Windows Vista is a disgrace... literally.

[ayeying]

Okay, so this might just be a little rant... so I'm just gonna throw it out here.

I've been using Windows Vista x64 Business for a while now. So far, everything's good. However, with all Windows versions I've used, the longer you use it, the slower it gets, even with all the registry defrags, clean up, virus scan, whatnot. So Vista running nicely on my new MBP when I installed it. Fast, quick, very speedy even with Aero. Without doing much, just doing regular weekly maintenance it starts getting SLOWER and SLOWER. Its right now at the point where during boot up, it'll stall for about 1 minute before finishing booting up.

Normally, I wouldn't care about a bad OS, i'd just switch to another. However, I actually bought this copy. I paid for this damned OS that won't do what I want without a format every 3 weeks... literally.

My company supplied me with a XP Pro disk that I've seriously considering going back to. But that's not the problem. I feel like I got ripped off paying 200 bucks here. It's not I can return the disk or sell it since the CD key's in use and no one would buy it.

Even on my new Dell Inspiron 1525 that I've bought for my uncle. He wanted vista, I installed it on there, SO SLOW. The specs aren't bad either, 2.0GHz C2D, 3GB Ram, 250GB HDD.

So ya. I'm done ranting. Gonna format back to XP Pro later today.

 

[mcarnes]

windoze sucks, macs rule

 

[0098386]

No sir I don't like Vista. I don't like the performance cut in games (which is all I use Windows for). Went back to XP and haven't looked at Vista since, except for testing SP1.

XP, dare I say, is the Windows mutts nuts.

 

[Melrose]

This is news?

Windows ime just degenerates the longer you use it - we bought a Dell with XP and within a year of use (not tough use, and as you say w regular cleanups and all that good stuff that you DON'T have to do on a Mac) simple system functions just cease to function, the biggest one is that the computer will not shut down on it's own you have to press and hold the button (this has happened on every Windwos puter we've owned) and ad infinitum.

Sucks you shelled out some big bucks for such a pos. I feel your pain: We bought a computer from Dell that shipped with a faulty license key on it and neither Dell nor M$ would help us. Lovely.

 

[Abstract]

I haven't used Windows in so long I don't even know why I hate it anymore.

Sometimes, you need affirmation. This was it. I'm glad to be a Mac user, although I must say that other than the viruses and anti-virus software, subscriptions, etc, Windows XP wasn't horrible. It would have trouble shutting down, and I'd experience a system crash if I didn't shut down my computer for 2 or 3 days. However, when nothing was wrong, it was flawless. I haven't heard any of my Vista using friends say that Vista was wonderful, so I guess I'd go for XP again if I bought a netbook, or small laptop.

 

[0098386]

I've only got 1 friend who bravely enough stuck to Vista, only he formats it once a month since it starts to slow much quicker than XP.
Personally I haven't kept Vista on for more than a few days so I wouldn't know.

 

[Surely]

One of the laptops at my office came loaded with Vista. It really is a bad OS. The machine has to be restarted daily in order to stop the spinning wheel of death from appearing.

Every time I want to open a program, even one that I've opened a bunch of times, it asks me if I should allow it to open.

Programs freeze up regularly, and the laptop has to be restarted in order to get them to work.

We've only had this laptop for 6 weeks!

POS.

 

[ayeying]

No sir I don't like Vista. I don't like the performance cut in games (which is all I use Windows for). Went back to XP and haven't looked at Vista since, except for testing SP1.

XP, dare I say, is the Windows mutts nuts.

Actually, for me, I found a speed increase when playing Assassin's Creed in Vista x64 then in XP Pro. I don't know why, its about a 5 fps apart too.

This is news?

Windows ime just degenerates the longer you use it - we bought a Dell with XP and within a year of use (not tough use, and as you say w regular cleanups and all that good stuff that you DON'T have to do on a Mac) simple system functions just cease to function, the biggest one is that the computer will not shut down on it's own you have to press and hold the button (this has happened on every Windwos puter we've owned) and ad infinitum.

