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chmorley
Sep 4, 2002, 07:10 PM
Chimera nightlies (ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/chimera/nightly/latest-trunk/) have just turned 0.5. Last time this happened, the "official" milestone release followed within 2 days.

For those who haven't been keeping up with the nightlies, it's getting more stable, and it uses favicons.

And it's still fast as hell.

Chris

bousozoku
Sep 4, 2002, 08:48 PM
That's kewl. I try it from time to time. It's still a little raw for me...or at least, 0.4.0 was. It's has great potential but I'll still with Mozilla until later releases.

FattyMembrane
Sep 4, 2002, 09:19 PM
i saw that they hit .5 on the chimera boards, but i'm to lazy to sign up for an account so that i can post. does anyone know if the newer versions require 10.2? i've been a bit too hesitant to download the nightlies.

mac15
Sep 4, 2002, 09:34 PM
wicke man, thats awesome, me is gonna go Download it and then come back

mac15
Sep 4, 2002, 09:42 PM
very nice, still on complicated sites it crashes

such as www.foxsports.com.au , bang is a sec it goes but other than that its insane

sjs
Sep 4, 2002, 09:56 PM
it's excellent...fast and stable. Really its better now than OW, but OW is still the most elegant-looking.

In "About Navigator" is still shows special thanks to Apple. Wonder if it will be an Apple iApp soon?

chmorley
Sep 4, 2002, 10:38 PM
Originally posted by mac15
very nice, still on complicated sites it crashes

such as www.foxsports.com.au , bang is a sec it goes but other than that its insane Not having any problems at the site you posted. I was able to read all about your boy Hewitt. Not sure why...

Chris

scem0
Sep 4, 2002, 10:48 PM
If apple makes a browser that is Chimera-based that would be so awesome. They would call it iBrowser, iNavigate, or iWeb I bet. Maybe even iSurf That would be freakin' tight. :D, now I wont be able to go to sleep b/c I will be thinking about iSurf or whatever it would be called.

kungfu
Sep 4, 2002, 10:55 PM
i don't know about an apple branded web browser... at first thought, it kind of sounds neat, but then again... do you really want apple to get into the whole browser war? obviously it would be nice because they would be able to control the quality, etc., but it would just be another thing for them to be doing....

kungfu

FattyMembrane
Sep 4, 2002, 11:00 PM
i dont know if apple would use chimera as the basis for thier own browser if they ever decided to pursue such a thing (although that would obviously be the best candidtate). just look at itunes, instead of using the free LAME encoder, they chose some inferior proprietary one, i'm assuming to appease people who dont like open source products (which makes no sense when you're runing darwin). seeing as they're all buddy-buddy with aol (ichat), they would probably use something with the netscape brand name (althought the line between moz and net is blurring daily). i'm sincerly hoping that they choose to use chimera and just brand it "apple netscape" or some other buisness like that. apple always tends to surprise us with ideas from left field.

jaykk
Sep 4, 2002, 11:06 PM
I was using Chimera from the beginning then when Mozilla RC came out, i switched to Mozilla. I just downloaded Chimera .5, its really fast in Jaugr. But it went backwards in some features. Now the number of tabes u can open at once is limited . I think i am going to stick with Mozilla some more time. Also, Mozilla have a close tab button which is missing from Chimera. other than that Chimera is getting better..

iJon
Sep 4, 2002, 11:23 PM
last time i heard apple had hired a lead developer of chimera or mozilla or one of those programs. i think apple will make a web browser. this statements i am making are based on some stuff that was posted earlier this summer about apple hiring that guy.

iJon

AmbitiousLemon
Sep 5, 2002, 12:11 AM
Originally posted by iJon
last time i heard apple had hired a lead developer of chimera or mozilla or one of those programs. i think apple will make a web browser. this statements i am making are based on some stuff that was posted earlier this summer about apple hiring that guy.

iJon

apple hired dave hyatt the original leader of the chimera project. the project was handed over to mike pinkerton before dave went to apple.

