Tiger Install at Apple Store

[gdprof27]

Hey gang,


Semi-newbie here going into my second week with my 15" PB.

I was wondering; if/when Tiger is released can I go to the local Apple Store, purchae it and have them install it for me?

Is that part of Standard Care or ProCare?

[liketom]

Hey gang,


Semi-newbie here going into my second week with my 15" PB.

I was wondering; if/when Tiger is released can I go to the local Apple Store, purchae it and have them install it for me?

Is that part of Standard Care or ProCare?
no

what if they had to do this for every one ?

[SilentPanda]

It's seriously not that hard to do. Trust yourself a bit...

[wnameth]

like you said, you are a bit of a noob, and only have had the honor to have a 15" pb for 2 weeks. I assume that you are a previous windows user, so if you ever installed an operating system on it, then you will be fine.
apple makes it very easy :)

[Applespider]

If you're really worried, take your Powerbook into the store when you go into to purchase Tiger and install it sitting in the theatre. You'll have something to watch while waiting for the progress bar to move and in the unlikely event of anything going wrong, you'll be very close to a Genius. ;)

[gdprof27]

Just making sure of two things:


1. I am a noob...in every sense of installing an OS on a PC. I've never done it before.

2. I can handle even the littlest moderations to my baby.


It's a common trait, I think, of switchers to not mess with anything until someone else tells 'em it's OK to do that. I am deserving of this baby and intend to make the most out of my purchase!

I'll be back here for answer after answer to what will probably be the most mundane and simplistic Mac questions imaginable. Please keep the giggling to a minimum....I myself had a good chuckle after I hit "submit reply" and looked at what I had just inquired.

Thanks gang for the help! Honestly!

[PlaceofDis]

it is really rather easy to upgrade your OS, i wouldnt worry about it too much

and this is what we are here for, to re-assure you that everything is okay, just remember that there is a search function ;) :D

[Timelessblur]

Just making sure of two things:


1. I am a noob...in every sense of installing an OS on a PC. I've never done it before.

2. I can handle even the littlest moderations to my baby.


It's a common trait, I think, of switchers to not mess with anything until someone else tells 'em it's OK to do that. I am deserving of this baby and intend to make the most out of my purchase!

I'll be back here for answer after answer to what will probably be the most mundane and simplistic Mac questions imaginable. Please keep the giggling to a minimum....I myself had a good chuckle after I hit "submit reply" and looked at what I had just inquired.

Thanks gang for the help! Honestly!

I dont think it a common trait among switchs. It a common trait among none techacal mind people. Windows or mac they dont mess with somethign unless they are told it is ok and safe to do and even then they are pretty leary about it. (which also explains the random tech support I have to do)

As for installing the OS it should be really straight forward. Put in the Tiger cd. I going to assume it will autoplay. click install and follow the very easy instertion. I also suggest you have a good book to read while it is doing it.

I never installed a mac OS but when I have install XP (I think I am up to 6 or 8 times now accross 5 or 6 computers) I am pretty lazy about it. I start the install go off and do something for a while come back tell and tell it to start the next step, go off do something checking in on it every 15 to 20 min to see if I need to start up the next step. That or I just read a book while it was doing it. So for me the install will take any where from 1 to 5 hours depending on how offen I check.

Either way it is pretty easy to do and I would not worry about it. Just make sure you have a good book to read while it is installing because it will take it while to do. I am going to guess bettween 45-90 min to do

[Spock]

If you're really worried, take your Powerbook into the store when you go into to purchase Tiger and install it sitting in the theatre. You'll have something to watch while waiting for the progress bar to move and in the unlikely event of anything going wrong, you'll be very close to a Genius. ;)

Just make sure You plug in the AC.

[jane doe]

They will install it for you, they may charge you for the time, but I'm sure someone can help you get it up and going. There is always phone support as well.

[gdprof27]

Thanks people!

You have put my fears behind me concerning Tiger. Next question:

I have searched the froums on advice on how to find the best deal on the Standard Version of Office 2004. I have come up with so many threads that it became difficult to sort through them all....anyone have some snap-advice on where to go or what to do?

