Randy Moss shows his true face [Archive]

Applespider

Jan 10, 2005, 12:02 PM

I didn't like it and I think he'll be fined for it. He won't be suspended for next week's game. The NFL have already lost T.O. for the publicity hype, they can't afford to lose the other top receiver in the game - and remember, after John Lynch's hit the week before, they actually announced that they try not to suspend for the playoffs.

But I think Joe Buck's reaction was a little OTT - it sounded like he actually thought Moss had mooned them. It was hardly the 'most disgusting thing he'd ever seen' - if so, he's had a very quiet life!

snkTab

Jan 10, 2005, 12:08 PM

a joke i heard.

whats the difference between randy moss and a dollar.

you can still get four quarters from a dollar.

MacDawg

Jan 10, 2005, 12:08 PM

Fine - probably
Suspension - no way in h*ll

The NFL won't jeopardize the games over this.

It was more crude than the other stuff going on, but I don't like the trend in the NFL that leans more towards the NBA. Terrell Owens stunts, Joe Horn, etc. C'mon, lets play ball. Have fun, yes, but let's be professionals.

I can't see Steve Largent, Jerry Rice, et. al. doing this kind of stuff.

Woof, Woof - Dawg

invaLPsion

Jan 10, 2005, 12:11 PM

MacDawg

Jan 10, 2005, 12:14 PM

invaLPsion

Jan 10, 2005, 12:18 PM

Agreed, the announcers are awful.

And I understand the Randy humor too, but he has to realize that he is on TV too! The viewers are a part of the private jokes on the field, but they do see what goes on when he does his "stuff". Its all perception, and he has to do his part.

Woof, Woof - Dawg

I don't think he is obligated to be what the people and critics want him to be. Only his friends and family truly know him and I don't think he cares what others think. Why should he care?

What he's doing is not nearly as bad as 80% of what else is on TV. I myself got a big kick out of the "incident." It was hilarious. And Not meant to hurt anybody.

grapes911

Jan 10, 2005, 12:21 PM

Randy was taking a lot of guff from the Packers fans at Lambeau. They had incredibly rude signs and were heckling him the entire game. Randy was not being serious and it was only a joke. I think people need to take him with a degree of humor.

All of the media coverage over his walk-off was completely unwarranted and he did not deserve all the negative press beforehand.

And those FOX commentators are terrible. Here they are saying that Randy is disgraceful, disgusting and classless when only a week former they were plugging a show where an adopted woman had to chose from 20 men her biological father. They are hippocrites and not fit to comment on Randy.

GO VIKES. GO RANDY. IT'S OUR TIME.

I almost agree. I hate Randy Moss. He doesn't train as hard as most players and he seems not to really care about the game. But I have to say that this was funny. I was laughed my head off. He was getting ripped to no end on those signs and he probably got it even worse verbally. Its not like he jumped into the stands a beat up a bunch of people or thew a chair. HE DIDN'T EVEN REALLY MOON ANYONE. IT WAS A JOKE. The commentators have to lay off.

Here's where I disagree: The Birds are going to stomp the Purple <fill your own vulgar p-word here> :D

MacDawg

Jan 10, 2005, 12:22 PM

I don't think he is obligated to be what the people and critics want him to be. Only his friends and family truly know him and I don't think he cares what others think. Why should he care?

What he's doing is not nearly as bad as 80% of what else is on TV. I myself got a big kick out of the "incident." It was hilarious. And Not meant to hurt anybody.

Goes back to the whole 'role model' issue I suppose.

If the team owners don't care... nothing will be done.

I guess the difference with other stuff on the TV is that most tune it to watch a ball game, not the antics. I know I do. If want all of the other stuff, I'll watch the NBA (which I don't).

When it comes to ball games, I prefer workmanship over showmanship.
But that's just me, I know others have differing opinions.

Woof, Woof - Dawg

grapes911

Jan 10, 2005, 12:27 PM

When it comes to ball games, I prefer workmanship over showmanship.

Sports are Entertainment. I perfer both, but only if workmanship comes first.

"If you don't want him celebrating, don't let him into the end zone" -- Deion Sanders.

AirUncleP

Jan 10, 2005, 01:15 PM

Randy Moss said he will do whatever he wants.

I wonder if he'll want to pay the fine he gets.

atszyman

Jan 10, 2005, 01:48 PM

Randy was taking a lot of guff from the Packers fans at Lambeau. They had incredibly rude signs and were heckling him the entire game.

The signs and heckling are there because Randy Moss has shown a propensity to pull stunts like this in the past. He often doesn't play hard unless he is the intended receiver, heck, last week he walked off of the field as they were losing to Washington. If the signs bother him so much that he feels the need to respond then maybe he should look at his past behavior to realize why he is ridiculed so much.

Jerry Rice, Daunte Culpepper, Brett Favre and many other players don't get heckled and ripped on nearly as much because they have shown class. They don't pull stunts like this.

wdlove

Jan 10, 2005, 02:17 PM

Randy Moss should be ashamed of himself. A disrespect of the fans. He should not play the next game and pay at least a $50,000 fine. Society should not tolerate actions like this.

Thomas Veil

Jan 10, 2005, 02:31 PM

The signs and heckling are there because Randy Moss has shown a propensity to pull stunts like this in the past. He often doesn't play hard unless he is the intended receiver, heck, last week he walked off of the field as they were losing to Washington. If the signs bother him so much that he feels the need to respond then maybe he should look at his past behavior to realize why he is ridiculed so much.

Jerry Rice, Daunte Culpepper, Brett Favre and many other players don't get heckled and ripped on nearly as much because they have shown class. They don't pull stunts like this.
Exactly. If Randy Moss wants to get respect from the fans, all he has to do is stop behaving like a jerk. Everything isn't all about him.

MacDawg

Jan 10, 2005, 02:33 PM

Exactly. If Randy Moss wants to get respect from the fans, all he has to do is stop behaving like a jerk. Everything isn't all about him.

Exactly, its only half about him. The other half is about TO. :rolleyes:

Woof, Woof - Dawg

grapes911

Jan 10, 2005, 02:36 PM

Exactly. If Randy Moss wants to get respect from the fans, all he has to do is stop behaving like a jerk. Everything isn't all about him.

