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Yaboze
Sep 28, 2011, 10:29 PM
iPod Classic and Shuffle, can't edit title... :(

http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/28/tech/mobile/ipod-discontinued-rumor/index.html?hpt=hp_t2



PerplexShyt
Sep 29, 2011, 08:58 AM
makes sense if you think about it.

classic has no:
flash storage
touchscreen functionality

shuffle has no:
screen
touchscreen functionality

since the new nano is small as the shuffle, and the touch's are reaching the capacity of the classic's. Why keep them on at all?

Goratrix
Sep 29, 2011, 12:42 PM
I don't care for the Shuffle, as that one has tons of alternatives from other manufacturers, but the Classic? ******* you Apple. I have 19000 songs on mine, docked it serves as a base of my home stereo, I can take it with me anywhere I travel, I can carry it in my jacket... I don't care for anything but music, and there are no alternatives in this capacity. I hope some other company fills this gap as I will never buy an Apple product again if they do this.

steve2112
Sep 29, 2011, 01:02 PM
makes sense if you think about it.

classic has no:
flash storage
touchscreen functionality

shuffle has no:
screen
touchscreen functionality

since the new nano is small as the shuffle, and the touch's are reaching the capacity of the classic's. Why keep them on at all?

I agree on the Shuffle. The current Nano is about the same size as the Shuffle and offers much more. I strongly disagree about the Classic, though. The largest Touch is 64GB, while the Classic is 160GB. It's not even close. And yes, there are people who use that much space. Personally, I'm in between. I don't use all 160GB on my Classic, but it is nice to have. I like having my entire collection in one place. Who needs playlists when I have everything loaded?

Sadly, though, I think they will be killed because they don't have iOS, touch, and all that. I will be very sad when that happens. I have a phone for apps, internet, and video use, and I use my iPod for its original purpose: music (and podcasts for me). I actually bought a first gen Touch, and hardly ever used it. I thought I could live with only having part of my collection available, but I would often find myself wanting to listen to something that wasn't loaded. Even if they were to release a 128GB Touch (which I doubt), it would be terribly expensive.

Rick America
Sep 29, 2011, 03:16 PM
shuffle has no:
screen
touchscreen functionality

This is exactly why I would like to see one of them (preferably the shuffle) remain --- no touchscreen. If you use your iPod in the car, you need to be able to navigate it by "feel" --- skip ahead, stop/pause it, start it, etc. It is very hard to do this on the Touch and almost impossible on the current/new Nano. When exercising (especially running) being able to switch around by "feel" only is nice as well.

I think something "physical" for music storage up to 16GB would fill the gap nicely --- as would two models of Nano: one with the current Touch screen and one with the traditional Shuffle-like wheel. I think by completely rejecting any kind of physical interface, Apple may be opening the door for some other player to step in.

steve2112
Sep 29, 2011, 04:06 PM
This is exactly why I would like to see one of them (preferably the shuffle) remain --- no touchscreen. If you use your iPod in the car, you need to be able to navigate it by "feel" --- skip ahead, stop/pause it, start it, etc. It is very hard to do this on the Touch and almost impossible on the current/new Nano. When exercising (especially running) being able to switch around by "feel" only is nice as well.

I think something "physical" for music storage up to 16GB would fill the gap nicely --- as would two models of Nano: one with the current Touch screen and one with the traditional Shuffle-like wheel. I think by completely rejecting any kind of physical interface, Apple may be opening the door for some other player to step in.

Yeah, the click wheel is so much easier to navigate by feel. That's why I like it so much. Plus, if I connect my Classic to my car stereo via USB, I can navigate it using the stereo controls. That option doesn't work with the Touch. I could still kick myself for not getting a previous gen Nano with the clickwheel when they showed up in the refurb store a couple of months ago.

watervapr
Sep 29, 2011, 06:02 PM
My cents:

Shuffle - makes sense, since the nano is much more similar to the shuffle's size, and takes part of the "fitness-gym" ipod market. People could bicker about the higher price of the nano, but it means more $$$ for apple, and any shuffle customers that can be converted to nano customers is exactly what they want.

