MacRumors NEEDS better servers!!!

[Bobak]

honesly i dont visit this site much, but in the past 3 weeks i have seen the forums of this site go down twice.

i think the admins should consider buying some more server power it is clear that what they have at the moment is not good enough.

[edesignuk]

MR just got a server upgrade. If you want to pay for more feel free to paypal Arn the money :rolleyes:

[Blue Velvet]

It seems a little bogged down tonight but at times I've seen everything running smoothly with far more users incl. lurkers.

Strange. :confused:

[Bobak]

if you have a iTMS link i will buy a song using it, ot if there is a ad on this site i will click on it.

if you guys started providing services such as macosx.com then i might donate.

by the way if you got new servers why is the site STILL!!! going down?

[Bobak]

It seems a little bogged down tonight but at times I've seen everything running smoothly with far more users incl. lurkers.

Strange. :confused:

tiger is coming out soon, torrents have been flying around everywhere, and people are posting aboutgetting early copied.

i wonder why there are moe people lurking this site :rolleyes:

[ham_man]

The servers just went down for me, but I don't care. They are up now!!! :p

If you guys offered some sort of subscription I would probably pay for it...

[edesignuk]

lurkers.
My thoughts exactly.

bobx2001 - Quit moaning. MR is not the commercial whore other sites have become. Servers cost money, the bandwidth this place costs money (and it uses a LOT). It's not a simple as have people click a few ads, and bam, a nice new cluster! Your concerns are valid, but you make it sound like it's a piece of cake to put right, when in a little place called reality it's far from it.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Aaah... the irony... just got a "The server is too busy at the moment. Please try again later."-message trying to enter this thread... :D

[edesignuk]

If you guys offered some sort of subscription I would probably pay for it...I believe a new process is in the works ;)

[dotdotdot]

When the site gets hosted on Dual Core PowerMac G5s with 3 GHz with 8 GB RAM, then the site will be faster.

[Bobak]

how about you guys charge for people to have avatars? better than being forced to have 500!!! posts.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Maybe some anti-lurker measures should be considered :)

[Sun Baked]

When the site gets hosted on Dual Core PowerMac G5s with 3 GHz with 8 GB RAM, then the site will be faster.That would really be a couple/few dual core AMD Opteron Servers...

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And bobx2001 don't click on the Google ads to help out, Google is starting to go after sites for click-fraud.

[edesignuk]

Maybe some anti-lurker measures should be considered :)Yup, maybe. Perhaps disabling their ability to use the search. Registered users only. Searching puts a huge load on the server.

[ham_man]

Holy smokes that is alot of people!!!

Hopefully MR can get a new cluster of one or two hundred new Xserves... :p

[Bobak]

Maybe some anti-lurker measures should be considered :)

forcing members to sing up will just mean people stop visiting. or a huge number of idle account will be made. these forums have some great disucssions that people should be allowed to read without singing up.

[arn]

There was an apache problem earlier today.

things should be smoother now.

arn

[Bobak]

Yup, maybe. Perhaps disabling their ability to use the search. Registered users only. Searching puts a huge load on the server.

give people good reason to sing up, dont force them. that is what seperates MR form spymac.

[Bobak]

There was an apache problem earlier today.

things should be smoother now.

arn

that is good to hear :)

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

forcing members to sing up will just mean people stop visiting. or a huge number of idle account will be made. these forums have some great disucssions that people should be allowed to read without singing up.
Didn't mean to exclude them totally, but to cut them off from some features, like edesignuk suggested with the search-function and/or maybe limit/cut off their access to certain forums...

[rainman::|:|]

thanks for updating us arn, i did have a lot of connectivity probs earlier today. must say i do like the idea of limiting the search to reg users only... for whatever my vote counts :)

[Bobak]

or how about free weekly mac os x tips emailed to all MR members. that would make me want to sign up if i was not a member.

[arn]

a little more info...

Apache was running very slowly earlier today when I posted the link into the Mac OS X forums. The load wasn't actually very high on the server at the time. I think I narrowed down the problem to an oversized log file.

After that, I had to restart apache... and it caused some connection issues on the forum.

Right now, everything seems to be running smoothly with >1000 people on the forums. Let me notice if you have more problems... but for now, I think we're ok.

arn

[Blue Velvet]

or how about free weekly mac os x tips emailed to all MR members. that would make me want to sign up if i was not a member.

