Tiger on a Mini?

[wattsin]

Does anyone have it? How does it preform?

[Trout74]

Bump!

im curious as well,

I did ask the guy at the genious bar, and he said it would run jsut fine, and would run on any previous mac.

trout

[rickvanr]

I have a mini, but haven't installed it yet. But, it does run very well on my powerbook, which has weaker specs then the mini. Also it runs faster on a B&W G3 then Panther did, if that helps at all.

[crap freakboy]

Damn I so want Tiger now, I'd rather have a new PM with it installed though.
Damn this sawtooth, though saying that it still does the business considering how long in the tooth it is.

[unfaded]

Tiger runs fantastically on my eMac with similar specs to your mini. Get it :) Although if you plan on using dashboard, more RAM helps. I upped to a gig with Tiger, and it runs a LOT better.

Then again, Panther probably would have seen the same benefit.

[dotdotdot]

There won't be any Mini revisions, or at least there SHOULDN'T be, as it is so new. But, if there is, the only thing they would really upgrade is the Video Memory to 64 MB.

Tiger should perform 95% on the Mini, the 5% being there won't be so much eye-candy with the mini or almost any G4 Mac (unless upgraded).

[wattsin]

Thanks guys, i acutally haven't bought the Mini yet... That really is the only thing that concerns me... 32meg video card... I can up the ram to a gig no problem.

The mini is 107 days old... another 3 months might be a good estimate for a updated version. I dunno if I can wait though

[geese]

I tried to install a tiger inside my Mini. But I decided not to as it would mess the seats up and make the Mini rubbish to drive.

[vouder17]

I tried to install a tiger inside my Mini. But I decided not to as it would mess the seats up and make the Mini rubbish to drive.

hardi har.... :D :D

[jayscheuerle]

It will run fine, quicker than Panther, but some of the Core Image/Video affects (such as the ripple effect in Spotlight) will be disabled because its video card isn't supported.

[rtdgoldfish]

I've got it running on my 1.42gHz Mini with 512MB RAM and it is great. No ripples in Dashboard but I could really care less about that. That seems to be the only thing that it is missing. Spotlight is great. Can find anything on both the Mini's internal drive and my external Lacie 160gig. The new Safari is very fast and the built in RSS viewer is nice as well. I really like the screen saver that uses the RSS feeds. Looks just like the video that was posted a few weeks back.

Boot time seems about the same as Panther however it goes to sleep and comes back much quicker than before. Click the mouse and less than a second later, there is the desktop. BitTorrent client doesn't work but that was reported earlier as being an app that Tiger "breaks".

Otherwise, no problems at all. I did a clean install and then reinstalled iLife '05 from the DVD that came with the Mini. Didn't take too long to get all my other apps back. I DLed all the shareware/open source installers to my Lacie before I upgraded so I had everything in one place. Just finishing up the WoW update now.

Any other questions, feel free to post or PM me.

[wattsin]

I think im going to wait until Rev B of the mini...

Really the only thing stoping me is the damned video card...

Do you guys think the next Rev will have a better video card? Or are they going to stick with the 9200

:(

[noel4r]

No ripples on the dashboard? Hmmm, now I have to think twice before purchasing the mini. I know it's just eye candy but that's part of what makes it a Mac and also I wanna show off to my Windows friends. All new hardware revisions from now on "MUST" support Core Image. I guess I'm in for a wait.

[wattsin]

Ripples is not why im waiting... I don't want a under powered video card in the long run... If I buy a new computer I would think it should support the lastest OS fully...

One of the biggest improvements in Tiger is the way in handles video...

"That brings up perhaps the biggest caveat about Quartz 2D Extreme. Like Quartz Extreme before it, Quartz 2D Extreme is not supported by all video cards. It requires an ATI Radeon 9600 or NVIDIA GeForce FX or better"

http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/macosx-10.4.ars/13
http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/macosx-10.4.ars/14

[wide]

Thanks guys, i acutally haven't bought the Mini yet... That really is the only thing that concerns me... 32meg video card... I can up the ram to a gig no problem.

The mini is 107 days old... another 3 months might be a good estimate for a updated version. I dunno if I can wait though

I don't think Apple is in a rush to update the mini. Tiger will run very well, too, you just won't get the benefit of Core Image. I would expect a new mini in August at the earliest, in time for the off-to-school rush

[Etrain]

No ripples on the dashboard? Hmmm, now I have to think twice before purchasing the mini.