RANDOM RUMORS/INFO TO FUEL THE FIRE:
1) it has been suggested that netscape is interested in chimera as the osx netscape.
2) chimera was auto-detected by jaguar's internet pref pane in beta builds.
3) apple used chimera in mwny presentations
4) a thank you to apple has been present in the chimera get info since at least .2
5) dave repeatedly denied associations between chimera and netscape or apple before being hired by apple (dave had formerly worked for netscape).
6) no one knows what dave is working on at apple...


when i first installed jag i decided to see if i could switch to chimera full time by trying to use it exclusively for a week. i have been using it ever since but here are my complaints:
1) sidebar wont open on left (violation apple HIG)
2) no contextual menu option to open in new tab.
3) no button to close tab (need to use command-w)
4) no contextual menu to block ads
5) no spell check (its cocoa so they just need to take advtange of services)
6) preferences lack ability to block popups (it will ask you once if a pop up appears and never again... dont miss your chance) and other annoying ad things (resize windows, move windows, etc)
7) poor proxy support (useless for me)
8) poor implementation of history/bookmarks (must use sidepanel and cant use the 'file bookmark' feature from moz)

looking at my list you will see it is incredibly nit-picky. i mean im digging to come up with things. all in all chimera is definitely at a point where it can be used as your main browser.... but dont take my word for it, check it out for yourself (http://chimera.mozdev.org/)

hesdeadjim
Sep 5, 2002, 01:31 AM
I've used Chimera some, but I have a lot of problems with it crashing. Maybe it was just 0.4 or my computer, but It didn't work well. So, I've stuck with Mozilla because it seems to work all the time and it has some more features I like. That being said, Chimera had some great features that Mozilla should "borrow" like the sidebar.

A little off-subject, but just cruising these posts, I see most people don't use Explorer on these sites, which is quite different from the PC world. In fact, I might be bold to say that it has created a true browser war in Macs (it also helps that explorer for Mac sucks). I don't think that Apple should brand a browser necessairly, but the market for them is quite open on this side of the computing world. I only know one or two PC users who don't use Explorer. Anyway, just a stupid observation.

20 Posts!! :D

Rower_CPU
Sep 5, 2002, 01:44 AM
Originally posted by sjs
it's excellent...fast and stable. Really its better now than OW, but OW is still the most elegant-looking.
…

Other than the fact that it can't render CSS correctly...:rolleyes:

I'm gonna check out .5....4 has been nice, but still hasn't replaced IE for me yet...

Rower_CPU
Sep 5, 2002, 01:50 AM
OK, not good...strike 1 against it, it won't launch.

[edit: Had to trash the prefs. Hopefully a nightly glitch.]

irmongoose
Sep 5, 2002, 03:02 AM
Also, I find that if I go to a site such as versiontracker, and select download, I HAVE to stop the automatic download process, or it just crashes. And then, I have to manually control click on the link as click Save link as...


Maybe it was just 0.4, I'll download the nightly build to see how it goes.




irmongoose

FattyMembrane
Sep 5, 2002, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon


2) no contextual menu option to open in new tab.
5) no spell check (its cocoa so they just need to take advtange of services)
6) preferences lack ability to block popups (it will ask you once if a pop up appears and never again... dont miss your chance) and other annoying ad things (resize windows, move windows, etc)


i'm using .4 and there's a contextual menu to open links in a new tab. are you talking about pages themselves? i've heard that because the cocoazilla object is based on the c++ mozilla code, it's a little harder to get all of those nice little interface goodies in there (menus and buttons took a while, as did quartz rendering) i think that spell checking is presenting more of a problem than a fully cocoa app, but i could be wrong, i'm no programmer. i've never had a pop-up in chimera, but if you could give some links i'll check them out. you're right about the bookmarks, and its slower than OW when i'm draging them around in the sidebar (not that my machine is any real beast) and window resizing is slow and inconsistent.

for those of you who are interested, the chimera board has lots of information about the nightly builds and all other aspects of the interface.
http://chimera.eternaltedium.com/

mc68k
Sep 5, 2002, 06:52 PM
I update my nightly every 2-3 days. I really like the speed of Chimera to the point where it is my default browser. On a 9600, speed is everything. :)

AmbitiousLemon
Sep 5, 2002, 09:54 PM
Originally posted by FattyMembrane


i'm using .4 and there's a contextual menu to open links in a new tab. are you talking about pages themselves? i've heard that because the cocoazilla object is based on the c++ mozilla code, it's a little harder to get all of those nice little interface goodies in there (menus and buttons took a while, as did quartz rendering) i think that spell checking is presenting more of a problem than a fully cocoa app, but i could be wrong, i'm no programmer. i've never had a pop-up in chimera, but if you could give some links i'll check them out. you're right about the bookmarks, and its slower than OW when i'm draging them around in the sidebar (not that my machine is any real beast) and window resizing is slow and inconsistent.