I don't think so. :rolleyes:

How about contributing because it's a great site and you want to see it get even better?

Honestly, I'll be really interested when the contributor scheme is resurrected, just exactly how many people who said they were going to pay up actually do...

[edesignuk]

Didn't mean to exclude them totally, but to cut them off from some features, like edesignuk suggested with the search-function and/or maybe limit/cut off their access to certain forums...
Exactly. Still full access to browse the forums, just disable the search. I've seen quite a few other sites do it. Arguably searches put the heaviest load on forum software & their servers. Stop all the passers by from searching *could* help significantly, whilst at the same time allowing them full access to browse everything.

[Bobak]

i would donate if it ment i could get a avatar.

[Sun Baked]

or how about free weekly mac os x tips emailed to all MR members. that would make me want to sign up if i was not a member.And the ISP would freeze arns account when the mac os x tips that get emailed out are reported as spam, which would end up happening.

So those free tips would end up taking everything down.

arn basically cannot do any mass e-mailing, even if he specifically got everybody's permission -- some of it will still get trapped by the automated spamcops, resulting in fighting with the ISP every time a mass mailing goes out.

[Bobak]

And the ISP would freeze arns account when the mac os x tips that get emailed out are reported as spam, which would end up happening.

So those free tips would end up taking everything down.

arn basically cannot do any mass e-mailing, even if he specifically got everybody's permission -- some of it will still get trapped by the automated spamcops, resulting in fighting with the ISP every time a mass mailing goes out.

good point, maybe MR should trail the idea of blocking out the search fuction to non-members for a bit a see what difference it makes.

i still think such a thing would lead to loads of idle accounts.

[edesignuk]

i still think such a thing would lead to loads of idle accounts.Maybe, maybe not. The thing would be to see if people actually are seriously looking for something, in which case they will sign up, or if really they are just passing through, and can't actually be bothered to take the time to sign up.

Also, idle accounts don't take up server resources anything like thousands of pointless searches do ;)

Course, they can still use MRoogle (http://tinyurl.com/azssc) :D

[ham_man]

Course, they can still use MRoogle (http://tinyurl.com/azssc) :D

Let Google do the work...:p

arn should change the search link to that URL... :rolleyes:

[Bobak]

MRgoogle looks nice. but it is not as good advance as the VB search.

maybe you should replace the search on the top right with MRgoogle.

[edesignuk]

MRgoogle looks nice. but it is not as good advance as the VB search.

maybe you should replace the search on the top right with MRgoogle.
MRoogle is just something I put together today. It some ways it's better, in some ways it's not. It's better because it's powered by Google, which is infinitely better than vBulletins search abilities, but, it is not up to date. MRoogle will only be able to search what it knows is there from the googlebots last crawl of MR. This is fairly up to date, but not 100%.

MRoogle won't be able to find this thread yet for example, the built-in vBulletin search will.

[arn]

Notice

Rebuilding Apache NOW. May cause downtime.

arn

[Lacero]

There was an apache problem earlier today.My great-great-great grandfather had the same problem.

[ravenvii]

Bring back the Contributors program and I'll pony up like I said a few times before.

Just do NOT commercialize MR like SpyMac did... just look at www.spymac.com for where this could lead! I wouldn't give any money if you guys start to commercialize features. I'll just go and find another Mac discussion forum, which while sad, is what you deserve if you go commercial.

[arn]

apache update done. things are smooth at the moment...

we'll see on Tuesday when new hardware comes out what happens to the servers... ;)

arn

[Earendil]

Exactly. Still full access to browse the forums, just disable the search. I've seen quite a few other sites do it. Arguably searches put the heaviest load on forum software & their servers. Stop all the passers by from searching *could* help significantly, whilst at the same time allowing them full access to browse everything.


Umm... it sounds good on paper... but are you REALLY suggesting we discourage the newbies from searching the forums, and instead just posting a question? :rolleyes:

Come on, think of something better :o

~Tyler

[edesignuk]

Umm... it sounds good on paper... but are you REALLY suggesting we discourage the newbies from searching the forums, and instead just posting a question? :rolleyes:
Think about it, for them to post a question they'd have to register, and if they're registered then they can....;)

[Lacero]

Sorry, that makes absolutely no sense. What are you trying to accomplish? Reduce eyeballs to MR or increase membership by forcing registration? I mean if the main goal is to get people to visit MR, then the way it is set up now is perfect. If your goal was just to increase membership, you'll neglect a large portion of the silent, but active users of MR.

