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funkywhat2
Oct 12, 2002, 06:04 PM
http://www.zdnet.com/supercenter/stories/overview/0,12069,562338,00.html

take a look at it. aparrently, it's a dektop.

edesignuk
Oct 12, 2002, 06:13 PM
For a quick reference, take a look...

edit: and BTW, what's wrong with it? I think it looks pretty good to me, and it's not ripping off a Mac design IMHO. It's just a nice looking all-in-one peecee.

funkywhat2
Oct 12, 2002, 06:54 PM
i just needed a headline to get peoples attention:). now that i look at it more and more, it looks better.

vniow
Oct 12, 2002, 06:59 PM
I really think that they could have done better than a 1.6 Ghz Celeron though, even the Profile4 has up to a 2.8 GHz PIV. :rolleyes:

shadowfax
Oct 12, 2002, 07:01 PM
seriously, that is crap on the celeron... are they still at 128/256K L2? that completely negates your speed advantages. try that on your P4 and see what happens (like you can heh)

j763
Oct 12, 2002, 07:30 PM
pssh... who cares. it's built to run win32. you wouldn't serve (w/linux of course!) off that piece of crap either.

Hemingray
Oct 12, 2002, 07:34 PM
Although I'm not repulsed by it, I think it looks like a failed conceptual design from the early to mid 90's...

shadowfax
Oct 12, 2002, 08:37 PM
that's classic, hemingray. that has to be about the worst, yet almost esoteric insult you could possibly throw at a computer design, perhaps second to a "failed 80's design."

*shivers*

beatle888
Oct 12, 2002, 09:28 PM
i dont really care for it either BUT it has
a hell of a lot more style than a beige box.
come on apple...their starting to understand
style. we need speed otherwise we're just
gonna be a memory.

redAPPLE
Oct 13, 2002, 06:32 AM
Originally posted by edesignuk
For a quick reference, take a look...

edit: and BTW, what's wrong with it? I think it looks pretty good to me, and it's not ripping off a Mac design IMHO. It's just a nice looking all-in-one peecee.

the screen looks a lot bigger than "the base". won't that thing tilt over backwards?

irmongoose
Oct 13, 2002, 07:38 AM
Originally posted by redAPPLE


the screen looks a lot bigger than "the base". won't that thing tilt over backwards?

If you see closely, behind the screen is the real 'base'...



irmongoose

job
Oct 13, 2002, 11:32 AM
It reminds me of the first Mac portable..

dricci
Oct 13, 2002, 02:23 PM
That's Progress? Sorry, but Sony lost Style on this one...

kansaigaijin
Oct 13, 2002, 09:22 PM
sony has a bunch of similar products, with flat screens and detached keyboards etc, marketed in Japan. CRTs other than iMacs have pretty much disappeared from the market here, go into a computer/electronics store and you will see a wall of LCD panel monitors, and big plasma TVs. Many people also buy portable/laptops for general use. The main reason being a lack of space, there is none in most peoples homes for a CPU case and crt monitor, and all the other stuff. I know there is not space in my house! We have an old iMac, other members of the household have new Wintel stuff, a compact CPU unit with widescreen LCD for younger brother-in-law, and mother-in-law just got a laptop with a 15.1" screen. very nice except of course they run windows! again space is a big consideration when shopping.

You are only getting an example that they think they can market there. Any body who wants a high end processor would also want expandibility etc., thus the celeron. The products are fairly well designed, they are definately catering to peoples tastes. Some people actually like and expect all the ugly little buttons etc, a clean design looks like it lacks features or is missing something (on both sides of the Pacific) Apple is targeting a different market, the creative professionals who might read Architectural Record or Wallpaper*

so in other words that Sony is exactly what they think they can sell there, in the little niche that Sony targets.

