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Jessica Lares
Sep 16, 2010, 03:39 AM
After I successfully got Android to boot on my MBP (in debug mode, but it still ran :P), got in touch with the guy who made the build. We are now in the process of getting a G3 for him and will start recompiling Android for PPC. I've already suggested for him to go as low as the lowend iBook Clamshells and we'll be testing on G3s, G4s, and G5s.

So keep an eye out for it, should be looking good!



Satori
Sep 16, 2010, 03:49 AM
After I successfully got Android to boot on my MBP (in debug mode, but it still ran :P), got in touch with the guy who made the build. We are now in the process of getting a G3 for him and will start recompiling Android for PPC. I've already suggested for him to go as low as the lowend iBook Clamshells and we'll be testing on G3s, G4s, and G5s.

So keep an eye out for it, should be looking good!

Sounds like a cool project although I suspect that hardware support is going to take the most effort to work out. Especially if you want to get it working across a range of PPC machines. It can be difficult to get PPC compiled linux distros up and running on some PPC machines.

Anyway, good luck and keep us posted.

DoFoT9
Sep 16, 2010, 03:53 AM
Not really seeing the advantage of wasting time putting effort into this dead architecture. The number of usesrs using PPC is grossing smaller and smaller.

Jessica Lares
Sep 16, 2010, 04:06 AM
Mmm, maybe so, but if you can get Ubuntu to run, why not Android?

Yes, there will be some hardware issues, but I think we'll be okay. The basic drivers would be Wi-Fi, displays, and sound. Debian and some of the other PPC based Linux have that handled, it's just finding out how to implement - Like auto detect which processor it is and what drivers it needs at install.

Or at least that's what *I* want to think...

DoFoT9
Sep 16, 2010, 04:07 AM
Well good luck anyway :D be sure to post a video if you get it running!

Jessica Lares
Sep 16, 2010, 04:15 AM
Well good luck anyway :D be sure to post a video if you get it running!

We will! Probably will put out some alphas and betas too.

I'm so excited! I think it would be A LOT better than a full fledged Linux distro.

We've also talked about tweaking the PC build so it's more compatible on Intel Macs, like I said, I only got it to run in debug mode. I suggested we figure out what's up with that build, and once we work out those quirks, to start on the PPC build. Because if it's not working 100% at this point, it won't work backwards.

sushi
Sep 16, 2010, 04:25 AM
After I successfully got Android to boot on my MBP (in debug mode, but it still ran :P), got in touch with the guy who made the build. We are now in the process of getting a G3 for him and will start recompiling Android for PPC. I've already suggested for him to go as low as the lowend iBook Clamshells and we'll be testing on G3s, G4s, and G5s.

So keep an eye out for it, should be looking good!
Sounds like an interesting project.

Good luck! :)

sgrddy
Sep 16, 2010, 06:20 AM
That's awesome! Good luck guys.

Tell him to make it for the 360 as well! ;o)

Jessica Lares
Sep 16, 2010, 11:59 AM
That's awesome! Good luck guys.

Tell him to make it for the 360 as well! ;o)

Mmm, I personally don't know if he has one, I don't have one, and I don't think anyone would be willing to donate one when there's a chance it could just land on eBay.

MacHamster68
Sep 20, 2011, 07:02 PM
Not really seeing the advantage of wasting time putting effort into this dead architecture. The number of usesrs using PPC is grossing smaller and smaller.

thats not quiet true , apparently there are some new kids on the block


http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/113199866/MID_iE7F_freescale_processor_7inch.jpg


and the mobile gt from freescale is a power architecture based processor
http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=MPC5125

they offer other things too which i love already
sensible priced computers with Apple inspired design , always wanted a iMac with smaller display and white again ,and best of all AMD processors turion neo x2 18.5 inch display , all i did want from Apple
thanks lime pc
http://www.limepc.com/infoTech.shtml

goMac
Sep 21, 2011, 02:52 PM
Android on PowerPC could be troublesome. The NDK only outputs Android apps in Intel and ARM versions. To get PowerPC to fly, you'd have to get developers to compile native PowerPC versions if they touch the NDK (which happens a lot with games and high performance apps.)

Dalvik would also take a lot of work to get working properly on the PowerPC. A lot a lot.