[edesignuk]

Sorry, that makes absolutely no sense. What are you trying to accomplish? Reduce eyeballs to MR or increase membership by forcing registration? I mean if the main goal is to get people to visit MR, then the way it is set up now is perfect. If your goal was just to increase membership, you'll neglect a large portion of the silent, but active users of MR.
Did you just skip over everything that has been said!? :rolleyes: My "goal" was to reduce server load, a lot of which I would imagine to be brought on by lurkers searching.

It's just an idea anyway, an idea that will probably never happen. Calm down.

[Earendil]

Think about it, for them to post a question they'd have to register, and if they're registered then they can....;)

Well mark me stupid. I didn't know you had to be a member to post ;)

*cough*

~Tyler

[solvs]

This just being recreational, when the servers are running a bit slow or go down for awhile, it is not the end of the world for me.

I just figured it was the upgrade or something. :shrugs: No biggie.

[MacNut]

Sorry, that makes absolutely no sense. What are you trying to accomplish? Reduce eyeballs to MR or increase membership by forcing registration? I mean if the main goal is to get people to visit MR, then the way it is set up now is perfect. If your goal was just to increase membership, you'll neglect a large portion of the silent, but active users of MR.If the servers are down then nobodies eyeballs get to see MR. :rolleyes:

edit they are down again.

[Sun Baked]

Google is also a catch-22 -- it's nice for your site to show up in Google searches, but those Googlebots take their toll on bandwidth.

[dotdotdot]

I have an idea...

A person needs to register to view images posted on MR.

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edesign, MRoogle is cool! lol

[dornoforpyros]

honesly i dont visit this site much, but in the past 3 weeks i have seen the forums of this site go down twice.

i think the admins should consider buying some more server power it is clear that what they have at the moment is not good enough.

you buying them???

[MacNut]

Ok it's 1:30 am on the east coast and the site is moving at a snails pace. I thought Sunday nights were supposed to be quite.

[840quadra]

Ok it's 1:30 am on the east coast and the site is moving at a snails pace. I thought Sunday nights were supposed to be quite.

eh,

It comes and it goes.. I know it isn't my connection because I am sitting on an OC12 :)

Slow or fast, the site is great, and this is only the 2nd time I have seen the site slow down.

[Platform]

I have an idea...

A person needs to register to view images posted on MR.

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edesign, MRoogle is cool! lol

Maby.........

Yes good job edesign ;) ............there needs to be some sort of a restriction for non-members, since they use a lot of bandwith....and the contribution is not a bad idea to get up again even if only a handful of people contribute ;)

[windowsblowsass]

BRING BACK THE MUG! ;)

[Rod Rod]

Exactly. Still full access to browse the forums, just disable the search. I've seen quite a few other sites do it. Arguably searches put the heaviest load on forum software & their servers. Stop all the passers by from searching *could* help significantly, whilst at the same time allowing them full access to browse everything.
That idea could have another positive outcome: a reduction in trolling . . . at least it would stop the casual troll (and not the 80 hours a week in the basement troll).

[mad jew]

I think any of these major changes for newbies has got to take into account the purposes of Macrumors as a site. Sure, a large element of this forum is for Mac fans to get together and talk about similar interests, but there's also the helpful aspect. Newbies come along, half the time intimidated enough by the internet, let alone the prospect of switching, to ask for our help/opinions and it's not necessarily a good idea for this site (and to a lesser extent, our favourite computer brand) to maintain it's helpful and user-friendly status. Afterall, we would love these people to be able to join in the many benefits of being Mac users as quickly and as seamlessly as possible.

I have no idea what state the servers are in, although they sound fine from what Arn's been saying, but I'm fully aware that site's like this are not free. I really appreciate the work that the moderators and Arn put into this site, I think it's great and my post count probably comes close to proving this, but if any major changes are to be considered, we must firstly sort out the site's priorities. Is the site here to help switchers or is it here to bring together Mac users? Thankfully though, from what I've been reading here, this won't be necessary. :)

[840quadra]

Maby.........

