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benwa02
Dec 11, 2004, 12:58 PM
Why does Apple make people pay for an upgrade like Tiger? Its not a new OS is it? Couple reasons im mad is because ill be buying a new PM G5 in January and it obviously wont have Tiger in it then few months Tiger will be out. Then I would have to pay for this upgrade to utilize 64-bit when i just bought a new machine. I dont feel like waiting for Tiger to be put in the PM's, its hard enough to wait till January. Then i will have finally made the switch from PC-->Mac.


munkle
Dec 11, 2004, 01:05 PM
Why does Apple make people pay for an upgrade like Tiger? Its not a new OS

How is it not a new OS pleb?
kerb
Dec 11, 2004, 01:08 PM
By that logic Win 95, 98 and 2000 are the same OS.
Mord
Dec 11, 2004, 01:10 PM
it's windows 95, 98, ME.

NT 2000 2003 and XP are another group of m$ OS's that share the same fundamental core.
benwa02
Dec 11, 2004, 01:11 PM
im sorry i thought it was an upgrade. not a new OS
Blackheart
Dec 11, 2004, 01:34 PM
im sorry i thought it was an upgrade. not a new OS

You can check out some of the new features that will be added here:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/
grapes911
Dec 11, 2004, 02:26 PM
im sorry i thought it was an upgrade. not a new OS

An example of an upgrade would be 10.3.4 to 10.3.5
andiwm2003
Dec 11, 2004, 03:15 PM
Why does Apple make people pay for an upgrade like Tiger? Its not a new OS is it? Couple reasons im mad is because ill be buying a new PM G5 in January and it obviously wont have Tiger in it then few months Tiger will be out. Then I would have to pay for this upgrade to utilize 64-bit when i just bought a new machine. I dont feel like waiting for Tiger to be put in the PM's, its hard enough to wait till January. Then i will have finally made the switch from PC-->Mac.

if you get your pm g5 in january and tiger is released let's say in april i recommend to wait for tiger 10.4.2 anyway. that gives the big guys here at the forum time to play around with it, find the bugs :eek: and you upgrade in august to a robust system :p . so there are 7-8 month between buying your pm and buying tiger. thats at least my plan for an imac g5 rev.b. i hope they release it still with panther 10.3.7. :D
kerb
Dec 11, 2004, 03:37 PM
it's windows 95, 98, ME.

NT 2000 2003 and XP are another group of m$ OS's that share the same fundamental core.

sorry sir, you're correct
Mord
Dec 11, 2004, 03:54 PM
the 95, 98, 98se, ME (my excrement edition) versions of windows are called the 9x OS's the NT 2000 2003 XP are based on a NT kernel repackaged with bit's bodged on (like a fisher price theme and support for 8 cpu's) in other words the bollocks series and the slightly less bollocks series.

man i feel like a teacher, it's all weird
benwa02
Dec 11, 2004, 04:17 PM
if you get your pm g5 in january and tiger is released let's say in april i recommend to wait for tiger 10.4.2 anyway. that gives the big guys here at the forum time to play around with it, find the bugs :eek: and you upgrade in august to a robust system :p . so there are 7-8 month between buying your pm and buying tiger. thats at least my plan for an imac g5 rev.b. i hope they release it still with panther 10.3.7. :D

thing is i can really use a new computer asap. my current one just is not cutting it anymore but i wouldnt want to have to go buy tiger later on and i really dont see myself waiting til august but maybe. i dont know what to do.
rendezvouscp
Dec 11, 2004, 04:34 PM
Go for a new computer when the new PowerMacs are released. You will love them. Tiger is a very nice upgrade, but you can get it later when everything's fine and dandy. And who knows, your PM may be qualified for an upgrade.
-Chase
macreator
Dec 11, 2004, 04:36 PM
Just get a PowerMac in January and pay the $129 for Tiger when it comes out like everybody else. It's a tad bit pricey but hey, it's Apple, we're paying a premium for a great system. Also Tiger will have some great new features, I have the BETA and am already loving it. $129 isn't that much in the scheme of things and if you really want to, wait a while and buy it used or on eBay for like $50. But buy a PowerMac, don't wait just cause of Tiger.
benwa02
Dec 11, 2004, 05:12 PM
ya i guess ebay wouldnt be a bad idea to try and find tiger, forgot about that. hopefully it wouldnt take too long for it to be auctioned off. im currently a student so money is a big issue (as is with everyone right) and after the PM G5 + adobe suite + macro studio etc...i will most likely be drained of it for a bit. so that is why i want to get my moneys worth but i need the PM soon plus im just so anxious to get one waiting till august would kill me. the more i talk about it the more i want it now.
Blackheart
Dec 11, 2004, 05:33 PM
ya i guess ebay wouldnt be a bad idea to try and find tiger, forgot about that. hopefully it wouldnt take too long for it to be auctioned off. im currently a student so money is a big issue (as is with everyone right) and after the PM G5 + adobe suite + macro studio etc...i will most likely be drained of it for a bit. so that is why i want to get my moneys worth but i need the PM soon plus im just so anxious to get one waiting till august would kill me. the more i talk about it the more i want it now.

