Police: Mother kills girl with bleach

[jsw]

From CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/01/14/daughter.killed.ap/index.html):

A woman angry with her 12-year-old daughter for having sex forced the girl to drink bleach and sat on her until the child died, a police detective said.

The girl's 9-year-old brother was forced to watch the attack, Detective Warren Cotton testified Thursday in a preliminary hearing for Tunisia Archie, 31.

Archie is charged with capital murder in the asphyxiation death of her daughter Jasmine. If convicted, she could be sentenced to death or life in prison without parole.

Cotton said Archie, who has been jailed without bond since shortly after her daughter's Nov. 26 death, told authorities she was disturbed because "her daughter told her that she was no longer a virgin."

She said she poured bleach into Jasmine's mouth and the child vomited, he said, then sat on her until she stopped breathing, Cotton testified.

Archie forced Jasmine's 9-year-old brother Jacorey to watch the attack and "told him that if he shed a tear that she was going to kill him, too," Cotton testified.

Despicable.

[chanoc]

WTF? :eek:

Sounds like the right-wing-god-fearing-insane-from-too-much-religion USA. :rolleyes:

So what is the big deal? So what the girl had sex, it's biological - happens sooner or later.

[quagmire]

WTF? :eek:

Sounds like the right-wing-god-fearing-insane-from-too-much-religion USA. :rolleyes:

So what is the big deal? So what the girl had sex, it's biological - happens sooner or later.



Might as well have sex at 6 years old since it will happen or later. Should we all die now since it will happen sooner or later?
:rolleyes:

Well anyway, I am hoping the death sentence. It was stupid though of the daughter to blurt out that she wasn't a virgin anymore. At least she was being honest.

[neilrobinson]

thats horrifying, i can believe anyone would do that especially to a child! :eek:

[chanoc]

Might as well have sex at 6 years old since it will happen or later. Should we all die now since it will happen sooner or later?
:rolleyes:



Like to shift the matter to suite your subjective logic? :rolleyes:

[Deefuzz]

Sounds like the right-wing-god-fearing-insane-from-too-much-religion USA. :rolleyes:



:rolleyes:

[stubeeef]

WTF? :eek:

Sounds like the right-wing-god-fearing-insane-from-too-much-religion USA. :rolleyes:

So what is the big deal? So what the girl had sex, it's biological - happens sooner or later.

Sounds like the left-wing-god-hating-insane-from-too-much-government-intervention USA. :rolleyes:

Because afterall she is obviously a wack job!
Put her a way for life!

[spikeovsky]

Sounds like the right-wing-god-fearing-insane-from-too-much-religion USA.
Sounds like the left-wing-god-hating-insane-from-too-much-government-intervention USA.

Can't we just agree on the "insane" bit? :(

[applemacdude]

now now lets not make this political...

[Mechcozmo]

Can't we just agree on the "insane" bit? :(

Yes. Who would kill their own children by poisoning them and asphyxiating them? (Rhetorical question alert!)

[tech4all]

Really sad and sicking that a mother would do that to her child. I understand the whole sex/virgin thing and her being upset about that, but you do not kill someone for that. I hope they lock her up and throw away the key or something :( :mad:

[3Memos]

At 12, I was still trying to get the nerve up to talk to a girl. So sad that she lost her virginity so early, and so sad her mom went to looney-land.

[Abstract]

In America, both the left and right are intolerable, so lets drop it. ;)

Even if the mother made her daughter drink bleach and left it at that, at least she wouldn't have died. It really doesn't make sense to want to kill your kids that badly after this incident unless she has already thought about it, possibly for some other things her daughter had done in the past already. And glaring at your son and telling him that she'd kill him too......hmmm

[iJon]

This is a terrible event. The way I look at it is if the daughter had sex at age 12 then there is more to this story. Probably huge family issues, I would imagine abuse or something along those lines. And the mother acting the way she did just fits in with the category of highly dysfunctional family if you ask me. I think death penalty by drinking Clorox would suit this mother just fine, save the jail space for someone else.

jon

[virividox]

just read the article this is sick

[tech4all]

Even if the mother made her daughter drink bleach and left it at that, at least she wouldn't have died.

So drinking the bleach alone would not have been fatal? But the mother sitting on her is what really killed her? Or a combination of both?

But again a very disturbing story. 12 year old having sex. Mother forces child to drink bleach and then sits on her thus killing her. :(


EDIT: Nevermind just finished reading the article. She stopped breathing as a result of the mom sitting on her. I really should finish reading the story :o

[snkTab]

bleach can kill if ingested

[pcdoctor]

Something tells me this was a single parent home.