Yes good job edesign ;) ............there needs to be some sort of a restriction for non-members, since they use a lot of bandwith....and the contribution is not a bad idea to get up again even if only a handful of people contribute ;)

I sent an ddress on this sitenever got a reply.. I am not looking for "status or an "avatar" I have a freelance site, and can appreciate the costs involved in keeping it maintained and operational!!

Someone please respond to my Email and give me the paypall address to send money.

Even if it sits in the account for a year and is used later, I would love to contribute!!

[Bobak]

talking about searching putting a load in the server, pressing the "new posts" buttons counts as a search i assume maybe if the site had a little new post box on bottom of the page or somthing it would save people form doing the search possibly decreasing server load.

[XIII]

I believe a new process is in the works ;)

Cool. Depending on the cost and added bonuses, I would pay for membership here..

[Knox]

talking about searching putting a load in the server, pressing the "new posts" buttons counts as a search i assume maybe if the site had a little new post box on bottom of the page or somthing it would save people form doing the search possibly decreasing server load.

Not all searches are equally hard on the server however. The main load will be generated from word searches, rather than searches for posts based on other criteria (date, new posts, user, replies) which the server can look for relatively easily.

I'm not familiar with vB 3, but I would be surprised if the basics were different from vB 2. To allow searching for text vBulletin keeps a list of what words are used in what posts. This part of the database can be massive (millions of rows) and searching through it does tax the server quite a bit.

[ravenvii]

The server was

http://www.angelfire.com/il2/mwhb/images/cslbtable.gif

just now... Wondering what's the surge was about? Is there a WWDC today or something? :rolleyes:

[MoparShaha]

Yeah, what's up with all the guests today? I can't even browse the forums it's so bad. I guess everyone is reading about Tiger, but the volume of people just seems ridiculously high.

[arn]

you guys are just toying with me now... :)

let me see about brining another server online...

arn

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

you guys are just toying with me now... :)

let me see about brining another server online...

arnGood, the last two hours has been dreadful, with numerous double-posts and MANY "The server is too busy at the moment. Please try again later."-messages... :(

[Bobak]

at the moment the site is being strange, sometimes it is being really slow but recently pages have started to load much faster. i hope it stays like this :)

[MacNut]

Im experiencing major lag at the moment. :(

[DeSnousa]

Ive been getting no where on this site this morning. Oh well lucky its a great site so i tolerate it ;)

[ravenvii]

Working fine right now, for what it's worth...

Eh, I'm sure I'll jinx it and the server'll suffer a chokeslam and piledriver and a bomb drop all at once.

BTW, I got a thought... why not forbid avatars to be hosted on the server? Require them to be hosted remotely? Would that save on bandwidth and server load?

[feakbeak]

I don't think so. :rolleyes:

How about contributing because it's a great site and you want to see it get even better?

Honestly, I'll be really interested when the contributor scheme is resurrected, just exactly how many people who said they were going to pay up actually do...When will a contribution drive be held again? I would seriously consider donating some money. This is one of my favorite sites on the net. I've been a lurker for a couple of years and recently started posting a bit more.

Do you get a new rank or anything? Would I be able to have an avatar for contributing? On second thought, I don't think I want the avatar that way. I'm halfway towards earning it with my post count anyway - gives me something to look forward to.

[Lacero]

I bet this site is running on PC hardware.

[sorryiwasdreami]

I've been getting the "server too busy" error all day.

[ravenvii]

I bet this site is running on PC hardware.

Yes it is, mentioned elsewhere. Not necessarily a bad thing, PCs can make decent servers, and Xserves are just too expensive.

[PlaceofDis]

Working fine right now, for what it's worth...

Eh, I'm sure I'll jinx it and the server'll suffer a chokeslam and piledriver and a bomb drop all at once.

BTW, I got a thought... why not forbid avatars to be hosted on the server? Require them to be hosted remotely? Would that save on bandwidth and server load?

what about those of us who have no place to host our 'tars though? this is why the 'tar requirements are so strict and small as it is, if anything there should be an attachment limit put on the users....

[jeremy.king]

Is it just me, or does anyone suspect that vBulletin may be to blame (as least in part). Searches shouldn't take a toll if properly designed and coded (aka cacheing and efficient indexing) - of course thats just one example - there are probably many more areas that could be improved for scalability.

[Lacero]

Who thinks we should get rid of avatars?

I'm currently viewing MR with avatars and signatures turned off, and let me tell you, pages load and display much, much faster in Safari now and there's less visual clutter from all those signatures.