MacHamster68
Sep 21, 2011, 03:22 PM
2009-10-27
Freescale Semiconductor says it is now accepting orders for a hardware/software platform for developing Android applications on Power Architecture PowerQUICC and QorIQ processors. The initial MPC8536E-ADK Android platform, which combines an Android runtime developed by Mentor Graphics and a board based on the PowerQUICC III MPC8536E, appears to be the first Android port to the PowerPC.

here read the whole article
http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Freescale-Mentor-Graphics-MPC8536EADK/
and it seems to me the company behind Limepc THTF is a multibillion public traded company since 1997
and they are behind Limeroid which is Android for ppc processors from freescale

thats why the limepc tablet with a freescale processor based on the Power architecture in my last post runs Android in 2011 btw their netbook is running iOS , their NAS runs MacOS? i guess they mean OSX

so it seems Android does run on some Powerpc processors from freescale , just not on all PPC processors , but it should be possible to make it happen that one day android will run on all PPC Mac's too , as that would make our trusty PPC ready for the next decade to come
maybe its time to talk with THTF in China ? After all they have choosen a architecture most call dead already for their Android tablet
How many PPC Mac's are still in use worldwide? that might convince them to help a bit ..i mean people pay 20.99 to get Lion , and i payed € 110 to get MorphOS ..so a price in between should be interesting for a big company and a couple millions of PPC Mac's on earth that are still functioning , but collecting dust because there is apart from some enthusiasts no support any more

goMac
Sep 21, 2011, 03:31 PM
thats why the limepc tablet with a freescale processor based on the Power architecture in my last post runs Android in 2011

Right, but it still doesn't get around that Android's NDK tools don't put out PowerPC code. Anything that touches the NDK (which could be quite a few things) simply won't run. The NDK only outputs applications that support x86 or ARM.

And this is all in Google's specs/documentation.

What I'm reading about Freescale's PowerPC Android work is it's meant for embedded systems, not general application use by end users. It's for situations in which you're only running specific custom applications, at which point you'd just make sure you didn't write applications that touched the NDK.

MacHamster68
Sep 21, 2011, 05:29 PM
i guess you are right , that would at least explain why they push forward more on their linux based LimeOS
i just tumbled over that company because of their 18.5" All In One PC called LimePC T18G based on the AMD turion neo x2 @2ghz

i just try to get one, for me its a dream come true ,ok i wished it from Apple , but they are so intel focused one might askt the question if Apple is not controlled by intel by now

adcx64
Sep 21, 2011, 06:11 PM
IMO, Android on a Mac would be fun to play with for a few days, but never be an alternative to OS X. It lacks the productivity and versatility a modern desktop OS has. I don't understand why people and the tech industry these days try to kill off the workhorse computer in favor of these underpowered tablets and dinky little OS's. Don't get me wrong, I love my iPad, and it has it's own uses, but all of the people that say that tablets will replace laptops and desktops in the near future are crazy. Multitouch interfaces are good for some applications, but not a productivity machine. Until I can get a tablet with a strong OS and incredible power, I'm sticking with my Macs, even if they're all PPC. :)

Peace
Sep 21, 2011, 06:15 PM
Ahhhhhhh. Thanks for reminding me of Linux distros.

Those were the days . Horrible. But still days. :D

Marcush1286
Sep 21, 2011, 11:51 PM
Hello,

Does someone have any idea how I can get my wireless card in my G5 to work under YDL? Its a great OS.. fans are quiet upon boot up and no problems just that Apple's default airport hardware does not want to be recognized under YDL. Has anyone ever figured out how to get sound enabled on the G5 Quad under YDL? Thats another problem as well.

MacHamster68
Sep 22, 2011, 02:20 AM
IMO, Android on a Mac would be fun to play with for a few days, but never be an alternative to OS X. It lacks the productivity and versatility a modern desktop OS has. I don't understand why people and the tech industry these days try to kill off the workhorse computer in favor of these underpowered tablets and dinky little OS's. Don't get me wrong, I love my iPad, and it has it's own uses, but all of the people that say that tablets will replace laptops and desktops in the near future are crazy. Multitouch interfaces are good for some applications, but not a productivity machine. Until I can get a tablet with a strong OS and incredible power, I'm sticking with my Macs, even if they're all PPC. :)

You dont know why ? its simple ....Cloud computing ,means technically the processing is done in the cloud and not on your computing device , that will only show results , its the easiest and Perfect way to get total control over what people do on their computing devices

mikeyrko
Jan 28, 2012, 07:59 PM
Hi how is this project coming? I love my iBook and this sounds very exciting

justperry
Jan 29, 2012, 06:56 AM
Not really seeing the advantage of wasting time putting effort into this dead architecture. The number of usesrs using PPC is grossing smaller and smaller.

