You wanted Healthcare, what you got was bureaucracy.

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by fivepoint, Jul 30, 2010.

  1. fivepoint macrumors 65816

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    As with anything the government touches, efficiency is destroyed and simplicity is thrown by the wayside; left in it's place is a mangled mess of pure and unbridled bureaucracy, inefficiency, waste, and mismanagement. Welcome to your future, folks. This is the big-government at it's best!

    Detailed organization chart displays a bewildering array of new government agencies, regulations and mandates as part of the 2,801 page Obamacare bill:
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    “This [graph] portrays only about one-third of the complexity of the final bill. It’s actually worse than this.”
    -Rep. Kevin Brady

    "But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it..."
    -Rep. Nancy Pelosi

    You can download a high-res PDF of the map, here.

     
  2. bamaworks macrumors 6502

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    A lot of filler in this graphic, you should know better than to post this clearly partisan bull ****. How in depth of a relationship do you really thing the President, DHS, IRS, Justice Department, etc. are really going to have with the new healthcare system after its implementation?
     
  3. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    Hey Fivepoint, how big is the bill before its blown up to ridiculous sized fonts and triple spaced?
     
  4. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    It is rather sad that several of you are not even bothering to address the original post but instead going off and attacking him because he is fivepoint.

    I have seen several people who are on the left side complain about the crappy bill that we got that really is nothing more than bureaucracy. It was not a healthcare bill that was passed but a health insurance bill.


    Nancy Pelosi statement
    "But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it..."
    says it all. This bill is a mess. The part about it having to be passed so we can figure out what is in it.

    Sorry but the so call healthcare bill is a pill of crap and really just bureaucracy and does nothing to really solve our problem.

    Do we need a health care bill yes. Did we get one no. This bill did not address any of the fundamental problems with our health care system as it stands. Like for example our run away rising cost each year.
     
  5. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Yeah, we got Romneycare, a Republican invention. Insurance mandates and the like. HUGE gift to insurance companies. There were some good things in the bill, like not being able to deny insurance to people with pre-existing conditions and not being able to drop people. But what we really need is UHC. This is not going to do nearly what we need. It's a band-aid on a gunshot wound.
     
  6. MattSepeta macrumors 65816

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    Fivepoint hates babies and supports poor people dying.

    :rolleyes:
     
  7. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Who said that? Seriously- what is up with that?
     
  8. iBlue macrumors Core

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    I agree with the thread title but who ever thought it would be simple? Name one government plan that is. Govs of all kinds seem to adore complexity.

    In a nutshell, what I wish could have happened in the US was an extension of Medicare to every person in the US legally. People could still supplement it with private insurance if they liked and the rest that are not in that position are not left to twist in the wind. That is exactly what I do in the UK. Having the NHS with private insurance (which costs a shocking fraction of what it does in the US, I might add) is a really sweet spot to be in when it comes to medical coverage.
     
  9. leekohler macrumors G5

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    That's exactly what should have happened. Instead, we get Romneycare which has already been shown not to work in Massachusetts.

    And guess what? The Republicans were all for it.
     
  10. chrmjenkins macrumors 603

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    It's okay, patients are used to fighting all of these in efforts to simply get coverage for care that could easily prevent their deaths in the face of pre-existing conditions, caps, and outright denials of coverage based on the bottom line.
     
  11. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Also funny is that the rest of the world has proven that out capitalistic approach to health care is far more wasteful than a public approach. But hey- don't let a little thing like the truth get in the way of ideology. :rolleyes:
     
  12. yojitani macrumors 68000

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    What might be useful here is a little context. How does this level of complexity compare with other, comparable, government run operations? Of course there's going to be a lot of complexity and it's going to be bureaucratic, it involves millions of people. Also, the graphic appears to have been designed either to intimidate or to squash as much information as possible on a page. I'm sure there are more effective ways of presenting this information. Remember, cartography is not a neutral art!

    It seems unrealistic to me to expect healthcare to 'just work' right out of the box. I expect lots of bumps and setbacks over the 5 - 10 years after the bill comes into effect. That's the nature of it, IMHO.
     
  13. Cave Man macrumors 604

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    Gosh, and all this time I thought it would just be Sebelius issuing checks. I was soooo naive. :rolleyes:
     
  14. djellison macrumors 68020

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    It's a bureaucratic mess because that's what it had to become to get through.

    The medical system in the USA needs ripping up, turning the UHC which WORKS like in Europe, and then if people want their own private healthcare on top, they can still get it.
     
  15. .Andy macrumors 68030

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    Is a complex health system graphic meant to look scary? Is this the kind of thing that scares libertarians? As its mentioned above health systems are incredibly complex. Even a full public system still will be incredibly complex.

    You could produce a graphic that shows all the services a single diabetic requires and it would be just as involved.
     
  16. CaptMurdock macrumors 6502a

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    And the sad thing is, this will still be an improvement on what we have had to endure for decades.

    Private industry had more than enough time to fix the problem. They did nothing.
     
  17. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Nope- they just kept on taking the money.
     
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    I don't think you could drown laying face down in the depth of knowledge that is fivepoint's on this subject. :rolleyes:
     
  19. leekohler macrumors G5

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    What's to know? It SOCIALISM! :rolleyes::)
     
  20. chrmjenkins macrumors 603

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    I hope to one day be able to tell me kids that it's actually socialism, and not the boogey man, hiding in their closets at night. Nothing is more scary than health care for everyone.
     
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    Didn't you read the part where the actual chart is much bigger? I'm sure it's complete with hellfire, damnation and cohabiting dogs and cats as well.
     
  23. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    Of course, the chart is edited.

    Here is the original, unedited version:

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    ...and here is what it looks like when you fold it up:

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  24. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    Surely if you're a big business not in healthcare you desperately want real reform, UHC etc. etc?
     
  25. zioxide macrumors 603

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    You do realize that Congress were the ones who authored the healthcare bill? What we got was a ****** compromise so that the legislation would actually pass. The only thing Obama did is sign the bill in to law.


    You really should learn how our government actually works. The legislative branch makes all of the new laws and legislation. Blaming Obama for everything that Congress does just makes you look like a ****ing retard who's just stretching for reasons to hate Obama.
     

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