I also think attachments should go to only donators.

[Mr. Anderson]

Who thinks we should get rid of avatars?

I'm currently viewing MR with avatars and signatures turned off, and let me tell you, pages load and display much, much faster in Safari now and there's less visual clutter from all those signatures.

I also think attachments should go to only donators.

that might be a bit extreme and cause a bit of a riot in some places

i like sigs off, but not avatars - its easy to visually recognize who's posting

and if we get new hardware tomorrow, the servers are going to groan some more...

D

[feakbeak]

Who thinks we should get rid of avatars?

I'm currently viewing MR with avatars and signatures turned off, and let me tell you, pages load and display much, much faster in Safari now and there's less visual clutter from all those signatures.

I also think attachments should go to only donators.I like the avatars and signatures. It adds character and allows people to spice up their gimmicks. Besides, as you mention each user has the option of turning them off if they do not like them.

[PlaceofDis]

Who thinks we should get rid of avatars?

I'm currently viewing MR with avatars and signatures turned off, and let me tell you, pages load and display much, much faster in Safari now and there's less visual clutter from all those signatures.

I also think attachments should go to only donators.

i think 'tars are good, i dont see any problems with them really, they are helpful for me at least in identifying users

i think there should just be an attachment limit per user so that there are not long old attachements that are left over, they could then be deleted, giveing this to only pait members would hurt the community, threads like the monthly desktop ones we have wouldnt happen....there should just a a cap on how much you can have uploaded at any given time

edit: as an incentive to contribute why not have a higher limit for the paid users?

this is just my .002

[arn]

avatars and sigs aren't a big problem..

it's simply a load issue.

Today was popular because lots of people wanted to read about Tiger. Tomorrow will likely be worse since everyone will want to read about the new computers released. ;)

Beyond that... it's a server issue. 1200 simultaneous users on the forums is a fair amount of traffic.

I'm looking into splitting the forums into two servers.

arn

[SteveC]

Today was popular because lots of people wanted to read about Tiger. Tomorrow will likely be worse since everyone will want to read about the new computers released. ;)
Wow. The "MacRumors god" has spoken. Tomorrow it is. ;) Woo, haha :)

[James Craner]

I would just like to add my thoughts here, to my mind this is one (if not the) most active forum groups of all the main rumor sites, which I guess explains the load issue.

I can remember back to when I first started considering switching. I used this site for help and info before I purchased my first Mac. Like many people I lurked for a while before registering, but I have been a member here for a couple of years, not a frequent poster but have almost made it to 500 posts.

I honestly believe that the formula that we have really works and I don't think we should mess with it.

Arn appears to think that the server problems are fixed, so hopefully we don't want to place restrictions on possible future members.

just my thoughts anyway... Keep up the good work Arn, hopefully I will be buying my 4th Mac tomorrow :)

[Knox]

Is it just me, or does anyone suspect that vBulletin may be to blame (as least in part). Searches shouldn't take a toll if properly designed and coded (aka cacheing and efficient indexing) - of course thats just one example - there are probably many more areas that could be improved for scalability.

Not just you :) I don't have access to vB3, but based on vB2 there are a huge amount of queries that could be cached - user permissions, forum settings, user info etc. The problem is just that it's a one-size-fits-all solution, and so can't take advantage of things which could be run on dedicated servers (eg memcached for caching and Xapian for searching).

I'd really like to develop the forum software I wrote for one of my own sites to cope with some of these load issues, but too big a project for me at the moment.

[arn]

Arn appears to think that the server problems are fixed, so hopefully we don't want to place restrictions on possible future members.


Thanks for your thoughts James. I actually think the server can be fixed... but is not fixed at the moment.

arn

[eva01]

Do you actually own the servers and colo them or do you go through for examplel, theplanet.com and rent them?

and yes i have found vB to be a bit server strenuous on searches (i own my own vB license)

[arn]

Do you actually own the servers and colo them or do you go through for examplel, theplanet.com and rent them?

and yes i have found vB to be a bit server strenuous on searches (i own my own vB license)

they are rented.

arn

[840quadra]

Arn,

Let us know when we can make donations to the site again!!

I don't want to feel guilty for sucking bandwidth anymore ;)

[dvdiva]

I just can't believe how many people are on at one time on this board. I go to other boards and it's like a ghost town by comparison or they don't even want to talk about tiger or anything else until long after it's out.