Wow. 1 feature won't work fully out of 200 new ones. Wow. :rolleyes:

I'm still buying. :D

[jeremy.king]

Just returned from the Apple Store event at Mayfair mall (waited almost an hour). Got to say that Tiger ran beautifully on a 1.42 mini with 512MB connected to a 20" display.

F the ripples man...no need to wait.

[pinto32]

I was playing with iPhoto, iMovie, and Photoshop Elements 3 on a 1.42gHz mini at the Apple Store today, and it was doing just fine....better than I expected actually, due to what I had heard about the mini's hard drive holdups.

[Chip NoVaMac]

There won't be any Mini revisions, or at least there SHOULDN'T be, as it is so new. But, if there is, the only thing they would really upgrade is the Video Memory to 64 MB.

Tiger should perform 95% on the Mini, the 5% being there won't be so much eye-candy with the mini or almost any G4 Mac (unless upgraded).

Well lets hope you are wrong. I think it could be a consumer nightmare if the mini doesn't get an upgrade to the video card in order to take advantage of Core Image.

Also the eye candy is important to the entry level consumer. Apple is trying to compete with some name brand boxes that have 3ghz P4's, DL DVD, 200gb HDD, 512mb RAM at the $700 level.

IMO the mini needs to break the mold of 6 to 9 months between updates.

[MmmPancakes]

I JUST installed Tiger on my Mac-Min 1.25 512 MB...no ripple effects, but everything else seems to work perfect. Ran a little slow the first 30 mins or so due to indexing for spotlight, but other than that, everything is fine, so far.

[Tuned MP5T]

Install Tiger today and the Mac mini handles it perfectly. Only thing is that I don't have iLife.:(

[Platform]

There won't be any Mini revisions, or at least there SHOULDN'T be, as it is so new. But, if there is, the only thing they would really upgrade is the Video Memory to 64 MB.

Tiger should perform 95% on the Mini, the 5% being there won't be so much eye-candy with the mini or almost any G4 Mac (unless upgraded).

Well the last rev of iMac G4's will do core-image ;)

[cwedl]

Install Tiger today and the Mac mini handles it perfectly. Only thing is that I don't have iLife.:(

Use the disk that came with you Mac Mini, My disc works fine, I'm using iLife with Tiger on my Mac Mini now.

[minimax]

IMO the mini needs to break the mold of 6 to 9 months between updates.

I've heard more people expressing this wish, but if you take a step back, and think about it, more frequent updates have to mean:
a. the updates will be smaller. As updates for other macs arent spectacular either this doesnt look like a viable option for Apple
b. the mac mini will get faster compared to the other macs. Now, how likely is that? Dream on people...

[jsw]

Wow. 1 feature won't work fully out of 200 new ones. Wow. :rolleyes:
More like a small part of one of the features. I spent half an hour on a Tigerized mini, and the ripple was the only feature I didn't see supported. Every other Tiger feature I even vaguely cared about worked. FWIW, the same issue exists with the iBooks. True, it's a cool demo thing, but, really, not all that big of a deal.

[Tuned MP5T]

Use the disk that came with you Mac Mini, My disc works fine, I'm using iLife with Tiger on my Mac Mini now.Thanks. I never realized that there was option to just load iLife.

[csubear]

Well the last rev of iMac G4's will do core-image ;)
Thats what i was thinking, they had a 5200 right?

[tex210]

Quicktime 7 performance on the mini?

[dotdotdot]

Quicktime 7 performance on the mini?

There are threads about this already, but performance is just like QuickTime 6.5 on a Mini.

Until you try H.264 or HD content.

It is only going to work well on a PowerMac G5 - yes, not even an iMac G5. It is choppy on a mini and all G4s (PowerBook is better a little)

[nataku]

correct me if im wrong... core-image can be enabled in powerbooks with mobility radeon 9700 on them right? so if it can... the ripple eye-candy can be done right? :)

[matticus008]

correct me if im wrong... core-image can be enabled in powerbooks with mobility radeon 9700 on them right? so if it can... the ripple eye-candy can be done right? :)
Works fine on the PowerBooks. What does NOT work fine on the PowerBooks, though, is H.264 video. It gets about 15fps for 720p video. They weren't kidding when they said that H.264 needs a PowerMac G5.

[aswitcher]

Works fine on the PowerBooks. What does NOT work fine on the PowerBooks, though, is H.264 video. It gets about 15fps for 720p video. They weren't kidding when they said that H.264 needs a PowerMac G5.


Yeah. Shame really. I am hoping they do some more with smaller sized video images that use H264 to look clearer...