Although you are right there are less and less people using PPC it is not dead yet, there are still plenty of people using it, I have a Powerbook G4 and it runs well, for many people that's all they need.

Android on a Laptop/PPC, for what, that's a touch based OS isn't it?
So, why even bother when there is OS X and Linux for PPC?

But go ahead, like to see what you make out of it.

mikeyrko
Feb 2, 2012, 09:31 PM
Although you are right there are less and less people using PPC it is not dead yet, there are still plenty of people using it, I have a Powerbook G4 and it runs well, for many people that's all they need.

Android on a Laptop/PPC, for what, that's a touch based OS isn't it?
So, why even bother when there is OS X and Linux for PPC?

But go ahead, like to see what you make out of it.

Well the asus transformer with the dock uses a trackpad.
I think this is a good idea it would help old devices like mine play videos ect.

skinniezinho
Feb 26, 2012, 07:23 AM
I will be watching this thread.
I am an android user, and I think that if we had something like "chrome os" operative system android based for our pcs it could be awesome.
For example, having tapatalk running on a computer could do wonders for forum browsing =)

burnout8488
Feb 26, 2012, 02:26 PM
This thread hasn't been updated by the OP since 2010, so I doubt much will be happening with it.

Goftrey
Feb 26, 2012, 02:57 PM
thats not quiet true , apparently there are some new kids on the block


http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/113199866/MID_iE7F_freescale_processor_7inch.jpg


and the mobile gt from freescale is a power architecture based processor
http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=MPC5125

they offer other things too which i love already
sensible priced computers with Apple inspired design , always wanted a iMac with smaller display and white again ,and best of all AMD processors turion neo x2 18.5 inch display , all i did want from Apple
thanks lime pc
http://www.limepc.com/infoTech.shtml

Those all in one LimePC's look awesome! I cannot for the life of me fin out how to buy one or how much they cost though. Great company by the looks of what I've just seen though :D

And yeah, the thread's nearly 18 months old, don't get your hopes up dude...

ArsenioDev
Sep 20, 2012, 06:14 PM
After I successfully got Android to boot on my MBP (in debug mode, but it still ran :P), got in touch with the guy who made the build. We are now in the process of getting a G3 for him and will start recompiling Android for PPC. I've already suggested for him to go as low as the lowend iBook Clamshells and we'll be testing on G3s, G4s, and G5s.

So keep an eye out for it, should be looking good!

wait.... so can i get the .img file thet you booted? i need it so i can test one of my apps that i wrote as the emulator is okay for that but id rather test it on an actual android! btw i am also figuring out how to run android on an ipod touch!

Jessica Lares
Sep 20, 2012, 07:41 PM
wait.... so can i get the .img file thet you booted? i need it so i can test one of my apps that i wrote as the emulator is okay for that but id rather test it on an actual android! btw i am also figuring out how to run android on an ipod touch!

Maybe I should update this since two years have passed...

The Android-x86 project seemed like it was going to change the whole game for Android. I loaded it on my Late 2006 MacBook Pro, and a DELL laptop I have and it was cool. I did talk to one of the main people in charge of that project, and they were willing to work on it, but it was kinda of like, "Well give me a machine for free, or no" type deal. It stopped at there. Not that there wasn't many, many, many people who wanted them to work on the ports, but they simply weren't going to embed the drivers to make it happen without test machines or otherwise just told people to do it themselves.

Basically the project is going nowhere and won't go anywhere. It almost feels like a closed community at this point. Instead of doing like a general build like that of Ubuntu and Linux distros in general, they are making compiles for machines that nobody actually owns, and are doing so because of the handouts from AMD and other companies. In the end, it's just wasted work that will be sold at a later date by these companies taking advantage of them.

