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knucles
Sep 14, 2010, 06:01 AM
ok, i need a Mac Pro but there is no way i'm burning 2499 euros ( 3200 dollars) in a nehalem quad which is the price of the entry Mac Pro in Europe.

So my question is what's up next, will we see a 2499dollars Hex in the next revision?

usb 3 and finally decent amounts of ram and
an ssd+tera configs

I remember when a Mac tower meant something having something fast, my macbook pro came with more ram than the entry Mac Pro

Q: who buys Mac Pros?
A: Pros

Q: What do Pros with 3gb of Ram?
A: Nothing, if you can live with 3gb of ram you should buy an Imac

get it together apple



maflynn
Sep 14, 2010, 06:07 AM
usb 3 and finally decent amounts of ram and
an ssd+tera configs

Doubtful, apple tends to take a very long time to add new technology to their MacPros

get it together apple
MacPros amount for a small portion of apple's bottom line and the profit margin is rather small, so apple seems to just make minor changes to the existing line. To that end, I'm not sure we'll see a huge update in a timely manner. Heck how long did it take for apple to release this update - almost 500 days?

knucles
Sep 14, 2010, 06:13 AM
... and the profit margin is rather small....

man, i doubt that.

Based unit sold maybe Mac Pros are just a small fraction of Macbooks for example, ok with that based on units sold

but for each Mac Pro the margin should be very very very High

3200 dollars for a Quad 3gb ram Computer.....

maflynn
Sep 14, 2010, 06:16 AM
Ok, let me rephrase it then. The effect of MacPros to apple's bottom line is minuscule because they move less units then other Macs in their line up. Mac Pros only reach a tiny population compared to other macs so apple is not about to dedicate a lot of R&D money on a mature product that will not sell as much as iMacs, MBPs etc

DigitalVT
Sep 14, 2010, 06:19 AM
Q: who buys Mac Pros?
A: Pros

Q: What do Pros with 3gb of Ram?
A: Nothing, if you can live with 3gb of ram you should buy an Imac

get it together apple

Most realise that they would purchase 3rd party RAM, opposed to buying Apples expensive RAM, hence the low RAM stock, which you do have an option to upgrade from Apple.

knucles
Sep 14, 2010, 06:45 AM
Most realise that they would purchase 3rd party RAM, opposed to buying Apples expensive RAM, hence the low RAM stock, which you do have an option to upgrade from Apple.

ok, i get that, but if i am paying 3200dollars for a computer it SHOULDN'T need an upgrade right out of the box, am i right?

And another thing, if nowadays ram is cheap for us, imagine how much it costs for apple.

12gb 6x2 should be standard for 2500euros machines

one more thing, Pros carried Apple trough the difficult times, and we are stuck in 500days updates

johnnymg
Sep 14, 2010, 06:51 AM
ok, i get that, but if i am paying 3200dollars for a computer it SHOULDN'T need an upgrade right out of the box, am i right?

And another thing, if nowadays ram is cheap for us, imagine how much it costs for apple.

12gb 6x2 should be standard for 2500euros machines

one more thing, Pros carried Apple trough the difficult times, and we are stuck in 500days updates

Apple doesn't owe anything to PRO's who carried them through tough times.

If you think the MP doesn't represent good value then you should purchase something else. The rich pricing on the MP isn't going to change in the future.

cheers to the longs :p
JohnG

maflynn
Sep 14, 2010, 06:57 AM
ok, i get that, but if i am paying 3200dollars for a computer it SHOULDN'T need an upgrade right out of the box, am i right?Not to defend apple, but most manufacturers over charge on ram and skimp on stock ram, i.e., too little.


And another thing, if nowadays ram is cheap for us, imagine how much it costs for apple. RAM, especially DDR3 ram is not cheap, its been a bit more expensive these past few years.


