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gandalf55
May 20, 2005, 03:03 PM
My wife's video unit on her logic board has fried again. They replace the whole thing since the component is integrated into the board itself. This is the FIFTH one to go. So she will need a SIXTH logic board replacement.

Each time Apple replaces the unit for free (by shipping it someplace for a few days), but they refuse to replace the laptop. Well, I was told by about the 4th time we would get a replacement only to find out that their policy is never to replace it. I was told this by tier-2.

We didn't buy AppleCare with that thing. If we would have paid the $300 or so, I was told Apple would have REPLACED the whole iBook, with a new model, a long, long time ago. But since we didn't, we have to go this process of giving them the iBook, they ship it away, fix it, then ship it back. Ad naseum? Yes its our fault, but no laptop should need this many board replacements, ever.

So I ask you, shouldn't Apple at some point realize that this iBook is a lemon and replace it out of good faith? Shouldn't they allow us to buy AppleCare for this thing so we did get a new one?

I mean, come on... this is disgusting Customer Relations. If we don't get a new iBook this time around, my wife is simply going to get a PC laptop. :eek: :eek:



California
May 20, 2005, 03:10 PM
Applecare, for me, was TOTALLY worth it. Piece of mind for three years. I essentially still have a brand new PB, three and half years later, because of Apple.

Thank you APPLE.

eva01
May 20, 2005, 03:12 PM
i got my iBook replaced with a new computer with the second logic board failure O_O

EDIT: but i also have applecare

gandalf55
May 20, 2005, 03:14 PM
That's awesome - but don't you think I have a special case here? I would think they might think to themselves, "This particular iBook is a real lemon... let's do something nice for him... otherwise this will never end."

My wife was a switcher - and now they are about to lose her over a $300 AppleCare.

eva01
May 20, 2005, 03:17 PM
i think you should call apple, then ask to speak with their manager, then ask to speak with their manager. then explain your situation, that is how i went about it

gandalf55
May 20, 2005, 03:26 PM
I did that the last time. I was escalated to a manager in the top tier whom I was told could make the decision to replace it.

He flatly told me unless it was covered under Apple Care, Apple could do absolutely nothing for me, except replace the board yet again. He wouldn't even consider it.

I explained that this whole thing was getting ridiculous. He agreed - but stated again his hands were tied.

I called the iBook a lemon - which I think it legally is by now in the state of MA. He got all upset and told me he couldn't speak to me about legal matters without an Apple lawyer on the phone. Whatever.

eva01
May 20, 2005, 03:38 PM
find out if it is, i live in MA as well, but i bought it in NH and got my new computer in NH (the replaced one 12" PB for 500 bucks)

keep asking for managers even past him, i think thats all you can do at this point

iJaz
May 20, 2005, 03:56 PM
So your computer is more than a year old? Because you can add AppleCare to your computer up to one year after you bought it, right?

tutubibi
May 20, 2005, 04:00 PM
AppleCare is way overpriced in my opinion.

In Canada, it was never adjusted for lower US dollar. At 389 CAD for iBook it's over 30% of iBook's price (starts at 1249 CAD).

In USA it's bit better at around 25% of iBook's price.

My 1 year warranty is about to expire in couple of weeks but I am not getting AppleCare. Now, if AppleCare was priced max 200 CAD I would definitely go for it.

Dogfood1
May 20, 2005, 04:24 PM
I feel your pain, but at least you didn't shell out the $300 for something that should have been covered for no charge. I bought Applecare when my first logic board fried on my 12" 600mhz iBook, before they "officially acknowledged" the problem. Since then, each time it dies, someone in the applecare chain will tell me, "one more time, and we'll replace it."

I've sent it back to them 3 times, which means that the logic board in the computer is now the the 5th (I think). The last time it happened I plead my case to the highest level customer service manager I could find. He flatly refused to replace it, and our good natured conversation took a sudden turn for the worse when I used the term "Lemon" in description of my iBook. He go angry, snarky, and defensive. He made it clear that this is NOT a lemon-law issue. He was real snarky.