Spock
Oct 13, 2002, 10:59 PM
Why the hell when another company makes an all-in-one compter somebody always has to say "Here is another lame attempt to copy Apple" or somthing like that. If you do your research Apple did not invent the all-in-one computer. Yes the Profile4 is a dumb looking computer and the ad was way wrong BUT the Profile4 looks nothing like the iMac. And Sony has had cool looking case's while Apple still had beige boxes. I'm not Anti-mac but slamming other company's becouse they try to make things as cool as Apple, becouse let's face it Apple is way overpriced. If I was a first time computer buyer why the Hell would I buy a 1.25 ghz G4 when I can buy a brand new Dell or Compaq at half the price??

DakotaGuy
Oct 13, 2002, 11:06 PM
It does not look too bad and it has 1.6Ghz that is double the iMacs 800Mhz, but I thought people are moving towards larger monitors?

funkywhat2
Oct 13, 2002, 11:23 PM
Originally posted by Spock
Why the hell when another company makes an all-in-one compter somebody always has to say "Here is another lame attempt to copy Apple" or somthing like that. If you do your research Apple did not invent the all-in-one computer. Yes the Profile4 is a dumb looking computer and the ad was way wrong BUT the Profile4 looks nothing like the iMac. And Sony has had cool looking case's while Apple still had beige boxes. I'm not Anti-mac but slamming other company's becouse they try to make things as cool as Apple, becouse let's face it Apple is way overpriced. If I was a first time computer buyer why the Hell would I buy a 1.25 ghz G4 when I can buy a brand new Dell or Compaq at half the price??

i never said that they copied apple, and i know that, i'm not stupid. i was just showing that they are selling an all-in-one machine in the US that may or may not rival the iMac for people's hard earned money.

zorblaz
Oct 13, 2002, 11:26 PM
Hey folks! It's a laptop that you cannot take with you! ;) ...I've never "gotten along" with any Sony products, but I always thought that they had decent designers..... until now. Of course, this product falls into the "I bought it because it says Sony on it" category. :o

kansaigaijin
Oct 13, 2002, 11:38 PM
Zorba?

have you actually seen the product in person or just looked at the posted picture?

or did you consider the marketing reasoning for such a product? No i thought not.

Obviously Sony cannot compete with Dell etc for price etc, they must come up with something different, and integrated with their other products.

Also in Japan, the build your own thing is mainstream, all the big stores have build your own sections with lots of product, without OS included. Who knows what they are installing. and it is very cheap to build your own, there is also very cheap complete naked machines available.

bidge
Oct 13, 2002, 11:49 PM
It's all good until you see the specs!!!

funkywhat2
Oct 13, 2002, 11:59 PM
Originally posted by kansaigaijin
Zorba?

have you actually seen the product in person or just looked at the posted picture?

or did you consider the marketing reasoning for such a product? No i thought not.

Obviously Sony cannot compete with Dell etc for price etc, they must come up with something different, and integrated with their other products.

Also in Japan, the build your own thing is mainstream, all the big stores have build your own sections with lots of product, without OS included. Who knows what they are installing. and it is very cheap to build your own, there is also very cheap complete naked machines available.

i have to agree with him. zorblaz, i mean. a product llike ths may be useful in a space-concious area like japan, but here in america it has no use. it is a laptop you cant take with you. it is a product you buy because you see a sony logo on it. sony's never had any very high quality products, and i'm sure this one is no different.

Spock
Oct 14, 2002, 12:22 AM
Originally posted by crazy_will


sony's never had any very high quality products, and i'm sure this one is no different.

Thats funny Sony has been making parts for Apple for as long as I can remember.
The old floppy drives in the Macintosh's The screens on the performas, CD Roms,
etc...And the Playstation line, what is wrong with the Playstation?

shadowfax
Oct 14, 2002, 02:20 AM
Originally posted by crazy_will

sony's never had any very high quality products, and i'm sure this one is no different.

how about their CD players? i had a sony discman i bought the first or secon years they came out, mind you i was really young then, not sombody who was overly nice to his technology, and that thing lasted me for YEARS, until last year when i tossed it for an MP3 cd player.

and my sony trinitron monitor... best CRT i have ever owned by far... and our trinitron television... awesome... my grandpa has a WEGA, it's uberawesome. i don't know what you have been smoking for the last 20 years, but i have never seen a sony product that really reeked. anything that wasn't dirt cheap has always been prima quality. even if that stupid vaio desktop is ugly and poorly spec-ed out, i'll bet you ot's plenty durable from a technical standpoint.

and as i recall, sony was making magnesium-bodied laptops before our precious TiBooks. apple does the metal laptops better, of course, but that doesn't make them original.

