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emw
May 4, 2005, 10:27 AM
Link (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0505040236may04,1,4673702.story?coll=chi-news-hed)

ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. -- Nearly 9 1/2 years after a firefighter was left brain-damaged and mostly mute during a 1995 roof collapse, he did something that shocked his family and doctors: He asked for his wife.

Staff members of the suburban Buffalo nursing home where Donald Herbert has lived for more than seven years raced to get Linda Herbert on the telephone.

"I want to talk to my wife," Herbert was quoted as saying. A staff member called his wife, but it was his youngest son, Nicholas, 13, who picked up the phone and began speaking.

"That can't be," Herbert said. "He's just a baby. He can't talk."

It was the first of many conversations the patient had with his wife, four sons and other family and friends Saturday during a 14-hour stretch, Herbert's uncle Simon Manka said.

"How long have I been away?" Herbert asked.

"We told him almost 10 years," the uncle said. "He thought it was only three months."

Herbert, who will turn 44 Saturday, was fighting a house fire on Dec. 29, 1995, when the roof collapsed, burying him under debris. After going without air for several minutes, Herbert was comatose for 2 1/2 months and has undergone therapy ever since.

Wow - the human brain can be an amazing and confusing thing.


wdlove
May 4, 2005, 05:41 PM
I heard this on the news last evening. Truly an amazing story. It just goes to show once again the healing power of the human brain. The brain is the organ that is least understood by doctors.

What an amazing fourteen hour visit that must have been. Hope that he will continue to improve. It showed him up trying to learn to walk again.
Rocksaurus
May 4, 2005, 05:45 PM
Normally I don't post saying "wow" or "that's neat" but, sheesh, this is amazing. Thanks for posting it.
Blue Velvet
May 4, 2005, 05:49 PM
Just imagine even after all the catching-up with family and friends, learning about what has happened in the world in the last 10 years... extraordinary.

Sounds trite, but my first thought was Stephen King's 'The Dead Zone'. :o
emw
May 4, 2005, 05:57 PM
Just imagine even after all the catching-up with family and friends, learning about what has happened in the world in the last 10 years... extraordinary.

Sounds trite, but my first thought was Stephen King's 'The Dead Zone'. :oYou're right - it's such a different world to wake up to. He might want to go back to that coma he was in...

But you're right on with "The Dead Zone" - one of my favorite TV shows.
Blue Velvet
May 4, 2005, 06:04 PM
But you're right on with "The Dead Zone" - one of my favorite TV shows.

They made a TV show? Have I also been away?

Was thinking of the book...
mactastic
May 4, 2005, 06:14 PM
What's a book? :p

Sounds trite, but my first thought was Stephen King's 'The Dead Zone'. :o

Hmm... I was thinking of the South Park with Gorak/Steve where they unfreeze the guy and make him listen to Ace of Base repeatedly.

All that she wants is another baby...
:D
dotdotdot
May 4, 2005, 06:30 PM
That must be awesome for everyone and him, but will there be any new problems? He is still brain damaged...
emw
May 4, 2005, 06:44 PM
They made a TV show? Have I also been away?

Was thinking of the book...USA Network here in the, well, USA. It's season is in the summer.
MentalFabric
May 4, 2005, 07:12 PM
That's great, but it must be awful to wake up and find yourself ten years older!
stubeeef
May 4, 2005, 07:32 PM
Brings Terri Schiavo to mind. This firefighter wasn't supposed to recover from his injuries. I read that her condition was different, but still one wonders. Where there is life there is hope. Not trying to open an old wound, just voice a thought.

I am sure his family is celebrating this wonderful accomplishment with joy and song. If he were my dad, I would be feeling awe-struck. I hope his condition continues to improve even more. I hope he retains his condition unlike the police officer they mentioned that only "awoke' for 18 hours.
jayscheuerle
May 4, 2005, 08:16 PM
Oh, this isn't a repost of that "Bill Gates spills beans" article? :p
irmongoose
May 4, 2005, 09:18 PM
I don't cry watching movies or anything but...

Is this touching or what?



irmongoose
Steven1621
May 5, 2005, 12:14 AM
It's amazing to think of what he has missed in the last 10 years. He has never heard of George W., 9/11, etc. Crazy stuff...
Chip NoVaMac
May 5, 2005, 01:41 AM
Link (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0505040236may04,1,4673702.story?coll=chi-news-hed)



Wow - the human brain can be an amazing and confusing thing.

And from what I gleaned on the radio news, he lapsed back to a vegetative state some 12 hours later. To me the mind and God works in mysterious ways.
PlaceofDis
May 5, 2005, 01:49 AM
yeah here is the latest

http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/conditions/05/04/firefighter.recovery.ap/index.html
sorryiwasdreami
May 5, 2005, 01:53 AM
It's amazing to think of what he has missed in the last 10 years. He has never heard of George W., 9/11, etc. Crazy stuff...

I wish I could be caught in a similar state of oblivion.
Chip NoVaMac
May 5, 2005, 02:04 AM
I wish I could be caught in a similar state of oblivion.

Don't we all wish that we could turn back the hands of time in some way?

For me, I would like to go back 5 to years, and hope for better times. :)
kettle
May 5, 2005, 02:44 AM
That's great, but it must be awful to wake up and find yourself ten years older!

That's what happens when you turn thirty, the realisation that ten years have past and it feels like you should still be in your early twenties. That's why your thirtieth birthday will be your worst birthday probably until you hit forty, at which point I imagine it will be the same horror just less surprising. :(
stubeeef
May 5, 2005, 04:28 AM
That's what happens when you turn thirty, the realisation that ten years have past and it feels like you should still be in your early twenties. That's why your thirtieth birthday will be your worst birthday probably until you hit forty, at which point I imagine it will be the same horror just less surprising. :(

Actually more surprising at 40, scared to feel the effects at 50 but don't want to experience the alternative yet.
fox2005
May 5, 2005, 07:22 PM
Read the title and thought this was a disscusion of Bill Gates or mabe George W Bush... mabe next time...
rainman::|:|
May 6, 2005, 01:47 PM
Brings Terri Schiavo to mind. This firefighter wasn't supposed to recover from his injuries. I read that her condition was different, but still one wonders. Where there is life there is hope. Not trying to open an old wound, just voice a thought.

I think a lot of people are thinking this too, "i was on the wrong side! they really can wake up!" but no, the conditions they were in are way too different. His brain was intact but uh, "scrambled" for lack of a better word. Always will be, his waking/coma state notwithstanding. But he's always had the chance for improvement, because his body kept his brain well-nourished and alive (indeed, i hope he continues to recover, perhaps he'll get to a constant low-functioning state) By contrast, Terri Shiavo's body allowed her brain to, basically, decompose inside her head, by the time she died most of her brain was liquid, there was simply no tissue there. The sodium, potassium, and calcium electrical circuitry in his brain are (were) simply dormant or malfunctioning, hers were not even close to intact.

It's great that this poor guy and his family experienced a miracle, but we have to keep it in perspective, such a miracle would not have been possible for many comatose people... to put it another way, you can't jumpstart an engine that's already been scrapped for parts.