IMAC IS FREAKIN UGLY

[SomeAppleGuy]

I was hoping the rumors were just rumors, but once again they are not. I'm sorry, I love Apple but I will never convince myself to like this ugly damn iMac no matter how hard I try. I'd rather see the re-introduction of the Rev A iMac. Sure its a G4, big deal we have had G4s. Sure its a flat panel, big deal we have had those too. I think its time for me to check out windows XP for the first time!!!

A P P L E S U C K S!!!

I gaurantee this product is going to bring back the jokes that have haunted Apple Computer from its beginning. This is not revolutionary. Ive see PCs that look like this for some time.

Good Job APPLE!!! WAY TO THINK DIFFERENT!!!

[eyelikeart]

It's people like u who bring everyone down...

Negativity and closed mindedness are what prevent people from getting ahead and moving forward...

it's easy to point the finger, but much harder to accept and understand...

[benmac]

I disagree (with SomeAppleGuy).

[xelterran]

most of the "mock up's" ive seen are impractical, the new imac looks and is AWSOME man!

[evildead]

SomeAppleGuy, you need to take your Prozac. The iMac is a cool new coputer. It is inovative and is a movent the right direction. Apple belves that the Desktop is not dead and that they will reside in every room in the home. Imagine an ultramodern kitchen with a new LCD iMac sitting on the counter. All your resipies could be found on your localy or on another Mac in the house and shared via airport. The desine is very nice. cute enuph to give one to the kids and professional enuph to have in your office. DVD-R! for the consumer! This is the direction of home computing. Apple is allways a head of the game and allwasy thinking diffrent. There may be some PC's out there that have tried to keep up with Apple or even gain a lead... but They have not even come close. MS is supposed to unvail there new Bigger than a PDA, smaller than a tablet PC, "socal PDA", TV remot control soon. That sounds like they maybe trying to think diffrent... and thats good. But Apple leads the way for home computing.

XP.. have you seen XP? Its ugly as hell. I someone needs to give bill gates a lesson in color. I mean... its just grose. I like how they are using Mac like icons. And I see that they are attempting to think of the user for onece. (they did that with Win2000 a little) But man.. its a dog. Sloest Windows ever. Sounds to me like SomeAppleGuy is really some WindowsUserGuy. If you want to join club beigeBox then go ahead. No one is stopping you.

[Edited by evildead on 01-07-2002 at 11:51 PM]

[SomeAppleGuy]

Close minded huh? So if Apple advertises, "where no PC has gone before", "prepare to be blown away", and "WAY BEYOND THE RUMOR SIGHTS" we should not expect those things? Wheres the revolutionary device everyone has been talking about? Is a flat panel lamp shade revolutionary? I mean turn the computer on at night it makes ONE HELL OF A NIGHT LIGHT FOR MY KID!!! But that its.

Heres another point.. we will never stop seeing crap like this produced by big companies as long as people like you are willing to pay for them. IPOD is a great example of a poor device being very over priced, but yet you all by them because of the Apple Logo.

DEMAND MORE FROM YOUR HEROS!!!


maybe next time we will get something that truely does change the world.

[agreenster]

man, I still hate to admit it, but the iMac is kinda "toy-ish" looking. I fear that it WILL being back all the same old jokes.

That website is still missing my favorite mock-up. I posted it here in the Hardware rumors section under the heading:
Love, Hype, and the iMac. Its still the coolest looking by far.

On the contrary to SomeAppleGuy:

I think the iPod is great.
Not so hot about the iMac. There are a lot more professional looking computers available from Apple, like the portables. I wish they wouldnt have produced this iMac.

[Edited by agreenster on 01-07-2002 at 03:06 PM]

[evildead]

Originally posted by SomeAppleGuy
Close minded huh? So if Apple advertises, "where no PC has gone before", "prepare to be blown away", and "WAY BEYOND THE RUMOR SIGHTS" we should not expect those things? Wheres the revolutionary device everyone has been talking about? Is a flat panel lamp shade revolutionary? I mean turn the computer on at night it makes ONE HELL OF A NIGHT LIGHT FOR MY KID!!! But that its.