Mr. Anderson
Oct 14, 2002, 08:56 AM
Originally posted by Hemingray
Although I'm not repulsed by it, I think it looks like a failed conceptual design from the early to mid 90's...

Exactly - but more of a slicked up design of something from a 60s or 70s movie, almost like something they would have designed for 2001 if they'd imagined LCDs and laptops would be possible.

And did anyone notice how much it weighed?

"Nonetheless, this isn't a laptop by any stretch of the imagination. Weighing 20 pounds, the $1,600 PCV-W10 is about twice as heavy as the largest desktop-replacement notebooks. While portable, the Sony isn't suited to daily changes of scenery from, say, your den to your kitchen table and back.

Ouch!

kansaigaijin
Oct 14, 2002, 09:03 AM
oh and how much does an iMac G4 weigh?

Mr. Anderson
Oct 14, 2002, 09:38 AM
Good point - 21.2 pounds for the 15"

But when you look at it, it comes across as a Laptop on steriods. It lacks elegance and seems way to clunky for me. But, then again, I don't like pcs in general.

D

funkywhat2
Oct 14, 2002, 10:00 AM
Originally posted by Shadowfax


how about their CD players? i had a sony discman i bought the first or secon years they came out, mind you i was really young then, not sombody who was overly nice to his technology, and that thing lasted me for YEARS, until last year when i tossed it for an MP3 cd player.

and my sony trinitron monitor... best CRT i have ever owned by far... and our trinitron television... awesome... my grandpa has a WEGA, it's uberawesome. i don't know what you have been smoking for the last 20 years, but i have never seen a sony product that really reeked. anything that wasn't dirt cheap has always been prima quality. even if that stupid vaio desktop is ugly and poorly spec-ed out, i'll bet you ot's plenty durable from a technical standpoint.

and as i recall, sony was making magnesium-bodied laptops before our precious TiBooks. apple does the metal laptops better, of course, but that doesn't make them original. [/B]

and how much did that WEGA cost him? and how big was it?

sony may make nice things, but for the price, they're a totlal rip off. and just because they kame a few nice things, doesnt mean that their products are hig quality. the button door fell off of my friends sony tv. then it refused to turn on. his sony projection has to be re-focused every day. my neighbors sony pc can hold it own cover on. my sony dv camcorder looks nice, but its heavy, and has **** resolution. my playstation can't play any of the games it was desiged for. my dicman, whit tis ten sceond sof skip protection, cant be taken off my desk at home, because thenit will skip. my sony headphones can't be used anymore because the cheap plastic cones that were in them daveloped a hole over the cousre of six months of normal use. I'm giving up on sony minidisc players because i've gone through two of them in a year and a half. they refuse to record. the g-portrcton on my newset works, at the sacrefise of sound quality and batter life. and you can turn it off. think memory stick. what a good media format. maybe they could charge more for it.

that felt good. :)

p.s if sony products are soo good, then ewhat weith you saying this shaddowfax?

"but my 17 inch trinitron monitor is a bitch. it heats my room up like nothing else, lol...."

shadowfax
Oct 14, 2002, 01:31 PM
it is a bitch. a darned good one. sony isn't perfect. the fact that it heats up my room has mostly to do with the fact that my parents are too cheap to air condition more, and i am too cheap to buy an LCD. but it's worth the heat to me for the beautiful screen. i hate non-FD tubes. ultimately this has more to do with that i live in austin, this quandry of horrible weather, than anything else.

lol, the trinitron IS great, you see? in michigan it could save you on your heating bill! ;)

funkywhat2
Oct 14, 2002, 02:29 PM
Originally posted by Shadowfax
it is a bitch. a darned good one. sony isn't perfect. the fact that it heats up my room has mostly to do with the fact that my parents are too cheap to air condition more, and i am too cheap to buy an LCD. but it's worth the heat to me for the beautiful screen. i hate non-FD tubes. ultimately this has more to do with that i live in austin, this quandry of horrible weather, than anything else.