[trainguy77]

Just so you know i just was locked out from the forums, because of server lag.

[angelneo]

I don't want to feel guilty for sucking bandwidth anymore ;)
Grasp! so you are the one! :D

Bring out the torches and pitchfork!

[rickvanr]

how about you guys charge for people to have avatars? better than being forced to have 500!!! posts.
I really don't like that idea. It took me, and I'm sure others along time to get to 500 posts, and when I did get there, having my own avatar made me feel good, because I earned it with for the most part well thought out posts. If you contribute you will be rewarded with an avatar eventually. It's also a level of distinction along side your number (ie., 6502, 68040)

[MacNut]

Things seem a lot better today with all the traffic, 1500 people and no slow downs.....yet :)

[arn]

Things seem a lot better today with all the traffic, 1500 people and no slow downs.....yet :)

we're still having intermittent problems...

still working on it...

arn

[MacNut]

we're still having intermittent problems...

still working on it...

arnIt is a lot better then its been over the past few days so I give a good ole salute to Arn.

[Lord Blackadder]

We run an ancient ATM network where I work, and internet access is so bad nowadays I can't tell which end the slowness comes from.

I'd definitely be interested in contributing when the time comes...MR has grown a lot in the past year and growth means more strain on the hardware.

[leftbanke7]

I'm willing to pony up my old Beige G3 for the cause...lol.

[wrc fan]

we're still having intermittent problems...

still working on it...

arn

I was just wondering if you had something like mmcache installed, and were using the mysql query cache to help speed up database queries? I know it's helped a lot on the sites I've worked on to have those set up.

[longofest]

I'm willing to pony up my old Beige G3 for the cause...lol.

Thats awesome man! We'll be able to add approximately 10 more simultaneous users! WOW!

Anyways, Arn... you might have luck with your php running on one server and the database running on another (web server / database server setup). Then again, I'm sure you've already thought about all this stuff, and all of us bringing up stupid suggestions is just irritating.

Well, at least I'm not a hippocrit. I pay my dues. Its a great site, and I love bein' a member/demi-God of it. :)

[arn]

I was just wondering if you had something like mmcache installed, and were using the mysql query cache to help speed up database queries? I know it's helped a lot on the sites I've worked on to have those set up.

I do have mysql cache on. I don't have mmcache installed. I used to have phpa installed but that fell by the wayside at some point. I think my main issue is not enough ram and the need for faster HDs.

MacRumors used to run on one server. It was then split into one for the main site (macrumors.com) and one for the forums (forums.macrumors.com).

At this point, the forums are going to have to split over two servers. One for vbulletin and one dedicated for mysql. It's possible that the one server could handle both vbulletin and macrumors.com, but for growth purposes, I'll prob keep it on 3 servers.

arn

[wrc fan]

Man, how much are you spending on all this, if you're going to go to 3 servers?!?! That's crazy! I would think, though, since you say the problem is only ram and HDs, that one server would be perfectly fine for vbulletin and macrumors.com, specially if you re-enable phpa. And then get a nice quick db server. If you have to, you could always seperate them at a later time. (I'm just thinking about trying to keep the costs down. :) )

[leftbanke7]

Just out of curiosity, what cost benefits does one get from renting servers rather than buying them? I am completely oblivious to all things concerning servers and the like so that's why I ask.

[Knox]

Just out of curiosity, what cost benefits does one get from renting servers rather than buying them? I am completely oblivious to all things concerning servers and the like so that's why I ask.

The main advantage is the initial cost outlay, especially for powerful servers. You could be paying $3000 to buy the server outright, then pay monthly colocation fees, or just pay a higher monthly fee with no/little setup costs. Another advantage is that if anything breaks with the hardware, it is replaced free of charge.

The disadvantages are that you pay monthly for everything, so for example, instead of buying a 512MB dimm for $50 you will pay $20 extra every month. Also, if you are buying it you have full control over the specification, manufacturer and operating system, rather than picking from a set choice of configurations.

[Bobak]

macrumors might have bad servers, but at least this site does not get hacked by sapmmers and have user passwords that are not even encrypted stolen by some jack asses

http://www.spymac.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=173224

http://www.spymac.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=173614

[wrc fan]

hmmm... I saw on that thread that it says non-registered users can't search. I guess that idea was implemented, as I just logged out and couldn't search.