Classic - now, many hard-music fans will miss this ipod, although I do expect apple to ramp up the Ipod Touch to 128gb. Apple can't please everybody, and the fact that the ipod wasn't even mentioned at last year's refresh means that it's end may indeed be near. It is the 10th anniversary of the 1st generation ipod.

macingman
Sep 30, 2011, 06:44 AM
I don't care for the Shuffle, as that one has tons of alternatives from other manufacturers, but the Classic? ******* you Apple. I have 19000 songs on mine, docked it serves as a base of my home stereo, I can take it with me anywhere I travel, I can carry it in my jacket... I don't care for anything but music, and there are no alternatives in this capacity. I hope some other company fills this gap as I will never buy an Apple product again if they do this.

Why not keep the classic you already have? If all you care about is music than it should suffice.

iEvolution
Sep 30, 2011, 07:43 AM
Actually its not a different source its just repeat of the same source on another source.

That being said I really wouldn't be surprised and if the other rumor is to be believed of the 64GB iPhone then the 128GB Touch should be right around the corner.

For me this will be sad for me for a few reasons:

- The classic's now playing screen is the best out of any of the iPods. Might sound silly to some but I like how it displays the ratings right out in front.

- Rating songs is easy, double-click the center and you're to the rating screen. Where with the touch its unlock - double tap the album art - try to rate the song without going to far one way or the other with your finger - then double tap to get back to the now playing screen. PITA.

- The classic is easy to adjust volume and skip songs in your pocket and even easier when it is clipped to a belt or pocket. Touch requires looking at it.

- Some have mentioned, the iPod Touch music section is glitchy with larger libraries. Even with the lack of a hard drive the menus have lag, sad that it loads menus slower than my iPod Classic with 1/4th the amount of songs on it.

I think changing the entire iPod line to touch only is silly. People that want music players will be looking elsewhere. Course they don't really give a toot about their customers anyway.

rdowns
Sep 30, 2011, 08:11 AM
Apple removes click-wheel games from iTunes as iPod classic lives its last days

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/09/30/apple_removes_ipod_classic_click_wheel_games_from_itunes_store.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

soco
Sep 30, 2011, 08:14 AM
Apple removes click-wheel games from iTunes as iPod classic lives its last days

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/09/30/apple_removes_ipod_classic_click_wheel_games_from_itunes_store.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Nice find. Sad to see centipede go. :(

steve2112
Sep 30, 2011, 08:46 AM
Why not keep the classic you already have? If all you care about is music than it should suffice.

Because when it dies, we will be out of luck. If it is discontinued, you can't just go out and buy another. I'm actually thinking of picking up another one just to have when my current model dies. The HD is already making some odd noises. :(

Nice find. Sad to see centipede go. :(

I always liked the parachute game. Lots of fun.

Goratrix
Sep 30, 2011, 09:44 AM
Why not keep the classic you already have? If all you care about is music than it should suffice.

Because it can die anytime, as any other device can. I'm not worried about my current iPod, I'm woried about the fact that if it dies, there is NO suitable replacement product anwhere in the world (which seems completely ridiculous to me in this day when millions of crap devices that nobody wants are being produced).

B777Forevar
Sep 30, 2011, 12:46 PM
I really hope Apple doesn't kill the classic.
They can however, kill that worthless iPod nano 6th gen and revert it to the old nano style.

Rick America
Sep 30, 2011, 02:03 PM
They can however, kill that worthless iPod nano 6th gen and revert it to the old nano style.

This.

osxnewbe
Oct 1, 2011, 08:46 AM
I hate to see this because I do enjoy my iPod classic. I like being able to take my entire music library with me on the go be because it all won't fit on my iPhone. I see many times when the iPod is a better option such as out on my sailboat or when I go for a run...

Invincibilizer
Oct 1, 2011, 01:31 PM
Classic = Don't care

Shuffle is important for many workout people, I hope it isn't discontinued

iEvolution
Oct 1, 2011, 04:48 PM
Classic = Don't care

Shuffle is important for many workout people, I hope it isn't discontinued

Both have their targeted audiences, I don't think either should be discontinued.

APlotdevice
Oct 1, 2011, 07:08 PM
This is exactly why I would like to see one of them (preferably the shuffle) remain --- no touchscreen. If you use your iPod in the car, you need to be able to navigate it by "feel" --- skip ahead, stop/pause it, start it, etc. It is very hard to do this on the Touch and almost impossible on the current/new Nano. When exercising (especially running) being able to switch around by "feel" only is nice as well.