Who says he wants to get respect from the fans? Even though I hate him, I think he's happy the way he is.

maxterpiece

Jan 10, 2005, 02:38 PM

I don't see what the big deal is. If your 12 year old son mooned some friends you wouldn't be upset, but you get upset about randy moss pretending to moon people? Let the man goof around. I think people are just jealous of his gift. They want him to do what they would do if they had the skills he has. Well, it's his life. If he is happy being a goofball or screwing with people's heads, well that's fine as long as he isn't physically hurting them. If the NFL wants to play to their family/conservative viewership then they can get rid of him, but it seems to me that he is exactly the kind of guy the NFL makes a killing on. Before you criticize him, ask yourself why that is.

MacDawg

Jan 10, 2005, 02:52 PM

I didn't find his action particularly offensive in this case. I just find the antics that he, TO and others do childish. I'm all for enthusiasm, fun and energy in the game, but what they do seems to be demeaning and self promoting in a team sport.

To each his/her own. That's just my preference.

I get just as disgusted when somebody makes a sack...
and then spends 30 seconds acting like a goon,
especially when they are behind by 2 TDs!

Woof, Woof - Dawg

PS - As a side note... The Georgia defensive coordinator, Brian Van Gorder just signed on to be the Jacksonville Jags linebacker coach. Hate to see him go. He's awesome.

grapes911

Jan 10, 2005, 03:02 PM

I didn't find his action particularly offensive in this case. I just find the antics that he, TO and others do childish. I'm all for enthusiasm, fun and energy in the game, but what they do seems to be demeaning and self promoting in a team sport.

To each his/her own. That's just my preference.

I get just as disgusted when somebody makes a sack...
and then spends 30 seconds acting like a goon,
especially when they are behind by 2 TDs!

Its all about getting paid. Many players have to self-promote to get the real cash.

Case-in-point: Warren Sapp. Have you looked at his carrer stats (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?statsId=3140)? Is nothing more than an average player. Why did he get a 7-year $36 million contract? It aint for his skills--its for is self promoting.

The NFL has created this monster and its a damn shame they blame it on the players.

MacNut

Jan 10, 2005, 03:06 PM

grapes911

Jan 10, 2005, 03:10 PM

I didn't think anything of it until Joe Buck said this is a disgrace and im sorry it was caught by our cameras, sounds like Fox is afraid of the FCC. Did anyone see the postgame interview when they had to bleep Moss.

I did see that and that was uncalled for. If the story was about that, this would be easier to swallow.

Speaking of Joe Buck. He can do those Leon commercials (which I love by the way) where they support this me first attitude, yet he complained more than anyone. You can't have it both ways Joe.

Lord Blackadder

Jan 10, 2005, 03:51 PM

I don't like Randy Moss, he has a bad attitude and sometimes he just doesn't have any sportsmanship.

But I think that the broadcasters blew the whole thing way out of proportion. It was a bit funny, maybe not in the BEST taste but really this whole "we fear the FCC and it's hyperconservativism" thing has gone too far. Like somebody already pointed out, you've got all this crap reality TV going on which is FAR worse in terms of moral behavior. The only time NFL games become problematic is when you feature idiot pop stars in the halftime shows.

I think that Moss walking off the field is worse than the "mooning".

noel4r

Jan 10, 2005, 04:03 PM

Here's an idea for the TV Stations: Don't show the post touchdown celebration for certain players like Moss or T.O. Simple enough.

grapes911

Jan 10, 2005, 04:08 PM

Here's an idea for the TV Stations: Don't show the post touchdown celebration for certain players like Moss or T.O. Simple enough.

Why? Many people think they are fun. Here's an idea: Maybe people should stop being so sensitive.

Cursor

Jan 10, 2005, 04:10 PM

Lord Blackadder

Jan 10, 2005, 04:27 PM

Why? Many people think they are fun. Here's an idea: Maybe people should stop being so sensitive.

I'm not totally against celebrating, but I think it's starting to get a little excessive in the NFL. It seems like every single down somebody is shuckin' and jivin for 5 minutes about a tackle or a catch or a block etc. I can see it after a touchdown, and people are pumped about a good play now and then but there's a limit.

I remember they interviewed Jim Brown earlier in the season and they asked him what he thought has changed for the worst in the years since he played. "Too much dancin' around", he said.

grapes911

Jan 10, 2005, 04:48 PM

I'm not totally against celebrating, but I think it's starting to get a little excessive in the NFL. It seems like every single down somebody is shuckin' and jivin for 5 minutes about a tackle or a catch or a block etc. I can see it after a touchdown, and people are pumped about a good play now and then but there's a limit.

I remember they interviewed Jim Brown earlier in the season and they asked him what he thought has changed for the worst in the years since he played. "Too much dancin' around", he said.

The NFL has changed, for better or worse, no doubting it. Rules have been changed, coaching strategies are different, and a new breed of player was born. But the NFL is as popular as ever and making more money then ever before. I'd guess that the fans making this sport so popular are largely infavor of the antics or they wouldn't be watching. The rest of the fan base is going to have to accept it or turn it off. The only way the owners and league will really surpress it is if the fans let them know. The best way to do so is if the fans stop going to games and stop watching them on TV. I really don't think there are enough fans that find Moss, TO, Horn, etc. so repulsive that they are willing to do so.

Lord Blackadder

Jan 10, 2005, 05:03 PM

The NFL has changed, for better or worse, no doubting it. Rules have been changed, coaching strategies are different, and a new breed of player was born. But the NFL is as popular as ever and making more money then ever before. I'd guess that the fans making this sport so popular are largely infavor of the antics or they wouldn't be watching. The rest of the fan base is going to have to accept it or turn it off. The only way the owners and league will really surpress it is if the fans let them know. The best way to do so is if the fans stop going to games and stop watching them on TV. I really don't think there are enough fans that find Moss, TO, Horn, etc. so repulsive that they are willing to do so.

I pretty much agree, mostly because it's just a reflection of a society that accepts such behavior. And a lot of people who hate TO & company watch in the same way you'd watch a car accident on COPS. Still, I think that the NFL should draw a behavior line and enforce it - especially with regards to off-the-field behavior but also how these guys play the game. It's gonna be more in-your-face nowadays but the NFL must keep it within reason. I think that it is generally well done but there are excesses.

Of course, players that can't bring it consistently won't be dancing too much anyway, but some talented players just have no restraint.

EDIT: I never looked it up, but I'm curious what the numbers are for celebration penalties, as in what is the rate of increase over the last few years.

Applespider

Jan 10, 2005, 05:14 PM

I'm not going to stop watching the NFL just because of these idiots - it's cutting my nose off to spite my face.

But I didn't like Owens antics when he was a Niner so I wouldn't have bought one of his jerseys. I wouldn't buy anything that he promoted - perhaps losing their endorsement cash might hit them harder than the few thousand that the NFL fine them.

