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colonelradec
Aug 21, 2011, 04:41 PM
Hi Guys
I'm going to sell my PC and get a Macintosh.
I use it for daily use and I'll play some games.
I know Mac Pro is very overpowered for daily use.It looks like hunting birds w/ a cannon.But I love it.
What do u think about it ? Should I get it or get something different.Thanks a lot.



Neodym
Aug 21, 2011, 05:49 PM
You don't need to justify yourself - if you like the computer, there is no need to artificially find or construct arguments for buying it! Today's world often is organised in what people think is the "most efficient" way. However - we are humans and entitled to act irrationally, e.g. by buying a computer that is helplessly overpowered for that little surfing and casual gaming we do.

Others are buying huge cars they don't really need to get from A to B - just because they like them!

So in your case i'd say: If you can afford it, then do it!

And if you need some artificial arguments: Point to the 4 drive bays, mention your preference for OSX and say, that you are doing video editing and everyone will become quiet and accept your choice. :D

colonelradec
Aug 21, 2011, 06:28 PM
You don't need to rectify yourself - if you like the computer, there is no need to ariticially find or construct arguments for buying it! Today's world often is organised in what people think is the "most efficient" way. However - we are humans and entitled to act irrationally, e.g. by buying a computer that is helplessly overpowered for that little surfing and casual gaming we do.

Others are buying huge cars they don't really need to get from A to B - just because they like them!

So in your case i'd say: If you can afford it, then do it!

And if you need some artificial arguments: Point to the 4 drive bays, mention your preference for OSX and say, that you are doing video editing and everyone will become quiet and accept your choice. :D


OMG.U're right.I didn't think that.BTW thanks for the argumets. :cool:
Should I buy 4 core or 8 core ?

peabo
Aug 21, 2011, 07:52 PM
OMG.U're right.I didn't think that.BTW thanks for the argumets. :cool:
Should I buy 4 core or 8 core ?

New Mac Pros are probably coming before the end of the year so if you cannot wait, the most sensible choice right now is the 6-core 3.33GHz model. I wouldn't bother with the 4 core model as it's outclassed by the current high-end iMacs. Only get the 12 core if you can afford it.

nanofrog
Aug 21, 2011, 09:28 PM
New Mac Pros are probably coming before the end of the year so if you cannot wait, the most sensible choice right now is the 6-core 3.33GHz model. I wouldn't bother with the 4 core model as it's outclassed by the current high-end iMacs. Only get the 12 core if you can afford it.
The suitable parts aren't due out until Q4 2011, and it takes time to get systems assembled for shipment (typically another 13 weeks = 1Q). So realistically, those waiting for the next MP models would be looking at Feb. or March of 2012, assuming there's no problems on the production/final validation end of those systems.

philipma1957
Aug 21, 2011, 09:53 PM
OMG.U're right.I didn't think that.BTW thanks for the argumets. :cool:
Should I buy 4 core or 8 core ?

I don't know if you mod gear. A quad 2.8 can be found and upgraded to a hex 3.33 in under an hour for about 500 bucks. so if you are handy you can have a hex 3.33 for about 2500 to 2700 instead of 3600.


amazon selling open box quads for 2057.00

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buy.com on ebay sells the upgrade cpu for 618

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Intel-Xeon-UP-W3680-3-33-GHz-Processor-Hexa-core-/150631254857?pt=CPUs&hash=item2312528b49#ht_2969wt_1189



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cost is 2675 for a hex 3.33


http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MC560LL/A?select=select&product=MC560LL%2FA&mco=MTg2OTUwMjQ


2499 at apple pick the same 3.33 hex and it is 3699

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bearcatrp
Aug 21, 2011, 10:27 PM
I second getting a six core, or quad and upgrading yourself. Might as well future proof and get the most you can afford. You won't regret it.

colonelradec
Aug 22, 2011, 02:51 AM
I think I can change the CPU
6 Core : 3699
8 Core : 3499
Do u know why is six core overpriced ? There is 2 CPU socket in 8 core.It's more upgradeble.But $200 cheaper than 6 core.

peabo
Aug 22, 2011, 06:43 AM
The suitable parts aren't due out until Q4 2011, and it takes time to get systems assembled for shipment (typically another 13 weeks = 1Q). So realistically, those waiting for the next MP models would be looking at Feb. or March of 2012, assuming there's no problems on the production/final validation end of those systems.That is true, but Q4 starts in October and Apple will likely have access to early samples of the technology to allow them to bring the system to market earlier than most people. They have gotten first dibs on intel chips and chips from other manufacturers in the past such as the intel processor that was used in the original Air and the 8-core Clovertown chip that went in the first 8-core Mac Pro.