[Applespider]

One thing that concerns me here is what effect it will have on other young girls trying to find the courage to tell their mother that they have had sex and now they either have an STD or are pregnant.

Much of the advice given out to kids in that position is to tell their parents. It's emphasised that although they're likely to be cross, you're still their daughter and they will help you. Years of pushing that message goes with this case - tell your mother, and she'll kill you (literally!)

pcdoctor, it may have been a single parent home but I doubt that was the only reason for this. It must have been dysfunctional in some other way. There are plenty of single parents who manage to raise kids without them having underage sex, dealing/taking drugs, truanting school. I know several with kids who have gone to university, have good jobs, happy families.

[CorvusCamenarum]

Well, now I'm officially ashamed to be from Alabama. We're not all like this, I swear. I'm about an hour west of B'ham too. And yes, this probably was a single parent home. In the bad part of Birmingham.

[Littleodie914]

...Well anyway, I am hoping the death sentence. It was stupid though of the daughter to blurt out that she wasn't a virgin anymore. At least she was being honest.True, but would putting it off had made it any better? And being 12, the girl was probably petrified about what happened, and was worried about it. Thinking "mom" would be caring and supportive of her daughter's honesty and fear, she told her, probably looking for advice. That's just sick that anyone would do that to a child... :( :mad:

[dsharits]

Something tells me this was a single parent home.

What on God's green earth would give you that idea? :rolleyes:

Daniel

[emw]

I can't think of anything much more disturbing. As a parent, I can't even imagine the thought of losing either of my children, let alone killing them.

[wdlove]

Such a sad situation. For a mother to commit such a heinous act, there must have been a lot more going on with the family dynamics. There is no punishment of Earth that could cover this.

I also feel for the 9 year old, having to watch this. Now he has lost a sister and mother. Hopefully there will be a loving family member to adopt him. Would hope that her way of dealing doesn't run in the family. He will need years of counseling. :eek: :(

[KingSleaze]

True, but would putting it off had made it any better? And being 12, the girl was probably petrified about what happened, and was worried about it. Thinking "mom" would be caring and supportive of her daughter's honesty and fear, she told her, probably looking for advice. That's just sick that anyone would do that to a child... :( :mad:

I doubt daughter was petrified. Probably said it in anger or to get mom angry. I wonder if she said it just to get some reaction. I wonder if she really might have been a virgin (that portion of the girl's medical condition isn't in the article) or had she been assaulted by someone she trusted (clergy or teacher)
Yes, it is shame it occurred (all the way around).

[virividox]

like wdlove, i am very concerned for the welfare of the 9 year old. i cant imagine having go through that kind of trauma. i do hope someone takes care of him, and if he is put in a orphanage that he gets some counseling this can really mess someone up, im disturbed just reading about it, imagine witnessing it.

[sonyrules]

Sounds like the left-wing-god-hating-insane-from-too-much-government-intervention USA. :rolleyes:

Because afterall she is obviously a wack job!
Put her a way for life!

Put away? NO, MAKE HER DRINK BLEACH!!! thats just insane.

[blackfox]

Just idle speculation, but does anyone think the forced drinking of bleach may have been symbolic, in the same sense that some of us had our mouths washed out with soap for dirty language (or whatnot)? Perhaps the girl had engaged in Oral sex?

Just looking for some (twisted) logic to the situation.

Admittedly, the particular manner of asphyxiation defies my understanding. If completely intentional, wouldn't you just use your hands?

Don't get me wrong, this lady deserves stiff penalties, I am just trying to find the method to the madness.

[absolut_mac]

Sounds like the right-wing-god-fearing-insane-from-too-much-religion USA. :rolleyes:

What peverse enjoyment do you, and others on this forum, get from turning almost any story into a political issue?

The woman is obviously insane and religion and politics have nothing to do with it. As difficult as it may be for you to accept, there are both insane lefties and righties, although they themselves probably only see themselves as being *right* - pun intended!

[snkTab]

I am just trying to find the method to the madness.


I blame video games, violence in the media, and Saddam

edit: I guess you also have to watch what your child watches these days. http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=105252

[wdlove]

Sadly in this day and age there are people that shouldn't have children. Luckily some of those realize the situation and don't have children. There needs to be a mechanism for weeding out unfit parent. Required child rearing classes would be a good start.

[Lord Blackadder]

I am sick with hate and sadness. There is no justice on earth for such an act.

[3Memos]

I am sick with hate and sadness. There is no justice on earth for such an act.