As long as you're a student, don't forget to take advantage of the edu discount. Both on the computer and any software upgrades.

Also, Macromedia and Adobe both offer education discounted suites, if I'm not mistaken, so use those too.
benwa02
Dec 11, 2004, 05:49 PM
As long as you're a student, don't forget to take advantage of the edu discount. Both on the computer and any software upgrades. Also, Macromedia and Adobe both offer education discounted suites, if I'm not mistaken, so use those too.

O you better believe ill be taking full advantage of those discounts. Macro & Adobe do offer awesome EDU discounts but still all that combined is alot to spend but are such fun programs and worth every penny.
daveL
Dec 11, 2004, 05:53 PM
Yet another "I want Apple to give me everything for free" thread. Yawn.
Duff-Man
Dec 11, 2004, 05:58 PM
Yet another "I want Apple to give me everything for free" thread. Yawn.Duff-Man says.....yes, but this board would half empty if people actually looked for the info and knew a little about what they were talking about before they posted.....oh yeah!
Dr. Dastardly
Dec 11, 2004, 06:04 PM
As long as you're a student, don't forget to take advantage of the edu discount. Both on the computer and any software upgrades.

Also, Macromedia and Adobe both offer education discounted suites, if I'm not mistaken, so use those too.
If Panther is any indication on pricing then Tiger will only be $69. Pretty reasonable if you ask me.
Pittsax
Dec 11, 2004, 06:22 PM
You also might get a really cheap discount if you buy your computer right before Tiger ships. Didn't they sell upgrade only disks of Panther for something like $5 if you had bought a computer within the previous month?
ifjake
Dec 11, 2004, 06:30 PM
i'd advise the person planning on making the switch from PC to Mac to wait until the next revision of the PM comes out. it'll be faster and better for the same amount of money. you'll have to wait a little longer than january, but not too long. when i switched to my powerbook Ti 15 in, they released the Aluminum version like weeks after. and because i was new to the "Mac scene" i didn't even realize this till i got into macrumors.com and such and figured out that shoot, i bought early. but the computer is still awesome. check out that Buyer's Guide tab right here at macrumors.com (look up) for a good reference, i'm not sure where the product cycle is at. i'll be updating to tiger though once it comes out. i did the same for panther. quality software from apple.
benwa02
Dec 11, 2004, 06:50 PM
check out that Buyer's Guide tab right here at macrumors.com (look up) for a good reference, i'm not sure where the product cycle is at.

ya ive been checking there often. ive been told that apple will prolly do an update in january round the San Fran conference. the PM's are due for an update so the buyers guide says. thanks.

thats pretty cool that apple will let you get a cheap update if you bought a PM shortly before Tigers release in the PM's


..ignorin daveL's comment
NeoMayhem
Dec 11, 2004, 06:55 PM
Keep in mind:

You dont have to upgrade to tiger, I know a lot of people still using jaguar.

Tiger is not 64 bit, and if it was you wouldn't notice any difference.
MacNeXT
Dec 11, 2004, 08:11 PM
Why does Apple make people pay for an upgrade like Tiger? Its not a new OS is it? Couple reasons im mad is because ill be buying a new PM G5 in January and it obviously wont have Tiger in it then few months Tiger will be out. Then I would have to pay for this upgrade to utilize 64-bit when i just bought a new machine. I dont feel like waiting for Tiger to be put in the PM's, its hard enough to wait till January. Then i will have finally made the switch from PC-->Mac.

You can also do like a lot of Windows users did (and do): Just get a copy from a friend or something like bittorrent and shut the hell up about it. Being convinced it's unfair should soothe your conscience a bit...

[ducks to evade flame war]
MisterMe
Dec 11, 2004, 10:18 PM
if you get your pm g5 in january and tiger is released let's say in april i recommend to wait for tiger 10.4.2 anyway. that gives the big guys here at the forum time to play around with it, find the bugs :eek: and you upgrade in august to a robust system :p . so there are 7-8 month between buying your pm and buying tiger. thats at least my plan for an imac g5 rev.b. i hope they release it still with panther 10.3.7. :DThere is no reason to wait two revisions. Unlike Windows, Apple does not release software with bugs numbering into five figures. A wait from the release of MacOS X 10.4.0 until the MacOS X 10.4.2 update will be several months in which you deny yourself a lot of wonderful new technology.
daveL
Dec 11, 2004, 10:21 PM
ya ive been checking there often. ive been told that apple will prolly do an update in january round the San Fran conference. the PM's are due for an update so the buyers guide says. thanks.

thats pretty cool that apple will let you get a cheap update if you bought a PM shortly before Tigers release in the PM's


..ignorin daveL's comment
Ignore the comment all you want, and the word is "probably". So, you have the money to buy a $2500+ computer (obviously depends on the configuration), but the idea of a $129 (max, list price) major OS update is a problem? Sorry, that doesn't make a bit of sense. I'm also wondering what 64-bit features are so important to you. Can you share what 64-bit Tiger features you plan to exploit and to what end? Just curious, really.

