Zuning it: Microsoft reportedly plans to lay off hundreds of employees

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    http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-reportedly-plans-to-lay-off-hundreds-of-employees

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...organization-of-marketing-job-reductions.html

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    Ever been to a casino and see someone in this all-too-familiar situation? They start losing money. The "strategy" isn't working. They don't stand up and walk, but keep throwing in more and more money, chasing after what's already gone.

    Microsoft is in a very familiar situation, one that a lot of industry players face: spending resources to stay in a game they don't actually understand.

    But this move is nothing new for MS. It's another in a long string of "chasing after" what's already long gone.

    Barry Ritholtz puts it best:

    http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2012/01/microsoft-value-traps-and-the-paradigm-shift/

    And on top of all that:

    http://www.minyanville.com/business...floods-hard-drive-shortage/1/11/2012/id/38806

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    It all boils down to this:

    Microsoft is a company of lions led by donkeys. It's not the employees that need laying off. It's the management (and that includes Elop.)
     
  2. DingleButt macrumors regular

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    Perfect. They needed some real change in that department.

    BTW Elop isn't Microsoft and your "Zuning it" tag line means nothing in this thread.
     
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    Is it wrong to associate Microsoft with Nokia at this juncture? Absolutely not. Those two are joined at the hip now. "The Two Steves" (in contrast to THE Steve) don't seem to know what they're doing.

    Nor is marketing the answer to their problems.
     
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    Good. Microsoft's PR department is a joke. At this point, laying off their entire PR department is a potential PR stunt.
     
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    Whilst their PR has been terrible, that's not the staffs fault, they're led by crappy management as already said, it's not the 500 employees fault, it's the 5 managers who tell the 500 employees what to do every step of the way, throwing out one set of mindless drones and replacing them with another is going to do nothing, the same crappy management is in charge. Nothing will change.
     
  6. smoledman macrumors 68000

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    This is why Microsoft will fail. Any company needs a visionary at CEO to thrive and Ballmer is a bean-counting joke.
     
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    They're doing horribly, aren't they?
     
  8. smoledman macrumors 68000

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    Considering they haven't brought a new massive profit engine online in over a decade, yeah.
     
  9. AppleScruff1 macrumors G3

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    Even though they had record profits last quarter? And the most popular operating system in history with Windows 7? Yea, they're really on the verge of bankruptcy.
     
  10. *LTD* thread starter macrumors G4

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    I don't think he means "fail" as in bankruptcy. He's referring to MS' slide into irrelevance amid new market realities which have got them by the short and curlies. It's happening before our very eyes.
     
  11. AppleScruff1 macrumors G3

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    Yea, it really looks that way. :rolleyes:
     
  12. smoledman macrumors 68000

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    Sure everything looks hunky dory for MSFTies at the moment if you just look at their EBITA #s, but those numbers are set to plummet very soon. I can see a shell of MSFT continuing on, but not this bloated thing.
     
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    This has been on the cards for a long time, but anyone who thinks MS are on the rocks is deluded to say the least.

    I have no Windows products except one copy of Office for mac....Even that is full of bugs. The corporate market is not going to jump into Apple products over night.

    Consider a medium sized business with 200+ PC installations, bulk licensing on Server software, Office etc.

    The initial cost of the switch, coupled with inevitable teething issues AND compatibility with its clients make the change unappealing on the surface.

    What MS is losing is its home market...it lost me, and quite a few friends a long time back, Sick and tired of the rip off. If Windows 8 does not deliver a better user expeirience, then more will leave.

    Is the tide turning? Yes. But it's a slow process.
     
  14. AppleScruff1 macrumors G3

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    Windows 7 delivers a good user experience.
     
  15. Macman45 macrumors demi-god

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    Well, if you say so, I have to disagree. But that discussion is for another thread!

    Updates, AV, Anti malware etc, not to mention the bloated code and constant updates make it an unpleasant expeirience for me at least.
     
  16. AppleScruff1 macrumors G3

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    It may be for you, but there is ample evidence to the contrary. The updates are quite painless for Windows and have been since XP, IMHO. I'm not too bright so bloated code doesn't affect me. You do need a good av/anti malware program but there are a few excellent choices that require almost no user interaction and are virtually bulletproof.

    This is not a knock on OSX at all. I feel that Windows 7 is every bit as good as OSX.
     
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    I woul start a poll, but it would be unfair to do so here.....OSX would come out on top for obvious reasons.

    May do a satisfaction survey on another Windows site though.....Now back to the topic in hand
     
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    I hate to see more people lose their jobs. The last 3+ years have been hard for millions of families in the US and around the world.
     
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    "We have to let go of the notion that for Apple to win, Microsoft has to lose."
     
  20. boss.king macrumors 68040

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    I don't know about that. MSFT looks to be lining up to take on Apple at the vertical integration game and give them a good scare. All their platforms will soon be linked very tightly and be able to share apps and media to a degree iOS and OSX should really have been able to for a while. Combine that with a full UI overhaul for 2 of their platforms and an incredibly promising mobile OS, and a horde of tablets ranging from low end to full on laptop replacements just to top it off, I'd say they have a pretty solid vision of wherethey want to go in the next few years.
     
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    Zuning

    I don't see the point of arguing over Apple vs. _______. When you're on your deathbed, will you wished you'd convinced more people you were right?
     
  22. smoledman macrumors 68000

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    The reason for Apple's dominance is 4 pillars that they fully control:

    hardware, software, ecosystem & retail experience. Microsoft has software, ecosystem and they're building out the retail part with MS stores(only 11 so far). But they don't make the PC, phone or tablet hardware. That's not a problem if they can have a designated OEM that makes "premium" Windows machines whether they be phone, PC or tablets. But Microsoft is realistically the only company that can have any chance to prevent Apple from completely dominating this decade.
     
  23. boss.king macrumors 68040

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    I see that as a strength though. Apple offers great hardware, but they don't offer variety. That's what the MSFT model allows for and many like that. I think as MSFT rolls out Windows 8 we will see more premium hardware options such as the Vizio hardware showed at CES. More and more, OEMs are are realizing that premium hardware is a good thing to offer, and I really feel that the first major player to offer a solid premium range (pro, home, laptop, tablet, and even phone) will have amazing success.
     
  24. Bernard SG macrumors 65816

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    We visibly have different definitions of "vertical integration".
     
  25. boss.king macrumors 68040

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    How so?
     

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