Each time I was promised that THIS logic board was better and wouldn't fry like the last ones. So far the latest one is going on 6 months - about as long as the other ones lasted so we'll see. Of course I've replaced the iBook with a new 15" PB, so I may never get the chance to have the board die on me again.

So, the moral is, don't feel bad, at least they're really good about fixing it, and you didn't have to pay for Apple Care! Apple is still great about repairing and returning - usually less than 3 days, and remember, it's still a Mac. I'm pretty sure that a 2-year-old Sony or Toshiba laptop that had similar issues would be tossed in the trash, its guts full of spyware and viruses.

Keep the Mac Faith
Dogfood1

DickArmAndHarT
May 20, 2005, 05:02 PM
Applecare, for me, was TOTALLY worth it. Piece of mind for three years. I essentially still have a brand new PB, three and half years later, because of Apple.

Thank you APPLE.


How did u get a brand new PB?
Im abotu to send mine in for the 4th time, Totally BS. ??

James Philp
May 20, 2005, 05:07 PM
AppleCare is way overpriced in my opinion.

In Canada, it was never adjusted for lower US dollar. At 389 CAD for iBook it's over 30% of iBook's price (starts at 1249 CAD).

Insure a portable device for 3 years? I doubt any insurance company would offer you complete repair or replacement cover for 3 years for less than 130 CAD a year for any laptop!
It IS expensive, but of course it's not overpriced!

fener
May 20, 2005, 05:07 PM
My wife's video unit on her logic board has fried again. They replace the whole thing since the component is integrated into the board itself. This is the FIFTH one to go. So she will need a SIXTH logic board replacement.

Each time Apple replaces the unit for free (by shipping it someplace for a few days), but they refuse to replace the laptop. Well, I was told by about the 4th time we would get a replacement only to find out that their policy is never to replace it. I was told this by tier-2.

We didn't buy AppleCare with that thing. If we would have paid the $300 or so, I was told Apple would have REPLACED the whole iBook, with a new model, a long, long time ago. But since we didn't, we have to go this process of giving them the iBook, they ship it away, fix it, then ship it back. Ad naseum? Yes its our fault, but no laptop should need this many board replacements, ever.

So I ask you, shouldn't Apple at some point realize that this iBook is a lemon and replace it out of good faith? Shouldn't they allow us to buy AppleCare for this thing so we did get a new one?

I mean, come on... this is disgusting Customer Relations. If we don't get a new iBook this time around, my wife is simply going to get a PC laptop. :eek: :eek:


AppleCare is for years 2 and 3. You DO NOT have to buy it for the 1st year. In this case, you should insist and get awarded with a new laptop. Its policy. Know your rights.

I personally NEVER purchase AppleCare, since I always replace my equipment within 1 year.
However, extra warranty coverages are life savers for companies, such as Apple and Dell, and that is where they make a lot of money, because a lot of people purchase it, and never use; just like insurance for rental cars.

calyxman
May 20, 2005, 05:21 PM
If you were living in Florida, Applecare wouldn't be a question. We can't get Applecare down here in the Sunshine state.

I think Applecare can serve a purpose, but many manufacturers including HP not only offer extended warranty coverage on manufacturer defects, but also accidental coverage which includes LCD replacement. Office Depot also sells an extended warranty plan through their store that includes accidental coverage for your machine and up to 2 or peripherals that are attached to it, like a printer or scanner. The plans vary based on the price you paid for your system.

If I were Apple I'd sure hate it every time I had to take apart the iBook, because the design is so complex! I downloaded the servicing manual on my HP and taking that system apart is much easier and less time consuming based on the instructions I've seen.

sw1tcher
May 21, 2005, 01:12 AM
If I was Apple, I would've replace the thing already. The shipping, all the replacements parts, and the labor that went into it must have cost them as much as a new iBook by now. It would be cheaper for Apple to just replace the damn thing.

bammac
May 26, 2005, 09:01 AM
The biggest problem that I have had is that I never get a straight answer from anyone regarding my faulty PB. I have already read a few threads regarding Apple Australia's level of customer service, and they are pretty much bang on the mark.