A lot of this self-promotion started after the 'No Fun League' banned team celebrations. I'd rather see a few guys playing leapfrog in the endzone or dancing in a group after a TD than this. There seems to be a need for people to outdo each other's celebration and what started as fun, has got out of hand.

grapes911

Jan 10, 2005, 05:21 PM

This ESPN story (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs04/news/story?id=1963829) may put things in a different perspective for those of you who didn't like Moss' stunt.

Indianapolis Colts coach Tony Dungy said he saw Moss' action and, "I thought it was kind of humorous."

"It's not the kind of thing you want to see on national TV, but I understand what it was all about," he said.

"Anyone who has played in the NFC Central knows what that's about. The fans in Green Bay have a tradition in the parking lot after the game where they moon the visiting team's bus," he said. "It's kind of a unique sendoff."

"I had seen it seven times because when I was with the Vikings, we lost to them seven times up there," he said.

MacDawg

Jan 10, 2005, 05:31 PM

I knew of the "tradition" so that wasn't a surprise. I wasn't offended by his action as I said before, I just would rather them "play ball!" Now his antics at the press conference were totally uncalled for, and creates that negative impression.

Now what is surprising is Tony Dungy's remarks, especially after the stink he raised about TO and Nicollette Sheridan's Monday Night Football commercial. :rolleyes: C'mon Tony, be consistent!

Woof, Woof - Dawg

TrumanApple

Jan 10, 2005, 06:10 PM

Randy Moss should be ashamed of himself. A disrespect of the fans. He should not play the next game and pay at least a $50,000 fine. Society should not tolerate actions like this.

Are you serious... with all the sex, drugs and violence in the media and on regular shows you are going to complain about a PRETEND mooning?

Heres my opinion, randy moss has made mistakes in the past and has always been surrounded with controversy... now i think the media (such as the announcers) are blowing what he does out of porportion because it creates interest and makes for a good story... This shouldnt even be a story...

Anyone who said that he should be fined is rediculous... it would be different if he had given the finger, or some directly offensive act like that... but to pretend to pull down your pants in a TD celebration is merely poking fun at the packers fans, who during the game, made fun of him.

I bet that if the announcers had laughed and treated it as a non issue, then no one would be talking about it. I think joe bucks overexageration of the event caused alot more uproar than there should have been.

PS: what about every devensive lineman who makes a sack seems to make some motion that implys slicing a guys throat...? who makes an uproar about that... NO ONE, because its trash talk...

And by the way... GO RAMS.... unlikely scenario: rams beat atlanta... vikings beat eagles... NFC championship is held home field of an 8-8 team... HAHA that would be awesome... a home NFC championship for an 8-8 team... lol

xsedrinam

Jan 10, 2005, 06:17 PM

Not to worry, though. If he does play next Sunday afternoon, by 3 pm EST, the Philadelphia Eagles will have flown up that "moon" enough times, he'll be considered a "half mast" WR. ;)
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Fine - probably
Suspension - no way in h*ll

The NFL won't jeopardize the games over this.

It was more crude than the other stuff going on, but I don't like the trend in the NFL that leans more towards the NBA. Terrell Owens stunts, Joe Horn, etc. C'mon, lets play ball. Have fun, yes, but let's be professionals.

I can't see Steve Largent, Jerry Rice, et. al. doing this kind of stuff.

Woof, Woof - Dawg

QCassidy352

Jan 10, 2005, 06:26 PM

Why? Many people think they are fun. Here's an idea: Maybe people should stop being so sensitive.

yay, the voice of reason!

People need to chill waaaaay out.

Also, as reported by ESPN, this was a response to the packer fans' tradition of mooning the opposing team's bus on the way out of town.

xsedrinam

Jan 10, 2005, 06:39 PM

Also, as reported by ESPN, this was a response to the packer fans' tradition of mooning the opposing team's bus on the way out of town.

Ya, butt two moons don't make it wide; Or a Cheesehead stoned, gathers no Moss; or something like that :)
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MacDawg

Jan 10, 2005, 06:41 PM

PS: what about every devensive lineman who makes a sack seems to make some motion that implys slicing a guys throat...? who makes an uproar about that... NO ONE, because its trash talk...

Actually, I think the NFL outlawed that action (throat slashing) a while back.

Ditka and Irvin took Moss to task on ESPN tonight, big time... Both said that they wouldn't want Moss on their team in spite of his talent (of course that is the PC thing to say on ESPN). I thought it was interesting that Irvin would cite Moss' off the field actions, etc. He said that he originally wanted him drafted by Dallas (which was the uproar at the time), but now he says he is glad he wasn't because he, Irvin, would have had to clean up after Moss all of the time.

Uhh, isn't this the same Irvin that was involved in the Cowboys "white house" with drugs and prostitution?? Link to story on "White House" (http://www.texnews.com/cowboys/whitehouse050996.html) I know he has supposedly reformed, and that's great, but sounds a little cheesy to me.

Woof, Woof - Dawg

buffsldr

Jan 10, 2005, 06:55 PM

There are plenty of football players who are impressive on the field but who strike me as horrible people. While I find some of Randy's antics ridiculous, I get sick of the announcers sitting back in morale judgement on the guy. If they insist on doing so, why don't they include how many illegitimate kids each of these guys have? I love what these guys do on the field despite the scumbags they may really be.

Point being, there are a lot more actions more reprehensible than feigning mooning.

grapes911

Jan 10, 2005, 07:02 PM

Ditka and Irvin took Moss to task on ESPN tonight, big time... Both said that they wouldn't want Moss on their team in spite of his talent (of course that is the PC thing to say on ESPN). I thought it was interesting that Irvin would cite Moss' off the field actions, etc. He said that he originally wanted him drafted by Dallas (which was the uproar at the time), but now he says he is glad he wasn't because he, Irvin, would have had to clean up after Moss all of the time.

I woun't want him on my team either. I'm a Philly fan and I love TO. I don't really care what he does after a touchdown. He works hard all year and gives everything he has on every play. If a player does that, he can do whatever he wants (with in some reason) after a score. Moss has a rep of not working as hard in practice and he has had some off the field problems. That is the difference between TO and Moss. I bet those same ESPN guys would all say they wanted TO because he's almost as talented and doesn't bring the off-field baggage.