Heres another point.. we will never stop seeing crap like this produced by big companies as long as people like you are willing to pay for them. IPOD is a great example of a poor device being very over priced, but yet you all by them because of the Apple Logo.

DEMAND MORE FROM YOUR HEROS!!!


maybe next time we will get something that truely does change the world.


What do you expect... its a Computer??? Apple is not in the cure for Cancer Bizz... they make cool comsumer computers and Powerfull work stations for Pros.


the iPod is a great toy. Is is expensive? Yes... If you comepair it to anything out there is it the best ? yes. I personaly have on need for something like that but Its still a great device. The BMW z8 cost $130,000.00. Is that a crappy car? Do any of us need one? Did it change the world? OR is it just a really cool car?

[agreenster]

I know you are upset evildead, and I am too. But this particular iMac isnt exactly revolutionary (like the Titanium was). Its a very typical computer in a not-so-typical frame. Thats all. Its also overpriced, and you CAN get PC's that do more for cheaper.

[evildead]

Originally posted by agreenster
man, I still hate to admit it, but the iMac is kinda "toy-ish" looking. I fear that it WILL being back all the same old jokes.

That website is still missing my favorite mock-up. I posted it here in the Hardware rumors section under the heading:
Love, Hype, and the iMac. Its still the coolest looking by far.

On the contrary to SomeAppleGuy:

I think the iPod is great.
Not so hot about the iMac. There are a lot more professional looking computers available from Apple, like the portables. I wish they wouldnt have produced this iMac.

[Edited by agreenster on 01-07-2002 at 03:06 PM]

True.. its not the most professional computer... but I still think its cool. For a consumer compouter its great. The original iMac was far from professional at it is the best selling PC ever. I probably wont get one... but I would recomend others to.

[SomeAppleGuy]

Your comparing a BMW to the iPOD?? The ipod is at best the chevy camaro (67-69) of mp3 players. Its fast like the camaro, its shiny like a new one, but also like the chevy... destined to become the camaro of the 90s. Ugly, Slow, and just like every other wanna-be sports car on the road. I work for Apples Tech Support dept, beleive me.. the iPods are not well put together. As for this iMac thing, I predict it lasts about as long as the cube.

And does anyone out there honestly thing this computer looks better than the cube?

[agreenster]

Maybe comparing the iPod to a BMW went a little far, but evildead is just defending a good product. The iPod is cool, and I dont care if you know so and so who says its crap. I sure love them, and theyve neve crapped out on me.

Anyway, its all just a matter of taste. You dont like the iMac, and neither do I. Big deal. I still use Apple and the portables, and will embrace the G5's whenever they surface.

Oh, and dont trash Camaro's. They still look sweet and cost less than a vette. I love mine, and can smoke just about any other car that wants to tangle.

[SomeAppleGuy]

my post maybe wasn't as clear as i wanted it to be. if your driving a 1st generation camaro i have the utmost respect for you. i rebuilt a 69 a few years ago. what i meant was that the 1st gen camara would become the 2nd, the 3rd, and then the 4th, which (no offence if you have one) are peices of CRAP! So the iMac hits generation 2. Whats next? The original camaros led the way and forced people to copy them, hence the firebird. Now the camera looks like every other american made car on the road. They almost stopped producing them. I think Apple started off this way but lately they are following EVERYONE else.

First flat panel all in one computer??? nope

First mp3 player???? nope

First photo software??? nope

Show me something in the last few years that Apple has done first.

[agreenster]

I agree. I do have a newer camaro, but thats because of cost, not what I want. Of course, if I had the money, Id love a classic. I still would rather have my Camaro over my old Grand Am though. Its all about comparisons. But I see your point. As of now, I like the iPod.

But yeah, they HAVE stopped production on Camaros, and are making a truck instead. Blah.

I guess Ill just have to save up for a Corvette or something.

[evildead]

Originally posted by SomeAppleGuy
Your comparing a BMW to the iPOD?? The ipod is at best the chevy camaro (67-69) of mp3 players. Its fast like the camaro, its shiny like a new one, but also like the chevy... destined to become the camaro of the 90s. Ugly, Slow, and just like every other wanna-be sports car on the road. I work for Apples Tech Support dept, beleive me.. the iPods are not well put together. As for this iMac thing, I predict it lasts about as long as the cube.