Sucks you shelled out some big bucks for such a pos. I feel your pain: We bought a computer from Dell that shipped with a faulty license key on it and neither Dell nor M$ would help us. Lovely.

Yeah, I know windows will slow down no matter what after time. I've had that happen on my old Dell laptops running XP, my dad's virtual machine running XP, anything running Windows. Even the system I have at work is SO SLOW on a 3.0GHz P4 with 2GB ram and nothing on it except firefox and dreamweaver.

And I agree the most simple thing just decides not to run anymore... especialyl for me in Vista. The Boot Camp manager decides not to run but sometimes decides to run. And its not the program, its vista starting up those programs. Sometimes, it'll say its done loading when it completely missed loading so many start up programs. Othertimes, it'll load with no problem.

I've only got 1 friend who bravely enough stuck to Vista, only he formats it once a month since it starts to slow much quicker than XP.
Personally I haven't kept Vista on for more than a few days so I wouldn't know.

The idea of "Formatting" is a pain.

 

[jaw04005]

I had to turn off "System Restore" in Vista simply because it bogs down the system. It seemed to have sped things up quite a bit. You might try that.

 

[7on]

I don't know how people manage windows in Vista. On the Mac I can just click on the app in the dock and it brings all the windows to the front. On my Vista machine at work I have to make the taskbar about 250px tall and even then once the taskbar gets over 3 rows full of apps then I start getting out of memory errors and apps refuse to launch anymore windows.

I don't know if this is the norm, but on my Mac I can open pretty much all the apps on my computer with nothing more than a yawn from my Mac. For Vista it's like giving birth. '~'

 

[QuantumLo0p]

Vista seems okay for home use. I'd consider accepting if it came installed on a new pc.

Corporate adoption of Vista has not been going so well for Microsoft. It might be fine for basic office use but just about everyone I know working with big apps won't touch Vista with a 10 foot pole! It seems that bugs and compatibility issues are causing huge problems for certification of Vista for use with big apps.

Microsoft may still have the last laugh, concerning revenue. They stand to receive licensing fees from big customers, whether the customer uses Vista or waits for Windows 7, depending on the licensing agreements.

From that standpoint I have to say that I really hate Microsoft quite a lot. They charge for the server OS and charge for the client OS. Understandable. Then they charge for the user network licenses. Then they charge for Exchange licenses. Then they charge for a license to use AV with Exchange. Charge, charge, and more charges.

I wouldn't disapprove if it all worked seamlessly and reliably.

And if there were not compatibility issues.

And if there was not so many viruses.

And if hardware changes/upgrades were easier.

 

[devinci99]

hmmm

I use all kinds of O/Ses at work and home.

I run both leopard, vista, xp, and win2003 @ home. i dont really have this problem.. atleast i dont have any problem that i wouldnt have on a mac.

I just re-install both leopard and vista... vista because i decided to upgrade to ultimate, and rather do a clean/format. Mac because i accidentally install an old app for ppc and causing me some minor pain.

My 3 longest running system is leopard running on a ibook g4, and vista home premium x64 running on a media center box, and a windows2003 server. All are quite stable as far as the O/S; and last time i had a problem with a "pc" it ended up as a hardware problem.

So baffles me when people complains about vista, or leopard. I'm running both of them without any of these issues, and uptimes are as long as a year (without needing to reboot, or shutdown).

 

[SpookTheHamster]

I've had Vista on my iMac since RC1 and I don't mind it too much. It works for me, and that's all I could ask for.

 

[avingochea]

I haven't used Windows in so long I don't even know why I hate it anymore.

Sometimes, you need affirmation. This was it. I'm glad to be a Mac user, although I must say that other than the viruses and anti-virus software, subscriptions, etc, Windows XP wasn't horrible. It would have trouble shutting down, and I'd experience a system crash if I didn't shut down my computer for 2 or 3 days. However, when nothing was wrong, it was flawless. I haven't heard any of my Vista using friends say that Vista was wonderful, so I guess I'd go for XP again if I bought a netbook, or small laptop.