The Clovertown chip in particular became available in July 2007 but appeared in the Mac Pro much earlier, April 2007 to be specific.

chrono1081
Aug 22, 2011, 06:50 AM
Well, I wont ridicule your choice but I will say this:

If you are going to be playing some games and don't need the latest and greatest in graphics I'd suggest maybe getting an iMac and an iPad. I'll cost less and give you two great devices to use.

lamboman
Aug 22, 2011, 07:27 AM
Well, I wont ridicule your choice but I will say this:

If you are going to be playing some games and don't need the latest and greatest in graphics I'd suggest maybe getting an iMac and an iPad. I'll cost less and give you two great devices to use.

This for sure.

You might like the Mac Pro, but the performance of the bottom end quad-core model is going to be worse than that of the 2.7GHz iMac models when it comes to single-core applications, and with multi-threaded applications, both the 2.93GHz i7 and the current 3.4GHz i7 are going to be faster than the Mac Pro, as well as cheaper and with a 27 inch display.

What I'm saying is that even for most professionals, a top-end iMac is often a better choice now than the bottom-end Mac Pro. If you're spending money on the higher end Mac Pros...well then, that just starts getting into silly money.

DanielCoffey
Aug 22, 2011, 07:28 AM
I moved to my current Mac Pro from an iMac because of the heat and screen discolouring that seemed to be common in the higher-specced iMacs at the time.

Its main use is "daily" stuff and light gaming (WoW, Minecraft) that would be well within the remit of an iMac but I am enjoying the lack of cable clutter since all my drives are internal and the machine runs nice and cool.

I do agree that an iMac plus iPad is a fair recommendation but if you can afford the specced MP then you won't regret it.

(Memory was a third-party upgrade after purchase).

zodqyv
Aug 22, 2011, 07:49 AM
You could buy an iMac, a MacBook Air, an iPad, and an iPhone for less than you will pay for a base model Mac Pro + Apple Display.

Think about it.

Seriously.

GoCubsGo
Aug 22, 2011, 07:56 AM
You don't need to rectify yourself -
I think you mean justify. ;)
Well, I wont ridicule your choice but I will say this:

If you are going to be playing some games and don't need the latest and greatest in graphics I'd suggest maybe getting an iMac and an iPad. I'll cost less and give you two great devices to use.

^This is what I would say as well. The only thing that makes me not sell my oct-core 2.8 MacPro is that the iMac has a glossy screen and that will never work for me for large displays.

colonelradec
Aug 22, 2011, 08:08 AM
What about this guys ? It's cheaper than Octo Core MP http://store.bilkom.com.tr/Apple-Apple-iMac-27-inc-3-4GHz-Quad-Core-Intel-i7-8GB-Bellek-1TB-AMD-Radeon-HD-6970M-2GB-_3467.html#0

peabo
Aug 22, 2011, 09:03 AM
What about this guys ? It's cheaper than Octo Core MP http://store.bilkom.com.tr/Apple-Apple-iMac-27-inc-3-4GHz-Quad-Core-Intel-i7-8GB-Bellek-1TB-AMD-Radeon-HD-6970M-2GB-_3467.html#0

The core i7 3.4GHz is a very fast machine and will outclass the Mac Pro in a lot of areas, particularly apps that don't use all 8 cores such as games. The graphics card will be a little weaker but if you really need such a thing, there will soon be external thunderbolt enclosures that can take desktop-class cards.

Umbongo
Aug 22, 2011, 10:09 AM
I think I can change the CPU
6 Core : 3699
8 Core : 3499
Do u know why is six core overpriced ? There is 2 CPU socket in 8 core.It's more upgradeble.But $200 cheaper than 6 core.