And does anyone out there honestly thing this computer looks better than the cube?


I was saying that the iPod is the BWM of Mp3 players. You know of a better Mp3 player out there? One with better desine and flaver with a combined size, durrability, storage, speed, and FireWire interface? Let us know what this super Mp3 player is.

Like agreenster said.. i was just saying that the iPod is a good product and that its a better product than most others even close to it, much like how a BMW z8 is a better car than a Chevy Comaro.

[evildead]

Originally posted by agreenster
I agree. I do have a newer camaro, but thats because of cost, not what I want. Of course, if I had the money, Id love a classic. I still would rather have my Camaro over my old Grand Am though. Its all about comparisons. But I see your point. As of now, I like the iPod.

But yeah, they HAVE stopped production on Camaros, and are making a truck instead. Blah.

I guess Ill just have to save up for a Corvette or something.

I was at the LA car show yesterday. They had on display the 35th Anavesery Camero and they were handing out free posters. True, they stopped making them. But dont worrie. I read that they are going to bring them back in a few years better than ever. They need to do something to show up Ford and their new T-Bird.

[SomeAppleGuy]

Can I just say that talking about cars is much more exciting than arguing about computers.

HAVE WE ALL GONE MAD???

im sure i have

[rEd Eye]

The new imac could look great in your 80's retro linolium everything kitchen.Even comes with wonderfull new "iwash",and "iwatchthebaby"software.
There WILL be a cheap horror movie based on this thing coming alive and eating children!!!!

[agreenster]

Rumor is, its going to be front wheel drive, and more compact, like the TBird. Im not sure if I WOULD like that or not. But yeah, Im going to miss the old Camaros.

Yeah. Ive gone mad. I was supposed to be working all day.

[evildead]

Originally posted by rEd Eye
The new imac could look great in your 80's retro linolium everything kitchen.Even comes with wonderfull new "iwash",and "iwatchthebaby"software.
There WILL be a cheap horror movie based on this thing coming alive and eating children!!!!

Haha... Trauma Team Video should make the movie. I would go see it... or rent it. (the only way you can see Trauma Team movies)

[SomeAppleGuy]

Id pay 8 bucks to see that. Perhaps at the end of the movie the original iMac comes back to life and kills the evil iLAMP and SAVES THE DAY!!!!

then rev A iMac marries an ibook and has a litter of ipods, one of the ipods gets wet and eats after midnight and turns into an xBox and takes over the world!!

[eyelikeart]

this is getting boring now...

[Obsidian]

I do not particularly like the new iMac's design, but I am sure that I will get used to it, as I did the last one. What you need to do is calm down, then, compare the iPod. The iPod is the BMW of portable mp3 players. The original price tag does seem a bit high, but only to the pessimist.

First of all, most mp3 players are 32-128MB capable, and do not contain HD's. They usually cost anywhere from $50 to $200, and use USB. Then you get into the higher end units, such as the Nomad. It holds 20GB, but it is alot lardger, and also uses USB. I would not want to transfer 20GB of mp3's via USB. (Not only that, but I dont know anyone with 20GB of mp3's).

I do not Consider the iPod revolutionary, but I do consider it highly useful. One function it has that no other mp3 player has is the ability to be used as a regular HD, so it can do alot more than just play mp3's.

And when did this become an argument about which camaros are the best? They all suck. Give me a Charger or an F-40 any day. hehe.

The iMac, im sure, wont do to badly, as it has already sold 1000 units to Biotech.

The only thing that really chaps my ass about this mac world is that I managed to sit through the whole thing, as choppy and slow as my computer could make it, and for what? I was waiting for the 1GHZ+ G4's or G5's!

Oh well, they better get here by MW Tokyo or it will be a 137MHZ gain in NINE MONTHS!

[agreenster]

Good post Obsidian, I mostly agree with you. But why combine Mopar and Ford? Man, you gotta be faithful to one or the other.....

:) Waiting on the G5's too......

[evildead]

I joind the 300 club today arguning about the iPod and the iMac.

... and about cars... well.. not really arguing about cars.