PS. When was ESPN ever PC? Remember Playmakers? :p

jackieonasses

Jan 10, 2005, 07:06 PM

Now, I am not a Vikings fan, yet i think Moss is good. I have played high-school sports and know his type. But that doesn't deny the fact that he is one amazing player. He is. Some say he is lucky because of his height (6' 3") but it doesn't matter. He is good. Hall-of-Fame good. And i didn't see it last night, but it sounds to me really not that bad. Maybe i am a young hooligan, but following the Packers tradition, and it being pretend isn't THAT bad in my book. STILL, he shouldn't of done it.

kyle

jackieonasses

Jan 10, 2005, 07:29 PM

MacDawg

Jan 10, 2005, 07:29 PM

I don't think anybody denies his talent, he is amazing. But as grapes911 indicated, he does take plays off, etc. and walked off from his team. And you are correct, grapes TO is different in that regard. TO is a distraction, etc. too, but in a different way. Not a big fan of either, but I had to have one, it would be TO I think. Actually, it appears that his 'personna' is more for marketing than anything else. In the interviews after the Sheridan incident, he seemed to be a genuine guy, and I was surprised. Moss on the other hand has always been t-r-o-u-b-l-e.

Funny though, you don't see any of this madness out of Manning and his receivers, and especially Marvin Harrison, who is at least close to their equals on the field.

http://homepage.mac.com/k.j.vinson/harrison.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/k.j.vinson/moss.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/k.j.vinson/owens.jpg

Woof, Woof - Dawg

xsedrinam

Jan 10, 2005, 07:59 PM

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macidiot

Jan 10, 2005, 08:01 PM

You see this yesterday?

http://cdn-channels.netscape.com/cppops/03/20050103_00001/i/moss_0110.jpg

During the Vikings-Packers game, Randy Moss pretended to pull down his pants and moon the Green Bay fans.

What a jackass. I hope he gets suspended for this weekend's game, in addition to any fine he receives.

What hasn't been said is why he did what he did. As Tony Dungy stated, the Green Bay Packers fans traditionally moon the opposing teams after a Packer victory. Add in the probably endless insults during the game, and I can see where Randy's display came from. In that context, it sounds like payback for the 2 earlier losses to the Packers this season. Jack Buck or Joe or whatever should shut his mouth and get a grip on reality. This was far from the worst thing that has happened in sports in the past year. Perhaps he should pay more attention to his original sport, baseball, and the travesty created by performance enhancing drugs. Or perhaps the drug, rape, assault, fraud, and murder related news in the NBA. Randy's display harmed nothing other than Mr. Buck's delicate sensibilities.

This is about as silly as the uproar over Janet Jackson's breast when no one said a thing about Nelly masturbating on stage during his song.

Bottomline, as bad as some people might think this is, at least he didn't go into the stands throwing punches (NBA anyone?).

grapes911

Jan 10, 2005, 09:01 PM

What hasn't been said is why he did what he did. As Tony Dungy stated, the Green Bay Packers fans traditionally moon the opposing teams after a Packer victory.

Actually, it has been said in this thread a few times already. Thanks for posting when you didn't read the whole thread.

invaLPsion

Jan 10, 2005, 09:23 PM

Randy Moss said he will do whatever he wants.

I wonder if he'll want to pay the fine he gets.

"I hope I don't get in trouble for it, but if I do, I'll take the heat."

-Randy Moss

Randy is a father, husband, and more importantly, a millionaire. He'll pay it.

invaLPsion

Jan 10, 2005, 09:26 PM

The signs and heckling are there because Randy Moss has shown a propensity to pull stunts like this in the past. He often doesn't play hard unless he is the intended receiver, heck, last week he walked off of the field as they were losing to Washington. If the signs bother him so much that he feels the need to respond then maybe he should look at his past behavior to realize why he is ridiculed so much.

Sure Randy pulls stunts like this, but he is a team leader on the Vikings. This season, he has played hard every single game. It's been tough for the Vikes, and considering the circumstances, he has not backed down against the pressure.

I ask this. Did walking off the field hurt anyone? Did it hurt anyone in the Packer's stadium? I think his two touchdown catches hurt them more. (One was an amazing catch with a sprained ankle I recall.)

invaLPsion

Jan 10, 2005, 09:29 PM

Randy Moss should be ashamed of himself. A disrespect of the fans. He should not play the next game and pay at least a $50,000 fine. Society should not tolerate actions like this.

Society shouldn't tolerate a number of things...

1. 36 million are in poverty in the United States (1/8 of the population)
2. 4.7 million children under the age of six are living in poverty.
3. 45 million Americans don't have health insurance.

The American people have a lot more things to worry about other than Randy Moss.

invaLPsion

Jan 10, 2005, 09:31 PM

invaLPsion

Jan 10, 2005, 09:35 PM

I have to say I also hate Randy Moss because of his attitude and lack of work ethic. What he did was disgraceful to his team, but not the most horrible thing I've ever seen. He'll get a fine, but nothing more. I do think the Eagles will beat them on Sunday (knock-on-wood). E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!

I don't think he will be fined, he didn't even get a penalty in the game...

Randy Moss has been a leader on the Vikes. Lack of work ethic? He is the BEST receiver in football. There is no competition.

The Vikes are gonna beat the Eagles. The Eagle's do not have an offense without T.O. And Mcnabb doesn't come even come close to Daunte.

Maclarny

Jan 10, 2005, 09:45 PM

Randy Moss could strip for all I care as long as he scores touchdowns. If the media and society truly thought it was such a heinous and disgusting act it wouldn't have received as much attention as it did.

Culpepper and the Vikes will get their roll on and beat the Eagles in a close, hard fought game. 'Nuff said.

QCassidy352

Jan 10, 2005, 09:47 PM

Funny though, you don't see any of this madness out of Manning and his receivers, and especially Marvin Harrison, who is at least close to their equals on the field.

You're right: Harrison is way underrated and it's largely because he doesn't do the flashy shows that TO and Moss do. At the risk of going off topic, though, I would argue that Moss is in a different category from the other 2, and really from almost any other receiver all time. Yes, the numbers look very close, but there's one number there that you might not pay much attention to that speaks volumes to me. The catches of 40+ yards. Moss is way beyond the other 2 in that category and that's why he's different.

When Randy Moss is on the field the whole game changes. Not reflected in the numbers is the fact that Moss is practically always in double coverage (the other 2 are frequently as well, but not to the same degree) because that's the only way to even contain him. His presence alone spreads the field and causes defenses to rearrange themselves in a way that helps open up every other receiver the Vikings have. Simply put, when you're against Moss, you have to be concerned about the Viking scoring a touchdown on any down from any point on the field. He's that fast and dangerous.

