"Without Trans-Pacific Partnership, U.S. hands over trade power to China, Japan"

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  1. thermodynamic Suspended

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    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/4/without-trans-pacific-partnership-us-hands-over-po/

    Worth reading in full, but if China is a known manipulator then the claim of China trying to take over isn't going to get very far if everyone else is already fed up with China, even making the TPP as a means to combat (for which if that is the case, China isn't going to be happy with that either.)

    That and it's already been said that while the TPP currently omits China, it will remain open for possible inclusion of China in the future. What would people think about that?
     
  2. Desertrat macrumors newbie

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    China has pretty-much already stepped in. TPP does well for the big international corporations, but would generally continue the decline of our middle-class. Too much power to the corporations, over-riding existing laws concerning such things as copyrights and intellectual property--among other downers.

    I note that Singapore's currency is already in sync with the Yuan.
     
  3. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    The gist of the article is that if the U.S. can't make these nations commit to TPP, China will swoop in with their own accord that cares less about workers and environmental safety, and that will hurt U.S. credibility and control in the region.

    At this point, I'm okay with reducing U.S. influence and control. I'm okay with taking a few steps backwards if China gets its way. Sooner or later China will learn that it can't neglect workers and the environment. But those lessons must come naturally, over time. They can't be forced on the Chinese.

    The evolution of human society is torturously slow and convoluted. And while this looks like a preventable backward step, there is no tenable alternative. China is too big of a force to bully, and too set in their ways to dissuade. The best we can hope for is work with them, and by our cooperation and teamwork best influence and change them.
     
  4. LizKat macrumors 68040

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    Nonsense. It should be fixed, not ditched. It's too late to become a backwater nation.
     
  5. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    We get to be the new England.

    They don't have it so bad.
     
  6. LizKat macrumors 68040

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    Well... our food is better.. assuming we get those taco trucks someone promised us.

    I almost drove down to NY again this week for some decent Chinese food. Even in Ithaca it's not as good as in NY.
     
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    That's bull, and you know it. Both China and the us are on unsustainable (but linked) paths. As abysmal as we may be, China has a lot more to lose if we tank
     
  8. Desertrat macrumors newbie

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    blackfox, less that one-third of China's jingle in her jeans is US debt. Her trade with other countries would continue even if we tank. Food from Brazil, timber from Argentina and Canada, oil from the Gulf, etc. And don't forget her New Silk Road. OTOH, we're $19.5 trillion in the red and with a stagnant economy.
     
  9. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    Hilarious.

    "This is to to take on China....but we've stated numerous times that we'd like to include China down the road".


    Get real, this is about one thing and one thing only, corporate power superseding the laws of sovereign nation states.
     
  10. Huntn macrumors G5

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    Thread Revival

    Recently since Trump has abandoned this, I've heard some reports that claims not being in such a trade agreement is bad for the U.S., being on the outside, not the inside.
     

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