lol, the trinitron IS great, you see? in michigan it could save you on your heating bill! ;)

i know sony isn't perfect. no company is. however, it irks me when people make sony out to be the greatest company on earth. while there are some good products that they make,
many of these products are out of reach of the average consumer. i do like sony products, i have some older ones that i haven't had any problems with. however, they aren't the greatest company on earth.

i have a slight confession to make. once i get my mac, if i cant buy an IBM LCD all in one computer, I'm gong to end up buying a VAIO MX.

lets make up and stop fighting. silly things like this can turn into flame wars:):):)

Quark
Oct 14, 2002, 03:07 PM
Sony makes several awesome products!

Monitors, TVs, stereos, headphones, etc.

Some of the best monitors are the Sony Trinitron CRTs.

Sounds to me like you lost money on Sony stock or something.

They are great at what they do and they keep competition on their toes, just like Apple keeps computer competitors on their toes.

Quark

funkywhat2
Oct 14, 2002, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by Quark
Sony makes several awesome products!

Monitors, TVs, stereos, headphones, etc.

Some of the best monitors are the Sony Trinitron CRTs.

Sounds to me like you lost money on Sony stock or something.

They are great at what they do and they keep competition on their toes, just like Apple keeps computer competitors on their toes.

Quark

i don't invest, i just have never really been fond of anythingthat sany makes, and much of the sony stuff i have has problems, or is just shoddily built for the prices they charge.

shadowfax
Oct 14, 2002, 08:22 PM
[i]originally posted by crazy_will[i/]

lets make up and stop fighting. silly things like this can turn into flame wars

no, pistols at dawn!

j/k. peace out man

"i may not agree with what you say, but i will defend to the death your right to say it." -voltaire

funkywhat2
Oct 14, 2002, 08:33 PM
just to make my sony bashing even more comical, my dad just went out and bought a 32" Sony WEGA TV. maybe if i had bashed panasonic i could have gotten one of those...

shadowfax
Oct 14, 2002, 09:05 PM
that's what my grandpa has. they may be big, but the DVDs are ultracrisp.

onemoof
Oct 14, 2002, 09:06 PM
That computer looks like it's horribly unusable. Look how close the keyboard is to the monitor and it can't be moved! Look how low to the ground the monitor is. you have to hunch down to see it and you have to have your fingers blocking your view of the monitor. It gives me wrist and neck cramps just looking at that computer.

shadowfax
Oct 14, 2002, 09:47 PM
originally posted by onemoof

That computer looks like it's horribly unusable. Look how close the keyboard is to the monitor and it can't be moved! Look how low to the ground the monitor is. you have to hunch down to see it and you have to have your fingers blocking your view of the monitor. It gives me wrist and neck cramps just looking at that computer.

no way. not to overly defend it, but it's tilted upwards, and you can presumably tilt it more, so you are just looking down on it, not crouching behind your hands or anything. granted, hooking the monitor to the keyboard is a bad idea, but gosh, don't go ape. at least they didn't fuse the mouse to the monitor! :p ;)

kansaigaijin
Oct 15, 2002, 06:03 AM
would be sitting on a cushion on the floor, with the computer on a low table.

MacSlut
Oct 15, 2002, 02:05 PM
Weak specs and too much $$$. It looks good, but not as functional as others in its class. I really don't understand why someone would buy this instead of a notebook.

I think we're going to see a lot more bad functional designs coming out given the success of the iMac (which is well designed) and the switch over to LCD screens.

Chisholm
Oct 15, 2002, 04:23 PM
Originally posted by Hemingray
Although I'm not repulsed by it, I think it looks like a failed conceptual design from the early to mid 90's...

...more like the 60's. a hybrid shaving mirror/toaster/typewriter kinda' thingie.

and Sony makes the worst remotes on the planet for A/V gear.;)