Quicktime 7 Sample movies? [Archive]

The Black Rock

Apr 12, 2005, 12:30 PM

So you're saying that you have a Tiger SDK but no Quicktime 7? I didn't even know that they did that. But I've seen some H.264 stuff around with another player, some free player. Check Appleinsider or Applenova, they've got some comparisons up already, with screenshots.

I'm just waiting to download Quicktime 7 on my PC in a few weeks.

rendezvouscp

Apr 12, 2005, 02:56 PM

If you have Tiger, then take a DV file (or any other high quality file) and go ahead and convert it in QT 7. You'll be amazed. :D
-Chase

millypede

Apr 12, 2005, 06:16 PM

No I have QT7 with Tiger but I cant seem to find any HD264 movie files any were , you know like the QT Movies Steve jobs uses during the Keynote speech.

liketom

Apr 12, 2005, 06:20 PM

No I have QT7 with Tiger but I cant seem to find any HD264 movie files any were , you know like the QT Movies Steve jobs uses during the Keynote speech.

mmm if you impoort a Dv footage into quicktime 7 and then export out using the new codecs you will notice the size and quality

edit : also if you do find any movie trailers like house of daggers in quicktime 7 demo let me know ! :D

pdpfilms

Apr 12, 2005, 06:38 PM

Ok has any one got or seen any sample movies that HD264 can take advantage of? as im pretty stuck with the standard version but i would like to see what HD264 looks like, and yes I have Tiger, so dont tell me I need QT7 :P

I cant seem to find any HD264 movie files any were

You're an ADC and don't know that the new codec is H.264, not HD264? I smell limewire...

adam1185

Apr 13, 2005, 12:58 AM

You're an ADC and don't know that the new codec is H.264, not HD264? I smell limewire...

all the kids are using bit torrent these days, limewire is old school :cool:

jap4n

Apr 13, 2005, 03:01 AM

you can make h.264 videos in Handbrake 7 (beta2) aswell. And play them back in VLC. (these aren't the final codecs or Apple-made codecs.. just examples of.. looks cool)

hehe.. "HD264"

indeed the smell is p2p-ish... :p tut-tut-tut

not many days to go now… :)

Platform

Apr 25, 2005, 08:13 AM

Yes if anyone can find I would like the movie trailer that Steve showed us at MWSF ;)

cc bcc

Apr 25, 2005, 08:31 AM

Quicktime 7 Pro key is not for sale yet, so you can't export movies.

HGW

Apr 25, 2005, 01:26 PM

what if you use iMovie 5 to export H.264, if this is possible without QT7pro then please reply.

Luciano

Apr 25, 2005, 03:06 PM

To properly evaluate H264 quality you must start out with uncompressed footage, not simply renencoding something that is in another codec. Most don't have access to professionally shot uncompressed high quality standard definition footage not to mention HD.

I own a production company that has a good bit of uncompressed HD footage, very pristeen. I can encode some of it on H264 and post it on my web server if anyone is interested????? I have a compression program that suports H264. I don't have Tiger yet and therefore can't play it back. I was just at NAB and did find out the data rates and other info on how to properly encode it. I also looked at a good bit of HD H264 footage and can tell you it is the bestlooking HD I've seen other than uncompressed. It looks much better than the MPEG 2 HD coming from satallite, cable, or teresteral digital broadcasts.

cynikal

Apr 25, 2005, 04:39 PM

...I own a production company that has a good bit of uncompressed HD footage, very pristeen. I can encode some of it on H264 and post it on my web server if anyone is interested?????
I think the more pressing question is, who wouldn't be interested? post away!

mingisback

Apr 25, 2005, 05:32 PM

yes.. please post some h.264 video clips.

i'd just love to see how they look in QT7.

mcarnes

Apr 25, 2005, 06:29 PM

mingisback

Apr 25, 2005, 06:35 PM

As a previous guy said, just download Handbrake (http://handbrake.m0k.org/download.php) and make some h.264 clips yourself.

Any movie DVD you have lying around will work. I'd suggest only ripping a small chapter from the disc and not the whole disc or that will take all day.

The very first download link on that page is the version you want.

we aren't looking for h.264 video converted from MPEG-2.

we are looking for uncompressed video converted into h.264

handbrake's h.264 won't look any better than the original footage used.... get it?

oskar

Apr 25, 2005, 07:54 PM

The only way to make a true comparison would be to have the original uncompressed footage, the H.264 compressed footage, and maybe another footage file compressed in the "competing" quality. And beeing that uncompressed HD data rates go over 120MB/s, you can only make a comparison with the H.264 footage and the competing format unless the file is posted and your willing to take your time to download it. :confused:

theFATangel

Apr 25, 2005, 07:59 PM

Bad news for everyone looking for UNCOMPRESSED video to convert from. RGB or Uncompressed YUV cannot be handled by most systems available to the casual consumer (like you and I).