/off topic :)

invaLPsion

Jan 10, 2005, 09:53 PM

When Randy Moss is on the field the whole game changes. Not reflected in the numbers is the fact that Moss is practically always in double coverage (the other 2 are frequently as well, but not to the same degree) because that's the only way to even contain him. His presence alone spreads the field and causes defenses to rearrange themselves in a way that helps open up every other receiver the Vikings have. Simply put, when you're against Moss, you have to be concerned about the Viking scoring a touchdown on any down from any point on the field. He's that fast and dangerous.

/off topic :)

Quite correct. Almost every single play Randy Moss is double or even triple covered. Yet somehow he still manages to attain the same amount or even larger an amount of catches and touchdowns as his "equals."

Cursor

Jan 10, 2005, 09:54 PM

I don't think he will be fined, he didn't even get a penalty in the game...

Randy Moss has been a leader on the Vikes. Lack of work ethic? He is the BEST receiver in football. There is no competition.

The Vikes are gonna beat the Eagles. The Eagle's do not have an offense without T.O. And Mcnabb doesn't come even come close to Daunte.

You're kidding me, right?! Best receiver in football? Then why did the Eagles kill them in the regular season? Why was TO's ability the talk of the NFL during the season? The Eagles have a great OL, great half back, tight end, and QB. Not to mention 3 Pro Bowl DBs and a solid linebacker unit to shut down your "great" Daunte Culpepper and Moss. All the Vikings have is attitude. And that is what will do them in on Sunday. They are the most inconsistent team in the playoffs as of this week.

invaLPsion

Jan 10, 2005, 10:25 PM

You're kidding me, right?! Best receiver in football? Then why did the Eagles kill them in the regular season? Why was TO's ability the talk of the NFL during the season? The Eagles have a great OL, great half back, tight end, and QB. Not to mention 3 Pro Bowl DBs and a solid linebacker unit to shut down your "great" Daunte Culpepper and Moss. All the Vikings have is attitude. And that is what will do them in on Sunday. They are the most inconsistent team in the playoffs as of this week.

Right now, they are the most consistent team in the playoffs, as they have won one, and lost zero. The regular season means NOTHING.

Killed? Are you referring to the game where it is widely known that T.O.'s touchdown pass was in fact incomplete? (You can't dispute that.) When there were some terrible calls against the Vikings and where D.C. fumbled on the Goal line? No, that game could have gone either way, and it's gonna swing the Viking's way come Sunday. ;)

Too bad T.O, the "Talk of the NFL" is injured, and will be when D.C., and the BEST receivers in the NFL light up Philly's End Zone this weekend. :p

MacDawg

Jan 10, 2005, 10:40 PM

...and the BEST receivers in the NFL light up Philly's End Zone this weekend. :p

I think Indianapolis' crew might dispute this "best receivers" claim

Woof, Woof - Dawg

Cursor

Jan 10, 2005, 10:44 PM

Right now, they are the most consistent team in the playoffs, as they have won one, and lost zero. The regular season means NOTHING.

Killed? Are you referring to the game where it is widely known that T.O.'s touchdown pass was in fact incomplete? (You can't dispute that.) When there were some terrible calls against the Vikings and where D.C. fumbled on the Goal line? No, that game could have gone either way, and it's gonna swing the Viking's way come Sunday. ;)

Too bad T.O, the "Talk of the NFL" is injured, and will be when D.C., and the BEST receivers in the NFL light up Philly's End Zone this weekend. :p

Yeah, we'll see...we'll see if they make it out of the Bird's nest alive.

invaLPsion

Jan 10, 2005, 10:49 PM

Yeah, we'll see...we'll see if they make it out of the Bird's nest alive.

We'll see if your fans make it out without being exposed to a mooning by Randy. "OH the HORROR!" *Gasp* :p

Cursor

Jan 10, 2005, 10:54 PM

We'll see if your fans make it out without being exposed to a mooning by Randy. "OH the HORROR!" *Gasp* :p

Seriously-if he did that, I thik the fans would riot and try to get at him. Trash and everything else would be flying at him from everywhere. Mooning Philadelphia fans would be a huge and stupid mistake. :eek:

Abstract

Jan 10, 2005, 10:55 PM

But I have to say that this was funny. I was laughed my head off. He was getting ripped to no end on those signs and he probably got it even worse verbally. Its not like he jumped into the stands a beat up a bunch of people or thew a chair. HE DIDN'T EVEN REALLY MOON ANYONE. IT WAS A JOKE. The commentators have to lay off.

Yeah, that was funny!

Actually, I didn't initially think that he was "pretending" to moon the fans. I thought he pretended to pull down his pants, then danced around the neraby post like a stripper. :cool:

It was even funnier when I heard that he was mooning people. :)

grapes911

Jan 10, 2005, 11:15 PM

I don't think he will be fined, he didn't even get a penalty in the game...
How many posts you going to do in a row?

Randy Moss has been a leader on the Vikes. Lack of work ethic? He is the BEST receiver in football. There is no competition.
Most talented? Yes. Best receiver? There are atleast 2 (TO and Marrison) and maybe more (Horn, Ward, etc) receivers that most people would take before Moss. You don't follow football at all if you think he has good work ethic.

The Vikes are gonna beat the Eagles. The Eagle's do not have an offense without T.O. And Mcnabb doesn't come even come close to Daunte.

The Eagles' offense will be weaker than before, no doubt. But lets get real, between McFive and Westbrook the average (at best) defense of the Vikings is going to have its hands full. And Culpepper over NcNabb!?!? You've got to be kidding me. Daunte usually throws for more yards and more touchdowns. Don has less INTs and more wins. I, and any other sane person, would take wins over any other stat. More important #5 won in the playoffs regularly. Maybe he can't get past the NFC championship game, but Culpepper didn't even make the playoffs last year, and should be here this year. At 8-8, they should have but an AFC team in the NFC playoffs. If the Eagles loose, it will be because they beat themselves, not because the Vikes are a better team.

~Shard~

Jan 10, 2005, 11:51 PM

Randy Moss is an amazingly talented individual, I enjoy watching him play - He is truly one of the best receivers in the NFL.

As for this incident, it was a joke, and I found it quite hilarious. It's playoff time, everything is at a higher level, the Vikes (and especially Moss) had something to prove, so emotions got high. For those people who were offended or found it disgusting all I can say is man, are there some sensitive people out there! Lighten up and don't get your panties in a knot, there are things you've either done yourself or at least watched on TV that are ten times worse so smarten up, you hypocrites...