I think something "physical" for music storage up to 16GB would fill the gap nicely --- as would two models of Nano: one with the current Touch screen and one with the traditional Shuffle-like wheel. I think by completely rejecting any kind of physical interface, Apple may be opening the door for some other player to step in.

If I'm not mistaken you can use a headphone remote with the nano.

quasinormal
Oct 2, 2011, 02:54 AM
I'm keeping an eye on Classic stock levels. I intend to buy at least 4 when it is announced that they'll be discontinued. I have 2 already and would like to put my entire lossless library on them to play with an Onkyo ND-S1 digital output dock. Hopefully there will be some deals.

macingman
Oct 2, 2011, 01:45 PM
Because when it dies, we will be out of luck. If it is discontinued, you can't just go out and buy another. I'm actually thinking of picking up another one just to have when my current model dies. The HD is already making some odd noises. :(

If the HD dies you can just replace it. Some people have even replaced theirs with SSD's I think.
Because it can die anytime, as any other device can. I'm not worried about my current iPod, I'm woried about the fact that if it dies, there is NO suitable replacement product anwhere in the world (which seems completely ridiculous to me in this day when millions of crap devices that nobody wants are being produced).
I reckon if they drop the classic their will be a 128gb ipod touch so you may not be out of luck.

SkaarjHunter
Oct 4, 2011, 11:45 AM
I hope Apple is smart and compensates with more memory on the iPod Touch. They also need to do the same with the iPads too for that matter.

steve2112
Oct 4, 2011, 01:27 PM
If the HD dies you can just replace it. Some people have even replaced theirs with SSD's I think.

I reckon if they drop the classic their will be a 128gb ipod touch so you may not be out of luck.

Yeah, I have seen the replacement drives, but most of the ones I have seen only go up to the 5th or 6th gen models. I don't know if they changed something preventing replacement hard drives or what. At one time, I intended to replace my 30GB 5.5 gen with a 240GB drive, but I never did. I did replace the battery in it, but just never got around to doing the HD.

iEvolution
Oct 4, 2011, 02:20 PM
I think I'm going to be buying the 220GB and a new battery and put it in my 120GB Classic, If apple won't give any updates then I'll do it myself.

Des Zac
Oct 4, 2011, 02:26 PM
One thing I just realized is, if they discontinue the iPod Classic there will not be a single iPod running the original iPod OS :(


(I know the nano technically does, but it's an edited version)

iEvolution
Oct 4, 2011, 02:29 PM
Yeah, I have seen the replacement drives, but most of the ones I have seen only go up to the 5th or 6th gen models. I don't know if they changed something preventing replacement hard drives or what. At one time, I intended to replace my 30GB 5.5 gen with a 240GB drive, but I never did. I did replace the battery in it, but just never got around to doing the HD.

I have that hard drive, be thankful you never did. The 240GB is pretty slow, fortunately this update was simply used to display video on my TV so it works great for that but for playing music it lags pretty noticeably.

myrtlebee
Oct 4, 2011, 02:47 PM
What I don't understand is- why are both the Classic and shuffle on the Apple website for sale when neither was mentioned (only the shuffle shown) and no updates? It would have been better just to let them both go or give some capacity increases at least, damn.

SkippyThorson
Oct 4, 2011, 09:38 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Nano and Shuffle got refreshed colors yet again. They both got 5 similar colors, and the Nano also added red and black.

Other than that, no, the Shuffle didn't change at all from what it was in the last generation. Just colors. In addition, the OS on the new Nano is available for the previous Nano, so you could say that little changed there except for Nike+ built in and colors.

Furthermore, I don't believe that the iPod Touch gained the A5 like the iPhone 4S. It's not that the A4 is bad, but to represent the iPod Touch as a gaming device and not give it the graphic-loving A5 is absurd. It should be on-par with the iPhone, always. Now it's going to technically be a step behind? Strange, but understandable.

I'm really only upset that they didn't even MENTION the Classic. We were OWED at least that, considering it wasn't mentioned last year at all either. It's a slap in the face that they're selling us something they haven't even uttered a word about in 2 and a half years. It should have gotten a capacity bump or a price drop, if not both.