As for PowerPC, at the beginning it would have been possible for us to have Eclair or Froyo on our machines, but it's completely pointless now when Gingerbread, upwards absolutely need 1GB of RAM.

The emulator is your best bet to be honest. Otherwise try the Intel x86 images that you can also get in the SDK.

Zeke D
Sep 20, 2012, 09:01 PM
Maybe I should update this since two years have passed...

The Android-x86 project seemed like it was going to change the whole game for Android. I loaded it on my Late 2006 MacBook Pro, and a DELL laptop I have and it was cool. I did talk to one of the main people in charge of that project, and they were willing to work on it, but it was kinda of like, "Well give me a machine for free, or no" type deal. It stopped at there. Not that there wasn't many, many, many people who wanted them to work on the ports, but they simply weren't going to embed the drivers to make it happen without test machines or otherwise just told people to do it themselves.

Basically the project is going nowhere and won't go anywhere. It almost feels like a closed community at this point. Instead of doing like a general build like that of Ubuntu and Linux distros in general, they are making compiles for machines that nobody actually owns, and are doing so because of the handouts from AMD and other companies. In the end, it's just wasted work that will be sold at a later date by these companies taking advantage of them.

As for PowerPC, at the beginning it would have been possible for us to have Eclair or Froyo on our machines, but it's completely pointless now when Gingerbread, upwards absolutely need 1GB of RAM.

The emulator is your best bet to be honest. Otherwise try the Intel x86 images that you can also get in the SDK.

It's a shame. G3s & G4s are so chep now. Heck I would donate a G3 and a G4 for testing if they could do it. Oh well...

Intell
Sep 20, 2012, 09:08 PM
wait.... so can i get the .img file thet you booted? i need it so i can test one of my apps that i wrote as the emulator is okay for that but id rather test it on an actual android! btw i am also figuring out how to run android on an ipod touch!

The only iPod Touch that can run Android is the first generation iPod Touch. The second generation maybe, but it is still a long ways off and development on it has stalled. That later ones are even farther off.

dosdude1
Jan 10, 2013, 10:00 AM
I may be able to get an iBook G3 I could donate.

rmxauto
Jun 23, 2013, 05:30 PM
I know this may be a lost cause, but if someone out there is willing and able to make Android on PPC happen, I can donate several G3 and G4 systems to the effort, as well as an xbox360 which is a 5 core(?) G5. The G4 and up can do some smooth graphics tricks, which should serve Android well. I can even throw in a little cash, some software, PA equipment and maybe a decent used car to whoever gets it working. I can't be the only one around who is willing to put in some incentive! If anyone out there still wants to see this happen, sound off! What can we offer? If anyone out there has the know-how, please, say something. What will it take?

Jessica Lares
Jun 23, 2013, 06:18 PM
I know this may be a lost cause, but if someone out there is willing and able to make Android on PPC happen, I can donate several G3 and G4 systems to the effort, as well as an xbox360 which is a 5 core(?) G5. The G4 and up can do some smooth graphics tricks, which should serve Android well. I can even throw in a little cash, some software, PA equipment and maybe a decent used car to whoever gets it working. I can't be the only one around who is willing to put in some incentive! If anyone out there still wants to see this happen, sound off! What can we offer? If anyone out there has the know-how, please, say something. What will it take?

Android is miles ahead now. It could have been done, but I don't think the results would be too pleasing now, especially with our graphics cards. I have a 800MHz Android phone, and that is barely just enough. I had to overclock it and do so many tweaks just to get it to run smoothly like the midrange ones.

Lil Chillbil
Jun 23, 2013, 06:31 PM
I know this may be a lost cause, but if someone out there is willing and able to make Android on PPC happen, I can donate several G3 and G4 systems to the effort, as well as an xbox360 which is a 5 core(?) G5. The G4 and up can do some smooth graphics tricks, which should serve Android well. I can even throw in a little cash, some software, PA equipment and maybe a decent used car to whoever gets it working. I can't be the only one around who is willing to put in some incentive! If anyone out there still wants to see this happen, sound off! What can we offer? If anyone out there has the know-how, please, say something. What will it take?

Your xbox 360 is based on a completely newer arch than the g5

jrsx
Jan 25, 2014, 10:23 PM
How is the project coming? It sounds pretty awesome!

ifrit05
Jan 25, 2014, 11:08 PM
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