YouTube Bans Firearms Demo Videos, Entering the Gun Control Debate

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    The only reason I know how to properly care for my firearms are instructional and DIY YouTube videos. No amount of "DIY" on a sporting gun is going to make it more lethal, short of modifying it to be fully-automatic (which is both extremely difficult to do properly and incredibly illegal). Also, there are no “sales” over YouTube, anyone who thinks otherwise is either dumb as a rock or doesn’t have an internet connection. What they banned was links to websites that *legally* sell firearms and accessories. I have no idea what purpose that serves other than to just be anti-gun.

    There is nothing 18+ about watching Hickok45 talk about the history of firearms and shoot watermelons. If you disagree with me on that, then I shudder to think what your reaction would be to the 12 year old girls participating in 3-gun competitions. People seriously need to stop being such weenies and so easily manipulated by activist corporate executives.

    There’s only one reason why Google has bestowed these illogical new rules on the YouTube platform: because YouTube is a major hub for shooting sports discussion and outdoors enthusiasts.
     
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    labeling something as 18+ ain't gonna help anyone..Just like u can get round it in real life (a bit harder to proof,) but online it's very easy.. All you gotta do is "lie"

    Youtube could include this gun videos as (18+), but how far do you go ? 18+ is classified us raunchy stuff, but does this expand to any type of video that has noting to do with.? All does is help the situation.... It may deny a few if they can't see these videos, but lets face it, Youtube is not the only site out there. They'd get the info anyway
     
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    I don't see any problem. YouTube is a private entity and can do what they want with their service. People can find an alternative service to post there video. Granted they won't find as large an audience as YouTube provides. Frankly, I find 99% of the stuff posted on YouTube pure garbage, most of them product reviews or people being stupid.
    Anyhow, it's their house, their rules.
     
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    Generally as a libertarian leaning person I'd agree with this sentiment. However, Google and Facebook have done a lot in their power to keep themselves as the two primary forms of speech on the Internet. They effectively have a duopoly over digital speech.

    Take for example the net neutrality debate. People wanted net neutrality to protect certain content from being filtered by ISP's (which are also private entities), but not with respect to private platforms like YouTube or Twitter. The latter actually makes much more sense to me personally. Then again, the way "net neutrality" was actually written it provided neither of those protections, especially after the judicial branch gutted it in 2014.

    I'd support a version of net-neutrality that keeps Silicon Valley mega-corps from shuttering out mainstream liberals or conservatives, and people like YouTube creators whose channels are focused on legal activities like shooting sports. That is, at least until Internet communication becomes vastly more decentralized.
     
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    Lets ban hollywood movies with guns and video games too.
     
  8. samcraig thread starter macrumors P6

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    Why do you want to ban hollywood movies with video games ;)

    Also - a bit different, no?
     
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    It's Youtube's fuçk up, but whatever. Now the content is being moved to Pørnhub. Quite honestly, they have the infrastructure already in place, they could actually end up creating a rival mainstream video hosting platform.
     
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    YouTube is an incredible resource for all sorts of instructional information.

    If you want to learn how to sew piping onto a cushion, if you want to learn how to play a guitar solo, or change the brake pads on your Hyundai Sonata - YouTube is the place to go. I know this from personal experience.

    Its also the place to go to learn about chemistry. Or machining steel. Or how ballistics work. Or what makes a bridge stay up, or fall down.

    And I'm concerned about restricting the flow of that sort of information.
     
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    I always thought there was something
    Well that just reinforces the people who refer to gun nuts as ammosexuals....
     
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    It is disappointing that assembly videos are banned.

    The Ruger MKII in particular is very difficult to reassemble after cleaning, even with the product manual in hand. It used to be that any time someone walks into a gun store with a lunch sack full of gun parts, it's a Ruger MKII that he needs help with putting back together. YouTube instructional videos ended that problem quite effectively.

    YouTube normally resists pressure to remove entire video topics, and there are very few things outright banned. But guns have become so successfully demonized that apparently if I make a video of how to reassemble a firearm after cleaning it, the video will be in the same class as terrorism recruitment and child porn.
     
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    And no more armed bodyguards for the famous people.
     
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    Wow. I agree. I can understand not wanting to promote dangerous modifications and behaviors, but banning all gun related videos is a bit extreme.

    It certainly does create a slippery slope, especially considering YouTube is the largest video sharing platform and is already facing controversy for demonetizing certain political viewpoints. When it comes to demonitization believe me, I think the world would be a better place without people like Alex Jones but there has to be a better solution- like advertisers being able to opt out of certain channels.

    There is a second slippery slope, one I think is even more significant, which is owner/sister company Google also adopting this philosophy and applying it to their search engine and other products.

    It is a free market economy though and YouTube is a private company who can make their own policies. If YouTube starts to alienate people, some other company can step in and take their old clients. It’s just too bad since YouTube is essentially a monopoly in their service.
     
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    I'm in favour of this. If you have a gun you should be taught how to use it by direct instructor-to-pupil contact, not from some video you've stumbled across on the Internet. Even the most hardened firearm fetishist has to admit that guns are stupidly dangerous if the handler does not know what they're doing.

    So personally I think replacing all gun instruction videos on the Internet with messages saying "please contact your local gun range for tuition" is a good approach.

    This isn't like learning a guitar solo, or improving your golf swing. You mess up with a firearm and people get seriously hurt, maybe even yourself.
     
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    If Net Neutrality were to come up again, do you think it could be argued that services like YouTube and social media platforms could be considered common carriers?
     

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