ah look at that the open in new tab is in there. guess i hadnt updated my nightly in awhile. but... contextual windows are still problematic since they violate apple HIG by not opening on click-hold (i like browsing without a keyboard).

popups - chimera will ask you the first time you run into a page with popups if you want to block them, whatever you choose will be permanent. you will never ahve another chance to change this sicne there are no preferences for it. there are also no prefs for any other annoying lil window issues like resizing and moving.

ive always wanted a way to rearrange my tabs by command clicking and dragging -- but that seems unlikley

FattyMembrane
Sep 6, 2002, 12:25 AM
Lemon hit the nail on the head, the contextual menus get to be a hastle with the one button mouse when they dont pop up automatically (this is my only major qualm with chimera). as for tabs, i'm hoping that they will soon put a close tab button (why not just the red bubble from the window itself?) where mozilla has one, but i read on the chimera boards that a several people dont want they close tab button because mozilla's is so ugly (its not like chimera would keep the exact same ugly button). i'm hoping that they change their mind about this one, having to hit a key combo every time is a bit cumbersome.

Rower_CPU
Sep 6, 2002, 10:19 AM
Keyboard shortcuts for me are more useful than mouse clicks, since I'm on a laptop and "trackpadding" around the screen is slower/more difficult than pressing a couple of keys.

Even when I'm on a desktop system, I prefer keyboard shortcuts over mouse clicks. It's just the way I work...

A close tab button definitely makes sense, but keep the keyboard shortcut.

I'm still not happy with the pop-up killing abilities...no preference option, and it failed to prompt me at a site that spawned several...

MacBandit
Sep 6, 2002, 10:24 AM
Unfortunately there is no other browser in my future besides I.E.. Unless Apple comes out with something great or the other browsers catch up with the times. This is because none of them fully support java. I have tried the other browsers and I was always running into pages that didn't display right or just downright crashed the browse. So for now back to my dungeon.

sparkleytone
Sep 6, 2002, 11:27 AM
i have been using chimera as my default for a couple of months now. i update my nightly every day. i have never had a nightmare with any of them. if it seems to be running badly, i just go back to the day before and wait another day or so.

more and more chimera is getting the features and stability everyone is demanding.

it stays as the primary browser in Jaguar
i have had zero CSS support problems
the plugins are much less buggy
the textfield problems are gone
i can just click download links now instead of having to option-click
you can drag links onto the toolbar, urlbar, a tab, etc
file dragging onto the window works
dragging out of the window into the finder works
etc.

and yes, your number of tabs is limited, but how much frickin pr0n are you surfing to get more than 16 windows open!?!?!? thats just ridiculous.

AmbitiousLemon
Sep 6, 2002, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by sparkleytone
and yes, your number of tabs is limited, but how much frickin pr0n are you surfing to get more than 16 windows open!?!?!? thats just ridiculous.

i completely agree. chimera is my defualt browser as well and slowly but surely all the missing features are making their way in. but the tab limit is troublesome. right now i dont use chimera for research because of the inadequate proxy support but in mozilla when i am doing research i will often have several dozen tabs open. just moving from one article to another through the works cited can quickly escalate into many different paths many tabs deep. moz handles it (though slowly) and for me to move completely to chimera i will need mroe tabs and some real proxy support. im sure they will fix these things eventually. they dont seem to be focusing on preferences but once they create complete preferences i think many problems will drop out.

chmorley
Sep 6, 2002, 10:53 PM
Exactly, AL. With Chimera becoming increasingly solid (I haven't had it crash on me in two days--something I could never have said about IE), preferences, plugin support, and other features are the only things that designate it a beta release. While I think some piece of this is the result of OS X being a new OS (e.g., no browser I know of supports RealPlayer fully, as Real has only recently gotten on-board), some of this is just Chimera maturing.

While the maturing it has done in the past few weeks seems something less than the progress it was making months ago, that is clearly because there was more to fix back then. It is certainly getting closer and closer to a "finished product." I can't wait to see what the next month brings.