Some people need to get a sense of humor, this was hilarious and fun. It's not like he actually dropped his pants. :cool:

Should be a good game next week...

invaLPsion

Jan 10, 2005, 11:54 PM

How many posts you going to do in a row?

A lot. I'm dreadfully outnumbered here. ;)

You don't follow football at all if you think he has good work ethic.

I know how he practices and I have seen him practice. Training camp takes place in my hometown every year. He busts his butt out there. Last year he may have had some problems with effort but If you can point out one game where he hasnt given it his all (barring the last 2 seconds in the Redskin game; lets face it, it was over) I'd like you to apprise me.

And Culpepper over NcNabb!?!? You've got to be kidding me. Daunte usually throws for more yards and more touchdowns. Don has less INTs and more wins. I, and any other sane person, would take wins over any other stat. More important #5 won in the playoffs regularly. Maybe he can't get past the NFC championship game, but Culpepper didn't even make the playoffs last year, and should be here this year. At 8-8, they should have but an AFC team in the NFC playoffs. If the Eagles loose, it will be because they beat themselves, not because the Vikes are a better team.

Culpepper has 8 more touchdowns, a 6 point higher pass rating, a 5.2% higher completion rate, is more dangerous in the pocket and on the outside, and has much more passing yards. He's better. :D

We'll see come Sunday. It should be a great game. :)

macidiot

Jan 11, 2005, 12:01 AM

Actually, it has been said in this thread a few times already. Thanks for posting when you didn't read the whole thread.

your welcome. And as far as I can tell it was referred to only one time before I posted.

Thomas Veil

Jan 11, 2005, 01:18 AM

xsedrinam

Jan 11, 2005, 01:20 AM

Now this one makes sense. You might also add that the Eagles didn't get a #1 seed by gazing at the moon. The Vikings backed in to the playoffs with one of the poorest records along with the Rams. Come Sunday, they can talk about getting their "roll on" but they'll get rolled over. I lost all respect for the team which used to be a valid "black and blue division" NFC contender when they took their football inside and made it a gurly-man's game. In Philly, you'll see some steam comin' out of the helmets. That's the way it should be. For all the Eagles care, Moss could blow monkies out his butt; it will make little difference.
X
You're kidding me, right?! Best receiver in football? Then why did the Eagles kill them in the regular season? Why was TO's ability the talk of the NFL during the season? The Eagles have a great OL, great half back, tight end, and QB. Not to mention 3 Pro Bowl DBs and a solid linebacker unit to shut down your "great" Daunte Culpepper and Moss. All the Vikings have is attitude. And that is what will do them in on Sunday. They are the most inconsistent team in the playoffs as of this week.

Jimong5

Jan 11, 2005, 01:33 AM

i personally don't care how good Moss is. I once saw him jump on the back of a packer down a few years ago and jump off. He's never had a good attitude, and I don't have respect for him as a person. sure, he's a father, but any drunken hillbilly can be, that doesn't mean he's good. Knowing randy, he probably just gives them money and calls it parenting.

look at Barry Sanders, Brett Farve, Jerry Rice, Terry Bradshaw, or Even Reggie White.

Reggie White is the best example, seeing as how he just died, the entire league took notice. if Randy were to die tomorrow, I doubt it would have the same impact as Reggie did. Why? Reggie was a great player, and a great person. Is it too much to ask to have a little class? Class doesn't have anything to do with what Green Bay fans do, you wouldn't see any other Viking do that. Thats why Randy has such a bad rap, because he cant act with some decency.

Xtremehkr

Jan 11, 2005, 01:52 AM

The culture of Professional Sports has never struck me as being mature. They are all kind of enormous spoilt kidults. Since winning is the only respected result it doesn't seem to matter, except when it goes wrong.

QCassidy352

Jan 11, 2005, 05:00 AM

Reggie White is the best example, seeing as how he just died, the entire league took notice. if Randy were to die tomorrow, I doubt it would have the same impact as Reggie did. Why? Reggie was a great player, and a great person. Is it too much to ask to have a little class? Class doesn't have anything to do with what Green Bay fans do, you wouldn't see any other Viking do that. Thats why Randy has such a bad rap, because he cant act with some decency.

Not to speak ill of the dead, but I'm not sure I'd use White as my model of a "great person."

"Famed Green Bay Packers defensive end Reggie White stepped into controversy a year ago (1998) with his speech to the Wisconsin Legislature in which he called homosexuality a sin and said blacks like to dance, Asians could "turn a television into a watch," Hispanics knew how to put 20 or 30 people under the same roof, and whites were good at making money.

Then he appeared in a national newspaper advertisement and taped a commercial against same-sex 'marriages.' "
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/read.reggiewhite.html

If you want to avoid seeing murders, you stay away from the cop shows. But what are we supposed to do if we want to avoid seeing vulgar self-aggrandizement, stop watching football? And if Moss's little performance is considered acceptable, then what are we going to see next -- Moss pretending to whip out his penis and piss all over the field? Ha ha ha, how funny.

I don't know... i just don't think it was that bad. I don't think it was that funny, but for goodness' sake he *pretended* to engage in what is itself a mildy offensive act. I just don't see mooning as that harmful - it's crass, a bit funny, and rather tasteless. And Moss only mimed actually doing it.

I think Indianapolis' crew might dispute this "best receivers" claim

As a *group* Indy's guys are clearly the best. But first, they also have the best QB in football throwing to them so they look a lot better than they would with Trent Dilfer in the pocket. And second, as individuals, they can't compare to Moss (except Marvin, who is clearly among the best as well, though not quite on the same level for the reasons I went in to earlier).

MacDawg

Jan 11, 2005, 06:07 AM

As a *group* Indy's guys are clearly the best. But first, they also have the best QB in football throwing to them so they look a lot better than they would with Trent Dilfer in the pocket. And second, as individuals, they can't compare to Moss (except Marvin, who is clearly among the best as well, though not quite on the same level for the reasons I went in to earlier).

The point being made was that the Vikings had the best receivers, plural, in the game... and I was not claiming any one of them to be better than Moss, but as a group, they are better than anyone in the league. And how good would Moss be with Trent Dilfer?

No, I'm not doubting Moss as a player, he is one of the all time best at what he does on the field. I still wouldn't want him on my team. Personally, I'd rather lose without him, than win with him. And I'd certainly take TO over him, and I'm no TO fan either.

