WoW 10.3.8?

vraxtus

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Any good performance increases anyone's seen yet?

Can't install yet cuz I'm stuck in Molten Core wiping over and over to Lucifron... with a full 40 man raid group -_-

Cheers.
 

starstreak

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I saw no major difference. see my specs. If the difference is there, it must either be as a whole, or just 1-3fps once in a while
 

patseguin

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I've always gotten sub-par peformance, l ike 15-30 fps. I am now getting a solid 40-50 fps wherever I am. I'm tempted to put my 6800 Ultra back in and see if it is still crap.

On a side note, FSAA does not seem to work properly in WoW. I get occassional flickers and the death effect is all screwed up.
 

vasaz

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improvement here..

My frame rate jumped by about 5 I'd say, especially in places like Ashenvale. All though I admit that before they ranged from 10 to 30+, now its about 15 to 30+. This is on a powerbook 1.5 ghz w/1.5 gig ram and 128 mb 9700.

Settings all on high (except draw distance one notch below halfway point, and full glow still off as I didn't like the look even after the update), plus FSAA(Super) 2x and Anisotropic Filtering 2x through the OpenGL Overrides. Of course I could get better performance by lowering things, but so far, for me anyway, the frame rates haven't been in the way of game play... and I like the way the game looks with everything on high, can't go back to low now!

Hopefully the next WoW patch will improve things even more..
 

Laslo Panaflex

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vraxtus said:
Any good performance increases anyone's seen yet?

Can't install yet cuz I'm stuck in Molten Core wiping over and over to Lucifron... with a full 40 man raid group -_-

Cheers.
Showoff :D

You mayhem guys are so uberleet!

Hey Vraxtus, Wzarector is my RL friend, just thought that it was cool that he joined you all. Good to see you are posting back on the forums, even though you are playing WoW while doing it :p

I haven't noticed any significant difference, but I will when my x800 arrives on the 15th. :D
 

infect

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I haven't noticed any big differences on my 15" 1.5GHz powerbook (1GB RAM), but usually after an OS X update, a blizzard update is not far behind...
 

jtgotsjets

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anyone had a chance to test it with an ibook?
i haven't played since the beta, and while performance wasn't great, it was playable (somewhere around 18 fps. not fluid, but not a slideshow) and i've been wondering if its worth the money to pay to play. i won't pay 50+ dollars for 18 fps, but if my ibook can push it to maybe 22ish fps with the recent updates to OSX and WoW, i might buy it.
 

infect

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jtgotsjets said:
anyone had a chance to test it with an ibook?
i haven't played since the beta, and while performance wasn't great, it was playable (somewhere around 18 fps. not fluid, but not a slideshow) and i've been wondering if its worth the money to pay to play. i won't pay 50+ dollars for 18 fps, but if my ibook can push it to maybe 22ish fps with the recent updates to OSX and WoW, i might buy it.
I have a friend that plays on an ibook ... it's very playable. Definitely much better than beta, but I guess I don't expect much from an ibook. He's happy with it though. I think 22fps for a new ibook is a reasonable expectation.
 

invaLPsion

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infect said:
I haven't noticed any big differences on my 15" 1.5GHz powerbook (1GB RAM), but usually after an OS X update, a blizzard update is not far behind...
The last Blizzard update brought the performance increases, and according to Rob Barris they're are plenty of things that remain to be improved, (and AF to be unlocked). I'd wait till the next WoW update to make any inferences on performance.
 

Jigglelicious

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No difference here. Still getting the exact same performance as I did with 10.3.6 and 10.3.7 back in beta, which is around 12-15fps on average outdoors, 25-50 indoors on my 1.4GHz eMac. Its playable, but at times not very enjoyable.
 

vraxtus

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Laslo Panaflex said:
Showoff :D

You mayhem guys are so uberleet!

Hey Vraxtus, Wzarector is my RL friend, just thought that it was cool that he joined you all. Good to see you are posting back on the forums, even though you are playing WoW while doing it :p

I haven't noticed any significant difference, but I will when my x800 arrives on the 15th. :D
Heh, thanks.

Yeah I installed 10.3.8 on both comps... still haven't seen much of a difference.

