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kungfu
Oct 7, 2002, 12:13 PM
From apple:

iPod Software 1.2.2 reduces the maximum sound output of the iPod in accordance with European standards

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120123

1.2.1 must have done something else...?

kungfu

Hemingray
Oct 7, 2002, 02:17 PM
According to XLR8yourmac.com, the 1.2.1 release supposedly fixed a bug with the battery status icon that caused it to incorrectly display the correct battery level.

MacNN says that this 1.2.2 update is only required for European users.

samdweck
Oct 7, 2002, 02:43 PM
Originally posted by Hemingray
According to XLR8yourmac.com, the 1.2.1 release supposedly fixed a bug with the battery status icon that caused it to incorrectly display the correct battery level.

MacNN says that this 1.2.2 update is only required for European users.

wow, that was quick.. five days i think... lol, and btw, i don't care if it's only required for europe, keep me up to date!

kungfu
Oct 7, 2002, 03:59 PM
Originally posted by samdweck


wow, that was quick.. five days i think... lol, and btw, i don't care if it's only required for europe, keep me up to date!

ummm... if want your ipod to sound softer i guess...? if you keep 1.2.1 you will keep those extra 4 decibels. that's why they're only recommending it to european customers because it actually makes the ipod worse.

kungfu

samdweck
Oct 7, 2002, 04:02 PM
Originally posted by kungfu


ummm... if want your ipod to sound softer i guess...? if you keep 1.2.1 you will keep those extra 4 decibels. that's why they're only recommending it to european customers because it actually makes the ipod worse.

kungfu

i dont' get it, why would tehy do that?

Billicus
Oct 7, 2002, 04:23 PM
Originally posted by samdweck


i dont' get it, why would tehy do that?

To be in accordance with European laws.

samdweck
Oct 7, 2002, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by Billicus


To be in accordance with European laws.

huh? what european laws are we talking about?!

Billicus
Oct 7, 2002, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by samdweck


huh? what european laws are we talking about?!

There's some law that states that devices like the iPod can't operate over 100 Db. :rolleyes:
I know that I heard that somewhere recently.

kungfu
Oct 7, 2002, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by samdweck


huh? what european laws are we talking about?!

french law states that you can't have devices which exceed 100 decibels.... are you trying to get 500 posts in a week or something?

kungfu

Hemingray
Oct 7, 2002, 05:24 PM
Whoa... okay, THAT was weird! :eek:

This thread was pruned and sent to the Archive Wasteland?!

Oh moderator gods, please enlighten us to this new phenomenon...

http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=41

vniow
Oct 7, 2002, 05:57 PM
Ha!
Wasteland, that's ******** great.
Newbies beware!

samdweck
Oct 7, 2002, 06:01 PM
Originally posted by Hemingray
Whoa... okay, THAT was weird! :eek:

This thread was pruned and sent to the Archive Wasteland?!

Oh moderator gods, please enlighten us to this new phenomenon...

http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=41

yeah, i guess the wasteland part is true, i never have even thought to look in the archives... i prob wouldn't know where they r lol... btw, i usually only go to stuff on the mainpage or that gets emailed to me... i will have to check out the rest of the stie!

bidge
Oct 8, 2002, 12:03 AM
Originally posted by Hemingray
According to XLR8yourmac.com, the 1.2.1 release supposedly fixed a bug with the battery status icon that caused it to incorrectly display the correct battery level.

MacNN says that this 1.2.2 update is only required for European users.

According to Apple the 1.2.1 fix corrected the battery icon thing.

"iPod Software 1.2.1 fixes a problem with the battery icon. It now correctly indicates a full charge."

Direct quote from www.apple.com/ipod/download

chrismear
Oct 8, 2002, 05:43 AM
c|net covered (http://news.com.com/2100-1040-960211.html) this story a little while ago.

The weird thing is that I seem to remember reading somewhere that the '100 dB law' is a French law, not a European one. But it looks like Apple is putting this restriction across the whole of Europe.

Not that I'm too obsessed over an extra 4 dB, but it'll be shame if my new iPod (just ordered in the UK) will be quieter than its US brethren, just to satisfy some Frenchies. :-)

gandalf55
Oct 8, 2002, 06:47 AM
personally i can't imagine 4db would make that much of a difference - but French ears must be better than other people's ears... or so they think. well, the rest of the world get something better - in the form of a 104db iPod! Frenchies just being difficult - whatever. Now they can't complain about the iPod any longer.