The only thing I'm unhappy about is the Classic, or the lack of the mention of it. The only thing I want Apple to do is put out something regarding the Classic. Anything. I can honestly say this is the first keynote that's left me unhappy.

The lack of Steve didn't help, but that's another story.

myrtlebee
Oct 5, 2011, 10:24 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Nano and Shuffle got refreshed colors yet again. They both got 5 similar colors, and the Nano also added red and black...the Shuffle didn't change at all from what it was in the last generation. Just colors.

The nano has had product red, and that is graphite, not black, just like last year. Nothing changed at all. Whatsoever. It's the SAME EXACT NANO, PEOPLE. It is not "NEW" like they are claiming on their website.

And , no, the shuffle did not change in colors - it is THE SAME COLORS and SAME PRODUCT as last year.

thelonelylimo
Oct 5, 2011, 01:35 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Nano and Shuffle got refreshed colors yet again. They both got 5 similar colors, and the Nano also added red and black.

Other than that, no, the Shuffle didn't change at all from what it was in the last generation. Just colors. In addition, the OS on the new Nano is available for the previous Nano, so you could say that little changed there except for Nike+ built in and colors.

Furthermore, I don't believe that the iPod Touch gained the A5 like the iPhone 4S. It's not that the A4 is bad, but to represent the iPod Touch as a gaming device and not give it the graphic-loving A5 is absurd. It should be on-par with the iPhone, always. Now it's going to technically be a step behind? Strange, but understandable.

I'm really only upset that they didn't even MENTION the Classic. We were OWED at least that, considering it wasn't mentioned last year at all either. It's a slap in the face that they're selling us something they haven't even uttered a word about in 2 and a half years. It should have gotten a capacity bump or a price drop, if not both.

The only thing I'm unhappy about is the Classic, or the lack of the mention of it. The only thing I want Apple to do is put out something regarding the Classic. Anything. I can honestly say this is the first keynote that's left me unhappy.

The lack of Steve didn't help, but that's another story.

wow. Probably the best post I've read on here in a LONG time.

I have love for the click wheel iPods as well. After Apple removed the click wheel games from iTunes and the numerous rumors of it being discontinued. I bought an iPod classic from an Apple retail store a few days before the keynote; in case it was axed. I hadn't bought a click wheel iPod since 2006 and the feeling of seeing them go, is rather depressing.

I was excited for the keynote, almost hoping to hear something about the Classic a little more than the iPhone. I was happy with it in the end. I'll upgrade to the 4S, as it's an amazing device. Although, this keynote didn't give me the same vibe that I've felt from many others in the past. I'm realizing Apple is going through, in my opinion, a major transition.. and I'll stand with them. good or bad. :apple:

sinser
Oct 5, 2011, 03:44 PM
Bah, I realized that I don't really care if they update it, cancel it or whatever. the current iPod classic fits my needs so I just purchased one

puma1552
Oct 5, 2011, 04:29 PM
This was hands down the most pathetic iPod update in history.

That said, I'm glad the classic is still kicking if even in the identical form/capacity as the 2009 model. That means toward the end of next year, my 160 GB current gen classics that I bought shortly after release in 2009 will be about 3 years old, so I'll just reset the clock and get a couple new ones before they do kill them off for real.

steve2112
Oct 5, 2011, 04:59 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Nano and Shuffle got refreshed colors yet again. They both got 5 similar colors, and the Nano also added red and black.

Other than that, no, the Shuffle didn't change at all from what it was in the last generation. Just colors. In addition, the OS on the new Nano is available for the previous Nano, so you could say that little changed there except for Nike+ built in and colors.

Furthermore, I don't believe that the iPod Touch gained the A5 like the iPhone 4S. It's not that the A4 is bad, but to represent the iPod Touch as a gaming device and not give it the graphic-loving A5 is absurd. It should be on-par with the iPhone, always. Now it's going to technically be a step behind? Strange, but understandable.

I'm really only upset that they didn't even MENTION the Classic. We were OWED at least that, considering it wasn't mentioned last year at all either. It's a slap in the face that they're selling us something they haven't even uttered a word about in 2 and a half years. It should have gotten a capacity bump or a price drop, if not both.

The only thing I'm unhappy about is the Classic, or the lack of the mention of it. The only thing I want Apple to do is put out something regarding the Classic. Anything. I can honestly say this is the first keynote that's left me unhappy.

