Your Thoughts On GTA: San Andreas "Hot Coffee" Content

Discussion in 'Games' started by Macamus Prime, Jul 16, 2005.

  1. Macamus Prime macrumors regular

    Feb 24, 2005
    I am sure you have all read about the "Hot Coffee" mod for GTA. If not, Google it - its out there.

    - It 1st started off as it being a hack mod for the PC version of GTA: San Andreas. I 1st saw it on G4's Attack Of The Show. Many people called it a fake. But, it is indeed real.

    - Rockstar denies they put ANY "Hot Coffee" content in the game.

    - proved, with the use of Gameshark codes, the content is available from the PS2 version. Meaning, Rockstar put this content in there - on purpose. Any claims that this is the work of hackers, are not valid.

    - XBox GTA may not have this content accessable, because when you open the CD tray, the game gets wiped from the system memory - thus removing any possibility of messing with GTA, via Gameshark method. Maybe someone has a modded XBox that can access this content.

    - Lots of Government Officials (including Sen. Clinton) are getting geared up to take on Rockstar for this.

    OK. Rockstar creates a franchise that basically revolutionizes the game industry. Anything with GTA on it will sell. You may hate the content, but the mechanics and the sandbox gameplay is unmatched. People love these games and will buy them. Why jepordize your success with something like this?

    There is even talk that the content was put in there, then leaked on purpose to hackers to get it out in the open. If this is true - it's pretty cheap.

    I think it would have been better if they left the content in and let the ERSB give it whatever rating it deserves. Given that Rockstar claims the content was there via hackers and modders and then being proven its in the PS2 version, makes Rockstar look bad. They lied.

    I don't think Rockstar will get shut down, but their rep and image is not so good. It no longer feels like they want to make great games for us. If feels like they are looking for trouble and just want to push buttons.
  2. Jedda macrumors regular


    Nov 19, 2003
    Simple. One of Rockstar's programmers snuck it in.

    It's not the job of a hacker - it's available in the PS2 version too.

    It's not a big deal whatsoever. In a game where you are free to decapitate grandmothers with chainsaws and then pound their corpses with a baseball bat, splattering blood on the sidewalk, i cant see the real issue with having hidden pornography.

    That said, the content's classification as "pr0n" is debatable in my mind. If there are any australians in here, they will understand what i mean when i say it's like a 10pm SBS movie. The only thing it really is is suggestive movement and positioning,

    I'm not sure of the politics side of it it all, but whoever is going after them about it is just witch-hunting to gain public approval in my opinion.

    This whole debate is a joke, however, i do agree that minors should be blocked from playing this game. It is incredibly violent, and only suitable for people 17 and up.
  3. crazzyeddie macrumors 68030


    Dec 7, 2002
    Florida, USA
    Eh, this is really only an issue because of the prudeness of the United States. In Europe this might be frowned upon because it was hidden and not made clear to parents/consumers when it was sold, but only here will they be taken to court and made into a media circus. The entire concept behind GTA was resisted heavily, heck, even my parents who know nothing about computer games know what "Grand Theft Auto" and "GTA" are...
  4. ham_man macrumors 68020


    Jan 21, 2005
    I think that our legislators should be doing something more important than trying to censor a game that was meant for mature audiences only (17+) in the first place...
  5. GFLPraxis macrumors 604


    Mar 17, 2004
    Grand Theft Auto should have been rated Adults Only in the first place. If this finally lets them push it to that rating, then good luck to the government officials.
  6. Agathon macrumors 6502a


    Jan 19, 2004
    Seen it. It's lame. Only a pathetic prig would worry about it. You see worse on TV. If people are going to let their kids play a violent, sadistic game like that and then get all moral about a bit of sex, they're stupid.
  7. Cuckoo macrumors 6502

    May 2, 2003
    The Netherlands - Utrecht
    I really don't see what's all the fuzz about.

    And i don't think parents can blame rockstar. It's the job of the parent to pay attention to their children. It's not rockstars responcibility.

    As it seems, we're living in the era where we can all stop thinking and go ahead and blame others...