However, I wondering if there was much effect on the Death Glow effect... for me in 10.3.7 it was highly bugged and completely distorted my screen. I guess I'll have to die at some point to find out =P
 

a2daj

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There's a known issue with WoW and FSAA causing various graphics distortions in ghost mode and when entering enclosed areas. That's one of the big reasons they don't offer in game FSAA options. Not sure why they still disable AF. That has worked fine for me since closed beta with my various Radeon cards.
 

patseguin

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a2daj said:
There's a known issue with WoW and FSAA causing various graphics distortions in ghost mode and when entering enclosed areas. That's one of the big reasons they don't offer in game FSAA options. Not sure why they still disable AF. That has worked fine for me since closed beta with my various Radeon cards.
What is "AF"?

EDIT: Ah, it is Anistropic Filtering...
 

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a2daj said:
There's a known issue with WoW and FSAA causing various graphics distortions in ghost mode and when entering enclosed areas. That's one of the big reasons they don't offer in game FSAA options. Not sure why they still disable AF. That has worked fine for me since closed beta with my various Radeon cards.
I had FSAA problems with (Multi) from my ATI control panel. Going to (Super) x2 AA and x2 AF solved these problems and -- strangley -- improved my framerate.

(Unfortunately WoW is totally borked after installing 10.3.8 now.) :(
 

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infect said:
I have a friend that plays on an ibook ... it's very playable. Definitely much better than beta, but I guess I don't expect much from an ibook. He's happy with it though. I think 22fps for a new ibook is a reasonable expectation.
Since the Mac mini is more or less a headless iBook, can we assume the same playability for the Mac mini? Around 20-25FPS?

With the Mac mini upgraded to 512MB, of course (1GB is so expensive, I do wish Apple had put two memory slots in there... or at least soldered 256MB on-board, making an upgrade to 512/768MB a lot less expensive).
 

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invaLPsion said:
The last Blizzard update brought the performance increases, and according to Rob Barris they're are plenty of things that remain to be improved, (and AF to be unlocked). I'd wait till the next WoW update to make any inferences on performance.
WoW patch today has unlocked a lot of new features... I'll try to update this thread as to performance gains when I get a chance to try it out.
 

patseguin

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infect said:
WoW patch today has unlocked a lot of new features... I'll try to update this thread as to performance gains when I get a chance to try it out.
There's a new WoW patch today??????? Me=excited!
 

HiRez

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vraxtus said:
However, I wondering if there was much effect on the Death Glow effect... for me in 10.3.7 it was highly bugged and completely distorted my screen.
It's the same for me (Radeon 9600), IOW still bugged. Supposedly 10.3.8 fixes the Full Screen Glow effect, but I wasn't impressed. It did not seem to be glowing at all on my system, just washes out the image a bit, so I turned it back off. :rolleyes:
 

patseguin

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Nothing seems new to me and performance is definitely worse.

EDIT: Before this patch I was getting 40-50 fps steadily outdoors. I am now getting 15-30. This patch definitely borked performance and the AF slider is still disabled.
 

infect

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patseguin said:
Nothing seems new to me and performance is definitely worse.

EDIT: Before this patch I was getting 40-50 fps steadily outdoors. I am now getting 15-30. This patch definitely borked performance and the AF slider is still disabled.
Apparently this patch has little or nothing to do with any sort of mac-centric performance increase and looks to mainly be a bug fix. Update notes follow:


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- World of Warcraft Client Patch 1.2.3 (2005-02-15)
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PvP Duels
Dueling across factions remains intact in the patch, in consideration
of players' desires to duel members of the opposing faction.

*This is a minor patch to address localization issues discovered
during the European beta test. These changes affect localized text
strings for French and German versions of the game only, and players
in other regions will not see any changes to the game.


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- World of Warcraft Client Patch 1.2.2 (2005-02-15)
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Paladin
Seal of the Crusader: Fixed a bug where damage per swing was
increasing instead of decreasing when Seal of the Crusader was active.
This resulted in a dramatic increase in damage per second (DPS) that
was unintended. The tooltip for the spell displays the intent of
the spell:

"Fills the Paladin with the spirit of a crusader, granting additional
attack power. The Paladin also attacks faster, but deals less damage
with each attack."