Chris

MacBandit
Sep 6, 2002, 11:09 PM
I haven't had IE crash on me in weeks and I spend several hours a day on the net. I don't like Microsoft but I am confident in my decision to use it because it is still the most standard compatible web browser option currently on a mac.

mmmdreg
Sep 7, 2002, 12:57 AM
Chimeras great...IE has problems which really annoy me sometimes and therefore I don't use it unless I have to which is almost never...

chmorley
Sep 7, 2002, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by MacBandit
I haven't had IE crash on me in weeks and I spend several hours a day on the net. I don't like Microsoft but I am confident in my decision to use it because it is still the most standard compatible web browser option currently on a mac. Seems to be a pretty consistent discrepancy here--probably machine-dependant. My wife has an old iBook SE. Mozilla crashes on her about twice a day, and Chimera is very unstable. I don't think IE has crashed on her in the two weeks she's been using Jaguar (though she doesn't use it all that much, preferring Mozilla). On by TiBook 667, Mozilla has crashed maybe twice in the last two months I used it as my primary browser (before I switched to Chimera), and I can't keep IE up for more than 2 hours without a crash.

I hate M$, but am selfish enough to use the software that works best for me. If IE were as fast, stable, and compliant as Mozilla, I would use it.

A lot of variability on this issue...

Anyway, Chimera's progress is just staggering and incredibly promising. Maybe all you IE folks will switch before the end of the year.

Chris

AmbitiousLemon
Sep 7, 2002, 04:15 PM
the crashing issue i find puzzling. i have two macs of my own and maintain several dozen more and no computer i use has any app crash on any regular basis. there are some apps that infrequently crash (less than once a month) and they tend to be browsers (of any breed) or betaware.

i agree that ie crashes more than any other app but it still crashes very infrequently.

in my opinion any crash/freeze is a very serious issue and if it happens to you on a regualr basis you need to do some disk maint (http://www.ambitiouslemon.com/hints.php?id=28) in my opinion as soon as disk warrior comes out with a version 3 that is fully osx we will all be much happier.

chmorley
Sep 8, 2002, 05:16 PM
Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon
the crashing issue i find puzzling. i have two macs of my own and maintain several dozen more and no computer i use has any app crash on any regular basis. there are some apps that infrequently crash (less than once a month) and they tend to be browsers (of any breed) or betaware.

i agree that ie crashes more than any other app but it still crashes very infrequently.

in my opinion any crash/freeze is a very serious issue and if it happens to you on a regualr basis you need to do some disk maint (http://www.ambitiouslemon.com/hints.php?id=28) in my opinion as soon as disk warrior comes out with a version 3 that is fully osx we will all be much happier. I run fsck and on my HD weekly (and Drive 10 occasionally). I optimize my hard drive monthly. My computer is in impeccable shape. IE is the only non-beta software I have that crashes regularly.

Chris

scem0
Sep 8, 2002, 06:16 PM
Chimera is my default, although I have IE, Omni, and Mozilla on my computer. I only use Chimera though. I just got the latest nightly and I cant tell a diference from .4, but I dont care, it is fast just the same. :D OmniWeb is pretty good. IE is OK. Moz is really cool if you like a lot of features, etc. Im ready for Chimera 1.0.

I think that apple hiring the Chimera dude majorly reinforces that apple will make a browser. And even if they dont within the next 6 months we know they are interested in one because why else would they hire whatever his name is. :D

Rower_CPU
Sep 8, 2002, 06:26 PM
Until OW gets its CSS implementation together, I don't consider it an option...

Mozilla and Chimera have the best CSS support I've seen, with IE a close second.

AmbitiousLemon
Sep 8, 2002, 09:03 PM
Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Until OW gets its CSS implementation together, I don't consider it an option...

Mozilla and Chimera have the best CSS support I've seen, with IE a close second.

i think when ow gets v5 out the door we all might be amazed... at least thats what i am hoping. the omnigroup has done a good job listening to what people want. first people said it was slow - they sped it up (its faster than ie now) next people said the rendering sucked -- now they are redesigning the rendering engine. im heopful but it will be a long wait.

Rower_CPU
Sep 8, 2002, 09:40 PM
Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon
i think when ow gets v5 out the door we all might be amazed... at least thats what i am hoping. the omnigroup has done a good job listening to what people want. first people said it was slow - they sped it up (its faster than ie now) next people said the rendering sucked -- now they are redesigning the rendering engine. im heopful but it will be a long wait.