[Obsidian]

just because my brother has a really nice XLT supercab V8 f150 truck that he got for VERY CHEAP (brand new) does not mean im a ford guy. I want a ferrari f-40, or a dodge charger, or mabye a viper. remember that video with the f-40 goinf way over 300KPH? he sold 10000 copies, but the VERY last one he sold, the 10001, he sold to an undercover cop, lol.

[evildead]

Originally posted by Obsidian
just because my brother has a really nice XLT supercab V8 f150 truck that he got for VERY CHEAP (brand new) does not mean im a ford guy. I want a ferrari f-40, or a dodge charger, or mabye a viper. remember that video with the f-40 goinf way over 300KPH? he sold 10000 copies, but the VERY last one he sold, the 10001, he sold to an undercover cop, lol.

What video whas that??

[Durandal7]

To SomeAppleGuy: If you really do love Apple and actually work for them then you should just DROP IT. You've stated your opinion and that's fine , just stop harassing everyone else with it.

[Obsidian]

whatever it was, I saw part of it on TLC last night. he was doing almost 350KPH on secluded american roads. he made a few hundred thousand off of it. all i can say is he passed deprived minivan speeders going 90mph as if they were standing still, or going backwards :)

[Obsidian]

i laugh at how much time some people spend here. dantec, for instance, started using the forums a month after me and hes already at well over 200 postes. weee.. ill keep posting useless posts. ill get there eventually :)

[eyelikeart]

congrats on making 300!

[rekras]

i think the new imac is spectacular and i really really want one, a great value!!!! dissapointed at first, apple should have never said beyond the rumors sites way beyond that pissed me off alot cus we were right on, didnt mind all the other hype statements, what a great expo!

[Obsidian]

oh yeah, SomeAppleBoy, you asked what new things apple did this year that had not been done before.

1.Superdrive
2.iDVD
3.iMovie
4.iTunes
5.OS X
6.iPod (firs to be more than an mp3 player. it can hold anything under 5gb, and uses firewire)
7.need I go on?

[SomeAppleGuy]

Um...

Superdrive has been done before, call Panasonic

There are plenty of home editing programs for PC like iMovie

MP3 playing software for PC (your right never heard of it (sarcasm))

Dont get me started on the iPod again



OK listen, I dont hate Apple, Im just hoping someone important reads this and starts thinking a little more.

Props on the 14" iBOok even tho that should have started that way

iDVD is great, and im glad iMacs now have that ability. Ok??? so theres some positive stuff. But I still feel disappointed as they promised more with the advertising.

[Obsidian]

like I said, many of the things apple has by themself are not totally new. but it is the things they add to them that make it new. I have never seen an mp3 player that is a stable, beautiful, user friendly, and as compatible with so much as it is. on top of that; sure we have seen visualisers, but none that can yet compare to the itunes GeForce. ( realise that this came from soundjam, and i use it for audion, but the perpetually complicated pc users do not)

dvd burners have been around since the beginning of dvd's, but apple was the first company to put it in a pc.

[Durandal7]

If anyone really important read this we would have iWalks and dodecahedron macs.

[Onyxx]

I once thought the same as SomeAppleGuy, but that was at 12 last night when the only image of the thing was 4x6 at 72 dpi and it only showed it from the front. Today I got home and viewed the thing in all its glory with its moving screen (the reason it looked so ugly in the early pics is that the screen looked stationary with a metal pole attached to an oversized base station). Once I saw the promo video I was impressed, when I checked out the price I was really impressed. Can anyone say G4 tower killer? Pro guys don't flame me with stuff like "no pci cards" and "only 1 gig of ram". I work with final cut pro 2, cinema 4d xl, and commotion pro 4 on a regular basis and I can't see a better package for running such apps at this price range. G4 800, 17 inch flat panel, superdrive, geforce 2, 60 gig drive for 1800!!! Come on! tell me thats not great. On the otherhand you could go out and buy a G4 867 for a base of 2499 add another grand for a 17 inch flat panel and buy yourself an external(or internal) dvd burner for a grand total of about 4 grand!!! Now this is virtually the same damn thing minus pci and hard drive expansion (thats what fire wire is for and yes I know that its not ultra 160 speed) for under 2 grand! And to tell you the truth it really does not look as bad as SomeAppleGuy says it is. But hey if you really want to go off the blue end on a product with as much potential as this, go right ahead and enjoy your new PeeCee with windows XP, just stop with the b*tching.

