would you buy a new mac mini with soldered ram, a t2 chip and storage that can’t be replaced?

Discussion in 'Mac mini' started by nathansz, Oct 16, 2018.


would you ?

  1. yes

    32 vote(s)
  2. no

    54 vote(s)
  1. nathansz, Oct 16, 2018
    Last edited: Oct 16, 2018

    nathansz macrumors regular

    Jul 24, 2017
    assuming it had a decent current gen quad or more core processor,

    would you buy a new mac mini with soldered ram, a t2 chip and upgraded storage that can’t be replaced?
  2. T'hain Esh Kelch macrumors 601

    T'hain Esh Kelch

    Aug 5, 2001
    Only if Apple would recycle it for free in 15 years, and it is way cheaper than the current model.
  3. redheeler macrumors 604


    Oct 17, 2014
    If it starts at 8 GB RAM and 256 GB SSD for the price of the current Mac mini, it would be a good enough value even with sacrificed upgradability. I don't see 256 GB SSD and quad-core happening at the $499 price point though, even Intel NUCs don't offer that kind of value.

    External storage via USB or Thunderbolt 3 is always a possibility, while external RAM is not, so I would rather see socketed RAM than upgradable storage. Socketed RAM opens up the possibility of 32 GB or 64 GB RAM for a Mac that would otherwise be stuck at 8 GB, making it much more future-proof.
  4. Razzerman macrumors 6502

    Sep 11, 2007
    Trying to tie these soldered systems down is a pretty low trick, imho. Non-upgradeble ram and/or storage means I won't be buying. Some people won't be bothered at all by it though.
  5. alphaswift macrumors regular

    Aug 26, 2014
    The answer is "it depends". If RAM is soldered but has extra slots, that's not a problem. If storage can't be replaced, but offers a second empty m.2 connector, not a problem. My decision would be based on what's offered, as opposed to what's not offered.
  6. Altis macrumors 68030

    Sep 10, 2013
  7. nathansz thread starter macrumors regular

    Jul 24, 2017
    has apple ever sold a system with soldered ram AND extra slots?
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    for this macrumors 6502

    Nov 18, 2014
    Yes (and more than one).
  9. reallynotnick macrumors 6502a

    Oct 21, 2005
    Depends on what it comes with and price of course. If somehow removing upgradability allowed them to offer massive storage and RAM for a low price, sure, bring it on, but I highly doubt that will be the case.
  10. kevink2 macrumors 65816

    Nov 2, 2008
    External storage capabilities have improved. Whether USB 3.1 or TB. Something I would consider since I would be buying a mac mini as a second computer that mostly acts as my iTunes/photos server.
  11. boodle macrumors regular


    Jun 12, 2004
    Absolutely, if it's a good NUC that does the job I need it to do I might buy several hundred.
    Easy to deploy, cheap, secure, without built-in peripheral headaches? I've been waiting since 2014.
  12. redheeler macrumors 604


    Oct 17, 2014
    Not recently. But back in the PowerPC days, yes. The Early 2005 iBook G4 has a RAM slot + 512 MB soldered on the board, for a maximum total of 1.5 GB possible.
  13. kwikdeth macrumors 65816

    Feb 25, 2003
    Tempe, AZ
    yes, they intermittently did this on machines for many many years, at least back to the early 90s. First one that comes to mind was the PowerMac 6100. That all stopped with Intel though.
  14. nathansz thread starter macrumors regular

    Jul 24, 2017
    my mistake,

    what i really meant to ask was have they ever had soldered ram and extra slots in an intel mac

    the point being, would one reasonably expect this is something they would do on a new mini
  15. Boyd01 macrumors 601


    Feb 21, 2012
    New Jersey Pine Barrens
    How could I answer this without more information? What configurations are available and what is the price? What's a t2 chip? Is that what Apple uses for fingerprint ID? That doesn't interest me in the least and I wouldn't want to pay a premium for it. If I get a new mini, it will be for the same purpose as my 2012 quad - video and audio editing. I don't use the 2012 quad for e-mail, online shopping or anything personal so it's set to automatically login at startup. I just want a fast machine with plenty of RAM and an internal SSD (not a fusion drive).