[TDM21]

I say the cheapest way to get Office for Mac is to find someone that goes to college close to where you live (a friend maybe). Give them to money to buy the software for you using their student discount. I just checked the pricing of my school's computer school. I can buy the full version of Office for Mac for $129.95. Compare that to $250+ at a typical store, that is a good deal.

[Timelessblur]

I say the cheapest way to get Office for Mac is to find someone that goes to college close to where you live (a friend maybe). Give them to money to buy the software for you using their student discount. I just checked the pricing of my school's computer school. I can buy the full version of Office for Mac for $129.95. Compare that to $250+ at a typical store, that is a good deal.


that is massivly illage and is just the same as downloading it off the net. To do that you are soposed to be a student. Besides I get all MS products free though my school.

[mac-er]

I also suggest you have a good book to read while it is doing it.

I never installed a mac OS but when I have install XP (I think I am up to 6 or 8 times now accross 5 or 6 computers) I am pretty lazy about it. I start the install go off and do something for a while come back tell and tell it to start the next step, go off do something checking in on it every 15 to 20 min to see if I need to start up the next step. That or I just read a book while it was doing it. So for me the install will take any where from 1 to 5 hours depending on how offen I check.

Just make sure you have a good book to read while it is installing because it will take it while to do. I am going to guess bettween 45-90 min to do

I seem to remember that it only took me 15-20 minutes to upgrade from 10.2 to 10.3.

This isn't Windows. :)

[Timelessblur]

I seem to remember that it only took me 15-20 minutes to upgrade from 10.2 to 10.3.

This isn't Windows. :)


So you basicly paid for a service pack that now that just sucks and is a rip off because that was how long it took me to go from SP1 to SP2. I was talking about a complete OS replacement. Windows upgrade time I was using was going from pre windows XP or no OS that takes quite a bit of time. Replacing an OS takes a lot longer than a service pack upgrade that 10.2 to 10.3 was.

[twoodcc]

i thought going from 10.2 to 10.3 was like installing a new OS, right? just like we'll be going from 10.3 (panther) to 10.4 (tiger)

[wdlove]

i thought going from 10.2 to 10.3 was like installing a new OS, right? just like we'll be going from 10.3 (panther) to 10.4 (tiger)

Tiger won't be a new OS. It is still Mac OS X. What Apple will be selling is an upgrade to X. A new OS occurred when we went from Mac OS 9 to X.

[mac-er]

So you basicly paid for a service pack that now that just sucks and is a rip off because that was how long it took me to go from SP1 to SP2. I was talking about a complete OS replacement. Windows upgrade time I was using was going from pre windows XP or no OS that takes quite a bit of time. Replacing an OS takes a lot longer than a service pack upgrade that 10.2 to 10.3 was.

No, going from 10.2 to 10.3 was just like going from 10.3 to 10.4 (like the above poster said).

Mac OS install times are A LOT shorter than Windows.

I even did a clean install from my restore CDs, and it only took about 30 minutes (and that included installing the applications)

[risc]

That's like saying going from Mandrake Linux to Debian Linux isn't a new OS just because they are still GNU/Linux. Come on - the update from 10.3 to 10.4 is a new OS, everything is completely different from the ground up! 10.3 to 10.4 is definitely NOT a service pack upgrade, unless going from 2000 to XP is a service pack?

[Blackheart]

That's like saying going from Mandrake Linux to Debian Linux isn't a new OS just because they are still GNU/Linux. Come on - the update from 10.3 to 10.4 is a new OS, everything is completely different from the ground up! 10.3 to 10.4 is definitely NOT a service pack upgrade, unless going from 2000 to XP is a service pack?

10.3 to 10.4 isn't "completely different from the ground up". There a just a lot of new technologies that have been built on top of 10.3. To rewrite every OS upgrade would take an ungodly amount of time... and probably create A LOT of new bugs to deal with. I won't agree with you that this is a completely new OS, based on my previous note. I will, however, agree with you that this isn't a service pack upgrade. Windows SP's seem to have a very "security super duper mega to the max" feel, while Apple's 10.3 and 10.4 upgrades have been extremely featureful in comparison (I'm not arguing lack of security updates within the upgrades; that's a given). Apple's upgrades do change a fair amount of the technology in the OS but I don't think it warrants this "new OS" tag.

