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    They'll pay when the become a state. No taxation without representation, remember?;)

    Anyhow, yarp. They're bankrupt, deeper in the red than most nations, except the US. But unlike the States, they can't print new money and say it has value because the Gub'ment said so. I doubt they can dig their way out of debt, since the most capable Puerto Ricans move to the States to find work. If they can get someone smart to run their tourism service, they have chance of bringing in outside money.
     
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    Unfortunately they forgot to write in the constitution. I am not sure - but I recall reading that Puerto Ricans don’t really pay Federal Taxes, at least not as people in the 50 states do, unless their income is from a different country.
     

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