Because the two 4-core processors cost $750 and a 6-core costs $1000. The 8-core in a sense is also a base model (base 2-socket Mac Pro) where the 6-core is an upgrade and companies charge premiums for upgrades.

derbothaus
Aug 22, 2011, 12:06 PM
Because the two 4-core processors cost $750 and a 6-core costs $1000. The 8-core in a sense is also a base model (base 2-socket Mac Pro) where the 6-core is an upgrade and companies charge premiums for upgrades.

Also the 6-core is faster. Sometimes WAY faster. Apple prices according to real performance usually. Look at the refurb 2.4GHz 8-cores they are like 350.00 or more reduced.

lamboman
Aug 22, 2011, 04:02 PM
To the OP, I wouldn't be looking at a machine higher end than the iMac 27 3.1GHz i5 (the top end pre-configured model), to be honest. Save your money for games, storage, or whatever, and/or buy some extra toys. You will be far more satisfied in the long run with that.

InuNacho
Aug 22, 2011, 06:46 PM
Well, I wont ridicule your choice but I will say this:

If you are going to be playing some games and don't need the latest and greatest in graphics I'd suggest maybe getting an iMac and an iPad. I'll cost less and give you two great devices to use.

Maybe the OP doesn't like having to send back a mirror every year because it started turning yellow.

nanofrog
Aug 22, 2011, 06:46 PM
That is true, but Q4 starts in October and Apple will likely have access to early samples of the technology to allow them to bring the system to market earlier than most people. They have gotten first dibs on intel chips and chips from other manufacturers in the past such as the intel processor that was used in the original Air and the 8-core Clovertown chip that went in the first 8-core Mac Pro.

The Clovertown chip in particular became available in July 2007 but appeared in the Mac Pro much earlier, April 2007 to be specific.
Yes, Q4 starts in October, but given the information out regarding the LGA2011 and accompanying chipset series, an October release seems unlikely. So November or even December are more realistic targets (last I saw, Intel is trying to meet a November release - no week given, but as it's a rush, I prefer to be cautious and will figure for December).

As per early shipments to get systems out ahead of other vendors, that hasn't happened with the MP since 2009. The 2010 systems arrived later (~ 13 weeks after Intel's official launch of the Westmere's IIRC). The reason I suspect, is they just don't have the volume purchasing power for the MP's that they once did (pricing, probably, but not quantities sufficient enough for early shipments as well).

As per the board work, Foxconn has had access to ES versions of LGA2011, just like any other board maker in order to validate their PCB designs (Foxconn has been the ODM for the MP since 2009 systems). But even once they get the design completed, they still have to validate what's coming off of the assembly lines to be sure there wasn't a mistake between the final prototype (RTM design) and the production systems that roll out the door. This takes some time, particularly if there is a mistake (i.e. wrong part value for the PCB location sorts of things...). Once the assembly line output is verified to be correct, then they just need time to get systems assembled and accumulated to meet the first shipment.

If there's no major problems, the final assembly line validation + initial manufacturing run + shipping takes ~ 13 weeks on average. And this is the case for more than just systems; it's the same for components (assemblies down to discrete parts).

Ukey5
Aug 24, 2011, 09:49 PM
Hello people!

I was thinking of purchasing a MacBook Pro, then again I saw the MacBook Air and it looks quite appealing. These are my options:

1. MacBook Pro 500Gb -$1342
2. MacBook Air 250Gb- $1749 or 128Gb - $1399

It's only for everyday use for University and work. What do you think is a better buy?

blunti
Aug 24, 2011, 10:19 PM
Hello people!

I was thinking of purchasing a MacBook Pro, then again I saw the MacBook Air and it looks quite appealing. These are my options:

1. MacBook Pro 500Gb -$1342
2. MacBook Air 250Gb- $1749 or 128Gb - $1399

It's only for everyday use for University and work. What do you think is a better buy?

this is the Mac Pro section :) but to answer your question; if its for work-related stuff only then grab the air.
keep in mind that the Air does not have a built-in optical drive though.
if you can live without optical drive ( or with external one ) then Air

Ukey5
Aug 26, 2011, 07:43 AM
Thanks 'Blunti' Sorry i just realised that this was the Mac Pro section.