I'm not going to get into the finer details of it all, surfice to that in a nut shell it goes like this:

1. Call 133 622 (MAC)
2. Go through a maze of IVR's just to get through to customer service
3. Get transferred to India where I try to explain a complex issue to a person that can barely understand the language I am speaking. Even if they could the phone line quality ensures that any form of communication is nigh on impossible.
4. I hang up
5. I fire off an email
6. I get a call from Apple stating they are onto the issue and will call me in a few hours to confirm.
7. After day 2 of waiting for a reponse?.....please go to step 1.

Like gambling, Apple Customer Service has a vicious cycle....

shambolic
May 26, 2005, 09:33 AM
My own experience..

I purchased Applecare when my iBook was about nine months old, at which point it had one logic board replacement already.

The day after I activated the Applecare, the Logic Board Extension Program began. Some timing - the only reason I stumped up the cash for the Applecare was to protect myself against a recurrence of that issue! :rolleyes:

Two days after that (Feb '04), the logic board failed for a second time. In it went for replacement, and due to a combination of ineptness on the part of DHL/Airborne and a lack of logic boards at the Apple repair center, I was away from my computer for almost three weeks.

Four months after that, a third failure. No replacement offered. In it went for another repair. Shouldn't happen again, I was told.

Another five months, the fourth failure. This time I called Customer Relations directly, tried to be calm but direct ("can't rely on this machine", that sort of thing) and for a while, it looked like a replacement would be issued, but no, instead I was given the "we have a new supplier, it shouldn't happen again" spiel. I have however been promised that if it happens again, a replacement will finally be given to me, with a direct line to the Customer Relations agent who dealt with my case before.

If it comes to that, hopefully he still works at Apple... ;)

In the meantime though, I too have upgraded to a 15" Powerbook (which has its own problems - fried lower memory slot, but that's another story), and the iBook gets much less usage as a result - which in turn will probably save Apple the cost of replacing it (as I suspect that heavy usage causes the logic board to get fried). They should thank me for that..

The moral of the story, though, is that I agree with Dogfood1: even with Applecare, getting a lemon replaced is no easy process...

tangerineyum
May 26, 2005, 10:45 AM
I sympethize wit heveryone on the board, I think if you have a lemon, it should be replaced. But i have to defend apple just a little bit, becuase im a stupid kid and they helped me out of a jam. First let me list the number of replacements i have had on my ibook, all covered by apple care no questions asked.

Logic board
HD failure
2nd Logic board failure
As a result of a poorly installed HD, i had a 2 inch crack forming over the HD on the palm rest. Because of an over large screw.
Combo drive replacement
Another combo drive

My applecare officially ended on may the 22nd, i took it in on monday the 23rd thinking i had until the 25th, regarding that last combo drive. After some careful explaing that i thought i had till the 25th and the fact that the combo drive failure occured on a sunday night and i would not have been able to take it to any retailer to have it fixed. Apple issued me a CS code that i could provide to any Apple authorized reseller, that would extend my applecare by one day so that i could get it fixed for free under the program. To have to replace the combo drive on my own with parts and labor comes to a little over $400. Hardly worth it as my lowly 700Mhz G3, maxed out or not is barely worth $600 to an unsuspecting buyer and maybe $450-500 to some one who knows their macs. One 30 minute call, and an understanding representative has so far been the highlight of my week.

Moxiemike
May 26, 2005, 10:54 AM
My wife's video unit on her logic board has fried again. They replace the whole thing since the component is integrated into the board itself. This is the FIFTH one to go. So she will need a SIXTH logic board replacement.

Each time Apple replaces the unit for free (by shipping it someplace for a few days), but they refuse to replace the laptop. Well, I was told by about the 4th time we would get a replacement only to find out that their policy is never to replace it. I was told this by tier-2.

We didn't buy AppleCare with that thing. If we would have paid the $300 or so, I was told Apple would have REPLACED the whole iBook, with a new model, a long, long time ago. But since we didn't, we have to go this process of giving them the iBook, they ship it away, fix it, then ship it back. Ad naseum? Yes its our fault, but no laptop should need this many board replacements, ever.

