Will you buy MBP in 2018 or wait for intel to deliver ice lake on time? (Was intel punctual lately?)

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  1. KensaiMage macrumors regular

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    As for me, I will not wait any longer, how about you?
     
  2. Mackinjosh macrumors 6502a

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    I'll wait as long as it takes for Apple to fix their lousy keyboard design.
     
  3. KensaiMage thread starter macrumors regular

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    Well let's say they fix it and another problem appears, what then? There are no perfect things in this world.
     
  4. maerz001 macrumors 6502a

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    Really? Seeing your posts in the last months for iMac MB MBP iPad ;)

    Congratulations. What will you buy?
     
  5. Samuelsan2001 macrumors 604

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    Intel aren't worth waiting for once the quad 28watts are out for the 13 and the hex core for the 15 are used the gains will be marginal for years
     
  6. Ries macrumors 68000

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    Icelake/cannonlake + better keyboard or until my 2011 dies.
     
  7. afir93 macrumors 6502a

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    Not an expert on the topic of upcoming CPUs but seeing how Intel had to delay Cannonlake alone for at least 3 (!) years, I really wouldn't put too much faith in Icelake being delivered in the release window that we are currently told.
     
  8. maflynn Moderator

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    What does ice lake give me that would tempt me to wait?
     
  9. bluecoast macrumors 6502a

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    I'd buy whatever is announced at WWDC by Apple (keyboard repairabliity issues being a massive caveat).

    I don't think that you're going to see any massive leaps between generations for every day use at this stage of x86 and Intel's roadmap keeps on slipping anyway.
     
  10. maflynn Moderator

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    My 2012 model still performs quite well, so I agree, I'm not seeing much advantages in waiting for a specific chipset. There are other factors that will drive the purchase decision.
     
  11. Falhófnir macrumors 68010

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    I would have waited for ice lake but that’s now pretty much not happening in 2019, so idk, might wait to see what 2020 brings...
    --- Post Merged, May 10, 2018 ---
    For me it’s the much better battery life that comes with a die shrink. Obviously that’s negated for heavy users anyway as pushing such a machine will drain the battery extremely quickly either way...
     
  12. maflynn Moderator

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    ARM based Macs ;)

    In all seriousness this is why I beleive we'll see a minor update in 2018. I do beleive those rumors and apple isn't going to invest in a major design with a platform change impending. With more and more intel delays it makes the ARM rumor more and more believable as well.
     
  13. Falhófnir macrumors 68010

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    I’m probably happy enough with ARM as long as the other rumour about the touch-keyboard doesn’t come to pass!
     
  14. maflynn Moderator

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    I was wholly against the migration when it was idle chatter he, even before the rumors. Now not so much, but it all depends on the apps.
    Will Lightroom CC classic run on it, or will I be less featured lightroom cc run? Will gotomypc run on it with the same degree of functionality and power?

    In the end, will the apps I need run, and so to bring this back around on the topic, I think I'd rather get what apple releases in 2018 then continue waiting as that serves my needs better - provided the keyboard is not an issue
     
  15. Falhófnir macrumors 68010

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    I guess I’m pretty lucky as I work with only the user-facing side of software, so intel or ARM is a non-issue to me (though I fully appreciate that for some people it is a big deal and a real pain). I only really need a browser and a reasonably widely compatible word processor (and a file system) to work with, I think just about everything else can be completed online. Overall for me the MBP is a real indulgence, but hey you only live once!
     
  16. hajime, May 10, 2018
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    I guess there are three factors:

    1. Apple has been spending too much time and effort on iOS devices especially the iPhone.
    2. Apple is crazy about making super thin devices. They cannot make things any thinner without getting bent (apple new keyboard for example)
    3. They are preparing for the ARM based MBP. MBP to be sold in 2018-19 will become obsolete in 2020.

    After saying with Apple for so many years, Apple really scre*ed up my professional life by deciding to drop Nvidia GPU and continuing to make under power thin MBP with bad keyboards.

    Time to go Hackintosh until at least the current management is changed.
     
  17. maflynn Moderator

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    No they've not spend too much time and effort, they've focused their attention on their most profitable product.

    Nothing has been confirmed, its still just a rumor.

    you're better off going to windows, hackintoshes are not a good long term business decision imo
     
  18. Hitrate macrumors 6502

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    U guys know u can get thin silicone covers for the keyboard right? Maybe that’ll get rid of most issues like noise and bread crumbs......
     
  19. bluecoast macrumors 6502a

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    There was a great Monday Note recently by former Apple Exec, Jean-Louis Gassée.

    He was talking about the possibility of Mac ARM desktops and made the point that up to now, the Apple A chips have been optimised around power efficiency.

    He then asked us to imagine what Apple’s chip team can do when power is prioritised over power efficiency in a case that can handle greater thermals than current iOS devices.

    He had no doubt that Apple can produce compelling Pro class ARM Macs.

    And this is from someone who is VERY well connected.

    Already last year’s iPad Pro is approaching the same year’s entry level MBP regarding performance. I think that this year’s is likely to be approaching a mid-range pro laptop.

    Then imagine if Apple makes a chipset that has a bit more speed vs efficiency along with bigger batteries. Well, you’ve arrived at a laptop.

    Then imsgine the advances of the A class processors pro level graphics performance plus the ability to plug in a eGPU when you need to.

    Then imagine that by 2019 the ‘marzipan’ project is live and with it the ability to easily compile applications targeting ARM.

    Personally, I think that the ARM Macs are going to be Apple’s best ever Macs. These things are going to be powerful with astonishing battery life on laptops

    We’ll wonder why we were worried about moving away from Intel (just like the move away from the G5).
     
  20. leman macrumors G3

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    I will decide based on the advantages for my workflow... I will most likely get the 2018 refresh, but then also upgrade to the Ice lake model if the performance advantages are noticeable. Which they probably will be.
     
  21. Fishrrman macrumors G5

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    Heh.
    The 2018 models aren't even announced yet -- not even "sound rumors" -- and already folks are agonizing over waiting for the 2019's... !!!! ;)
     
  22. stockscalper macrumors 6502a

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    I thought Apple was ditching Intel, so you may have a long wait.

    The way I see it, if you need a computer now and the current ones meet your needs, buy it. There'a always going to be a "better", faster one on the horizon. If you wait for the ultimate laptop you'll never have one.
     
  23. Ries macrumors 68000

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    Your suggestion just underlines how a colossal a failure the new keyboard is. It's like wrapping your new sofa in black plastic because the fabric tears from sitting in it...
     
  24. jerryk macrumors 68040

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    That is a great analogy.

    But, I know people that have every chair and sofa in their living room covered with clear "custom-made" covers.
     
  25. ET iPhone Home macrumors 68040

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    Is the 2018 out already? Has the keyboard issue been fixed on the 2018? I'm ready to buy if this is the case.
     

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