MPEG-2 is a lossy compression, just as MiniDV and DVCAM are. MiniDV and DVCAM use DV25 - A LOSSY COMPRESSION. MPEG-2 is compressed far more and can look exceptionally shabby.

I think what most people here are getting at is to compress to H.264 from the highest quality video available (for most of us this means MiniDV or DVCAM).

Convering from DVD-Video (MPEG-2) to H.264 is kind of like transcoding from WMA to MP3 ie. one inferior lossy compression to another. Garbage in means garbage out.

Just thought I would clear up some incorrect terminology that I see flying around on this post. I welcome any corrections or comments, thanks all,

theFATangel

stoid

Apr 25, 2005, 08:00 PM

we aren't looking for h.264 video converted from MPEG-2.

we are looking for uncompressed video converted into h.264

handbrake's h.264 won't look any better than the original footage used.... get it?

The point is not to see how pristine H.264 can be, but rather how good it looks at lower bitrate. What's amazing about H.264 is that you can get DVD quality footage at a far lower bitrate, perhaps even low enough to get a fine looking full length DVD size/quality movie onto a CD.

oskar

Apr 25, 2005, 08:10 PM

You're an ADC and don't know that the new codec is H.264, not HD264? I smell limewire...

In millypede's original post he did say H.264 and then said HD264. First he was referring to the new H.264 codec which can compress movies in any size. With HD264 he was reffering to compressing High Definition footage with the H.264 codec.
Just wanted to clarify this as I've seen way too many people who think that everybody who already have Tiger, only have it because they downloaded it via P2P or bittorrent or whatever.

ravenvii

Apr 25, 2005, 08:13 PM

The point is not to see how pristine H.264 can be, but rather how good it looks at lower bitrate. What's amazing about H.264 is that you can get DVD quality footage at a far lower bitrate, perhaps even low enough to get a fine looking full length DVD size/quality movie onto a CD.

Hmm, funny, that woule make those technologies like Blu-Ray and HD-DVD a bit redundant, since h.264 will make today's DVD seem like a HD-DVD. :)

arn

Apr 25, 2005, 08:19 PM

An HD source, don't know all the details on encryption - must have been a DV stream

http://www.macrumors.com/downloads/tv.tar.gz

[edit: strange, had to tar/gzip it for it to work]

get it while u can

arn

ravenvii

Apr 25, 2005, 08:25 PM

An HD source, don't know all the details on encryption.

get it while u can

arn

Says the file doesn't exist? :confused: (I right-clicked/Download File because I don't have Tiger yet, and want to save it until I do.

cynikal

Apr 25, 2005, 08:46 PM

downloaded it..

$ wget http://www.macrumors.com/downloads/tv2.mov
--21:39:59-- http://www.macrumors.com/downloads/tv2.mov
=> `tv2.mov'
Resolving www.macrumors.com... done.
Connecting to www.macrumors.com[64.62.137.66]:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 3,737,399 [video/quicktime]

but quicktime (yes it's v7) says it's not a file it understands

arn

Apr 25, 2005, 08:49 PM

downloaded it..

but quicktime (yes it's v7) says it's not a file it understands

download the gzip

arn

cynikal

Apr 25, 2005, 08:49 PM

Hmm, funny, that woule make those technologies like Blu-Ray and HD-DVD a bit redundant, since h.264 will make today's DVD seem like a HD-DVD. :)you're both missing the point; we want to not only see how pristine it looks, we also want to see how good it looks at lower bitrate. And by "we", i mean at least me, maybe others.

and how does h.264 make hd-dvd/bluray redundant? now you can have extreme bitrates that you can't just yet with today's optical media.. it won't make today's dvd's look like hd-dvd since when they'll likely require new players for the new codec (and those new players will support the larger capacity dvd's at the same time).

cynikal

Apr 25, 2005, 08:55 PM

download the gzip

arnhmm yeah.. that's much better :-\ am i missing the codec or something?