[MacSA]

Wow. 1 feature won't work fully out of 200 new ones. Wow. :rolleyes:

I'm still buying. :D

Yes, it's one of 200 or so features, but it's a feature that's been heavily promoted and discussed no end, and as it's name suggests, it's a "core" part of Tiger. I think people underestimate how important this feature could become in the future - and I for one would be reluctant to buy a Mac that dosnt make full use of it.

[ravenvii]

Yeah... I do really want a PowerMac to take full advantage of Tiger... But I've only gotten the mini two months ago, and I realistically don't REALLY need all the features right now.

Therefore I've put myself in a straitjacket. For my own good, understand.

*struggles*

[joey4127]

I'v had Tiger on my Mini since friday and no problems at all. Everything seems to work great and fast :D

[7on]

Works fine on the PowerBooks. What does NOT work fine on the PowerBooks, though, is H.264 video. It gets about 15fps for 720p video. They weren't kidding when they said that H.264 needs a PowerMac G5.

HD .h264 requires a G5. .h264 should work on anything including cellphones

[Platform]

Thats what i was thinking, they had a 5200 right?

Yup.......Ultra version ;)

[matticus008]

HD .h264 requires a G5. .h264 should work on anything including cellphones

Yeah, but we've no proof of that yet. The only mass-distributed H.264 content is HD right now. And 720p is clearly HD.

[kgarner]

Yeah, but we've no proof of that yet. The only mass-distributed H.264 content is HD right now. And 720p is clearly HD.
I rendered out a movie I made for my digital cinema class in both h.264 and mpeg4 (on my mini) and they both run fine. h.264 is noticeably higher in quality when they were both compressed to the same filesize and filesize was dramatically smaller when they were equal in quality.

I will be posting the identical filesize samples to my website when I get home (check later tonight or tomorrow) if you care to look at them. They all run flawlessly on my mini and I even ran the HD content from Apple's site. There were dropped frames, but at least the audio kept up so you didn't really notice it.

FYI, iMovie will export H.264 just fine if you want to run your own experiments. This was done on my mini still running Panther.

[chillywilly]

Well lets hope you are wrong. I think it could be a consumer nightmare if the mini doesn't get an upgrade to the video card in order to take advantage of Core Image.
I agree. An update of some sort to take advantage of a cool feature would be smart on Apple's part.

[matticus008]

I rendered out a movie I made for my digital cinema class in both h.264 and mpeg4 (on my mini) and they both run fine. h.264 is noticeably higher in quality when they were both compressed to the same filesize and filesize was dramatically smaller when they were equal in quality.

I will be posting the identical filesize samples to my website when I get home (check later tonight or tomorrow) if you care to look at them. They all run flawlessly on my mini and I even ran the HD content from Apple's site. There were dropped frames, but at least the audio kept up so you didn't really notice it.

FYI, iMovie will export H.264 just fine if you want to run your own experiments. This was done on my mini still running Panther.

This is great news! About the non-HD, that is. I'll have to try an export from iMovie and see what kind of performance I can get.

The HD samples will run on any Mac with QT7, but it stutters a lot and drops more frames than is acceptable (frames dropped > 0). It gets up to 14-18 fps on G4 systems. It's also a surefire way to turn a PowerBook into a hotplate. It's good that they've adapted the audio to keep up (mostly), but that's not real playback. You do need a G5 PowerMac for that (other posters have said that the iMac doesn't even quite keep up, but I can't confirm or deny this). It's the nature of the codec to require copious processing power at high definition, and this not going to change significantly in the future. What will change (hopefully) is that Apple's hardware will catch up.

[kgarner]

I rendered out a movie I made for my digital cinema class in both h.264 and mpeg4 (on my mini) and they both run fine. h.264 is noticeably higher in quality when they were both compressed to the same filesize and filesize was dramatically smaller when they were equal in quality.

I will be posting the identical filesize samples to my website when I get home (check later tonight or tomorrow) if you care to look at them. They all run flawlessly on my mini and I even ran the HD content from Apple's site. There were dropped frames, but at least the audio kept up so you didn't really notice it.

FYI, iMovie will export H.264 just fine if you want to run your own experiments. This was done on my mini still running Panther.
In case anyone still cares. I uploaded the movies to my website last night if you want to take a look. http://digitalsandbox.us

[jayscheuerle]

In case anyone still cares. I uploaded the movies to my website last night if you want to take a look. http://digitalsandbox.us

This cracked me up.. You go boy.. (links didn't work for me)

[kgarner]

links didn't work for me
My bad, I tested the links last night, but I guess it was a temporary connection. They should be fixed now.