The overall increase in DPS from Seal of the Crusader should only
result from the increase in attack power and not from the increase in
attack speed. We understand this is a significant decrease in the
power of this spell, but was a necessary bug fix to ensure both
overall game balance and the viability of different Paladin Seals.


Localization
- Various text strings and audio have been corrected for the French and
German versions of the game.


Macs
- Fixed a bug that incorrectly enabled the vertex animation shader
option on some GPU's that do not support it. This bug was causing
player character models in-game and in the character selection screen
to appear invisible or distorted. The fix should benefit users with
NVIDIA GeForce 2MX or 4MX GPU's and ATI Radeon 7000/7500 GPU's. It
should no longer be necessary to manually turn off the vertex
animation feature on these systems - it should now be off and
disabled automatically.


Bug Fixes
- Group loot has been fixed to work as originally intended. It will now
work exactly like round robin does, with the exception that when an
item of threshold level or above drops, it will use the auto-rolling
system. (Prior to this fix, when in group loot mode, the round robin
system was only being used for items (all players could loot coins),
which was rather confusing).
- Fixed a group loot permission bug that was telling players they did
not have permission to loot.
- Fixed a bug that was causing the game to freeze when scrolling
through auctions in the Auction House.
- Murlocs play the drown animation when they die underwater now.
- Onyxia correctly hovers instead of standing in midair.
- You can target vocal emotes again.
- Pets and summoned creatures attacking enemies will now tap the
enemies for their owners.
- Fixed a bug with Troll Shamans and the Berserk ability. Troll Shamans
can only go Berserk when they are in the wounded state.
- Rogues now correctly gain Lockpicking skill from items picked in the
trade window.
- Quests that require you to follow/escort an NPC will only complete
when you arrive at the designated area.
- Horde and Alliance members cannot duel with each other regardless of
realm type.
- Herbs and mineral nodes will remain active if they are not fully
emptied.
- Fixed a bug that was giving higher damage-per-second (DPS) to
Steelarrow Crossbow and Blackcrow than was intended.
- Sell prices on Hypnotic Blade, Illusionary Rod, Mantle of Doan, and
Robe of Doan have been lowered.
- Players who have completed the quest to summon Kirtonos may now
obtain the Blood of Innocents from Doctor Theolen Krastinov.
- The tooltip for the Warrior's Intercept ability has been updated to
reflect the proper rage cost. Using Intercept now requires 10 rage,
not 15 rage. The tooltip now accurately reflects that.
 

HiRez

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patseguin said:
EDIT: Before this patch I was getting 40-50 fps steadily outdoors. I am now getting 15-30. This patch definitely borked performance and the AF slider is still disabled.
Which patch are you referring to, OS X 10.3.8 or WoW 1.2.3? The thread is about 10.3.8. If you mean OS X, that is strange, I haven't heard anyone else say anything about decreased performance.
 

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patseguin said:
Nothing seems new to me and performance is definitely worse.

EDIT: Before this patch I was getting 40-50 fps steadily outdoors. I am now getting 15-30. This patch definitely borked performance and the AF slider is still disabled.
That's near the FPS I get on my Powerbook... 10-25. That's completely ridiculous... granted, you have all the options set on high I would imagine, but... there is something very wrong here.

The PC side is performing beautifully. The X800 isn't an early-adopter card anymore. I guess for us it is... damn I loathe being a Mac gamer sometimes.
 

patseguin

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I was referring to infect's post about the WoW patch. OS 10.3.8 seemed to improve WoW performance quite a bit. However, this latest WoW patch seems to have regressed in performance.
 

infect

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patseguin said:
I was referring to infect's post about the WoW patch. OS 10.3.8 seemed to improve WoW performance quite a bit. However, this latest WoW patch seems to have regressed in performance.
I haven't been able to tell much of a difference actually. This may be due to my stock Powerbook video card, but I don't know for sure.
 

Abulia

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I saw no WoW improvement with the latest patch; and I didn't expect too, as the patch didn't have any Mac improvements.

My machine, overall, seems a bit more sluggish since 10.3.8 as well as louder. Without a doubt I'm going back to 10.3.7 as soon as I get some free time.