[Plymouthbreezer]

Tiger won't be a new OS. It is still Mac OS X. What Apple will be selling is an upgrade to X. A new OS occurred when we went from Mac OS 9 to X.Even when upgrading my G3 to OS X, it didn't take all that long... :)

[wrldwzrd89]

You might be surprised at just how quickly Mac OS X can install itself. I do my installations without all the cruft I'll never use (IE for Mac, for example) and without stuff that I have a newer version of (Stuffit Expander is the best example I can think of). If I skip the "checking installation disc" step, it installs in about 6 minutes. 2 minutes later, it finishes rebooting (it'll reboot itself after installing if you don't do anything) and starts the intro movie and setup screens.

[BornAgainMac]

I believe Tiger will come on a DVD installation disk but I am not 100% sure. If that is the case, the install will be quick and painless since you don't have to wait for your Mac to insert a disk every 10 minutes or so.

I am doing a clean install after my backup. I'll use the DVD that came with my Mac to install all the extra stuff after I install Tiger. Installing it at the store would be cool. If you had any problems, even normal Mac people could probably help. Get a couple of people with iBooks and Powerbooks and you can have a Tiger install party.

By the way, it probably makes sense to use A/C power to install Tiger and let it have time to build the index for Spotlight. I wonder how long the index will take with no files other than Tiger.

[tdhurst]

that is massivly illage and is just the same as downloading it off the net. To do that you are soposed to be a student. Besides I get all MS products free though my school.

Um....what? English class not a required course?
Yeah, hey, it's great you get free stuff, but how does that help him?
To be honest, the Office Student Teacher Edition does not require ID, even at a retail store, so why not try it? This is one of the few if not only academic packages that are priced for students but are offered outside of campuses.

I really doubt you will find the standard edition anywhere cheaply, unless you get a used version or find a good sale.

[jmsait19]

so while we are on the topic, what is the best way to install tiger? a clean install, an archive and install, or upgrade?

ive pretty much decided im not doing the upgrade, so that leaves a clean install or archive and install. what benefit does an archive and install have over a clean install?

i did a clean install a while ago. i backed most everything up, but lost my bookmarks in safari and maybe a couple other minor things, nothing major. the reason why is that i wanted to clean install but only had a limited amount of back up space so i picked stuff out of my home folder to back up and left some stuff out. if i had done the entire home folder would that have fixed the problem?

[wrldwzrd89]

so while we are on the topic, what is the best way to install tiger? a clean install, an archive and install, or upgrade?

ive pretty much decided im not doing the upgrade, so that leaves a clean install or archive and install. what benefit does an archive and install have over a clean install?

i did a clean install a while ago. i backed most everything up, but lost my bookmarks in safari and maybe a couple other minor things, nothing major. the reason why is that i wanted to clean install but only had a limited amount of back up space so i picked stuff out of my home folder to back up and left some stuff out. if i had done the entire home folder would that have fixed the problem?
If you had backed up the entire Home folder, you would have been able to retrieve things like your Safari bookmarks if you knew where they were located. Basically, yes, backing up the entire home folder would have solved your problem.

I recommend an erase and install because doing one forces you to back up and cleans out the cruft that may have built up. Most of us have applications we don't use anymore, and we often don't know where all of the files the application installed are located. It's also a good way to clean out any hacks you may have installed, since these will probably break with the release of Tiger and could cause problems with installation.

[Timelessblur]

Um....what? English class not a required course?
Yeah, hey, it's great you get free stuff, but how does that help him?
To be honest, the Office Student Teacher Edition does not require ID, even at a retail store, so why not try it? This is one of the few if not only academic packages that are priced for students but are offered outside of campuses.