    I would buy the top RAM configuration, which i assume would be 32gb. That is likely to be very expensive at Apple prices. A 256gb SSD should be big enough for my software, but bigger would be better. I use large external SSD's and hard drives to store my projects anyway.

    So, if I get a new mini, I want to unplug all the stuff from my 2012 quad, plug it into the 2018 mini, run the Migration Assistant and continue doing the same things.... but much faster. :)
  16. Fishrrman macrumors P6


    Feb 20, 2009
    IF there is a new Mini
    IF it has decent specs
    IF it comes with a t2 chip
    IF it's possible to [pretty much] disable the t2
    I may buy one, but...
    ...the first thing I will do is disable the t2 to the fullest extent possible.
  17. pallymore macrumors regular


    Sep 24, 2013
    Boston, MA
    I wouldn't be surprised if they do that since everything except the (also) outdated Mac Pro have everything soldered on.
    Upgradable apple computers is a thing of the past.

    I might still buy one if it has decent specs at a reasonable price.
    I wouldn't pay extra $400 for 512GB ssd no matter how good they are.
  18. kaibob macrumors regular

    Jun 21, 2010
    Prescott, Arizona
    I voted yes and expect in 12 days to buy a mini with 16GB memory and 256GB SSD. In the unlikely event that ram is upgradeable, I'll go with 8GB memory. I've been waiting for 2 years to buy a new mini and I will put in my order on the 30th.
  19. fxbeta macrumors member


    Sep 23, 2014
    Hell no!

    Unless they actually announce a new Mac Mini with decent specs on the 30th.

    Then... maybe.
  20. chooyoshi macrumors member


    Aug 5, 2018
    I'm fine with it as long as there is at least 8gb ram, 1tb fusion hard drive... and USB a and HDMI ports
  21. alien3dx macrumors 6502a


    Feb 12, 2017
    hdmi is a must..Like me, my old monitor have vga, dvi,hdmi but no usb c. Convertor is cheap but hard to find. 8 GB is not the best choice since osx chunk 4GB itself and balance 4GB .The best min is 16 GB and 256 . Last but not, i hope "JACK" will not removed.o_O
  22. FlyingTexan macrumors regular

    Jul 13, 2015
    I don't see the problem with soldered items. By the time I need to upgrade something I'm ready to sell it on ebay anyway. I use the Mac mini as a HTPC that does everything. I'll gladly get the next gen if it has 4k@60fps minimum output, 512GB, and 16GB memory. That will last until the next big technology wave.
  23. Tobias Funke macrumors 6502a

    Tobias Funke

    Apr 3, 2012
    No. The only way I am buying the new mini is if I can transfer my 2TB SSD and my 16 gig of RAM from my 2011 MacBook Pro. Anything else is a no deal.
  24. eddjedi macrumors 6502

    Sep 7, 2011
    Great question. no, I would not buy a desktop computer with no user accessible RAM or HD. I can just about tolerate it on Apple's notebooks as there is an argument for reducing the size of the device, but for a desktop machine it is completely inexcusable. Doing so for a desktop computer is either pure vanity or planned obsolescence.
  25. strawbale macrumors 6502

    Mar 25, 2011
    French Pyrenees
    Depending on the price, yes. To keep me going fpr at least 5 years I'd need 16GB RAM and 256GB SSD (or 512 if price is right). But also depends on the iGPU specs (eDRAM?) as I wouldn't go down an eGPU road.

    However, seeing that the nTB 13"MBP with 7th gen intel and 64MB eDRAM starts at $1700 (16/256) and the TB 8th gen version (with 128MB eDRAM) starts at $2000, I can't see a Mini based on the MBP 13" innards starting under $1000.

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