12gb 6x2 should be standard for 2500euros machines

That seems kind of excessively high for a 2500euro machine, while I do think apple needs to add more ram to its basic configuration, 12gb seems like over kill (for its stock configuration)


one more thing, Pros carried Apple trough the difficult times, and we are stuck in 500days updates
Apple has continually moved closer to providing the consumer with products and less the prosumer. Its just a fact, and if you feel that another computer will do a better job, move on. Apple will not update its MacPros any faster out of consideration to professionals who buy MacPros but rather cater their business to the consumers.

knucles
Sep 14, 2010, 07:00 AM
you say that because of your fair dollar pricing

try ours:

2499euro Quad = 3211 dollars
3200euro Hex = 4111 dollars
5000euro 12core = 6430 dollars

Noticed something? yeah 1430 dollar difference !!! SAME MACHINE

maflynn
Sep 14, 2010, 07:34 AM
What's you're point other then showing the disparity in pricing because of the currency conversion and apple not adjusting for that and probably the VAT?

the original post was about ram and future changes, and my posts were that apple isn't about to spend a lot of money on a mature product that will not have a great return on high R&D costs.

If the MacPro is too expensive, or not configured the way that you need it too, at least to make it economically feasible, find another solution.

MCHR
Sep 14, 2010, 08:06 AM
Mac Pros are focused at power users and those who can/are making incomes off their machines. So, since it's often a write-off and not a compulsive or domestic purchase, Apple can ask a premium for this segment.

If you are looking for a supercharged desktop that comes with bragging rights, yes, it's an expensive machine. And an iMac would do much of the same things with less flexibility.

But if you need sheer power and have to account for every minute or 1/2 hour from invoices and billable hours, the Mac Pro is still the way to go. It took me five years to 'save up' for my 2010.

Another option is to purchase last year's MP. Much of the same functionality, outstanding performance, and you'd likely save hundreds if not a grand or so.

chych
Sep 14, 2010, 08:09 AM
It's 3 gb since they use triple channel memory, and 1 gb sticks are cheap. I think Apple should have done minimum 3x2gb = 6 gb for such an expensive machine.

At least in the US, if you consider resale value, Mac Pros aren't really that much more expensive. I was looking at my 2006 Mac Pro ($3k when purchased) and similar Mac Pros sell currently for $1500 on ebay. A PC that was $1500 in 2006 now sells for under $200. Not much of a difference there - just the initial investment cost for having a Mac Pro.

cjt3007
Sep 14, 2010, 08:44 AM
If we are going to continue to talk about the FUTURE of the Mac Pro, we. Might as well talk about a re-design.

The case hasn't been touched since the G5 days!

Come on Apple! I'd love to see a stealth design in the Mac Pro section!

philipma1957
Sep 14, 2010, 08:59 AM
A stealth mac pro would be a really bad idea if you kill off the fullsize MacPro. The current pro has tremendous connectivity and has room inside.. This is big for business. Most companies don't care if the unit is pretty they want it to work and be easy to fix. A stealth mac pro would completely defeat the biggest user base business companies. Your idea is a great idea for a 1 or 2 man show that has space as a premium or a hobbiest that has some money to burn.



a stealth mac midi or a stealth mini mac pro would be fine. Just leave the current pro alone.

Get a cube a 7 by 7 by 7 inch mac mini/midi whatever shape that works. drop in a pair of 3.5 inch hdds 4 sticks of ram a 3.2 quad and 2 pcie slots . this unit would sell. A lot of people say it would hurt mac pro sales. no just limit the new pice a bit to 2 hdds 4 ram slots only a 3.2 or 3.33 quad. this does not fit a lot of mac pro users but fills the apple hole in their line up . mac mini then mac pro with no piece in between. MBP's and iMac's don't cut it for connectivity and force a screen on you that you may have 0 interest in.

I have a base 2.8 mac pro when I really need the above unit that I described. I am a 1 man show and this pro is overkill but the connectivity was very important to me.

cjt3007
Sep 14, 2010, 09:50 AM
I meant "stealth" as in design colors... like the MacBook Pros have a black & aluminum design. NOT a smaller Mac Pro!