I really doubt you will find the standard edition anywhere cheaply, unless you get a used version or find a good sale.

because it is not legal. You are not soposed to have student teacher edation UNLESS YOU ARE A STUDENT OR A TEACHER. Also if any work done on a Edu copy of software may not be sold for money.

It the same as just downloading it off the net. Same legal technalility and it not a legit peice of software unless you are a student or a teacher. it is that simple.

[i_am_a_cow]

I'm pretty sure it's going to be a new version of Darwin (if I had to guess, but maybe I'm mistaken). Even more, it's going to have a metadata filesystem. That is a big leap. If you can count Windows XP a new OS (from 2000 or whatever), you can definitely call OS 10.4 a new OS.

[jmsait19]

If you had backed up the entire Home folder, you would have been able to retrieve things like your Safari bookmarks if you knew where they were located. Basically, yes, backing up the entire home folder would have solved your problem.

I recommend an erase and install because doing one forces you to back up and cleans out the cruft that may have built up. Most of us have applications we don't use anymore, and we often don't know where all of the files the application installed are located. It's also a good way to clean out any hacks you may have installed, since these will probably break with the release of Tiger and could cause problems with installation.

thats what i thought. so a clean install it is. i was leaning that way because i like the thought of cleaning out all the stupid crap ive probably done

[FFTT]

It's really important to make sure that your power save features are set to NEVER SLEEP when you're installing any software,
especially your primary OS software and OS software updates.

I MUCH prefer a full clean install after backup burning everything I care about to CD.

[7on]

I'm going to do an Upgrade because I have no hacks and Palm Desktop is a bitch to install.

[Nermal]

If you can count Windows XP a new OS (from 2000 or whatever), you can definitely call OS 10.4 a new OS.

Windows 5.0 (2000) to XP (5.1) was a .1 upgrade, just like 10.3 to 10.4 :)

I'm going to do an Upgrade because I have no hacks and Palm Desktop is a bitch to install.

Conversely, I'm going to format, because the computer's 2 years old and I've never done it before. Want to try new things, etc etc :rolleyes:

Edit: Actually, I must have done it before, because I changed my hard drive from the supplied 80 GB to a 160.

[Kelmon]

I'm planning to scrub the disk before installing Tiger since I want to ensure that I'm starting with a blank slate, but mostly because this is habit from years of Windows and the biannual reinstall of the OS. The only thing that I am worrying about it ensuring that I backup all my documents, settings, keychains, etc. The .mac Backup application seems pretty good but I'm paranoid about losing something important...

[Timelessblur]

That's like saying going from Mandrake Linux to Debian Linux isn't a new OS just because they are still GNU/Linux. Come on - the update from 10.3 to 10.4 is a new OS, everything is completely different from the ground up! 10.3 to 10.4 is definitely NOT a service pack upgrade, unless going from 2000 to XP is a service pack?


it more or less going form 2000 to XP is a upgraud but a lot of it is a slightly paid for service pack but you also have to remeber most upgrades to XP where from the window 9.x line to NT line so it is a complete OS replacement. windows 2000 was pretty much only really in the bunissess world and never really got that big in the privet market.

[ColoJohnBoy]

Hey gang,


Semi-newbie here going into my second week with my 15" PB.

I was wondering; if/when Tiger is released can I go to the local Apple Store, purchae it and have them install it for me?

Is that part of Standard Care or ProCare?

Getting back to the original question... assuming Tiger is released before your warranty, whether original or AppleCare, has expired, a Mac Genius will certainly install it for you. At least, when I worked for Apple during 2002-2003 that's how it was.

Like everyone has said, though, there's nothing wrong with doing it yourself. The only real benefit of having Apple do it is their ability to do a clean install of it - they backup all your data on an external drive. If you have one yourself, then you would do well to avoid the lines certain to come as a result of people upgrading to Tiger and do it yourself.

[earthtoandy]

yes and no. Yo can back to the bar and hang out and install it for yourself but they will be ther eto helpalong the way and answer any questions

[otateossian]

Here's a funny question?? Does anyone know if you can install OSX on a PC?? I was looking at the specs on the apple site of a G5 and it seems the same as anyother computer. does that mean that OS 10.3 would work on a PC??