China's One Child policy is pretty sad and is an injustice also. This policy actually encourages parents to kill unwanted female babies. Its a terrible policy, every bit as sad as this news is.

[andiwm2003]

China's One Child policy is pretty sad and is an injustice also. This policy actually encourages parents to kill unwanted female babies. Its a terrible policy, every bit as sad as this news is.

i heard people saying that several times. but the few chinese people i know say that's just a rumor. so far i couldn't find any credible source for the claim that the chinese encorage killing of babies. of course nobody would talk openly about that.
do you have any hard numbers that validate this? i only came across rumors that the authorities kill second born babies right a birth. but again i never found facts....

it's very sad anyways...

[3Memos]

do you have any hard numbers that validate this? i only came across rumors that the authorities kill second born babies right a birth. but again i never found facts....

it's very sad anyways...

You just have to look at the population consensus. Boys outnumber girls 3 to 1.

[snkTab]

i heard people saying that several times. but the few chinese people i know say that's just a rumor. so far i couldn't find any credible source for the claim that the chinese encorage killing of babies. of course nobody would talk openly about that.
do you have any hard numbers that validate this? i only came across rumors that the authorities kill second born babies right a birth. but again i never found facts....

it's very sad anyways...

in the country they just leave the babys for nature. of course this has been done since time began. and yeah, just look at the male/female ratio. won't it suck when your famous/rich/good looking in china but can't find a girl because the gov't will eventually consider them a endangered species and keep them all for gov't employees. adoption from other countries like the US help take away a lot of babies each year, but i suspect that this doesn't even make a dent in the total number of girls in china.

Sadly in this day and age there are people that shouldn't have children.

its easy to say things have gotten worse than say, previous decades. most have which is because we wish times were better like before, but it's not true. except in this case. parents need to wake up and take care of their F&*#$ children

[Lyle]

Well, now I'm officially ashamed to be from Alabama. We're not all like this, I swear. I'm about an hour west of B'ham too. And yes, this probably was a single parent home. In the bad part of Birmingham.You don't have anything to be ashamed of; I don't think any reasonable person would leap to the conclusion that killing your children by forcing them to drink bleach and then sitting on them until they suffocate is standard practice in Alabama. ;) And though I believe you're correct about the location of the Wylam neighborhood (West Birmingham, maybe near Fairfield?) I don't think there's an "automatic" association between the two. The sad fact is that this mother is as crazy as an outhouse rat. Regardless of what happens to the mother at this point, I just hope they get the little boy out of there and into some safer environment.

By the way, was there any coverage of this on the Birmingham news over the weekend? I didn't hear anything about it up here (in Huntsville).

Edit: Ah, on further reading I see that the murder actually occurred on November 26, but that the preliminary hearing has just taken place.

[Lyle]

Admittedly, the particular manner of asphyxiation defies my understanding. If completely intentional, wouldn't you just use your hands?A separate story (http://www.al.com/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/base/news-11/1105737555144800.xml&storylist=alabamanews) provides some additional details that were omitted from the CNN story:
"She told me that she sat on her chest until she stopped breathing," [Detective Warren Cotton] said.

Jasmine was 5 feet 10 and weighed 240 pounds, while the mother is tall and slender. But the medical examiner ruled that Jasmine died from asphyxia, which is caused by suffocation, and was found dead, on her back, in her bedroom.So Jasmine was not a petite girl. It sounds suspicious to me that her "tall and slender" mother could have suffocated her by merely sitting on her daughter's chest.

[spikeovsky]

i heard people saying that several times. but the few chinese people i know say that's just a rumor. so far i couldn't find any credible source for the claim that the chinese encorage killing of babies. of course nobody would talk openly about that.
do you have any hard numbers that validate this? i only came across rumors that the authorities kill second born babies right a birth. but again i never found facts....

it's very sad anyways...
I don't think that it's fair to say that the Chinese government openly encourages killing babies, but economic and other incentives - having more than one child can make finding employment difficult - make it more likely that people will resort to desperate measures. As other people have noted, the country's sex ratio speaks for itself. It's not just infanticide, though - equally disturbing is the availability of very late term (i.e. 6-7 months) abortion. Whatever your position on abortion (and I hope not to turn this into an abortion debate), I think most people would agree that is *awfully* late.

[snkTab]

A separate story (http://www.al.com/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/base/news-11/1105737555144800.xml&storylist=alabamanews) provides some additional details that were omitted from the CNN story:
So Jasmine was not a petite girl. It sounds suspicious to me that her "tall and slender" mother could have suffocated her by merely sitting on her daughter's chest.

drinking blech can cause damage/swelling to the airways and thus induce suffocation