Lol "However, when nothing was wrong, it was flawless. "

However, However, when something WAS wrong.. It was flawed..

haha sorry just thought that was funny when i saw it

 

[ucfgrad93]

I just installed Vista Home Premium on my iMac a couple of days ago. Haven't used it that much, but it seems ok. It is not nearly as nice as OS X.

 

[Melrose]

For Vista it's like giving birth. '~'

Except after you give birth you've got something cuddly. You can't cuddle Windows.. I felt like throwing mine through the wall on numerous occasions.

 

[ayeying]

Vista seems okay for home use. I'd consider accepting if it came installed on a new pc.

Corporate adoption of Vista has not been going so well for Microsoft. It might be fine for basic office use but just about everyone I know working with big apps won't touch Vista with a 10 foot pole! It seems that bugs and compatibility issues are causing huge problems for certification of Vista for use with big apps.

Microsoft may still have the last laugh, concerning revenue. They stand to receive licensing fees from big customers, whether the customer uses Vista or waits for Windows 7, depending on the licensing agreements.

From that standpoint I have to say that I really hate Microsoft quite a lot. They charge for the server OS and charge for the client OS. Understandable. Then they charge for the user network licenses. Then they charge for Exchange licenses. Then they charge for a license to use AV with Exchange. Charge, charge, and more charges.

I wouldn't disapprove if it all worked seamlessly and reliably.

And if there were not compatibility issues.

And if there was not so many viruses.

And if hardware changes/upgrades were easier.

I know how to use Windows. I know how to use OSX. I know how to use Linux. Any OS, I'm fine with it only if it works. If it doesn't work, then theres a problem. Or if it works but its crippled and whatnot, then theres a problem. Thats what I feel like. Its like buying a brand new car, its shiny and pretty outside but the engine breaks every 10 miles. Thats what I feel about vista right now. I didn't have this many problems in XP.

I've had Vista on my iMac since RC1 and I don't mind it too much. It works for me, and that's all I could ask for.

I don't have anything against Vista or Windows or even microsoft. Its just stupid how they offer a product that doesn't entirely work and there's no fixes in sight. Microsoft's track record hasn't been that great and personally, if I could not use windows, I'd be in heaven because OSX, for my use, is perfect in many ways. Its stable, its still fast, even though I know theres crashes, pauses and such, its not as dramatic and not as frequent as windows.

Except after you give birth you've got something cuddly. You can't cuddle Windows.. I felt like throwing mine through the wall on numerous occasions.

Thats how I feel like when I boot into Vista right now. And its a native boot, not even virtual machine boot.

 

[7on]

Except after you give birth you've got something cuddly. You can't cuddle Windows.. I felt like throwing mine through the wall on numerous occasions.

Well, teenagers can be a pain

 

[Abstract]

Vista seems okay for home use. I'd consider accepting if it came installed on a new pc.

Corporate adoption of Vista has not been going so well for Microsoft. It might be fine for basic office use but just about everyone I know working with big apps won't touch Vista with a 10 foot pole! It seems that bugs and compatibility issues are causing huge problems for certification of Vista for use with big apps.

Microsoft may still have the last laugh, concerning revenue. They stand to receive licensing fees from big customers, whether the customer uses Vista or waits for Windows 7, depending on the licensing agreements.

From that standpoint I have to say that I really hate Microsoft quite a lot. They charge for the server OS and charge for the client OS. Understandable. Then they charge for the user network licenses. Then they charge for Exchange licenses. Then they charge for a license to use AV with Exchange. Charge, charge, and more charges.

I wouldn't disapprove if it all worked seamlessly and reliably.

And if there were not compatibility issues.

And if there was not so many viruses.

And if hardware changes/upgrades were easier.

