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Discussion in 'General Mac Discussion' started by CubaTBird, Aug 17, 2004.
I was browsing threads at hard ocp and stumbled across this.
Heh, no, they probably mean IBM PPC computers. Macs have ROM and stuff that makes them unable to run most OS's without lots of work.
Yes, back in the clone days Apple was designing computers for everybody else to make money with and IBM's version of the machine ran Windows NT for PPC, and the PowerPC Platforms future looked bright.
Then Microsoft killed Windows NT for PPC and Apple killed the clones soon afterwards, and the PPC Platform stagnated until the PPC970 was released.
Now the platform is once again growing.
NO! Don't do it! Don't install it! Don't ruin a beautiful Mac with a horrible Spyware infected Operating System!
Tell that to whoever had the disc. And if anyone else out there had a Windows disc that is claimed to install on a PowerPc processor, well, look at my first paragraph.
Or maybe it's saying that it can be installed on a PowerPC processor running inside an IBM computer. Actully, that is most likely.
Duff-Man says...ancient history....oh yeah!
nope that is definitly saying ppc computer. Meaning a regular old mac.
Ahhh! This is bad! Don't let them install it!
Uh PowerPC is both an instruction set and a line of processors, but it is NOT a computer.
Duff-Man says....I can confirm what Slughead has said....this NT version never did and never will install on a "regular mac." It was made for IBM's PowerPC computers - different beasts than Apple's PowerPC based Macintosh computers....nothing to see here folks...old stuff that someone digs out once in a blue moon....oh yeah!
I have one of those CDs somewhere and can confirm that it doesn't work on a Mac. Notice that it says 'Windows NT-compatible PowerPC,' not just 'PowerPC.'
Yes i know. THats why i said old mac. Some of the older macs came with a special card that made it compatable with this nt version
Windows NT was developed for PPC-based PReP computers, the precursor to CHRP. CHRP was the PPC standard developed by the AIM consortium that was intended to run MacOS, OS/2, Windows NT, and Solaris. IBM's port of OS/2 for PPC was killed before it ever made it to market. Microsoft's port of WinNT 3.5.1 made it to market. Motorola sold PPC computers that ran WinNT. IIRC, no commercial version of NT was ever installed on Macs. I have no memory of PPC-based WinNT computer from IBM. I have memory only of AIX-based RS/6000 workstations that used the PPC 601 and PPC 604/604e. And, of course, Microsoft killed the PPC version of WinNT because Apple and IBM would not pay for the development of the OS. NT had been a cross-platform OS. Following its decision to stop development of the PPC version of NT, Microsoft optimized the OS for Intel and dropped development on other platforms.
Wasn't there a version of MS-DOS that ran on the Mac? I remember back about 7-8 years ago in Middle school, we had a lot of Mac's that booted up between OS 8 and DOS and I *think* Windows 3.11
At my year 1-6 school (down here in Victoria, Australia, our education system is different), we had an old Mac in the library that would switch to Windows 95 if you hit a particular key combo. A quick check in the Mac OS control panels revealed that it had a DOS card.
After mousing around in Winows 95 for a while, I got bored and switched back to Mac OS.
What's scarrier, Windows running on a Mac or OS X running on a PC?
Most likely, the Quadra 630/640 DOS Compatibile:
It's got nothing to do with a special MS-DOS version. It shipped with a PC Compatibility card.
Windows NT 4.0 shipped with several CPU supporting kernels, MIPS, PPC, I386 and Alpha.
I beleive that Umax made a powerpc system that ran this paticular version of NT4.0
Yeah, we had an old IBM RS/5000 or RS/6000 running NT 4.0. And from what I understand the Alpha line of computers were screamingly fast compared to x86, but they never took off.
I thought it was supposed to run on the Common Hardware Reference Platform (CHRP) now known as the PowerPC Platform.
These were the new world ROM machines that ran ROM-in-RAM and didn't need Apple ROMs anymore.
These were also the Apple clones that were just about to be released when Apple **** canned them, along with the G3 CHRP machines.
you're probably thinking of the dos card, which would make it run the x86 version of windows nt. the ppc version ran on ibm's rs/6000 machines.
Alpha is, not was, a processor line. The people who own them swear by Alpha-based computers. Many people who don't have them, want them. The problem with Alpha is not that it never took off. It took off quite nicely, thank you. My employer's enterprise computing runs on an Alpha-based cluster. The problem with Alpha has to do with corporate politics. Alpha was developed by DEC. It was primarily a mid-range processor, but not exclusively. One of my former supervisors bought several Alpha-based DEC pizza boxes running Win NT.
When Compaq bought-out DEC, the Alpha lost its champion. Still, Compaq continued to sell DEC's midrange Alpha-based mid-range computers. Compaq developed a UNIX workstation based on Alpha. I have one. IIRC, the Alpha was sold to Intel. Then, Compaq was bought-out by HP, which had its own RISC processor, the HP-PA. HP was also a partner in the development of Intel's Itanium. No, the Alpha took-off quite nicely. The problem is that it was shot down by its own parents.
yes that is wut i was thinking. Whoopps. Brain fart!
Yeah the Alpha was the only non-x86 on which Windows had a little bit of succes. I have a Windows 2000 RC1 cd for Alpha lying around here somewhere. 2000 for Alpha got cancelled right before it would have been released.
Funny thing: yesterday while installing windows 2000 on a computer at work, I was reading the (dutch translation) quick start manual. It mentions the Alpha version. They must have forgotten to take that out. A real pity it never got out of beta.
I also got an alphastation. I really want to try it out some time. Not really useful but great novelty value.
The big news to us is that the XBOX 2 SDK has been seeded to developers on dual Apple Power Mac G5 systems running a custom Windows NT Kernel.
There is even a newer kernel than that
And this matters how? The Xbox development system's host OS is not a commercial product. It most likely does not include the embedded version of SoftWindows that allowed the PPC port of NT to run Intel binaries. There are no recent commercial PPC binaries for NT. If you are an Xbox games developer, then this is the OS for you. Otherwise, move along. There is nothing to see here.