Wounded Warrior Project conduct "makes me sick"

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  1. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    Sickening. I'll be canceling my 2 automatic monthly contributions later.



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    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/wounded...ion-veterans-charity-accused-of-no-follow-up/
     
  2. Huntn macrumors G5

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    I'm no expert, but all charities must be evaluated for what percentage of funds reach the intended beneficiaries, versus providing the leadership with the good life. :oops:
     
  3. ericgtr12 macrumors 6502a

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    What I don't understand is why any organization needs to take to the public asking for donations to provide services our veterans need. We sent them to war, we should be taking care of them in every way when they return.
     
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    There's a difference between talking to folks who've never done what you've done and those that have. You also get a feeling of isolation after you get out you go from your team/squad/platoon to nothing those are the things that projects like this are supposed to replace.
     
  5. ericgtr12 macrumors 6502a

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    Fair enough, but when I see ads showing a person missing limbs getting the treatment and supplies they need through this project, it implies they're not getting it elsewhere. Maybe it's just the advertising? But the way we treat them is sickening, we should be just as adamant about their recovery as we are about sending them into the battlefield. Republicans should be on the front line of this, too.
     
  6. MacAndMic macrumors 6502

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    Why just Republicans? All sides should be on the front.
     
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    But there are a lot of things that can't be treated in an institutional way, and others can't be "fixed" only mitigated.

    But I do agree that we need to take a look at how we deal with vets but I don't see it as a partisan thing I'd actually prefer the politicians stay out of it.
     
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    Because Democrats are already on the front line, fighting Republicans to fund our veterans tooth and nail. Here's just 5 bills Republicans killed:

    1. Veterans Affairs Funding Bill (2015)
    The House Appropriations Subcommittee, met with VA Secretary Bob McDonald to remove more than $1.4 billion in veteran services from President Obama’s proposed 2016 budget. Included in those cuts was more than $690 million earmarked for direct VA medical care and $582 million in VA construction projects. As a result of the cuts, it was estimated that 70,000 fewer veterans would be able to receive needed care.

    2. Women Veterans and Families Health Services Act (2014)
    This bipartisan bill would have provided fertility treatment and counseling for severely wounded veterans and their spouses. However, the bill was killed before making it out of the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee after Republicans proposed an amendment to prevent any involvement with Planned Parenthood.

    The author of the bill, Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.), took to the floor of the Senate and made the following statement:

    “Don’t take something that should be above politics, our sacred duty to our veterans, pull it down into the muck of petty politics. It is not fair to veterans and their families who have been hoping and praying for the opportunity to have children.”

    3. Veterans Health and Benefits and Military Retirement Pay Restoration Act (2014)
    This bill, proposed by Senator Bernie Sanders, was a piece of sweeping legislation that would have expanded healthcare and education for veterans. After clearing a procedural vote by a 99-0 margin, the bill was hijacked by Mitch McConnell and Senate Republicans who attached an amendment to the bill which would have levied sanctions on Iran.

    While arguing over the proposed amendments, other Republicans took to the floor to raise concerns over the cost of the bill, and it was ultimately defeated with 41 of 45 Senate Republicans voting against the bill.

    4. Veterans Jobs Corps Act (2012)
    Originally submitted by democratic Representative Bruce Braley of Iowa, this bill would have established the Veteran’s Jobs Corps to provide gainful employment to more than 20,000 veterans through public works projects in their own communities at a cost of $1 billion over 5 years.

    Ultimately, Senate Republicans blocked the bill because it was unpaid for… while simultaneously proposing a bill to increase military spending with no way to pay for it.

    “We Republicans remain resolute in our commitment to deny the Democrats anything that looks like an accomplishment in an election year,” said Republican leader Mitch McConnell.

    5. Homeless Women Veterans and Homeless Veterans With Children Act (2010)
    Originally proposed to expand assistance for homeless women veterans and homeless veterans with children, as well as increasing funding for federal grant programs to address the issues surrounding homelessness amongst veterans, this bipartisan bill made its way through the Senate Veterans’ Affairs Committee with strong support from members of both parties.

    However, the bill was promptly killed as Senate Minority leader Mitch McConnell, on behalf of Senator Tom Coburn, objected based on the cost of the program.

    “If we don’t start paying for new programs and continue on our path to bankruptcy we’ll have a homelessness problem beyond imagination,” Coburn spokesman John Hart told HuffPost. “The old Washington excuse that it’s too hard to cut spending is undermining our troops, our veterans and our future.”
     
  9. rdowns thread starter macrumors Penryn

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    Yet the Republicans had no issue with making certain tax cuts permanent at a cost of $½ trillion in debt.
     
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    Not to mention cutting funding for the treatment of 9/11 first responders, it takes a real prick to do that.
     
  11. Huntn, Jan 27, 2016
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    While I agree with you (seriously), I'll say especially Republican's who cherish sending their kids or more likely your kids off to fight sham wars to help big business. In case it's not obvious, my focus is the colossel blunder called the Iraq War, whose aftermath is still with us today.

