Yet another shooting in Usa-this time inside a Walmart store

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    Do you realize that Australia has less population than Texas only? And it has no true borders for smuggling ? And no second amendment ?
     
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    *facepalm*

    Ah yes, another country successfully did it and thus it's not possible for the United States to do it.

    I wonder if that excuse was used at the time in Australia - quite a few excuses were thrown around at the time, because many Australians were so much morons they didn't want that gun control

     
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    Have I said not possible? I believe that anything is possible. It’s just much more difficult. Doing the very same thing Australia did is virtually impossible here for many reason. It would certainly require, among other things, a constitutional amendment.
    And before you say something - I do not like, own, or ever held a gun.
     
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    1) he won't be called an animal by Trump if he's white.
    2) We shouldn't politicize this incident
    3) It's too soon to talk about gun control.
     
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    I think the biggest reason it's not possible is because most people in the United States don't want to do it.
     
  7. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    4) It must have been one of those “gun-free” zones.
     
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    Who cares? It happens all the time and no one with power to do anything wants to do anything about it.
     
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    More than twice as many people got ran over by a Home Depot Truck. So while I believe in some stricter gun regulations, Aussie style gun laws will just further fuel the black market.

    Everyone is concern about how easy it was for mass killer to legally get a weapon. But anyone can also illegally get a weapon. Most mass killers just go the legal route because it's cheaper.
     
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    Good. So at the very least, you agree a ban would prevent would-be mass killers that can't afford to shop in the black market.
     
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    Population (million)
    Texas—27.86
    Australia—24.13

    Total Firearm Deaths
    Texas—3,203
    Australia—211

    Total Firearm Death Rate
    Texas—11.7
    Australia—0.93

    https://www.google.com/search?sourc.....0...1.2.64.psy-ab..1.1.72.0...0.smVqO6k5JGA
    https://www.google.com/search?q=texas+population&oq=texas+population&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.3588j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/states/texas/texas.htm
    http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia
     
  12. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Most don't want to do what?

    There's plenty of support for more restriction.

    Screen Shot 2017-11-02 at 8.12.42 AM.png

    http://news.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx
     
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    Well, being that the Vegas shoot was rich. It was probably easier to go the legal route versus meeting some gangbanging arms dealer behind an alley.

    I believe in restrictions that makes sense. To be able to have enough options to defend yourself, but not enough to start a mini war.
     
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    Again, interesting data. Thanks for sharing.
    We should probably define “gun restriction” a bit more, because it can be interpreted in two million ways.
     
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    That's the thing about a country like America - if we want something to happen, we can make it happen. Either by voting for it, or voting for people who will vote for it. Curiously, neither has taken place on a large enough scale.
     
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    Because religion, race, and financial class divides us. Even when we have a common goal, voters let what I mentioned skew their decision.
     
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    We can't vote for it, that's part of the problem. There are no federal ballot initiatives. We can't ever vote on laws directly at the federal level. Many have called for this to change. Not surprisingly, the NRA has lobbied against federal ballot initiatives for the obvious reason that it would likely result in stricter gun control.
     
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    Now before I hear “a good guy with a gun would have stopped this”. It was a freaking Walmart. I assume everyone in the store was packing heat.
     
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    That's not a Walmart. It's a Target.
     
  20. MacNut macrumors Core

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    Well it was last night.
     
  21. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Like that wall?
     
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    Odd statement Yax, the first bit about population is true, the second is false (you probably meant land borders) , Auz has to contend with smuggling all the time from Indonesia and Papua New Guinea. As for the 2A thing... don't the victims have rights too?
     
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    Yes, I meant land borders. Yours is a very good correction, thank you.

    Unfortunately, 2A doesn’t give any right to victims, at least not in the sense of gun control. With the exception of another amendment I don’t think that the feds have enough jurisdiction to propose serious gun control legislation. And I don’t see all the 50 states magically decide for total gun control (which, would also be unconstitutional due to the 2A), which means that even if this or that state decide to go for some meaningful gun control the black market will flourish as it never did.
     
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    I go to a local Walmart because they have the best beer prices. The number 1 killer of shoppers will be cardiac arrest or diabetes.
     

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