Probability of an cognoscente response: zero.
ifjake
Dec 12, 2004, 01:09 PM
I'm also wondering what 64-bit features are so important to you. Can you share what 64-bit Tiger features you plan to exploit and to what end? Just curious, really.

Probability of an cognoscente response: zero.

you probably could have made your point a little more nicely. nevertheless, it's a good point; how much would you really need 64-bit capability. from what i understand, 64-bit computing means larger memory addresses, which means that you would be able to access 8 gigs of RAM instead of the old 4 gigs of RAM. it would get really expensive and be highly unlikely that you would need that much RAM. now the G5 rocks in many other ways, many more advancements besides, but in terms of its 64-bit capability and how Tiger would support it, does anyone know if there is more to it than just how much RAM you can use?
daveL
Dec 12, 2004, 01:19 PM
you probably could have made your point a little more nicely. nevertheless, it's a good point; how much would you really need 64-bit capability. from what i understand, 64-bit computing means larger memory addresses, which means that you would be able to access 8 gigs of RAM instead of the old 4 gigs of RAM. it would get really expensive and be highly unlikely that you would need that much RAM. now the G5 rocks in many other ways, many more advancements besides, but in terms of its 64-bit capability and how Tiger would support it, does anyone know if there is more to it than just how much RAM you can use?
Well, 64-bit integer math, in a single instruction. Yes, I could have been nicer about it, but having been on this board for a while, I'm really tired of people complaining, over and over and over, that Apple it going to charge for a major OS update.
stoid
Dec 12, 2004, 01:35 PM
<snip> 64-bit computing means larger memory addresses, which means that you would be able to access 8 gigs of RAM instead of the old 4 gigs of RAM.<snip> but in terms of its 64-bit capability and how Tiger would support it, does anyone know if there is more to it than just how much RAM you can use?

32-bit memory addressing meant that one application could only be give 4GB (4,294,967,296 or 2^32 bytes) of RAM. However the computer as a hole could still use more than 4. 64-bit allows 16EB (exabytes 2^64 bytes) about 4 billion gigabytes. Even the 32-bit 4GB roof only constricts scientific and server types for now. And even a 32-bit computer can do 64-bit arithmetic, it just takes a few more steps. Your basic or even advanced home/business user won't notice much if anything from a 64-bit OS.
maya
Dec 12, 2004, 02:09 PM
An example of an upgrade would be 10.3.4 to 10.3.5

Pardon, that is an UPDATE and upgrade is 10.2 -->10.3 -->10.4--? :)


If you buy a PMG5 in January and its released in March 3 months or so I believe its a 60-90 day policy go to your 3rd party vendor and they will get you the upgrade to 10.4 might have to pay for shipping however it will be free. :)
maya
Dec 12, 2004, 02:13 PM
32-bit memory addressing meant that one application could only be give 4GB (4,294,967,296 or 2^32 bytes) of RAM. However the computer as a hole could still use more than 4. 64-bit allows 16EB (exabytes 2^64 bytes) about 4 billion gigabytes. Even the 32-bit 4GB roof only constricts scientific and server types for now. And even a 32-bit computer can do 64-bit arithmetic, it just takes a few more steps. Your basic or even advanced home/business user won't notice much if anything from a 64-bit OS.

Tiger actually only benefits server ends at this point the most. The home user is getting duped into believing its going to rock they world. :rolleyes:

Apples marketing gotta love it. I have yet to see a home user place 8+ gigs of ram in they system. The cost alone think about the cost. :)
maya
Dec 12, 2004, 02:16 PM
By the way does anyone have any information if "Tiger" will be on multiple CD's or a DVD. Since it would leave some Mac owners with CD-ROM drives out of the action.

Anyone know this as of yet, since "Panther" had 3-4 CD dev tools included. :)
Mord
Dec 12, 2004, 02:28 PM
it will defiantly come on cd's as even ibook g4's came with cd drives not to long ago.

it may be like ilife in that it comes on a dvd an cd's but i doubt it
herr_neumann
Dec 12, 2004, 02:40 PM
Just go kidnap some student and get Tiger for $69.
maya
Dec 12, 2004, 02:47 PM
it will defiantly come on cd's as even ibook g4's came with cd drives not to long ago.

it may be like ilife in that it comes on a dvd an cd's but i doubt it

phew, that puts my mind at easy that they still support CD's. :)