    The GOP are huge WAR cheerleaders, but in action and purse strings indicate a view that our wounded warriors are expendable pawns, otherwise they would not be so eager put our soldiers into such a precarious situation without accurately estimating realistic goals, the true costs of the endeavor and effectively caring for our casualties.
     
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    Would be better if BOTH craphouses ended the wars
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    Would be better if BOTH craphouses ended the wars
     
  14. MacAndMic macrumors 6502

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    I don't know how old you are but if you remember 9/11, the country was feverishly looking for someone to blame. And then we found someone. I say WE collectively, you cannot pin that on just Republicans. I won't play the blame game any more with party politics, it is a never ending spiraling hole. You'll blame this, I'll blame that, no one is ever correct but what we have right now in this country is no one working together and ALL of it's citizens being shafted.
     
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    Right, to be clear I'm pointing fingers in this particular case where I believe they should be pointed. That being said, both sides need to work together for the betterment of our returning solders, they both deserve and have earned it, the least we can do is show some bipartisanship on their behalf.
     
  16. Huntn macrumors G5

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    Well, I'm 62. :D The memory of how we invaded a country on false pretenses is etched in my accurate memories and there is no doubt who formulated this event and who supported it or at least did not fight it for widely different reasons.

    As a rule Republican's were enthusiastic fearmongering cheerleaders, while elected Democrats were too chicken to actively speak out or vote against the authorization handed to W to take military action only after all our avenues were exhausted. Yeah right, they were worried their electorate would turn on them, kicking them out of office. Both sides failed us in is regard, but I can still put more responsibility on the party that lit the match.

    I'll agree that we are desperately in need of a functional Congress that puts the needs of the country above partisan politics. That said, whois the party of NO, who has forsaken compromise, whose total focus has been stopping Obama in his tracks even for things they would normally support? Who has shut down the Fed Govt multiple times because it easier than striking a deal? Who can't even control their own party? Who has voted 60+ times to overturn the ACA? Who has offered no alternative health plans in response?

    I'll admit we voters only have ourselves to blame for electing such poorly suited people to lead us somewhere other than off a cliff. Just curious, who do you blame for this, who will you support with your vote? I'd like to know. :)
     
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    When George W. Bush put forward the case for invading Afghanistan, I agreed. When US SOCOM troops were riding into the mountains of Afghanistan on horseback and calling in airstrikes for the Northern Alliance, I agreed.

    When George W. Bush put forward the case of invading Iraq, I went "hey, wait a minute." (My case was that the war was a bad idea, likely to destabilize the region, and that the Bush administration was likely to screw up the post-war occupation. I'm still horrified that I was right.)

    So, did roughly 150,000 other people, who marched in protests in Washington D.C. and San Francisco. Five days later, there were more than 150 protests worldwide.

    Protests continued for months, culminating in a worldwide protest on Feb. 15. Called the largest in human history by Guinness Book of Records, the protest was in 800 cities, involving millions of people.
     
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    people don't matter to politicians.
     
  19. rdowns thread starter macrumors Penryn

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    I have 7 or 8 charities that I donate to automatically each month. I researched them all but never did Wounded Warriors. Shame on me.
     
  20. Huntn macrumors G5

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    I too supported Afganistan, but rejected Iraq which had nothing to do with 9/11. The reason for invading was incompetence or criminal.
     
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    I'll admit that I did support the Iraq war initially, mainly because I was sold on WMDs that never actually existed. Who knew!
     
  22. rdowns thread starter macrumors Penryn

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    Wow. 20 minutes on the phone with them and they're refusing to cancel my donation saying the story is false. **** 'em, I called Chase and they took care of it in 3 minutes.
     
  23. MacAndMic macrumors 6502

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    Many good responses and many agree that our politicians do not have the citizens first on their list.

    Huntn, I am going to blame us! The citizens. We are so wrapped up and bought into what politicians spew to us when in reality you watch MANY of them reap financial gains for their interests. We take on their arguments on social media and don't even realize how much we are screwing ourselves.

    As for vote, I've said it many times here, Trump. He is not bought and paid for. A person that uses his own money to run for President has a goal, he truly loves the country. I think the same could be said about Bernie with how he is financing his campaign. Regardless, do not turn this thread into another Candidate thread, it would be disrespectful to wounded warriors.
     
  24. LIVEFRMNYC macrumors 603

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    Shame doesn't fall on you. Their ads are very convincing.
     
  25. Huntn macrumors G5

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    There was a time when we could trust our leaders. For Iraq, we had Colin Powell testifying before the UN whom I trusted, but I also heard prominent Congressional Democrats emerge from secret briefings saying there were no revelations, the UN inspectors were conducting inspections, nothing found and nothing specific about WMDs, just vague retoric, about how within a year the US would be vulnerable to Iraqi nuclear missiles. I was suspicious of the Bush-Vader team and did not buy it.
     

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