EDIT: i don't think i am, i verified the codec is in my /sys/lib/qt folder

Lacero

Apr 25, 2005, 08:59 PM

Video file worked for me.

arn

Apr 25, 2005, 08:59 PM

hmm yeah.. that's much better :-\ am i missing the codec or something?

you running Tiger? :)

arn

cynikal

Apr 25, 2005, 09:01 PM

you running Tiger? :)

arn

i thought i was :-(

cynikal

Apr 25, 2005, 09:03 PM

Video file worked for me.when i let the finder extract the tarball, it works.. when i extract it on the command line, it doesn't work..

guess the bomarchivehelper treats it differently? i thought they fixed /usr/bin/tar to handle resource forks? arg

sparkleytone

Apr 25, 2005, 09:03 PM

Broken

FWIW its relatively the same bitrate as the 'Large' Sin City Trailer2

arn

Apr 25, 2005, 09:08 PM

[Mirror]
FWIW its relatively the same bitrate as the 'Large' Sin City Trailer2

don't think your link works

arn

cynikal

Apr 25, 2005, 09:20 PM

Mirror (http://brent.warehouse6.com/video/tv2.mov)

FWIW its relatively the same bitrate as the 'Large' Sin City Trailer2

you have to mirror the tarball file instead because it preserves the resource fork.. the bare .mov file will be useless..

on a side note, anyone know why ? i thought we'd be moving away from dependance on this type of metadate

sparkleytone

Apr 25, 2005, 10:01 PM

Link that actually works (http://brent.warehouse6.com/video/tv2.mp4)

Looks like the .mov wrapper needs some work. Renaming it to .mp4 seems to be a good enough hack.

HGW

Apr 25, 2005, 10:03 PM

any tiger owners wanna tell me if you can export H.264 via iMovie?

cynikal

Apr 25, 2005, 10:24 PM

any tiger owners wanna tell me if you can export H.264 via iMovie?

i am exporting some dv from my mini-dv cam (25Mbit/s) to H.264.. it's only a 20 second clip but it's taking forever.. been at it for a half hour already (but i have an iChat video session going on also and that's going extremely choppy).

UPDATE: it was my ichat session that was slowing it way down.. guess using h.264 in the ichat didn't help heh..

question, is there an de-interlace filter or something? my dv stream is interlaced and it doesn't look too nice interlaced in h.264 :-\

HGW

Apr 25, 2005, 11:18 PM

thanks that means i wont be buying QT7pro

Lacero

Apr 25, 2005, 11:29 PM

The video source is uncompressed 1920x1080 @ 24 frames per second. True HD at full color resolution as well.

Here's a H.264 encoded movie I quickly made to test the codec. The file is a 7 second Jessica Alba montage encoded to H.264 at 5 Mbit/s, which falls within MPEG2 bitrates of between 4 - 8 Mbits/s. There's no audio.

alba_hd.mov (http://www3.telus.net/poojja/alba_hd.mov) (no sound) Option-click to save to your desktop first.

Be warned. You'll need a dual G5 and QT7 to play this puppy.

This video file is 4.9 MB, 7 seconds long. I will have to remove it if my bandwidth gets shot to hell.

Luciano

Apr 25, 2005, 11:51 PM

The good news is I posted some HD videos in H264. Unfortunately the fat angle is correct, most folks do not have access to high quality uncompressed video, HD video or film stock. I do so I will post a couple of short clips. Remember I haven’t received my copy of Tiger yet so I haven’t verified my files. Please give some feedback. You will probably need a G5 to play these back. They are 720P which is 1280 X 720 pixels. It usually helps to not use scaling in QT. In other words, if your monitor resolutions is 1280X 720 or above you should play at “normal” size.

As far as the comment on ripping DVDs etc. Remember no matter how good H264 is it can’t make the file look better than the source footage. Therefore the only reason to compress a DV stream is to have smaller file size.

These are the only clips I have on my home computer. I’ll post a couple more clips Tuesday from work where I have a lot more material. I’ll do one from 35mm film stock and one from 720P HD shoot with a VariCam.

The Varicam is the state-of-the-art HD camera for 720P HD. About $90K fully decked out. 720P is much better suited for playback on a computer than 1080i because computer monitors are only progressive and exaggerate interlacing artifacts.

Three shoots for now.

1st A shot of my dog at 30fps, shot with a varicam in 720P.

2nd A composite of a still shot take with a Nikon still camera and motion and text added in After Effects rendered out in 720P

3rd 30fps varicam shot of an auctioneer.

Links These will probably try to load in your browser, let them load then save the file to your desktop and then play in the QT player.

www.a3dtech.com/mastiff.mp4

www.a3dtech.com/mark.mp4

www.a3dtech.com/auct.mp4
;)

Lacero

Apr 26, 2005, 12:31 AM

...most folks do not have access to high quality uncompressed video, HD video or film stock. I do so I will post a couple of short clips.Hey, those are nice clips! I love the mastiff.mp4 the best. You have a good eye for the lighting!

When you mentioned 720P uncompressed footage, I was thinking you were shooting with a Viper Filmstream camera. I wouldn't qualify DVCPRO HD as exactly uncompressed, since it uses the exact same DCT-based compression scheme that DV uses.

