Zimbabwe Park to Cull 200 Lions, Cites Lack of Hunters

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  1. jkcerda macrumors 6502

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    http://www.outdoorhub.com/news/2016...-cites-lack-of-hunters/#.V-mTnKPprOw.facebook
    oh well, hope they find the means to manage themselves.
     
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    why not send them to zoos? not a huge fan of zoos, but better than straight killing them
     
  3. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Zoo's have to keep them in check as well, there was something about "born/raised" in captivity that came into play a long time ago IIRC .
     
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    o ya true. i think those born in a zoo would be killed by transported animals maybe? either way i don't see how killing them should be an option
     
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    they starve to death, or they decimate the rest of the species in the reserve while trying to stay alive. not pretty either way :(
     
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    there are plenty of brave hunters that can shoot them. the ones that use other people to do all the work. trump where are you??? sell tickets for a lot of money and make rich hunters feel all brave.
     
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    why don't you try reading the link for once?
     
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    If they do allow them to be hunted they should charge a very large amount to ensure that the preserve has plenty of revenue.
     
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    read the link Steve :mad:......................................
     
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    I misunderstood. I thought the poachers helped keep the lions in check, not legitimate hunters.
     
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    It's called "The Cecil Effect", leading to killing up to 200 lions.

    http://www.wideopenspaces.com/zimbabwe-may-cull-200-lions-due-cecil-effect-outrage-now/

    "...the conservancy is now suffering from a severe overpopulation of lions and may have to cull up to 200 lions this year to keep the population at a sustainable level."

    Additionally, Botswana has outlawed hunting on public land. Reported lion kills by villagers, up by at least 50%; unreported = an unknown additional number. And elephant poaching is up.
     
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    Just send in the Trump boys...

    Making Africa Great Again.


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    I did get those rich hunters like trump junior out there I am sure there are plenty of those fantastic brave hunters you just have to sell it right . hide the camera's so they can do it in the freedom they crave to kill.hell why don't you go for it? better then shooting at targets. maybe they should pay hunters???
     
  14. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Canned hunts have never been my cup of tea.
     
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    well you do shoot at targets what do you call that???
     
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    How does this stuff continue to be recycled? Keep googling. Both the "reserve" and what was actually said at their board meetings.
     
  17. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502

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    3-D shooting
     
  18. Desertrat macrumors newbie

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    ibookg409, before all the brouhaha over Cecil, the fee for a permit to hunt a lion was at least $30,000. A part of that money went to the local villagers. With the decline in hunting, the lion population has grown--to the detriment of the villagers' livestock. So, a double hickey: No money from hunters' fees and less to eat.

    Game warden money is also reduced. Another factor in all this is that local villagers get no money from photo safaris. Basically, it's hunters' money which maintains the viability of wildlife populations. No different in Africa than in the US.

    Botswana has just ended all hunting on public lands. Reported lion kills by villagers are up by 50%; it's unknown how many more have been killed that haven't been reported. Again, when there's no hunter money to villagers, livestock becomes far more valuable than lions. When villagers no longer have a vested interest in wildlife, they don't act to protect against poaching--which has now begun against elephants.

    For some reason it's difficult for some people to understand that hunters can only take--kill--from a limited number of the surplus of a game species population. Think of it as spending part of the interest on capital. We can only take part of this surplus, as disease, thirst or starvation is the other "taker". We don't spend our capital. This controlled approach ensures future viability of wildlife populations--except for the expansion of farm land and urban development. Habitat loss is the true enemy, not the hunter.
     
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    Kinda like masturbation verses sex???
     
  20. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Close enough.
     
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    Look I agree with you. And actually so do many environmentalists. The book on the West Highland Way in Scotland makes a similar point about deer stalking.

    But that doesn't mean you can shoot a famous lion. It was irresponsible. And American gun owners refusal to take any steps to make their hobby safer in light of school shootings etc makes gun owners worldwide look stupid.
     
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    It's a shame about the lions, but Zimbabwe is the least concern for the USA right now. Let the people of that country take care of their decrepit leader first. Once that's taken care of, maybe the country will become better stewards of animal welfare as well as human welfare.
     
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    I thought the US was in the business of ousting tin pot dictators.;) We only give lip service to human rights/human welfare. We are allies with one of the worst human rights violators in the world, the Saudis.:mad: The only reason we stand by and do nothing is because Zimbabwe doesn't have any resources we want. I guarantee you if someone found the mother load of gold/platinum/titanium/oil, we would be playing kingmaker in that African nation.
     
  24. Desertrat macrumors newbie

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    Trouble is, Eraserhead, the hunter had no clue about Cecil being famous. Blame should have been restricted to the guide(s) who set up the hunt. Instead, the hunter got death threats; hunters-in-general were castigated by some here in this forum.
     

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