MCHR
Sep 14, 2010, 09:59 AM
You could always remove the guts and anodize it. Or vinyl wrap it in matte colours. Or break out the Krylon.

knucles
Sep 14, 2010, 11:31 AM
ok, lets talk about the future

will they go to sandy bridge or wait for the server version?
What do you think? any news/ name for the sandy bridge server version?

philipma1957
Sep 14, 2010, 01:17 PM
I meant "stealth" as in design colors... like the MacBook Pros have a black & aluminum design. NOT a smaller Mac Pro!

silver and black or all black with a white apple!

Yukon Joe
Sep 14, 2010, 03:20 PM
I for one would prefer if they don't make any significant changes to the Mac Pro.

We're already having issues over how upgradable they are (see video cards being labelled as working only on 2010 Mac Pros). If they completely changed things around owners of the current cheese grater Mac Pro will likely be left behind.

Schismz
Sep 14, 2010, 04:00 PM
ok, i get that, but if i am paying 3200dollars for a computer it SHOULDN'T need an upgrade right out of the box, am i right?

And another thing, if nowadays ram is cheap for us, imagine how much it costs for apple.

12gb 6x2 should be standard for 2500euros machines

one more thing, Pros carried Apple trough the difficult times, and we are stuck in 500days updates

Apple's pricing on RAM and hard drives has actually gotten far more reality-based then in previous years. The reason the default amounts of RAM are so low, is specifically because there is no individual I am aware of who is dumb enough to load up their machine with Apple RAM. The defaults are "just enough" for the machine to work as configured with a single or dual CPUs.

The insane pricing on RAM and HDs relates to very large companies, edu facilities and governments, who tend to buy many machines all at once, and do not have the option of buying the hardware from Apple, getting RAM from another company, picking up a hard drive at yet another place, and liking this monitor from yet another vendor. In order to have an invoice approved you are often constrained to dealing with companies that have been vendorized (a process that takes seemingly decades to drag through), and if you want 24GB RAM for instance, you don't have the option of getting it someplace else. On the flipside of that, if you're burning through somebody else's money, in order to comply with your institution's/co's unreasonable rules for purchasing, you don't care, it's not your money or your problem, you just want the equipment. And Apple makes a lot of money on those elevated prices and orders of multiple machines.

If you're an individual, spending your own money, I cannot think of anybody who has loaded up their machine with SSDs and RAM from Apple; you buy those from OWC, Crucial, whomever.

w00tini
Sep 14, 2010, 04:03 PM
I may be in the minority but I bought my MacPro because I love OS X and Apple hardware for everyday computing, but still love PC gaming.

The Apple software platform is second to none for my needs, and is very intuitive and seems to be more in tune with how I think when I sit down at a computer. Apple's hardware is in a class of its own with cast and molded aluminum designs, attention to the smallest details, the great attention to peripherals with which we interact with the computer (LED LCDs, MultiTouch pads, ect), and an excellent resale value when it comes time to upgrade.

Now, how all that ties into the topic at hand is that, for me, I saw in the MacPro an opportunity to ditch my PC tower, which was almost exclusively used for gaming, and marry my needs of OS X and Windows into one finely tuned piece of hardware. I sold my MacMini, ripped apart my i7 PC gaming rig and sold each component individually on eBay, and ordered up the MacPro.

So I'll still have native Win7 via bootcamp with very solid gaming capability thanks to the HD5780 and the Xeon Hex, but will finally be able to enjoy a powerful OS X environment via the MacPro in its default software configuration. I still have a 13" MBP because I do so much traveling for work, but when I'm home I will be able to enjoy the Pro more than I ever did the PC for productivity.