That would be fantastic.

I'm pretty upset with CSS implementation as it stands now in all the browsers. As a developer, I shouldn't have to worry about W3C standards being implemented properly, and yet, you still have to check multiple browsers to make sure. It's such a tremendous waste of time/development to work around the inconsistencies.

What's going to happen when CSS3 is ratified? How long will it take for the browsers to support that?

sparkleytone
Sep 9, 2002, 09:57 AM
Originally posted by scem0

I think that apple hiring the Chimera dude majorly reinforces that apple will make a browser. And even if they dont within the next 6 months we know they are interested in one because why else would they hire whatever his name is. :D

i really think that this is a ridiculous speculation that has been brought forth by alot of people. the man is a good coder. he never used his mac at netscape...like ever. then he decided he wanted to make a cocoa front end for mozilla. he really didnt know much about cocoa either. yet he was able to create a design concept that everyone has grown to love, and basically did all the early coding himself. that is just about the best resume you can have to work at apple.

he doesnt pretend to be a mac zealot, and he he has mixed views on the objective-c implementation that is cocoa. but he still went ahead and created this browser.

creating the main browser of a project like mozilla (which he did) involves alot of groundwork and understanding when it comes to networking protocols, extendable codebase, etc.

i say just because they hired him does not mean apple is interested in making a browser. hyatt has shown himself to be a very good coder, UI designer, and fast learner who is willing to take on new challenges and go against the grain of what he already knows and is accustomed to. this can be useful in ANY project.

sparkleytone
Sep 9, 2002, 11:08 AM
yet another longass post to keep you informed. the latest nightly has a couple extra files, one with changes from .4 -> .5

here is the content.

New and improved features in Chimera 0.5

The following bug fixes and improvements have been made since Chimera 0.4:

• A downloading dialog is shown now, for file downloads, and when saving pages. A number of bugs were fixed, related to the download file disappearing, and downloading BinHex files.
• Importing of bookmarks files containing illegal characters was made more reliable, and can no longer leave you with a corrupted bookmarks file.
• Fixed display of non-Roman characters in bookmarks text in the UI.
• Changed forward/back and next/previous tab keyboard shortcuts, to avoid conflicting with the use of Command-arrow key combinations for text navigation.
• The search page (loaded in response to Go->Search Page) uses the Internet Config setting now. Unfortunately, Apple removed UI for that setting from the Internet system preferences pane in Mac OS 10.2 (Jaguar). See the “Known issues” section below for a workaround.
• Improved dragging of links from browser window; page links can now be dragged onto other tabs, into the bookmarks sidebar, and onto the bookmarks toolbar.
• Improved drag and drop of bookmarks, and items on the bookmarks toolbar, which can now be reordered, dragged to the trash to delete them, and cloned with option-drag.
• Fixed some issues that caused a multi-line bookmarks toolbar to display incorrectly.
• Performance is much better with large numbers of tabs open. The tabs are now all equal width, and can show the site icon (which is draggable).
• You can now drag bookmarks and links to tabs, and drag from tabs to other tabs or bookmark locations (click on the tab icon to drag). Dragging into the background area behind the tabs will create a new tab.
• New tabs now always appear on the right-hand side of the tabbed browser view, because having tabs appear next to the current view confused some users.
• Added site icons (favicons) for the url bar, and tabs. You can also make them visible for bookmarks by setting the pref browser.chrome.favicons to true in prefs.js, but this can cause some page-loading delays at startup.
• The Build ID, which identifies the day the build was made, is shown on the splash screen, and in the About window now.
• Added some updated icons for various toolbar buttons.
• Added the Universal Character set detector, which improves the display of pages in non-Roman character encodings.
• Updated Chimera to use a more recent version of the Mozilla 1.0 code, which brings with it changes in many parts of the code, many of which are security related.
• On quitting, the prefs.js file is backed up now to prefs.bak.
• Several fixes make the Java plugin more stable now, particularly on Mac OS 10.2.
• Some other plugin drawing and stability fixes were done.
• Changed the package layout of the Navigator package to allow for localizations.
• Fixed some issues with linebreaks, and Unicode data, when copying and pasting between Chimera and other applications.
• Holding down the shift key while clicking the reload button always fetches the page from the server now.
• XHTML files are loaded correctly now.
• Typing in Japanese and other multi-byte languages mostly works now.