Thank you for your advice, it's much appreciated :)

highdefw
Aug 26, 2011, 10:10 AM
Unless you can go for that 3.33 hex, I would grab one of these new 27" iMacs. They would fit your needs and wants perfectly. And like others have noted, external thunderbolt gfx cards are on the way for even more power.

chrono1081
Aug 28, 2011, 10:50 PM
Maybe the OP doesn't like having to send back a mirror every year because it started turning yellow.

I'm sorry but you obviously don't own one.

Groanan
Aug 28, 2011, 11:28 PM
Maybe the OP doesn't like having to send back a mirror every year because it started turning yellow.

I'm sorry but you obviously don't own one.

I registered for the sole purpose of chiming in on this.

As an avid Mac user from the Mac Classic (1990) till today, I will warn against purchasing an iMac.

1. Mine is the 2008 Fall release, and I bought the extended warranty, went through two graphics cards, and three monitor screens, all from daily use playing video games, surfing the web, and doing homework.

A. My original screen had two stuck pixels (one red one green), and the graphics card made a humming noise when the iMac was tilted forward (the fan on the card was not balanced at the angle).

B. My second screen had even more stuck pixels, and text would burn into it (temporarily, for say a few hours) so that after reading a text document, you could see the outline of the text while watching a movie (flashing the screen black/white did not help).

C. My third screen, the moment they installed it, had two lines of dark pixels (stripes one pixel wide from top to bottom) on the far right side of the screen. The Genius told me to not worry about it and that this sometimes happens and goes away on its own - well mine didn't, and I won't take it back to gamble on where my dead/stuck pixels will be on my next screen.

2. When anything goes wrong on an iMac, you have a rather large, heavy, and fragile chunk of equipment to lug to the Apple store.

3. The high gloss screen requires very careful placement of lights wherever you use it.

4. Because the guts of the computer are in the monitor, and the monitor is near your face, you can hear the graphics card / fan a lot more than you would if you had a desktop unit farther away.

5. I'd wait for the next Mac / Mac Pro offering to be unveiled before buying a Mac Pro system (maybe they will have a smaller less powerful model, but no matter what they put out, it will blow everything being sold now out of the water), if I were in a hurry I'd buy either a fully decked out MacMini and look into an external video card, or buy a MacbookPro and use it with an external monitor from Dell (because of the hook up options / pixel guarantee).


TLDR; if you have troubles with an iMac it is an incredible hassle compared to having troubles with a MacPro, MacMini, or a MacBook Pro.

G-Force
Aug 29, 2011, 05:53 AM
I used to own several iMacs but because of the screen issues I've had and no possibility to upgrade the darn thing at all (graphics, internal storage) I've decided to purchase a Mac Pro.

All I do with my machine is internet browsing, mail, Photoshop and sometimes I play a game. A Mac Pro is overkill for me, but the 4 drive bays, the ability to upgrade the graphics card and the ability of choosing my own display makes this the perfect machine for me.

If you like the Mac Pro, go for it. It's your money, you don't have to justify the purchase to anyone in my opinion.

Neodym
Aug 29, 2011, 06:18 AM
And like others have noted, external thunderbolt gfx cards are on the way for even more power.
I would not hold my breath for that!

So far even the long-announced external Raid-enclosures are only slowly trickling into the market (and at absurdly high prices imo). Plus you'll have a much higher latency with external boxes - might not be an issue with storage, but could very well be an issue with graphics (if you really need more "punch" than originally available in your machine you'll probably also have higher requirements in that area).

Not to mention that Thunderbolt is a new technology, which involves all kinds of potential bugs and shortcomings that have to be ironed out over the first months.

If Thunderbolt will be adopted by the PC world (which probably won't happen before 2012 due to not being available earlier in Intel's common chipsets), it may eventually become an accepted standard and then you'll also see creative solutions like external boxes for graphic cards at an affordable price that are really available for purchase.