So while not everyone games or uses OS X, I do believe there are enough PC gaming power-users like me out there that would love to have the best of both worlds in one pretty brushed aluminum tower to support at least a small segment of sales for the MacPro. Obviously professionals dominate the sales of the Pro, but I'd think enthusiasts are still a nice piece of the pie at the end of the day.

goodcow
Sep 14, 2010, 04:06 PM
Apple's pricing on RAM and hard drives has actually gotten far more reality-based then in previous years.

For some reason the Edu discount on RAM got lowered on the 10 models compared to 09. I actually purchased the 6 to 12GB upgrade from Apple directly on my 09, it was $270. Now they want $405 for the same upgrade.

G4er?
Sep 14, 2010, 04:54 PM
Get a cube a 7 by 7 by 7 inch mac mini/midi whatever shape that works. drop in a pair of 3.5 inch hdds 4 sticks of ram a 3.2 quad and 2 pcie slots . this unit would sell. A lot of people say it would hurt mac pro sales. no just limit the new pice a bit to 2 hdds 4 ram slots only a 3.2 or 3.33 quad. this does not fit a lot of mac pro users but fills the apple hole in their line up . mac mini then mac pro with no piece in between. MBP's and iMac's don't cut it for connectivity and force a screen on you that you may have 0 interest in.
.

I would beat down the door of the nearest Apple store to buy this kind of a Mac. I'm not even walking through any Apple store doors for any of the current product. Somebody hit Steve over the head. Maybe he'll get amnesia and somebody can tell him this is his next great product.

Yukon Joe
Sep 14, 2010, 05:10 PM
I would beat down the door of the nearest Apple store to buy this kind of a Mac. I'm not even walking through any Apple store doors for any of the current product. Somebody hit Steve over the head. Maybe he'll get amnesia and somebody can tell him this is his next great product.

People have been asking for such a machine for years and years - it even has its own term - the xMac.

alphaod
Sep 14, 2010, 06:31 PM
Q: who buys Mac Pros?

A: People who want expandability.


Q: What do Pros with 3gb of Ram?

A: Since you got the answer to first question wrong, you missed the part where people want expandability. Some people need a lot drives for their music or videos, but don't need the multitask which means 3GB is enough.

knucles
Sep 14, 2010, 06:54 PM
A: People who want expandability.


A: Since you got the answer to first question wrong, you missed the part where people want expandability. Some people need a lot drives for their music or videos, but don't need the multitask which means 3GB is enough.

Q: Who needs expandability?
A: Pros

Q: What do Pros want to expand?
A: Ram

If you want more than 1tb for music and movies and don't do anything else with them you got yourself the wrong machine

For those who you described an Imac with a couple of Tb external disks via firewire should be better and WAY, WAY cheaper

I could understand your point if the Gpu was free. But it's not, and it is always late, difficult to buy and doublepriced

By the way, gpu being apple locked is ridiculous as well imo....

Umbongo
Sep 14, 2010, 07:28 PM
By the way, gpu being apple locked is ridiculous as well imo....

Graphics drivers are more critical to the way in which OS X works than many other OSes. Apple don't want 3rd party drivers running such a vital part of the system.

maflynn
Sep 14, 2010, 07:36 PM
If you want more than 1tb for music and movies and don't do anything else with them you got yourself the wrong machine

Actually you're incorrect. Since the MacPro is the only mac that offers multiple open drive bays. People who want expandability but not your narrow definition of that (ram) will want the macpro as well.

Just because you fail to see the need for multiple drives, or large storage, or a RAID array does not invalidate the other person's requirements.

knucles
Sep 14, 2010, 07:47 PM
Just because you fail to see the need for multiple drives, or large storage, or a RAID array does not invalidate the other person's requirements.

yeah, people who only use Macs for movies storage know/care about RAID.....

Graphics drivers are more critical to the way in which OS X works than many other OSes. Apple don't want 3rd party drivers running such a vital part of the system.

They could free the hardware and make drivers for certain apple approved brands/models---- just like ram/hdd apart of the drivers.