So I ask you, shouldn't Apple at some point realize that this iBook is a lemon and replace it out of good faith? Shouldn't they allow us to buy AppleCare for this thing so we did get a new one?

I mean, come on... this is disgusting Customer Relations. If we don't get a new iBook this time around, my wife is simply going to get a PC laptop. :eek: :eek:

You should always buy Applecare. Lemon or not, apple has their rules, and I bet Sony, Dell, HP or Compaq has similar policies. ;)

I had a G3 333 laptop, logic board fried. Had applecare. Got a tiBook 667, which was the equivalent machine at the time. :) When the hinges on that broke, under applecare as well, they fixed them for free.

Finally, I sold the tibook 667 and recouped $1000 2 years back. Got a 12" Powerbook 1ghz and it's been ok, but I wish i had applecare on it for several issues recurring.

I was talking to my dad and he asked why i don't just take it in under Applecare. I said, flatly, "I stupidly didn't buy it this time. Wanted to save $300."

He asked if I thought about PCs and I said "well, i'm not going to let my stupidity on one issue sour my opinion on Apple. I didn't buy the care, I pay the price"

You should realize that you're in the same boat. And even with some service plan on a PC, I highly doubt they'd replaced it. So good luck when you get that Sony or Toshiba you're eyeing to replace the ibook. :)

Hopefully, you've learned a lesson from this situation, and sadly, that's about all you're going to "get".

No free ibook. No replacement. Nothing. No applecare? They don't care. And that's frankly within their rights. If they replaced every person's ibook who's had difficultly, we wouldn't have Apple.

Sure, companies these days are lame on certain policies. Apple is 'bout the best of the bunch, and surely, they're good within their applecare policies. I mean, hell, Applecare just fixed a faulty SECOND PARTY (maxtor) hard drive on my G5. Go Apple! ;)

bug
May 27, 2005, 06:33 PM
But have still not been able to enroll it. Long story, I posted my complaint already. Basically I bought my powerbook from the apple store and after calling them 4 times (and an epic of emails) they still haven't sorted my situation out and I am still unable to enroll (first they didn't believe my postal code was correct, then they didn't believe I bought the monitor with the computer - even though it was purchased from their store and I have all the order numbers to prove it, etc, etc - I don't feel like typing out my whole story again).

Anyway, it would be very hard to convince me that Apple support doesn't completely suck. Yes, I've seen the numbers, no need to post the stats to show me why I'm wrong.

...in contrast, I had dust in my BenQ projector (that's right, just some dust) and they sent me a new projector NO QUESTIONS ASKED - they offered to do that immediately when I was just asking them if there was some way I could clean it. They didn't even demand that I send mine back until I received the new one - so I didn't even go for an hour without a projector. That is customer service.

Apple reps have been rude with me, and I have had more trouble with their products needing service than any other company (and I have had lots of PCs). Yes, again, I've seen the stats, I have bad luck - doesn't make me feel any better about them.

I just can't kick the addiction though - their stuff is too good (when it works) - so now I only buy their products from stores locally that will deal with Apple on my behalf. Works out so far....

calyxman
May 27, 2005, 07:28 PM
I still stand by my view about the iBook: avoid it like the plague. Even though I have a G3 and knock on wood no logic board issues have popped up, I would never own another iBook. It's just too much trouble.

Crikey
May 27, 2005, 08:35 PM
I still stand by my view about the iBook: avoid it like the plague. Even though I have a G3 and knock on wood no logic board issues have popped up, I would never own another iBook. It's just too much trouble.

I heard about all the problems people had with the G3 iBook, and was concerned that the G4s don't look much different on the outside. But I haven't heard about any chronic problems with the G4 iBooks, and I think they are a great deal for what you get. I'm kinda thinking about buying one to do audio recording on location (and all the other portable computing stuff).

Is there something I don't know about the G4 iBooks?