[Onyxx]

15 inch display not 17. A 17 inch would have been even better but for 1800 and the fact that i can add a second monitor via the vga output i wont argue. I have to admit im more than a little dissapointed that there were no new towers but considering all of the power they gave the lowely iMac the new towers are going to be pretty damn amazing (i hope). We'll see in Tokyo.

[Edited by Onyxx on 01-07-2002 at 07:45 PM]

[Maxx]

I thought that the Cube was a very cool looking when if first came out but I couldn't afford one being a college kid on a tight budget. But the new iMac is just plain stupid looking, if I was given one I would take it but buy it? Not a chance.

[SomeAppleGuy]

If someone gave me one I would sell it on ebay to some chump that didnt know any better. and i agree.. this thing will not last as long as the cube.

[repboy]

Your point has been made. You don't like the new design and were disappointed by the presentation. We get the idea. Move on.

There are some of us who are not stooges and who think the product has excellent potential to rack up good sales numbers for Apple. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean there isn't a market for it, just that your money won't be going towards one.

As far as the apps are concerned, iMovie does have similar programs in the PC world, but none that were free of charge at the time iMovie was released. Apple is the only company smart enough to reposition the home personal computer as the "digital hub"; other PC companies dance around the idea but still hammer home business and gaming functions. With the sharp increase in sales of digital cameras in the last 12 months, this is a shrewd strategy.

In addition, while you might think the iBook "should have been" 14" screen all along, prices for screens didn't allow for 14" iBooks when the product was introduced. After the first year, economies of scale in manufacturing often allow a company to reduce prices or bump up features at the same price points. This is largely what has happened with iBook now.

I believe you stated you work in Tech Support. If so, I hope I don't get my call or email referred to someone as negative as you. But you might learn a lot from hanging around the Sales and Marketing departments, and find out all the steps that go into making a product for sale. Sometimes the product isn't 100% of what you want when it is first introduced. That is one reason why some wait for 2nd generation models. But operating profitably, especially in 2002, is a hard course to steer, and as an Apple shareholder I think they have dealt a very strong hand.

And I love my Cube. Wrong for 95% of the marketplace (either because of features or price point), it is right for me. The iMac does not have either of these liabilities...

[SomeAppleGuy]

NO, the Cube was fantastic. It packed alot of punch and looked beutiful and it failed. So how can you expect the new iMac to last? I may not be in sales and I may not represent corporate but I know these things, common sence goes a long way in the real world.

Apple Stock is doing the same as the rest of the stock market. Marginal at best. Apple can blame Sept 11th all the want but the truth is the computer market is going down hill and will continue to do so. The boom has ended and its time to move forward. Everyone has a personal computer in their home, they are as common as a television and you are not going to get people to upgrade every year because they look different or have slightly improved speed. Look through these posts and see how many people are still running BEIGE G3s.

What gets me down more than anything is Apple has the power to start making significant differences in our world but choose not too in favor or making an extra buck or 2. 25 years ago they helped create a revolution with the PC. There will be no further revolutions with PCs, lets get more creative than that.

[Durandal7]

The cube failed because it was priced too high and didn't have a monitor. The iMac is priced for consumers and has a monitor built in.

[Nexus]

If you are going to compare apple computers to cars i guess ill have to add mine.

Just because there are more volvo's on the road than BMW's does not make them better cars.

Just because more people own pc's doesnt make them better machines, 99% OF THEM STILL RUN WINDOWS

with a mac, you may pay more, no its not for everyone, but you pay for style, elegance, design, simplicity, ease of use and NON WINDOWS.

my 2¢ :)

[kaneda]

SomeAppleguy
Can you name an MP3 that is better than ipod?

I am sure the new imac will sell like crazy! There is no other personal computer is like the new imac. It is awesome for your home and of course ergonomic. I bet you PC dorks are trying to copy Apple rite now. In a couple of months I bet you Dell or HP will produce something just like this. Apple is always the inventor! Sure, they are slow in producing faster computer! But they hell can design stylist looking computer that fit perfectly in your home. And, yes they make their own OS. The best looking OS for personal computer!!