That would unleash the gaming market that seems important for them with ipad/iphone and the arrival of steam.....

Or apple could buy a small gpu prodution company and just do it.
Imagine apple buying XFX and all Macs would use XFX GPU based on ATI, NVIDIa

Umbongo
Sep 14, 2010, 08:18 PM
There is no real money to be made on graphics cards for Macs. Apple are interested in the mobile gaming side because they control it and take a percentage from the software sales. They don't get that on a Mac.

chych
Sep 14, 2010, 08:24 PM
I really hope when PCs start switching from the BIOS to EFI (it's bound to happen soon due to the 2.1 TB boot disk limit), PC graphics cards will work without modification on a Mac.

hugodrax
Sep 14, 2010, 08:44 PM
Mac Pro = for work, Mines is used for trading those famous "Weapons of mass destruction derivatives" :)

It has paid for itself the first day :)

Still using my 2006 box, it is so reliable and it just works. Although I will upgrade when Haswell comes out. :D

Most users are fine with the iMac platform.

MCHR
Sep 14, 2010, 08:53 PM
Actually you're incorrect. Since the MacPro is the only mac that offers multiple open drive bays. People who want expandability but not your narrow definition of that (ram) will want the macpro as well.

Just because you fail to see the need for multiple drives, or large storage, or a RAID array does not invalidate the other person's requirements.

Open drive bays isn't the only route to expandability. At this point, FW400, FW800, USB 3.0 and even wireless allow external access from drives, media or online resources.

So, as media evolves (now into SSD media),non-MP users may see a lot of grey area between the mid to upper range Macs. And possibly save money in the process.

philipma1957
Sep 14, 2010, 09:01 PM
Q: Who needs expandability?
A: Pros

Q: What do Pros want to expand?
A: Ram

If you want more than 1tb for music and movies and don't do anything else with them you got yourself the wrong machine

For those who you described an Imac with a couple of Tb external disks via firewire should be better and WAY, WAY cheaper

I could understand your point if the Gpu was free. But it's not, and it is always late, difficult to buy and doublepriced

By the way, gpu being apple locked is ridiculous as well imo....


the iMac fails the cheapness test over time. the screen kills you when it dies. you can only warranty the screen for 3 years. every part in a macpro i can replace that means it lasts far longer. if I use the imac fw800 is slow in comparison to esata. here is the big kicker if the imac hdd dies your have to bring it to the shop it is far too hard for 90 percent of the public the swap the hdd out... if my mac pro hdd dies less then 1 minute and it is swapped... the closest thing to the mac pro is the 17 inch MBP it is 2299 the mac pro is 2499. I prefer the mac pro 1 it has a better faster cpu A 2.8 QUAD. mbp has a 2.53 quad.. the mac pro can handle far more ram 32gb vs 8gb. I can drop in 8tb in hdds in a minute. run them separately as jbods or lots of other ways. I can add a second dvd drive. apple care for the mbp is 350 for the mac pro is 250.


so you are at 2650 vs 2750.


mac pro becomes a no brainer. I guess you could argue for 2 imacs but that would be over 5 k .

SnoFlo
Sep 14, 2010, 09:16 PM
Don't forget that you can upgrade the CPU in the Mac Pro too. :) I get to use monitors of my choice as well. I don't really see Apple radically altering the case design in the future; it's not like this is a boutique item for the hip or something. More PCI slots would be nice.

I have had PC users who told me I could have spent my money more wisely on a custom PC. Strangely though, when they see the machine in person, observe how quiet it is, and then look under the hood all the vitriol seems to dry up fast.

milo
Sep 15, 2010, 11:18 AM
A: People who want expandability.

Some people want expandability, but all users are different.

Some users just need a ton of processing power but will never use the PCI slots at all. Other users do need a ton of ram.

Actually you're incorrect. Since the MacPro is the only mac that offers multiple open drive bays. People who want expandability but not your narrow definition of that (ram) will want the macpro as well.