    That are my thoughts...
  8. LethalWolfe macrumors G3


    Jan 11, 2002
    Los Angeles
    My thought's exactly.

    Stealing, beating, & murdering are all perfectly okay. But put some T&A into the mix and sweet jesus won't someone think of the children. :rolleyes:
    That is so messed up, warped, and wrong it's not even funny. Generally speaking the morals of this country are so bent out of shape it's not even funny.

    The worst part about it is the time and money politicians waste on this pointless crap. Like there aren't bigger things to worry about in this world than polygonal T&A...

  9. mad jew Moderator emeritus

    mad jew

    Apr 3, 2004
    Adelaide, Australia

    I agree. No real problems considering what else you can do in this game.

    Nice analogy. Sex Between Soccer. :D
  10. unfaded macrumors 6502

    Dec 12, 2002
    Seattle, WA
    Well certainly this is the only thing on the face of this earth that will force people into having sex.

    What? Are you kidding me? Who cares?!!?!?!?!?!
  11. Macamus Prime thread starter macrumors regular

    Feb 24, 2005
    In the US, they made a big deal out of Janet Jackson showing her boob. And it was covered. Well, thats how things are here.

    I personally think its just cheesy and cheap to include this, deny it and then release the info to "hackers". That last part may not be true - but the fact of having in there and then saying its not, is what gets me.

    If this was the work of one programmer or a small group that snuck it in, then the ones blaimed for it will be scape goats and they themselves will lash out. Thats when things will get really nasty and sticky for Rockstar.
  12. iPoster macrumors regular

    Mar 29, 2005
    Off I40/I85, near the Cracker Barrel
    IMHO, this is getting blown way out of proportion by a few politicians who want to make headlines. If this had happened with an E or T rated game, I could see getting upset about it. This kind of thing has been around since computer games began, and it is an M rated game anyway.

    Back in the late 90's a friend of mine had an FF/Anime style adventure game, that you could enter a code and all the women you talked to would be naked in a henatai style. Was there a big outrage? No, in fact I can't even remember the name of the game.

    Much ado about nothing.... :rolleyes:
  13. keysersoze macrumors 68000


    Jan 6, 2004
    Anyone play God of War? There's more nudity in that, then in GTA SA.
  14. Lacero macrumors 604


    Jan 20, 2005
    This goes right to the top of management. They got cocky. Wanted to add some sex into their game and now it's coming back to bite them hard in the petunias.
  15. hvfsl macrumors 68000


    Jul 9, 2001
    London, UK
    I think Rockstar originally planned for it to be part of the game, but someone (maybe someone in the company or one of the censors) told the programmers to get rid of it because it would cause too many problems.

    However, instead of deleting it, they got rid of the code which activated it. This happens quite a lot in games, you can often find de-activated things the developers decided not to add to the final version of the game, in the game files.
  16. iDM macrumors 6502a


    Jul 6, 2005
    The Commonwealth of PA/The First State-DE
    I haven't seen it in action, I have played San Adreas however and loved it. I loved Vice City and Liberty City, there were times I couldn't believe some of the stuff they put in there. This whole sex mod sounds a little ridiculous even to me, regardless of the 17+ rating I still don't think they should have blatant sex acts, kids still play these games. How many parents do you think blindly buy these games for the kids without even looking at the ratings? I know that falls on the parents for not being responsible, but I think even "good" parents are more in a rush to get the game the kids want, not look at the ratings. If whatever it takes is only a mod then I believe it was built into the game and therefore meant to be accessed by all the kids with the resources to mod there PS2.

    In liberty city when you would take the prosititure to a dark part of town and the car would rock, I thought that's it, it can go no further. Apparently with this addition thought they have stepped over the line IMO(My opinon however counts for nothing on this issue.) ;)

    The game ratings were always for violence blood destruction. With sex being thrown into the mix(not implied sex, but Blatant in your face) I think this changes things. Would it be that hard for RockStar to keep making these awesome games, still have people buy them, but not include visual sex acts.
  17. Applespider macrumors G4


    Jan 20, 2004
    looking through rose-tinted spectacles...
    To be honest, when I saw the screen capture of the mod, I laughed.