The mark.mp4 clip was nice, you don't notice any compression artifacts. H.264 is da bomb!

cynikal

Apr 26, 2005, 07:59 AM

Be warned. You'll need a dual G5 and QT7 to play this puppy.man you people aren't kidding when you say it's CPU intensive.. my powerbook g4 1.5ghz w/ 1 gig of ram can't get over 10fps on that auct.mp4 :-\ the guy starts speaking, the a/v is desync'd, finally the video freezes (the audio keeps going).. is that normal? I can get the mastiff to go up to 20fps, what is it about the auction one that's so different? if anything mastiff is at a higher bitrate..

UPDATE: i think it's the fact that the auction has audio, the system is competing to decode the video vs the audio (and the audio seems to win).

Luciano

Apr 26, 2005, 08:44 AM

Lacero you are right about DVCProHD being compressed. All tapebased systems even D5 are compressed. However, they are production quality compression schemes. DVDCProHD is the best for portable tape. It's color space is 4.4.2 where as DV is 4.1.1. This means you much more color saturation and can composite with out artifacts and loss of color. When I said uncompressed I meant some of the footage. For instance the marks.mp4 file would be considered and uncompressed file. Today I will create a file from a 35mm film project I'm working on. The film was scanned as 2k cineon files. It will have a little bit of grain however because it is film. Also, I have some animations that were rendered out as uncompressed targa sequences.

The three files I already posted were compressed at slightly different data rates. If you have QT pro look at "Get Movie properties" and check the rates. Let me know the rate of the one that plays back the best?

Also, how do you guys have Tiger yet? Let me in on how to get it.

cynikal

Apr 26, 2005, 11:19 AM

The three files I already posted were compressed at slightly different data rates. If you have QT pro look at "Get Movie properties" and check the rates. Let me know the rate of the one that plays back the best?

I look forward to seeing more samples, here is the info from the ones you posted. They all play back choppy so i can't really judge which is "best".

Luciano

Apr 26, 2005, 11:59 PM

Here is a clip I made from 35mm film footage. It was scanned with a film scanner at 2k resolution. I scaled it down to 720X1280 in After Effects to an uncompressed file and then encoded that file into H264 with Sorenson Squeeze. I'll post some animation Wed.

www.a3dtech.com/movie.mp4

cynikal

Apr 27, 2005, 12:53 AM

Here is a clip I made from 35mm film footage... www.a3dtech.com/movie.mp4

Not Found

The requested URL /movie.mp4 was not found on this server.

Do you get a kick out of posting links that don't work :P i'll try again in the morning

Luciano

Apr 27, 2005, 09:21 AM

I fixed the link

JDOG_

Apr 29, 2005, 02:39 AM

Thanks for some of these example clips! It really is amazing and most of the clips ran smooth and incredible looking even on my 933 mhz iBook :D

Apple knows a good thing when they see it.

Sogo

Apr 29, 2005, 02:57 AM

Hmm...my powerbook cant seem to run them all constantly...They run for the first few seconds and then BOOM, i get a still...sadness.

cynikal

Apr 29, 2005, 07:37 AM

Hmm...my powerbook cant seem to run them all constantly...They run for the first few seconds and then BOOM, i get a still...sadness.

same thing here.. i guess i need a cheap ibook instead of my 1.5ghz 1gb ram powerbook :-\

live4ever

Apr 29, 2005, 08:20 AM

Thanks for the files they look great.

I'm a little disappointed that QT 7 doesn't use the graphics card as a hardware decoder to enable us folk with lowly PowerBooks to playback HD video better.

Sogo

Apr 29, 2005, 10:38 AM

Thanks for the files they look great.

I'm a little disappointed that QT 7 doesn't use the graphics card as a hardware decoder to enable us folk with lowly PowerBooks to playback HD video better.

You know, i actually thought qicktime 7 was going to do that. I mean, when they mentioned core video i thought video intensive stuff was going to use the GPU and not CPU...Sadness...But you know what? I will keep my head up and move on.

nesbitt_a

Apr 29, 2005, 10:46 AM

It seems apple are planning an HD gallery:
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/hdgallery/

shidoshi

Apr 29, 2005, 11:01 PM

Since my lowely 550MHz G4 would kill itself if I tried to encode an H.264 file, would somebody be willing to do this? What I'd love to see if how H.264 goes up against regular MPEG4 for non-HD kinds of stuff.

Like, take a 20 second clip from a DVD or another decent quality source, size it to around 320x240, and encode the same clip in both MPEG4 and H.264. I'm curious to see how much advantage H.264 would give when it comes to keeping good quality video at a lower file size.