Just because you fail to see the need for multiple drives, or large storage, or a RAID array does not invalidate the other person's requirements.

Multiple drives and large storage, even raid, can be done externally via FW, USB, or even network storage via ethernet. Sure, if you need really fast storage, the MP is the way to go. But the example given was lots of music and movies, which will work just fine on external storage on ANY mac.

Someone pointed out, you can even do storage wirelessly. I do that with my mini and it works fine.


the iMac fails the cheapness test over time. the screen kills you when it dies. you can only warranty the screen for 3 years. every part in a macpro i can replace that means it lasts far longer. if I use the imac fw800 is slow in comparison to esata. here is the big kicker if the imac hdd dies your have to bring it to the shop it is far too hard for 90 percent of the public the swap the hdd out... if my mac pro hdd dies less then 1 minute and it is swapped... the closest thing to the mac pro is the 17 inch MBP it is 2299 the mac pro is 2499. I prefer the mac pro 1 it has a better faster cpu A 2.8 QUAD. mbp has a 2.53 quad.. the mac pro can handle far more ram 32gb vs 8gb. I can drop in 8tb in hdds in a minute. run them separately as jbods or lots of other ways. I can add a second dvd drive. apple care for the mbp is 350 for the mac pro is 250.

If the screen dies you can just pay to get it repaired or even use an external monitor instead. If you have a hardware failure in a MP you're still going to have to repair that, if it's something like the motherboard it will be extremely expensive. eSATA is irrelevant for storage of movies and music - are you going to be streaming thousands of songs at one time? Or copying your entire library from drive to drive on a regular basis?

I'm not a fan of the imac, but for someone who just wants to store lots of music and movies it's hard to buy the notion that a MP is somehow "cheaper" for that use.

By the way, the higher end iMac supports 16 gigs of ram (I assume that it can't use the 8 gig chips for 32 total?).

scottsjack
Sep 15, 2010, 12:49 PM
Some people want expandability, but all users are different.

Multiple drives and large storage, even raid, can be done externally via FW, USB, or even network storage via ethernet. Sure, if you need really fast storage, the MP is the way to go. But the example given was lots of music and movies, which will work just fine on external storage on ANY mac.

Someone pointed out, you can even do storage wirelessly. I do that with my mini and it works fine.



I just replaced a 2.66HGz mini with a MP 3.2 quad. The four WD 1TB Black drives that were in two OWC FW800 boxes are installed in the MP.

The performance, accessibility and reliable connection of the drives in the MP is far beyond that of the mini FW800 connection (let alone USB2). FW800 is an excellent way to connect devices but is definitely best for casual use.

philipma1957
Sep 15, 2010, 01:36 PM
I just replaced a 2.66HGz mini with a MP 3.2 quad. The four WD 1TB Black drives that were in two OWC FW800 boxes are installed in the MP.

The performance, accessibility and reliable connection of the drives in the MP is far beyond that of the mini FW800 connection (let alone USB2). FW800 is an excellent way to connect devices but is definitely best for casual use.


one power plug
one ups unit
you can swap out a drive in under 1 minute
8tb storage
use an ssd in the extra optical bay.

I can take apart and reassemble a mac pro far far far far easier then an iMac. Remember your iMac hdd dies you are dead in the water. Your Macpro hdd dies sldie the tray out and slide a tray in bam it is fixed. yes it means you need 1 extra hdd tray with 1 extra osx hdd. iMac is nice and fits a need for me in one part of my home. The mac pro is going to be with me a while.

SnoFlo
Sep 15, 2010, 03:33 PM
^^ Amen to that.

milo
Sep 16, 2010, 05:32 PM
I just replaced a 2.66HGz mini with a MP 3.2 quad. The four WD 1TB Black drives that were in two OWC FW800 boxes are installed in the MP.