The iPod is one of the world's best digital lifestyle devices every produced.

Zenith
Oct 8, 2002, 06:50 AM
I don't think those 4 extra dB's will make much of a difference... And I don't think I could stand 104 dB when playing a song with a normalized sound level.

Archive Wasteland. Ha! funny...

TheT
Oct 8, 2002, 07:08 AM
Ehm, those 4db do make a dieffernce, because it doubles every 3db or something like that... it was in the 1.2.1 thread.
Anyway, I'm not gonna install this update, why would somebody do this?! Make my iPod more quiet? If I turn the Sound Level Check on, it's already quiet enough!!!
And what are they gonna do for 1.3? just do two versions, US and European? I'ss stick with the US-one :D

Stike
Oct 8, 2002, 07:16 AM
Maybe the volume is only limited if you use the french localization? :rolleyes:

TheT
Oct 8, 2002, 07:28 AM
Originally posted by Stike
Maybe the volume is only limited if you use the french localization? :rolleyes:
That would be cool, but I don't think so... it says:
Compliant with EN 50332-1
so I think it'll be for all languages...:(

gandalf55
Oct 8, 2002, 07:49 AM
i'm sure the next update will be for everyone. if you perform the 1.2.2 updater, you get 100db maximum. however those of us who don't - we just forget about 1.2.2 and we use the 1.2.3 or whatever - and continue as normal. 1.2.2 is for europeans only - just skip this one and all will be fine. i can't imagine 1.2.3 would apply 1.2.2 or even require it for updating.

Zenith
Oct 8, 2002, 08:25 AM
Originally posted by TheT
Ehm, those 4db do make a dieffernce, because it doubles every 3db or something like that... it was in the 1.2.1 thread.
Anyway, I'm not gonna install this update, why would somebody do this?! Make my iPod more quiet? If I turn the Sound Level Check on, it's already quiet enough!!!
And what are they gonna do for 1.3? just do two versions, US and European? I'ss stick with the US-one :D

whoa... sound level doubles every 3 dB..? I didn't know that.

gandalf55
Oct 8, 2002, 08:54 AM
zenith - how are you using an avatar & don't have over 500 posts?

oops - didn't read your signature. understood now.

chrismear
Oct 8, 2002, 09:29 AM
<puts on physicist hat>
Yeah, decibels are basically a just a relative logarithmic scale, and they're used in many different contexts. In terms of sound, they're usually used in relation to the characteristics of the human ear.

However, although a change of 3 dB is basically a doubling of intensity or pressure, it doesn't actually sound twice as loud, because we perceive sound more on a logarithmic scale than a linear scale -- hence the use of decibels.

There's a good Java applet here (http://www.measure.demon.co.uk/Acoustics_Software/db_demo.html) that lets you compare a reference tone to tones that have been adjusted in volume by various amounts. The change from 0 to -3 dB is really quite slight.
<removes physicist hat>

wiesel201
Oct 8, 2002, 09:46 AM
I'm from Austria / Europe and please believe me. It's not an european standard. Only in France there is a law which says that portable audio devices are not allowed to be louder than 100 db.

Octron80
Sep 17, 2006, 06:52 PM
some tricky Europeans made the tool "gopod" which make the ipod louder ;)
http://gopod.free-go.net/

Killyp
Sep 17, 2006, 07:40 PM
wow, that was one hell of a thread resurrection :eek:

monke
Sep 17, 2006, 07:44 PM
wow, that was one hell of a thread resurrection :eek:

Just noticed that. WOW! Almost 4 years. :)

Xander562
Sep 17, 2006, 08:30 PM
some tricky Europeans made the tool "gopod" which make the ipod louder ;)
http://gopod.free-go.net/
why did you post about this? the thread is like 4 YEARS OLD! :confused:

vniow
Sep 18, 2006, 12:08 PM
Whoa... okay, THAT was weird! :eek:

This thread was pruned and sent to the Archive Wasteland?!

Oh moderator gods, please enlighten us to this new phenomenon...

http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=41


What a classic thread. I remember this like it was yesterday. The discovery of the Wasteland.