Until then i would not consider this a viable alternative for a purchase decision.

yozip
Aug 29, 2011, 07:33 AM
I used to own several iMacs but because of the screen issues I've had and no possibility to upgrade the darn thing at all (graphics, internal storage) I've decided to purchase a Mac Pro.

All I do with my machine is internet browsing, mail, Photoshop and sometimes I play a game. A Mac Pro is overkill for me, but the 4 drive bays, the ability to upgrade the graphics card and the ability of choosing my own display makes this the perfect machine for me.

If you like the Mac Pro, go for it. It's your money, you don't have to justify the purchase to anyone in my opinion.

Good point. Besides, if money is an issue, a Mac Pro in good condition would do the trick. For your use, stick to a quad (Nehalem). The biprocs are WAY overspecced.

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I used to own several iMacs but because of the screen issues I've had and no possibility to upgrade the darn thing at all (graphics, internal storage) I've decided to purchase a Mac Pro.

All I do with my machine is internet browsing, mail, Photoshop and sometimes I play a game. A Mac Pro is overkill for me, but the 4 drive bays, the ability to upgrade the graphics card and the ability of choosing my own display makes this the perfect machine for me.

If you like the Mac Pro, go for it. It's your money, you don't have to justify the purchase to anyone in my opinion.

Good point. Besides, if money is an issue, a used or second hand Mac Pro in good condition would do the trick. For your use, stick to a quad (Nehalem). The biprocs are WAY overspecced.

deconstruct60
Aug 29, 2011, 09:17 AM
The 2010 systems arrived later (~ 13 weeks after Intel's official launch of the Westmere's IIRC). The reason I suspect, is they just don't have the volume purchasing power for the MP's that they once did (pricing, probably, but not quantities sufficient enough for early shipments as well).


Actually lack of volume is a reason they could ship out systems early. Coupled with Intel validating some of the boards in even earlier versions also helped. Frankly, many other vendors probably don't ship early because don't have enough systems to sell on general market (all the systems pushed into the early adopter / early evaluation stream .) Apple seems to like creating lines at their stores for hard to get products. There won't be a physical Mac Pro line but Apple will string people out if there is some free "buzz" advertising in it.

If a vendor is going to ship a high number of Xeon's they can't ship early because Intel won't dribble enough volume to them in the "pre-release" shipments to cover what they need to sell.


The 2010 systems arrived late for two reasons both of which are highly evident. First, Intel didn't really follow up with the 36xx series to replace the 3500 one. At "release" there were plenty of 56xx models to choose from but only one 36xx one. Doing "half" of a Mac Pro line up upgrade would be very un-Apple thing to do. Eventually, they "made do" with speed bumped 3500's in the single package upgrade. ( as expected there was a fair amount of moaning and groaning over that too. )


Second, in early-mid 2010 Apple probably knew the E5's would be late. So they could either take a huge upgrade gap delay ( March-April '10-> Oct-November '11 ) in a new model ( during which all the "Mac Pro's are doomed , blah blah blah" chatter would reign supreme for 3-4 months. ) or they could take a March-April -> July-August hit in 2010 delay and a July-August -> Oct-November hit in 2011. ) delay. Still going to get some of that "doom and gloom" chatter but it won't get as much traction over a extended period of time. There is an old commercial that goes "You can pay me now , or you can pay me later". The shift of the Xeon release schedule from Spring to Fall was coming no matter what. All of the vendors had to choose how to deal with it. Either the "denial and sprinkle diversionary minor upgrades out during the long gap" approach or do a gradual shift. Apple did the gradual shift.



There will likely be some other things ( case rework to better fit some XServe duties) that probably got weaved into the extended delay, but the 6+ month shift in Xeon volume release shipments is the larger driver.


Intel CEO's basically said the partners get some say in the release date.

"... “We have not gone public on the launch date because our server customers are very conservative about putting the dates out. ..."
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Intel-CEO-Paul-Otellini-Says-LGA-2011-Romley-Platform-Is-On-Track-212763.shtml

That means the partners are getting a fair number of chips early so they can dribble these out to field test sites to gather enough info to give Intel the thumbs up. Apple would have had access to more than few E5's many weeks before the release date.... just like all of the other larger system vendors.