    I'm sorry but you have to be a very sad individual to get excitement from pushing a joystick to pump faster in an electronic game... ;)
  18. Poff macrumors 65816


    Sep 16, 2003
    Stavanger, Norway
    I guess it can be exciting to a 12-year old, just like the C64 sex games used to be. After all, a large portion of the people playing GTA are 12-year-olds, and the game is gonna sell even more now.. :rolleyes:
  19. Yvan256 macrumors 603


    Jul 5, 2004
    Which is exactly the problem in the first place: those 12-year-olds shouldn't be playing the game at all (that is, if their parents did any parenting, as they should be doing).
  20. Poff macrumors 65816


    Sep 16, 2003
    Stavanger, Norway
    I totally agree. Problem here in Norway is that noone in the shops looks at your age when you buy computer games. So a 9-year old can easily buy a game rated 18+.
  21. rainman::|:| macrumors 603


    Feb 2, 2002
    "oh no! boobies! Everyone to the bomb shelter, kids first!"

  22. PlaceofDis macrumors Core

    Jan 6, 2004
    so true, especially here in the good ol USA......come one people, sex is a part of life, there is nothing wrong with it... this is going way overboard
  23. Whyren macrumors 6502a


    Jun 3, 2004
    east of the West and west of the East
    Censorship is so bizarre in the US I can't believe it. I bought Perfect Dark and Duke Nukem (M, 17+) before I reached 17 without any hassle ('course this is before they supposedly "cracked down" on this). I assume those games were rated that because of some bloody violence, a little suggestive material (though the N64 version of Nukem had most of it filtered), and a couple of minor swear words. OK. So how does "f***" work it's way into a PG-13 rating? Because they only say it a few times :confused:. But when parents bring their scared-to-death 3-year-old into "Chronicles of Riddick"...yes I'm sure there could be excuses made, but still.

    Anyway, my tiny rant for the day.
  24. LethalWolfe macrumors G3


    Jan 11, 2002
    Los Angeles
    It's a rate 17+ game.

    Are people shocked/pissed when their child sees a rated R movie and the movie has nudity and sex in it?

    Same concept, no?

    If you don't let your child watch rated R movies then don't let them play "rated R" games. If you let your child watch rated R movies what's wrong w/letting them play rated R games?

    Granted enforcement probably varies, but when I've worked at blockbuste it was store policy to enforce the ratings. I mean, if a 13yr walked up to the counter w/a copy of GTA we weren't allowed to sell/rent it to the kid (if you did and got caught you'd get written up). AFAIK this is common practice.

    So if little bobby's parents are mad that he has GTA it's either 'cause they screwed up and bought him the game, or 'cause a clerk screwed up and sold him the game. Neither of which is the developer's fault.

    The average age of a gamer is, what, late 20's early 30's right? What's wrong w/making some games w/adult themes when, by and large, adults are going to the ones playing them?

  25. Phat_Pat macrumors 68000


    May 8, 2004
    I Live Where I Live
    Can i have a link to where it was proven to where the code was actually put into the game by Rockstar cause the last i heard they were still unsure.... thanks

    anyways people need to get over it. You have to be over 17 to even think about buying it. Parents who get pissed off about what there kids are playing should be given a proper parenting class session.

    The only reason those kids have it is because the parents bought it.

    Also The game shouldn't be rated AO. THe back of the box very clearly states that this game has Strong Sexual Themes.

    If parents don't think this is the truth than they are complete idiots.

    The game was rated M for

    Blood and Gore
    Intense Violence
    Strong Language
    Strong Sexual Content
    And Use of Drugs.

    Each have which been clearly stated on the back of the box. Parents who ignore the rating and the cover/images on the back which shows gang members doing a drive by are the exact people who blame video games and movies to corrupt and ruin children, when it is actually themselves who ignore the proper warnings and allow younger children to play games designed for adults.

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