Known issues

• Cosmetic issues occur with many plugins, especially if you switch tabs on pages with plugins. Some stability issues affect plugins; visiting pages with some plugins can crash.
• Sometimes, on Mac OS 10.2 (Jaguar), Navigator won’t stick as your default browser. If you have this problem, try removing the following files:
~/Library/Caches/com.apple.LaunchServices.UserCache.csstore (where ~ is your Home directory)
/Library/Caches/com.apple.LaunchServices.LocalCache.csstore
and reboot your machine.
• Typing in Japanese, and other multi-byte languages, is not fully implemented yet.
• You may see some redraw issues when pasting into textareas, and doing Find Again. Resizing the window will correct these.
• Sometimes, a background window will pop to the front when its page finishes loading.
• For reasons not yet understood, Chimera will sometimes use a lot of CPU time for a few minutes, then gradually reduce to its usual low CPU usage. This seems to happen mostly after waking from sleep.
• The Fonts tab of the Appearance prefs pane is work in progress. In particular, the font sizes can interfere with eachother, and sometimes the fonts default back to Lucida Grande.
• Services support isn’t fully implemented in the web content yet.
• There is no way to export bookmarks to HTML at present.
• Dragging an image to the Finder doesn’t do the right thing.
• In Mac OS 10.2 (Jaguar), form buttons sometimes draw incorrectly (with a horizontal stripe).
• Trying to import a large bookmarks file sometimes fails to import all of the bookmarks. Breaking the file into a number of smaller files should help.
• After doing a “View Source” on a page, you can’t save the page source. As a workaround, Select All and Copy.
• There is no History visible in the UI by default. You can make the History tab in the sidebar visible by adding this line to your prefs.js file in the Chimera profile folder:
user_pref("chimera.show_history", true);
• The Go->Search Page command always loads an excite.com url in Mac OS 10.2 (Jaguar), and there is no system UI to change it. As a workaround, you can edit a string in the Navigator package to set your preferred search page. Context-click on the Navigator icon, and choose “Show Package Contents”. In the resulting Finder window, go down into Contents/Resources, and open the WebsiteDefaults.strings file in your favorite text editor. On the line containing SearchPageDefault, remove the /* at the start, change www.dmoz.org to your preferred search site, and delete everything after the semicolon. Then save the file.
• After blocking popups for the first time, there is no way to have popups show up again. If you need popups to work (say, to access a site that requires them, edit your prefs.js file, changing the line that contains dom.disable_open_during_load to:
user_pref("dom.disable_open_during_load", false);

AmbitiousLemon
Sep 9, 2002, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by sparkleytone
i really think that this is a ridiculous speculation that has been brought forth by alot of people. the man is a good coder.

o you just had to go and be the voice of reason now didnt you? here i was fanning the flames bringing up every random unsubstanciated rumor and you go and set the record straight.

all kidding aside whouldnt we be seeing mozilla 1.2 soon? roadmaps says sept 4th i believe. chimera already went back to the moz code once i wonder if they will do it again (despite their claim to wait until they reach 1.0)

chmorley
Sep 9, 2002, 09:01 PM
Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon
all kidding aside whouldnt we be seeing mozilla 1.2 soon? roadmaps says sept 4th i believe. chimera already went back to the moz code once i wonder if they will do it again (despite their claim to wait until they reach 1.0) Sure would expect to see Mozilla 1.2 soon. I would also imagine that the Chimera team will stay smart--if 1.2 shows the speed and stability improvements 1.0-1.1 did, they would be wise to returm to the tree yet again.

So the "official" Chimera 0.5 is out, obviously. The Chimera team seems to have some consistent habits...

Chris

AmbitiousLemon
Sep 9, 2002, 09:37 PM
Originally posted by chmorley
So the "official" Chimera 0.5 is out, obviously. The Chimera team seems to have some consistent habits...

yes. .5 DONT UPGRADE!!! o and btw can someone share a copy of chimera .4 ?

chmorley
Sep 9, 2002, 11:38 PM
Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon
yes. .5 DONT UPGRADE!!! o and btw can someone share a copy of chimera .4 ? Runs fine on my machine. Maybe you need to do some maintenance. ;)

Seriously, though, what's the issue?