Your kids probably like the lamp you will get for them. :O) They can play with iphoto, idvd, imovie, and of couse itune will play music for them while they sleep. But I would suggest if you are looking for a lamp. I got myself a lamp just like an imac no monitor or CPU at home depot for just 9.99...really nice...

[SomeAppleGuy]

$400+ (after tax and shipping) for some 50 hours of continous music? I'm sorry, but I don't find myself walking around that long. The only time I would need that much music might be during a long drunkenfest party in which 400 dollars could buy a much nicer home player. And as for storing data on the 5gb HD?? I'll keep that info on my PB G4.

[erosner32]

you people who diss the new imac are crazy and stupid!!! First, it is intended for average consumers not geeks....it is intended to make Apple profitable, not to fill your cybergirl fantasy, and it is an amazing machine for the price and value and DESIGN.....It is NOT a new tower...you will just have to wait...so go back to your porno sites and keep slopping down your cheese-puffs on your fat-ass guts...i am sick of hearing people moan and groan...."Waaa Apple this, waaaa Apple that." if you dont like it start your own freakin company....just like SJ!

Stupids

[SomeAppleGuy]

maybe if you don't like these arguements you should not read through this forum.

if you can't stand the heat GET YOUR ASS OUT THE KITCHEN!!!

and while your at go make me a turkey pot pie!

[reyesg4]

The iMac is for the new users to the Mac. If you know more than 5 command key shortcuts, and know the history of the company and are a fan, the towers are for you. You know what makes the mac special and you should understand why its worth buying the towers. The iMac is for the average non-computer or PC user. Not people that have been converted. Its an excellent computer to buy if you don't want to share your Mac with the family. Apple makes them upgly to the pros because the pros will never be satisfied with anything but a cheap beige box, period. If all apple did was make boxes not many people would want to buy them.

Now the iMac has every feature that the pro line has:
Superdrive
1Gig ram
60 GIG HD
Flat LCD

other than bus speed, what can Apple add to this thing to make it more special. If the iMac sets the standard for what a low end computer is, then I would say that the 21century is going to kick ass! What can apple possible offer on the high end to top this? The only thing different on the top end will be speed. So all you speedfreaks will get what you want, Apple can't offer you anything else!

[GPTurismo]

I love that someappleguy claims to work for APPLE TECH SUPPORT AND SAYS HOW IPODS ARE CHEAP.

Yeah, sure, I believe you, because I am steve jobs shoe shine man.

I think SomeAppleGuy just needs to shut the hell up, go buy a pc, and get on with his pitiful life.

[SomeAppleGuy]

do you have an attention disorder? Show me when I called an iPod cheap. i could go nuts naming off the items i would rather have for 400 dollars, and a portable music player will never be among them. now go back to your playstation.

[GPTurismo]

My playstation? How cute.

You said CHEAP as in POORLY BUILT you retard. Sheesh, you don't even know what you said.

I have taken two apart, and I have to agree with the wackos at tech tv, it's a pretty sturdy little machine.

And with that $400, you can buy yourself a nice little eMachine and get away from the company that sucks.

[elfin buddy]

regardless of what anyone else thinks, i think the new imac's form is pretty smooth =) i have managed to find 3 things i dislike (knob for a base, tray-loading drive, needs more headphone ports) about it but i have found many things that i LOVE (800mhz g4, geforce 2 mx, dvd burner, etc....) about it.

apple has learned from the cube and has designed this computer accordingly. i can guarentee that apple isnt making a gigantic profit off this machine. just think about what they are offering here for a second.....800mhz g4 (same mhz as top-end machine: risky is u ask me but then again maybe apple doesnt plan on keeping its pro mhz that low for long...), 15" lcd screen, 60gb hd, dvd burner, geforce 2 mx, pro speakers, 3 usb ports, 2 firewire ports, 256mb ram, etc.....all for the same price as a cube when it debuted only a year and a half ago. if anyone has a problem with that i suggest that they get their head out of their ass and wipe the ****** out of their eyes.