FWIW, I'd take Donavan over Daunte too. But I'd rather have Brady than either of them. As far as Peyton goes... I'm a Dawg fan, so his years at Tennessee cloud my thinking. He never beat Florida, never won the national championship. Looks like now that NE is his Florida. Records, yes. Championships, no. I'll take Brady and Belichek over Peyton and Dungy.

As far as Eagles/Vikings... doesn't matter. The AFC clearly has the dominant teams this year. NE, Pit, Colts, Jets are all better than anything the NFC has this year, especially now that TO is out for the Eagles.

Woof, Woof - Dawg

Applespider

Jan 11, 2005, 06:50 AM

Someone really did 'moon' during this weekend's games although it was accidental.

Ken Lucas, the Seahawks #21, lost his pants as he tried to tackle Torry Holt near the start of the game (the 50 yard pass to Holt for those who intend going back to check). His pants slid down as he made the tackle and two buttcheeks were clearly visible tho quickly cut from.

~Shard~

Jan 11, 2005, 08:02 AM

For those who are saying we shouldn't be offended and we're too sensitive, or are making comparisons to TV murder and mayhem...consider the context. If you want to avoid seeing murders, you stay away from the cop shows. But what are we supposed to do if we want to avoid seeing vulgar self-aggrandizement, stop watching football? And if Moss's little performance is considered acceptable, then what are we going to see next -- Moss pretending to whip out his penis and piss all over the field? Ha ha ha, how funny.

Actually that would probably be kind of funny as well. ;) Seriously, I feel sorry for anyone who thinks that mooning is vulgar - it's a playful, mischievous gesture which is quite harmless and fun. If you've never mooned anyone in your life then I guess you're pretty conservative and easily-offended, but I guess there's nothing wrong with that. Again though, Moss didn't even actually moon the audience - that would have been something completely different because it would have been indecent exposure, and yes, I would have had issues with that. But come on people, lighten up! Sometimes these players yell things to the opposing crowds when they score which are ten times worse and extremely vulgar - things that are far worse than pretend-mooning - but do you ever hear any people complain over that?

If pretend-mooning is vulgar to some people, then those people are living sheltered lives, are hyper-sensitive, and need to lighten up their sense of humor. I'd hate to see how they cope in the real world. Ah well, what can ya do... :cool:

atszyman

Jan 11, 2005, 08:02 AM

I know how he practices and I have seen him practice. Training camp takes place in my hometown every year. He busts his butt out there. Last year he may have had some problems with effort but If you can point out one game where he hasnt given it his all (barring the last 2 seconds in the Redskin game; lets face it, it was over) I'd like you to apprise me.

I can't believe that you think Randy gives his all in every game.

This from a Minnesota online news paper calling Moss the Vikings best player.

"Well, we'll concede that Moss doesn't give his all on every play."

http://www.citypages.com/bestof2001/outandabout/bestof1431.asp

It is from 2001 but I have seen little to make me think he has changed much.

~Shard~

Jan 11, 2005, 08:08 AM

Culpepper has 8 more touchdowns, a 6 point higher pass rating, a 5.2% higher completion rate, is more dangerous in the pocket and on the outside, and has much more passing yards. He's better. :D

Just thought I'd add that he had the most passing yards in the entire NFL this year out of any quarterback as well, with Peyton only coming in third. Daunte has always impressed me too.

Regardless of all this bickering though between Vikings and Eagles fans, it should be a good game Sunday, and I'll enjoy it no matter who is victorious. :cool:

atszyman

Jan 11, 2005, 08:10 AM

For the record I was not offended by the celebration. I thought it should have drawn a flag for excessive celebration but I don't necessarily deem it fine worthy, it is not nearly as bad as TO's cell phone and autograph stunts.

I just don't have much tolerance for Moss's antics. He has done nothing to earn my respect and I definitely would not want him on my football team. For years he was more harm to the Vikings than he was good due to his expansive ego and no one willing to stand up for him. He appears to have improved a bit this year but not by much.

His walking off of the field may have made little difference in the Washington game but he should have been benched or fired for that. If I just get up and leave my job when things aren't going well I won't get to keep that job for long.

jemeinc

Jan 11, 2005, 09:15 AM

You see this yesterday?

http://cdn-channels.netscape.com/cppops/03/20050103_00001/i/moss_0110.jpg
During the Vikings-Packers game, Randy Moss pretended to pull down his pants and moon the Green Bay fans.

What a jackass. I hope he gets suspended for this weekend's game, in addition to any fine he receives.

Honestly, I think people are making too big a deal out of this... Joe Buck went over the top when he was announcing the game- I'm more offended by those cialis commercials than this...lol... Or how about Brett Favre & his latest act of random stupidity & than laughing about it ?... I was more offended by that... C'mon Brett, take one for the team, lower your shoulder & get that 1st down ... Buck thought that was the greatest thing in the world though... Don't get me wrong, I strongly dislike Randy Moss, & his ilk, & see 1st hand the effect they have on HS kids playing football- as a football coach this is a huge problem for us... But when everyone sees the medias Golden Boy bail out on a play in a BIG game, that's a problem too, yet no one ever mentions it...I don't get it... & please don't think I'm downplaying Favre's career- he's a hall of famer- but he hasn't given a damn about the game since '99- yet no matter what he does no one says a word...

jemeinc

Jan 11, 2005, 09:54 AM

Culpepper and the Vikes will get their roll on and beat the Eagles in a close, hard fought game. 'Nuff said.

Eagles will destroy this Viking team !!!... Just because the Vikings sat back & let an overrated Packer team & ,Favre in particular, beat themselves doesn't mean they're ready for a rested & healthy (TO being the exception) Eagle team... Eagles in a laugher...

1macker1

Jan 11, 2005, 10:19 AM

They say the Packers fans line up and moon the opposing team after a win. So this was simply a "you loss" moon. GO RANDY GO.

Brett farve is living on past greatness.

xsedrinam

Jan 11, 2005, 11:07 AM

FWIW, I'd take Donavan over Daunte too. But I'd rather have Brady than either of them. As far as Peyton goes... I'm a Dawg fan, so his years at Tennessee cloud my thinking. He never beat Florida, never won the national championship. Looks like now that NE is his Florida. Records, yes. Championships, no. I'll take Brady and Belichek over Peyton and Dungy.

As far as Eagles/Vikings... doesn't matter. The AFC clearly has the dominant teams this year. NE, Pit, Colts, Jets are all better than anything the NFC has this year, especially now that TO is out for the Eagles.