The performance, accessibility and reliable connection of the drives in the MP is far beyond that of the mini FW800 connection (let alone USB2). FW800 is an excellent way to connect devices but is definitely best for casual use.

Of course they are faster. But the example given was for storing MUSIC AND MOVIES which is exactly the definition of casual use, and where speed is probably the lowest priority.

For pure storage needs where the speed of that storage doesn't matter (and many users are doing exactly that casual use), a MP makes zero sense.


one power plug
one ups unit
you can swap out a drive in under 1 minute
8tb storage
use an ssd in the extra optical bay.

I can take apart and reassemble a mac pro far far far far easier then an iMac. Remember your iMac hdd dies you are dead in the water. Your Macpro hdd dies sldie the tray out and slide a tray in bam it is fixed. yes it means you need 1 extra hdd tray with 1 extra osx hdd. iMac is nice and fits a need for me in one part of my home. The mac pro is going to be with me a while.

While those are all nice, you are paying a LOT extra for those few things, and many users are never going to swap out drives. When you have a drive fail you are going to need to restore to the new drive (to at least some degree) anyway.

Sure, the MP is great for storage but I'd be surprised if there are many people buying them just for that. If you're looking at that price range you might as well just get a network storage box that holds multiple drives for the same advantages (or probably more).

seek3r
Sep 16, 2010, 07:29 PM
Q: Who needs expandability?
A: Pros

Q: What do Pros want to expand?
A: Ram

If you want more than 1tb for music and movies and don't do anything else with them you got yourself the wrong machine

For those who you described an Imac with a couple of Tb external disks via firewire should be better and WAY, WAY cheaper

I could understand your point if the Gpu was free. But it's not, and it is always late, difficult to buy and doublepriced

By the way, gpu being apple locked is ridiculous as well imo....

Actually, as has been pointed out on the boards in many places already, the current GPU prices are quite reasonable. A small markup over standard boards, which accounts for a custom design (yes, based on the ref spec, but the mini-dp config is custom). With the edu price the difference it's even less, only a few bucks.

As for ram, for individuals apple supplies enough ram to let you boot the machine, make sure everything works, then toss their ram and toss your own in. Companies will pay for the expensive upgrades directly from apple, with the same crappy overpricing they'd get from dell, hp, etc.

For that matter, there are apps that are heavily multi-threaded but not ram heavy, and if you bought a mac pro for one of them you won't care that it comes with only 3gb.

Sure, the MP is great for storage but I'd be surprised if there are many people buying them just for that. If you're looking at that price range you might as well just get a network storage box that holds multiple drives for the same advantages (or probably more)

What if you need *fast* access, sometimes GigE from a NAS (which, if you got a good one so you could max out the network link, isnt exactly cheap either) doesnt cut it, and there are a distinct lack of high-speed ports on current macs.

mjsmke
Sep 17, 2010, 07:03 AM
weather you buy a mac pro now or in 5 years...... 6 months after you buy it a better mac pro with new technology will be advertised. same thing goes for any computer.

The questions you need to ask are....

What spec do i need?

What can i afford now?

Can i live with 3gb ram for a few months untill i can afford to upgrade?

milo
Sep 17, 2010, 08:34 AM
What if you need *fast* access, sometimes GigE from a NAS (which, if you got a good one so you could max out the network link, isnt exactly cheap either) doesnt cut it, and there are a distinct lack of high-speed ports on current macs.

Did you read the rest of my post (the part you didn't quote)? I already addressed that.

seek3r
Sep 19, 2010, 09:38 AM
Did you read the rest of my post (the part you didn't quote)? I already addressed that.

fair enough, mea culpa. ::remember to check *all* posts in a thread by $USER before posting :-p ::

milo
Sep 21, 2010, 09:04 AM
fair enough, mea culpa. ::remember to check *all* posts in a thread by $USER before posting

All posts? The part you missed was in the same post you quoted.

Reading all of the post you're replying to instead of just half of it? Yeah, probably not a bad idea.