as someone said before, the imac is intended to intice new users. why do u think they are trying to attract so much attention??? they got on the cover of time magazine and got the imac announced on just about every radio station in my area. those teasers werent just for the rumor mill. they were to get noticed so that everyone would be paying attention when the imac got announced. the one about being beyond the rumor sites was probably intended as a slap-in-the-face to all the rumor sites out there who think they know better than apple. apple has been trying to shut down rumor sites for a while, and has especially been doing so since mwny. if u just sit back and look at what apple is trying to accomplish, it all makes sense. does anyone out here think they could have designed a better imac than what apple just did? if so, u should go talk with apple right now and try to get hired......

and lol i do think the new imac would be great in a horror flick or something hahahaha! come to think of it, the imac would look pretty freaky just sitting there, staring at u in the dark hahaha!

[repboy]

Everything is relative. $400 is a lot for an MP3 player, if the yardstick is a Rio. On the other hand, a Rio can't be used as a backup or emergency hard drive. Nor is it as convenient for a traveler to use with an FR-modulator and become an MP3 player for the car. While one could buy an MP3 in-dash for $200-$300 (uninstalled), it wouldn't be portable, either. One friend of mine who takes long crusies on his Harley takes an iPod along with RF-modulator and has hours of music to listen to while he makes his way along the highway, and it goes with him when he gets off the bike.

The point is, if the only way you're going to see the iPod is as competition for a Rio then you are going to be disappointed. But if you choose to examine it in light of all the things it can do, then you'll most likely find it is actually a very sweet deal.

[repboy]

I think the G4 residing in the iMac is clearest evidence that G5 will make its debut by midyear in the towers. The fact it is in the iMac now is capitulation by Apple to the reality that OSX requires a G4 to operate with any speed at all. Since one of the major reasons for MWSF was to legitimize OSX as the default OS (and no longer the OS of the Future but the OS of the Present), they couldn't very well unleash a new iMac that poked along running OSX like a kid being dragged to the dentist's office.

When the G5s hit the market later this year the Tower Boys will be able to drool and gush and then complain about all the other things they don't like about the new towers. It is a given that some people need to complain about something.

(And didn't someone complain about tray-load drives? Is the SuperDrive available as a slot-load? If not, then that would explain why all the other choices would have to be tray-load as well, since you have to design the hardware to work will all three drive mechs...)

In the meantime, I expect Apple to reach out to the masses (NOT just the faithful) with the message than Apple iMac can make the user get more productivity and value out of their DV and digital still cameras. This won't vault them to 10% market share, but it will bring some new converts to the tent. I think Apple's research shows 40% of visitors to the Apple Stores are not Mac users currently, which means they have "fresh meat" to impress, instead of just selling new iMacs to old Mac customers...

[F/reW/re]

ohhh, I'm looking forward to the next PowerMac. It has to be superfast :D

[evildead]

Originally posted by SomeAppleGuy
Um...

Superdrive has been done before, call Panasonic

There are plenty of home editing programs for PC like iMovie

MP3 playing software for PC (your right never heard of it (sarcasm))

Dont get me started on the iPod again



OK listen, I dont hate Apple, Im just hoping someone important reads this and starts thinking a little more.

Props on the 14" iBOok even tho that should have started that way


iMovie is probably the best low-end consumer product like it out there... If you go to any Film school... they all use FinalCutPro... and they start off using iMovie.. or at least they did at my buddys school. you can teach your self how to use it in a day and its free. How can you beat that.

The new iBook is very nice.

Maybe they should give a free iPod when you buy a BMW..... :)

iDVD is great, and im glad iMacs now have that ability. Ok??? so theres some positive stuff. But I still feel disappointed as they promised more with the advertising.

[GPTurismo]

G5s might come out mid year. Might. Mot is having problems. So who knows. I believe that they are going to release gigahertz machines at MWTokyo. Even though this isn't an important matter to me, optimization of OS X is more important in my eyes.

But with apple, who knows except TimeCanada. ;)

[elfin buddy]

you have some good points =) i never figured that the reason for a tray was the superdrive. either way, its not something im pissed about, im just being picky because there are im having trouble coming up with things that i DONT like about the new imac =) long live the imac!

[Jim McCullough]

I think SomeAppleGuy is SomeWindowsGuy.