Chris

AmbitiousLemon
Sep 9, 2002, 11:41 PM
well in the later nightlys apparently there was a bug introduced that caused the system preference to not allow navigator to 'stick.' as soon as you closed the system prefs it would change to ie. i apparently never downloaed one of these as i never had the problem. well the developers were trying to fix this problem in the final .5 release. they fixed it but only sort of. you have to have chimera in the applications folder otherwise you get the same bug. most people will probably never notice this, but i keep my apps on a separate partition. it works fine if i put it in the applications folder but i dont like that it is there.

on a positive note, it seems even faster.

chmorley
Sep 9, 2002, 11:51 PM
Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon
well in the later nightlys apparently there was a bug introduced that caused the system preference to not allow navigator to 'stick.' as soon as you closed the system prefs it would change to ie. i apparently never downloaed one of these as i never had the problem. well the developers were trying to fix this problem in the final .5 release. they fixed it but only sort of. you have to have chimera in the applications folder otherwise you get the same bug. most people will probably never notice this, but i keep my apps on a separate partition. it works fine if i put it in the applications folder but i dont like that it is there.

on a positive note, it seems even faster. I don't have mine in my Apps folder, and it works fine. Mine is in Apps>Internet. Perhaps it works because it's a subfolder, but your options are not as limited as all that.

Chris

AmbitiousLemon
Sep 9, 2002, 11:56 PM
Originally posted by chmorley
I don't have mine in my Apps folder, and it works fine. Mine is in Apps>Internet. Perhaps it works because it's a subfolder, but your options are not as limited as all that.

Chris

try taking it out of the apps folder.

sphereboy
Sep 19, 2002, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon
... chimera is my defualt browser...

How do you make Chimera your default browser? I would love to remove IE as my default.

Thanks

chmorley
Sep 19, 2002, 03:14 PM
Originally posted by sphereboy
How do you make Chimera your default browser? I would love to remove IE as my default.

Thanks Go to your Internet preference pane. Go to the "Web" tab. In 10.2, Chimera will come up as an option (called "Navigator"). In previous versions of OS X you will have to enter it manually (although there is a freeware widget that will fix this).

Chris

P-Worm
Sep 19, 2002, 04:47 PM
I'm just curious, does anone have problems with movies opening in the wrong spot of a web page. It seems that I get this problem every time I use Chimera. Don't get me wrong, I think that Chimera is the best browser ever even though it is only officially at version 0.4.

So what is it? Anyone else experiencing the same thing?

chmorley
Sep 19, 2002, 08:52 PM
Yes, there are a few problems with plugins, including the Quicktime plugin.

Also, the official version is 0.5. Here (http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/chimera/releases/chimera-0.5.dmg.gz) is the latest official release. I actually think some important strides have been made since its release (on 9/9). You might try the latest nightly (ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/chimera/nightly/latest-trunk/).

Chris

brogers
Sep 21, 2002, 11:52 PM
Just a simple question that may have been discussed already. I use Chimera as my default browser. I love it, but I have to use IE if I want to check my bank statements, 401K stuff...etc. OW nor Chimera will let me in those sites.....why?

Taft
Sep 22, 2002, 12:51 PM
Originally posted by brogers
Just a simple question that may have been discussed already. I use Chimera as my default browser. I love it, but I have to use IE if I want to check my bank statements, 401K stuff...etc. OW nor Chimera will let me in those sites.....why?

It depends on the bank. I've had good luck with BankOne, but other people have big problems with other banks.

There are some sites that check to make sure the browser is IE and if it isn't, won't let the user continue to their site. Pretty annoying.

Taft

chmorley
Sep 22, 2002, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by brogers
Just a simple question that may have been discussed already. I use Chimera as my default browser. I love it, but I have to use IE if I want to check my bank statements, 401K stuff...etc. OW nor Chimera will let me in those sites.....why? Taft is dead on. However, you can tell OmniWeb to identify itself as a different browser. To do this, modify your "Compatibility" preference pane to IE. That should work.

And it is terribly annoying.

Chris

neonart
Sep 23, 2002, 12:54 AM
I was really getting tired of IE and how slow it was. I thought my DSL was slowing down or something.
Not the case. Chimera is freakin' fast! I love the tabs, and how minimalistic the toolbar can be! I hope this becomes the standard Browser for the Mac. Text smoothing is not enough to keep IE around. I've made Chimera my default browser. I'll use IE if there are problems on specific websites. For now Chimera is smoking!