The lack of Steve didn't help, but that's another story.

They don't owe us anything. They are in business to make money, and the Classic is selling just fine as it is. Really, the only things they can really do and keep the current form factor is lower the price or increase storage. Given that they did lower the prices on the Nano and one Touch, it is disappointing that they didn't lower the Classic price. I can understand no bump in capacity. There are very few manufacturers who make spinning hard drives in this form factor (1.8") in the first place, and there really isn't that much demand for them. The demand for spinning drives in general is dying, much less for such a specialized drive.

As for the others: Again, with the Shuffle they can't really change up the format. When they did change it, (the stick with no buttons), nobody liked it. While I do wish they would go back to a 5th gen style format for the Nano, I'm not surprised they didn't change it. I suppose it is selling well enough to keep around.

The Touch is what really surprised me. Why the price drop on only the 8GB model? Also, zero improvements on hardware? I expect them to slightly de-tune the Touch with a slightly slower processor, worse camera, etc, but that was crazy. I really wish they had upgraded the camera, as the one in the Touch (and iPad for that matter) is terrible. I guess they figured it was selling well enough that they didn't need any upgrades. Developers must really hate this, as now they need to write for two different platforms. If they try to take advantage of the new processor and GPU in the iPhone, it may not run on the Touch.

puma1552
Oct 5, 2011, 05:09 PM
Toshiba makes a single-platter, 1.8" 220 or 240 GB (I don't recall the size) drive that would be a direct drop in for the classic. They make it, but Apple would only have a 30% margin and not a 40% margin if they gave us that...

philipt42
Oct 8, 2011, 11:56 PM
Imagine the future if they kept the classic - a terabyte of flash based storage...even the near future, simply more storage, is enticing.

LizKat
Oct 9, 2011, 12:35 AM
What I don't understand is- why are both the Classic and shuffle on the Apple website for sale when neither was mentioned (only the shuffle shown) and no updates? It would have been better just to let them both go or give some capacity increases at least, damn.

Why? Some things are fine the way they are. Sometimes you just want to be able to replace what you had because it broke, like a pie plate or a butter dish. When I need to replace a cast iron skillet or a two-cup measure (and I regard both shuffles and Classics as that sort of utility) I drive into town and expect to buy a replacement. Pretty much or exactly like what I broke or that finally wore out from appreciative use.

I don't know what I would do if I went to my hardware store and they told me "Oh we don't stock skillets any more, they were so boring. We have so-and-so's new gourmet cookware though, it's really great, you can go freezer to oven and stick it in your dishwasher and it's all miniaturized for today's modern snack-oriented lifestyle." I would probably want to punch the guy out. Likewise Apple if they decide to try to sell me a touch-screen nano INSTEAD of a shuffle with real buttons on it. Don't get me wrong, I like my orange nano! But I like my shuffles too, and my Classics, and if and when they break, those are what I want to buy again.

There's a reason that supermarkets still carry stuff like Cheerios, and hardware stores still stock cast iron skillets. PEOPLE BUY THEM.

Chundles
Oct 9, 2011, 12:45 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Nano and Shuffle got refreshed colors yet again. They both got 5 similar colors, and the Nano also added red and black.

Other than that, no, the Shuffle didn't change at all from what it was in the last generation. Just colors. In addition, the OS on the new Nano is available for the previous Nano, so you could say that little changed there except for Nike+ built in and colors.

Furthermore, I don't believe that the iPod Touch gained the A5 like the iPhone 4S. It's not that the A4 is bad, but to represent the iPod Touch as a gaming device and not give it the graphic-loving A5 is absurd. It should be on-par with the iPhone, always. Now it's going to technically be a step behind? Strange, but understandable.

I'm really only upset that they didn't even MENTION the Classic. We were OWED at least that, considering it wasn't mentioned last year at all either. It's a slap in the face that they're selling us something they haven't even uttered a word about in 2 and a half years. It should have gotten a capacity bump or a price drop, if not both.

The only thing I'm unhappy about is the Classic, or the lack of the mention of it. The only thing I want Apple to do is put out something regarding the Classic. Anything. I can honestly say this is the first keynote that's left me unhappy.

The lack of Steve didn't help, but that's another story.

The nanos and the shuffles did not change. Same colours and specs and product codes as before.