Thanks for the advice

[wordmunger]

Here's a funny question?? Does anyone know if you can install OSX on a PC?? I was looking at the specs on the apple site of a G5 and it seems the same as anyother computer. does that mean that OS 10.3 would work on a PC??

Thanks for the advice

No, it doesn't.

[wrldwzrd89]

Here's a funny question?? Does anyone know if you can install OSX on a PC?? I was looking at the specs on the apple site of a G5 and it seems the same as anyother computer. does that mean that OS 10.3 would work on a PC??

Thanks for the advice
You're forgetting about the all-important PowerPC processor. Windows PCs use x86 processors, which aren't compatible with PPC (nor is PPC compatible with x86). Basically, Mac OS X (which is written for PPC) won't run on x86, or anything else that isn't PPC, for that matter.

[ollie]

it more or less going form 2000 to XP is a upgraud but a lot of it is a slightly paid for service pack but you also have to remeber most upgrades to XP where from the window 9.x line to NT line so it is a complete OS replacement. windows 2000 was pretty much only really in the bunissess world and never really got that big in the privet market.

OS X has a spell checker. Use it.

Seriously.

And think about your sentences before you write them.
:rolleyes:

[Mord]

i have always upgraded btw and have only ever done a clean install when changeing HD's. os x is too reliable for it to be an issue for me.

i too like timeless blur get free MS software from school, if your not a student dont buy student software simple as, if your willing to do that you may as well download the software ;), personally i don't see a problem with downloading the software but buying something under false pretenses i do have a problem with.

people sympathize with timeless, he's in windows, no system wide spellcheck :P.

[wrldwzrd89]

i have always upgraded btw and have only ever done a clean install when changeing HD's. os x is too reliable for it to be an issue for me.

i too like timeless blur get free MS software from school, if your not a student dont buy student software simple as, if your willing to do that you may as well download the software ;), personally i don't see a problem with downloading the software but buying something under false pretenses i do have a problem with.

people sympathize with timeless, he's in windows, no system wide spellcheck :P.
Timelessblur is also a Firefox user. Firefox doesn't take advantage of the system-wide Mac OS X spell check feature.

I'm a clean install maniac. I clean install Mac OS X just because I feel like doing it.

[Mord]

yeah, system wide spell check is a major plus for me why it is not in firefox i have no clue.

[plinden]

So you basicly paid for a service pack that now that just sucks and is a rip off because that was how long it took me to go from SP1 to SP2. I was talking about a complete OS replacement. Windows upgrade time I was using was going from pre windows XP or no OS that takes quite a bit of time. Replacing an OS takes a lot longer than a service pack upgrade that 10.2 to 10.3 was.

Even if it all goes ok, SP2 still takes longer than 15 minutes. After two days and five attempts trying to install it on my Dell, I had to reinstall XP from scratch, and have given up on SP2 (I know, a definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting the result to be different - I should have known it wouldn't work after the first attempt). I am not even going to attempt it on my laptop, considering I need it for work.

[decksnap]

...bunissess world...

That rules. :)

[Timelessblur]

Even if it all goes ok, SP2 still takes longer than 15 minutes. After two days and five attempts trying to install it on my Dell, I had to reinstall XP from scratch, and have given up on SP2 (I know, a definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting the result to be different - I should have known it wouldn't work after the first attempt). I am not even going to attempt it on my laptop, considering I need it for work.

I did not really have any problem with SP2 across 4 or 5 computers I did personalily nor did my friend have any trouble on his computers.

The weakest of the computer being a 600mhz P3, Of the ones I did was my parents 1ghz AMD systyem that is currenltly 5 years old nor on my desktop or laptop. The time was bettween 10-30 mins for each one.

on the other note of free software from the school. I noticed that M$ makes a point of trying to do that and goes though contracts with schools to offer most of their software free to download, or dirt cheap to buy on disk. Apple on the other has made no attempt to do the same thing though schools and it is something apple needs to do