You're a ********er.

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This is why we need LGBT people as a protected class.

Just this week, House Republicans blocked an attempt by Rep. Jared Polis (D-CO) to advance the Equality Act, which would create nationwide LGBT nondiscrimination protections. A Missouri appeals court decision this week demonstrates exactly why such legislation is necessary.

In a 2-1 decision Tuesday, the Western District Missouri Court of Appeals ruled against James Pittman, who had sued Cook Paper Recycling Corp. for discriminating against him for being gay. Though the direct harassment and overall hostile environment was well documented in the case, the court could offer Pittman no relief. “Because the Missouri Human Rights Act does not prohibit discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation,” the majority wrote, “we affirm the circuit court’s judgment dismissing Pittman’s petition for failure to state a claim.”

While working for Cook Paper, Pittman was told that he was a “********er” and subjected to other comments of a sexual nature. He was asked if he had AIDS. He was harassed for having a same-sex partner, and was mocked when that relationship ended. The workplace was, as Pittman described it, “an objectively hostile and abusive environment.” Cook Paper ultimately fired him.
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/10/30/3717515/missouri-discrimination-ruling/
 

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No we don't. They should already be protected just like non LGBT people.
We should consider someone classified as a protected class when they're a minority community facing active discrimination, and should remain as such until it's no longer necessary. As the article illustrates, right now it's kinda needed for the LGBT community.
 

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We should consider someone classified as a protected class when they're a minority community facing active discrimination, and should remain as such until it's no longer necessary. As the article illustrates, right now it's kinda needed for the LGBT community.
WHY? hard to be "equal" when we are continually separated, by adding qualifiers? are the crimes different if you are a straight Caucasian VS a gay minority? we all bleed the same .
 
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skottichan

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WHY? hard to be "equal" when we are continually separated, by adding qualifiers? are the crimes different if you are a straight Caucasian VS a gay minority? we all bleed the same .
Yes, there needs to be protection because straight caucasians generally don't face oppression from employers, other citizens or the government itself. That's why racial minorities and non-christians are protected classes, because there's a pretty clear history in this country that they need protected.

There are 32 states where it's legal to fire someone because of their gender identification or being transgender. 26 states, it's still perfectly legal to fire someone for being gay. You cannot fire a person based on race (which includes white) and religion (which includes Christian).
 

WarHeadz

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This sounds to me less like discrimination and more like people being jerks to him. Still not okay, but being a "protected class" doesn't seem like it would have helped him.
How wouldn't it have helped him? The employer would have lost the discrimination lawsuit. He was discriminated based on his sexual orientation and it was well documented. He would have been able to get relief if sexual orientation were a protected class along with race, gender, and religion.

Making sexual orientation a protected class would have been the silver bullet needed in this case. Hopefully this is addressed by federal legislation in the near future.
 
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WarHeadz

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WHY? hard to be "equal" when we are continually separated, by adding qualifiers? are the crimes different if you are a straight Caucasian VS a gay minority? we all bleed the same .
If the straight Caucasian were fired for being straight or Caucasian, that would be equally wrong and they would be equally protected by making sexual orientation a protected class. It wouldn't only protect gay people, it would protect straight people too. Just because one of those groups needs protection more than the other, doesn't make it any less equal.
 

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WHY? hard to be "equal" when we are continually separated, by adding qualifiers? are the crimes different if you are a straight Caucasian VS a gay minority? we all bleed the same .
Yet people don't treat other people the same. That's the telling lack.

BL.
 

WarHeadz

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No we don't. They should already be protected just like non LGBT people.
But they're not...

For the record, in my state the employer would have lost this lawsuit. Sexual orientation is a protected class here. Which for me is critical. I honestly wouldn't move to a state where I can be fired for being gay and I pity any gay people who are forced to live in those states because of circumstances outside of their control.
 

jkcerda

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If the straight Caucasian were fired for being straight or Caucasian, that would be equally wrong and they would be equally protected by making sexual orientation a protected class. It wouldn't only protect gay people, it would protect straight people too. Just because one of those groups needs protection more than the other, doesn't make it any less equal.
this guy was harassed, we have laws against that already.
 

edk99

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Yes, there needs to be protection because straight caucasians generally don't face oppression from employers, other citizens or the government itself. That's why racial minorities and non-christians are protected classes, because there's a pretty clear history in this country that they need protected.

There are 32 states where it's legal to fire someone because of their gender identification or being transgender. 26 states, it's still perfectly legal to fire someone for being gay. You cannot fire a person based on race (which includes white) and religion (which includes Christian).
In Florida it is perfectly legal for an employer to fire you for absolutely no reason at all. Of course if there is evidence that you are being fired for one of the federally protected classes or characteristics then that is illegal. So if you are gay, I fire you and there is no evidence, documentation or witnesses and so on, you are SOL no matter what you may think you're being fired for. Same goes for a straight caucasian christian.
 

WarHeadz

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If he refiles his case in federal court, he will likely win. The Federal courts will likely consider discrimination based on sexual orientation akin to sex discrimination. That's the route I would have went, not sure why he bothered with state courts in Missouri.
 

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In Florida it is perfectly legal for an employer to fire you for absolutely no reason at all. Of course if there is evidence that you are being fired for one of the federally protected classes or characteristics then that is illegal. So if you are gay, I fire you and there is no evidence, documentation or witnesses and so on, you are SOL no matter what you may think you're being fired for. Same goes for a straight caucasian christian.
So just because someone can do it and get away with it if they hide it good enough, it should be legal? Let's legalize everything!!

Looks like the court in this case agreed that his discrimination was well documented. The employer wouldn't have gotten away with this if sexual orientation were protected. They were very sympathetic to the plaintiff but their hands were tied by state law.
 

jkcerda

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No. He was discriminated against in the work place and fired for his sexual orientation. That's beyond harassment, it's discrimination. But discrimination based on sexual orientation is legal in his state. You honestly don't see the issue here?
regardless of his sexual orientation the man was discriminated against, are there no laws that deal with the discrimination he suffered?
 

WarHeadz

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regardless of his sexual orientation the man was discriminated against, are there no laws that deal with the discrimination he suffered?
Nope. Cold hard truth

And this was actually a very sympathetic panel of judges, if they found a possible way to offer him relief under the law they would have.
 

jerwin

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No we don't. They should already be protected just like non LGBT people.
We can't protect 100% of the people all the time, and so society has prioritized the people who don't identify as LGBT.

Most lives matter!