My big gripe with Vista, which I admit I haven't used on a regular basis, is that from the sound of things, Vista isn't like XP with a few key improvements. No. Vista is like a completely different animal. When you upgrade, you get something so different from XP that it's not familiar. When I upgraded to Leopard, it was pretty much the same OS (in many ways). Even if OS X goes completely 64-bit, resolution independence, Grand Central, blah blah blah, I know that I'm going to be using something that I can pick up and use right away without even flinching.

The one exception has been how the Network settings are handled under System Preferences. That has changed a lot when going to Leopard. It was a bit of a pain familiarizing myself with it. When going from Panther to Tiger, it wasn't a problem.

Oh, and I don't find that shutting down is a necessity. Like I said, XP crashes if I leave my system running for 2-3 consecutive days. That, or it slows down. And like Melrose, I have had trouble shutting down my machine. It just won't shut down.

However, I think Windows gets too much flack for being bad. It isn't bad, particularly XP. However, I feel that by leaving 7 years between major changes means that moving to Vista requires a bit of a learning curve, particularly when you deal with people who aren't familiar with computers to begin with. Nobody likes to move away from a stable system when they don't think they'll see a practical benefit, whether you're a person or a corporation.




I'll admit that I actually suffered a kernel panic 3-4 days ago. It was my first one in years, and I was so surprised when it happened that I honestly thought to myself, "What did I do wrong? Is it a hardware issue? Should I send it in, or should I replace this thing now?" I was just so taken aback.

haha sorry just thought that was funny when i saw it

I hope so.

 

[0098386]

My big gripe with Vista, which I admit I haven't used on a regular basis, is that from the sound of things, Vista isn't like XP with a few key improvements. No. Vista is like a completely different animal. When you upgrade, you get something so different from XP that it's not familiar. When I upgraded to Leopard, it was pretty much the same OS (in many ways). Even if OS X goes completely 64-bit, resolution independence, Grand Central, blah blah blah, I know that I'm going to be using something that I can pick up and use right away without even flinching.

Same here. Even after 3 weeks total of using Vista - since I'm so used to XP I get lost quite often. Mostly I'm called down to fix networking and I don't like how they've moved all that around. Wish it wouldn't try to mix together regular folders (with a white background + tiled icons), with specialised folders (network settings) that don't operate in the same way... I know what I'm on about

Only time I ever had a Kernal panic was when I lost my PowerBooks Tiger DVD and tried installing my iMacs Tiger instead. Needless to say it wasn't happy with that so I went back to Panther until I found the DVD.

 

[BigHungry04]

I actually like Vista. I've had Vista Ultimate Edition since Vista came out. It was really slow on my Dell XPS Gen 2 laptop, but it scored better on the Vista Experience than most of the PCs for sale at Best Buy today. I had a printer that didn't work, but waited a few weeks for the drivers. That printer will not work in Leopard with drivers from the manufacturer or from Apple. I have to use open-source drivers, and even then it won't print in color. Oh well. I remember XP not working with anything at all, and no one seems to remember that. Give it time and Vista will be awesome.

 

[Melrose]

Oh, and I don't find that shutting down is a necessity. Like I said, XP crashes if I leave my system running for 2-3 consecutive days. That, or it slows down. And like Melrose, I have had trouble shutting down my machine. It just won't shut down.

This really I think shows what the OS is made of - I mean, it's a basic system function.. less than basic. This is one of those things that should just work. I mean, if my car never turned off unless I popped the hood and disconnected the battery or something, I'd sell the car pronto.

If something so simple simply starts failing to work properly after so little time, what faith am I supposed to have in other, more intense and more valuable features of the system?

Another beef I've got is with upgrades and major updates and stuff. I bought my MBP and it had 10.4 on it, with the 10.5 installation DVD. The upgrade was completed, seamlessly I might add, in less than 45 minutes. Windows I know from experience has a very hard time with big updates, let alone upgrades to the OS. On XP I couldn't even get the bloody driver to work properly when we got our new printer...

But I'll be fair: I've never used Vista. But going from past episodes with Windows, I ain't holding my breath to try (and I don't care for the look of the new interface to begin with)