MacDawg, I agree with your second part. I don't see the NFC as having a team that can beat either NE, Indy or the Steelers. I think this matchup this weekend will be the SuperBowl. However, Peyton's "years at TN" are in the past. His work ethic, skills, maturity and highly skilled personnel scattered over various key positions will make for a great challenge to NE's experience and maturity. I'm not generally an AFC fan, but I like either NE, Indy or Pitt. to take it all this year. I do think that the Eagles will put away Moss and Co., moons or no moons.
X

grapes911

Jan 11, 2005, 11:15 AM

Jimong5

Jan 11, 2005, 07:38 PM

Not to speak ill of the dead, but I'm not sure I'd use White as my model of a "great person."

"Famed Green Bay Packers defensive end Reggie White stepped into controversy a year ago (1998) with his speech to the Wisconsin Legislature in which he called homosexuality a sin and said blacks like to dance, Asians could "turn a television into a watch," Hispanics knew how to put 20 or 30 people under the same roof, and whites were good at making money.

Then he appeared in a national newspaper advertisement and taped a commercial against same-sex 'marriages.' "
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/read.reggiewhite.html
yeah, and everyone else in the world hasn't said something racist once. and for same sex marriages, I happen to disagree, but i can't blame him for being dedicated to his religion. He was a minister, and thats generally a catholic view. Were still in the minority anyway, and he's in the majority, as the presidential election shows.

I don't know... i just don't think it was that bad. I don't think it was that funny, but for goodness' sake he *pretended* to engage in what is itself a mildy offensive act. I just don't see mooning as that harmful - it's crass, a bit funny, and rather tasteless. And Moss only mimed actually doing it.
But he didn't need to. It was potentially shocking, and wasn't necessary. Add this incident to walking off early, and its just adding more insult to his reputation.

As a *group* Indy's guys are clearly the best. But first, they also have the best QB in football throwing to them so they look a lot better than they would with Trent Dilfer in the pocket. And second, as individuals, they can't compare to Moss (except Marvin, who is clearly among the best as well, though not quite on the same level for the reasons I went in to earlier).

But its a team game. This isn't a "give one guy the ball and tell him to win" Finding players to work together is what the games supposed to be about. this isn't like baseball where one guy has his hand on the ball at a time. this isn't basketball where one guy can win the game by scoring 50 points. If one player, no matter who he is, blows his job, (if a lineman misses a block, if a receiver drops the ball) you can cost your team the entire game.
Ill take 2 alright players any day over 1 star, especially a a star with the worst attitude in the NFL.

Applespider

Jan 13, 2005, 02:10 PM

And to tie it all up, Fox are reporting that Randy's been given a $10,000 fine - double what Plummer got for giving the Broncos' fans the finger earlier in the season.

xsedrinam

Jan 13, 2005, 04:38 PM

And to tie it all up, Fox are reporting that Randy's been given a $10,000 fine - double what Plummer got for giving the Broncos' fans the finger earlier in the season.

The Joe Buck stops here. :D

grapes911

Jan 13, 2005, 10:59 PM

And to tie it all up, Fox are reporting that Randy's been given a $10,000 fine - double what Plummer got for giving the Broncos' fans the finger earlier in the season.

This is the real atrocity. Give me a break. So pretending to moon is worse than giving the finger? I just don't get it.

~Shard~

Jan 13, 2005, 11:11 PM

Yep. Like I said, people are making way too big a deal out of this. Get a life and try not being so easily offended and hyper-sensitive.

Chip NoVaMac

Jan 14, 2005, 09:11 AM

And to tie it all up, Fox are reporting that Randy's been given a $10,000 fine - double what Plummer got for giving the Broncos' fans the finger earlier in the season.

And his comments show that fines mean nothing to some of these players since they are paid so much, both in salary and endorsements.

The owners are so greedy that they will never remove a player for bad sportsmanship. It affects their wallets too deeply.

Applespider

Jan 14, 2005, 09:28 AM

Actually, Mariucci suspended Terrell Owens after his first public celebration of dissing the Cowboys star after a TD - and getting an opposition player tossed out of the game. I can't recall if the league also fined him but Mooch suspended him for the next game...

...and it had just about as much effect as losing $10K given he went on to get worse and worse and Mooch got fired :rolleyes:

1macker1

Jan 14, 2005, 10:00 AM

How about removing the fans that moon'd the team first. If you don't like what's going on, then don't watch it. I thought it was just was the Packer fans deserved.
And his comments show that fines mean nothing to some of these players since they are paid so much, both in salary and endorsements.

The owners are so greedy that they will never remove a player for bad sportsmanship. It affects their wallets too deeply.

tristan

Jan 14, 2005, 12:56 PM

wdlove

Jan 14, 2005, 03:01 PM

Hockey's on strike, Basketball has in the stands brawls, Baseball's got half the players on juice.

If football's biggest problem right now is that Moss pretended to moon some fans, then the sport's in pretty good shape.

There is also the problem of a lot of players being convicted of serious crimes. Somewhere these problems have to be fixed. Baseball has made a start with one year mandatory drug testing, along with year wound voluntary testing. It also has teeth first offense suspension for ten days, second it's for a year.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2005/01/13/sports1832EST0414.DTL

Here is another thought on this situation about Randy, an employee. How many of you could go to your place of employment and do a fake mooning and still have a job.

Applespider

Jan 14, 2005, 03:27 PM

Here is another thought on this situation about Randy, an employee. How many of you could go to your place of employment and do a fake mooning and still have a job.

Guess it depends how important I was to the company. If I was the top salesperson or developer, then I imagine I'd get a lot more leeway than if I was the tea lady,

grapes911

Jan 14, 2005, 06:49 PM

There is also the problem of a lot of players being convicted of serious crimes. Somewhere these problems have to be fixed. Baseball has made a start with one year mandatory drug testing, along with year wound voluntary testing. It also has teeth first offense suspension for ten days, second it's for a year.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2005/01/13/sports1832EST0414.DTL

Actually...A first positive test would result in a penalty of 10 days, a second positive test in a 30-day ban, a third positive in a 60-day penalty, and a fourth positive test in a one-year ban -- all without pay. A player who tests positive a fifth time would be subject to discipline determined by the commissioner.ESPN Story (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1966232)

And what's your point? This is a start? The NFL is years ahead of them with a much stricter policy than MLB. What do steriods have to with pretend mooning?

Here is another thought on this situation about Randy, an employee. How many of you could go to your place of employment and do a fake mooning and still have a job.
Does that really apply here? How many people can go play football in the office and still have a job? How many people can tackle the competition and still have a job?