Will you buy MBP in 2018 or wait for intel to deliver ice lake on time? (Was intel punctual lately?)

afir93

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Not an expert on the topic of upcoming CPUs but seeing how Intel had to delay Cannonlake alone for at least 3 (!) years, I really wouldn't put too much faith in Icelake being delivered in the release window that we are currently told.
 

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I'd buy whatever is announced at WWDC by Apple (keyboard repairabliity issues being a massive caveat).

I don't think that you're going to see any massive leaps between generations for every day use at this stage of x86 and Intel's roadmap keeps on slipping anyway.
 
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I don't think that you're going to see any massive leaps between generations for every day use at this stage of x86 and Intel's roadmap keeps on slipping anyway.
My 2012 model still performs quite well, so I agree, I'm not seeing much advantages in waiting for a specific chipset. There are other factors that will drive the purchase decision.
 
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Falhófnir

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I would have waited for ice lake but that’s now pretty much not happening in 2019, so idk, might wait to see what 2020 brings...
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What does ice lake give me that would tempt me to wait?
For me it’s the much better battery life that comes with a die shrink. Obviously that’s negated for heavy users anyway as pushing such a machine will drain the battery extremely quickly either way...
 

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ARM based Macs ;)

In all seriousness this is why I beleive we'll see a minor update in 2018. I do beleive those rumors and apple isn't going to invest in a major design with a platform change impending. With more and more intel delays it makes the ARM rumor more and more believable as well.
I’m probably happy enough with ARM as long as the other rumour about the touch-keyboard doesn’t come to pass!
 
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I’m probably happy enough with ARM as long as the other rumour about the touch-keyboard doesn’t come to pass!
I was wholly against the migration when it was idle chatter he, even before the rumors. Now not so much, but it all depends on the apps.
Will Lightroom CC classic run on it, or will I be less featured lightroom cc run? Will gotomypc run on it with the same degree of functionality and power?

In the end, will the apps I need run, and so to bring this back around on the topic, I think I'd rather get what apple releases in 2018 then continue waiting as that serves my needs better - provided the keyboard is not an issue
 

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I was wholly against the migration when it was idle chatter he, even before the rumors. Now not so much, but it all depends on the apps.
Will Lightroom CC classic run on it, or will I be less featured lightroom cc run? Will gotomypc run on it with the same degree of functionality and power?

In the end, will the apps I need run, and so to bring this back around on the topic, I think I'd rather get what apple releases in 2018 then continue waiting as that serves my needs better - provided the keyboard is not an issue
I guess I’m pretty lucky as I work with only the user-facing side of software, so intel or ARM is a non-issue to me (though I fully appreciate that for some people it is a big deal and a real pain). I only really need a browser and a reasonably widely compatible word processor (and a file system) to work with, I think just about everything else can be completed online. Overall for me the MBP is a real indulgence, but hey you only live once!
 

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ARM based Macs ;)

In all seriousness this is why I beleive we'll see a minor update in 2018. I do beleive those rumors and apple isn't going to invest in a major design with a platform change impending. With more and more intel delays it makes the ARM rumor more and more believable as well.
I guess there are three factors:

1. Apple has been spending too much time and effort on iOS devices especially the iPhone.
2. Apple is crazy about making super thin devices. They cannot make things any thinner without getting bent (apple new keyboard for example)
3. They are preparing for the ARM based MBP. MBP to be sold in 2018-19 will become obsolete in 2020.

After saying with Apple for so many years, Apple really scre*ed up my professional life by deciding to drop Nvidia GPU and continuing to make under power thin MBP with bad keyboards.

Time to go Hackintosh until at least the current management is changed.
 
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1. Apple has been spending too much time and effort on iOS devices especially the iPhone.
No they've not spend too much time and effort, they've focused their attention on their most profitable product.

They are preparing for the ARM based MBP. MBP to be sold in 2018-19 will become obsolete in 2020.
Nothing has been confirmed, its still just a rumor.

Time to go Hackintosh until at least the current management is changed.
you're better off going to windows, hackintoshes are not a good long term business decision imo
 

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U guys know u can get thin silicone covers for the keyboard right? Maybe that’ll get rid of most issues like noise and bread crumbs......
 

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There was a great Monday Note recently by former Apple Exec, Jean-Louis Gassée.

He was talking about the possibility of Mac ARM desktops and made the point that up to now, the Apple A chips have been optimised around power efficiency.

He then asked us to imagine what Apple’s chip team can do when power is prioritised over power efficiency in a case that can handle greater thermals than current iOS devices.

He had no doubt that Apple can produce compelling Pro class ARM Macs.

And this is from someone who is VERY well connected.

Already last year’s iPad Pro is approaching the same year’s entry level MBP regarding performance. I think that this year’s is likely to be approaching a mid-range pro laptop.

Then imagine if Apple makes a chipset that has a bit more speed vs efficiency along with bigger batteries. Well, you’ve arrived at a laptop.

Then imsgine the advances of the A class processors pro level graphics performance plus the ability to plug in a eGPU when you need to.

Then imagine that by 2019 the ‘marzipan’ project is live and with it the ability to easily compile applications targeting ARM.

Personally, I think that the ARM Macs are going to be Apple’s best ever Macs. These things are going to be powerful with astonishing battery life on laptops

We’ll wonder why we were worried about moving away from Intel (just like the move away from the G5).
 
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leman

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I will decide based on the advantages for my workflow... I will most likely get the 2018 refresh, but then also upgrade to the Ice lake model if the performance advantages are noticeable. Which they probably will be.
 

Fishrrman

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Heh.
The 2018 models aren't even announced yet -- not even "sound rumors" -- and already folks are agonizing over waiting for the 2019's... !!!! ;)
 
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U guys know u can get thin silicone covers for the keyboard right? Maybe that’ll get rid of most issues like noise and bread crumbs......
Your suggestion just underlines how a colossal a failure the new keyboard is. It's like wrapping your new sofa in black plastic because the fabric tears from sitting in it...
 

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Your suggestion just underlines how a colossal a failure the new keyboard is. It's like wrapping your new sofa in black plastic because the fabric tears from sitting in it...
That is a great analogy.

But, I know people that have every chair and sofa in their living room covered with clear "custom-made" covers.
 
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