Crikey

calyxman
May 28, 2005, 08:45 AM
The logic board designs are similar for the G3 and G4. You also still run into the problem with the backlight wire running through the hinge in a way that will cause it to wear out fast. The HD as always sits right on top of the logic board.

And taking apart the iBook is a painstaking process. I don't mind the overall design and aesthetics, but when so much versatility is sacrificed for that design then I begin to lose interest. I went through a lot of trouble with my 'book. I don't plan on going through the same thing again.

G4 i Book logic board failures have occurred, just do a search on google, and Apple doesn't cover the G4's under the extended warranty program.

I wanted to get a new Powerbook on my last notebook purchase, but I refused to pay $2000 for a 15" notebook. That's why I got an HP.

njmac
May 28, 2005, 09:10 AM
I bought my PB G4 1GHz at an Apple Store. As I was checking out, the guy tried to sell me Apple Care, I said "no, not right now" he said "well, how about I sell it to you now for $199.00?" OK, sold.

I felt like a sucker for the past year and a half, until this week. My DC board needed to be replaced. The cost for me was free, but the bill would have been $350.00 w/o AppleCare.

The only thing I'm kind of unhappy with is the bad DC board made my battery go from 90% to 20% in one week and they didn't replace my battery. So now I must shell out $120 for a new battery.

BTW, I was really impressed that I brought my PB in on Tues. morning for repair, and it arrived fixed at my house on thursday!

OnceUGoMac
May 28, 2005, 10:48 AM
[QUOTE=gandalf55]We didn't buy AppleCare with that thing. If we would have paid the $300 or so, I was told Apple would have REPLACED the whole iBook, with a new model, a long, long time ago. But since we didn't, we have to go this process of giving them the iBook, they ship it away, fix it, then ship it back. Ad naseum? Yes its our fault, but no laptop should need this many board replacements, ever.[QUOTE]

Part of me wants to laugh like Nelson from The Simpsons , but I'll just leave my comment as the following: That's why I tell people to get Apple Care. People always dismiss it, until they need it. Then, they blame Apple as being mean because they won't give them what they give the people who paid for Apple Care.

marchcapital
Mar 12, 2006, 10:27 PM
I heard about all the problems people had with the G3 iBook, and was concerned that the G4s don't look much different on the outside. But I haven't heard about any chronic problems with the G4 iBooks, and I think they are a great deal for what you get. I'm kinda thinking about buying one to do audio recording on location (and all the other portable computing stuff).

Is there something I don't know about the G4 iBooks?


Crikey

YES. DO NOT BUY!! i have had my ibook for 17.5 days and everyday since i recieved it, it has froze once, somtimes twice. i have lost progress on endless amounts of reports. and to top it all off, the case around the keyboard is coming loose. i am getting a call tomorrow from a superviser which i plan to explain the situation and tell him that he sold me a lemon!

lamina
Mar 12, 2006, 11:42 PM
I work at an educational Apple retailer and one of the employees there has an iMac (the one released just before the Intel) and has had 2 logicboard replacements. After he had a frank discussion with the Apple customer relations people, he was given a brand new Intel iMac.

Having your laptop fixed that many times is a total waste. You buy a product to be able to use it, not to use it for a few weeks and wait for it to return from the repair depot.

munkees
Mar 13, 2006, 01:21 AM
On my iBook G3, I got the HD replaced and then the logic board, work great since, but I did purchase applecare.

When i purchased my iMac 20" DC intel, I paid 85 euro about $100 bucks for the 3 year applecare.

spaceballl
Mar 13, 2006, 01:48 AM
So this might make you mad...

But a while back, I bought a G3 iBook off eBay for $800 shipped. It had 3 logic board repairs and after a 3rd one, they replaced my laptop with a new one, free of charge. I also told them I had extra RAM in it and such so i'm on a G4 w/ 768mb RAM, 1.2 ghz, 100gb 12" laptop because a few years ago I paid $800 for a used G3 on eBay...

This one has already had two sets of repairs.. I'm hoping that it breaks a couple more times and I ge a new intel iBook in a year or so :).

Man i'm a good talker...

generik
Mar 13, 2006, 02:43 AM
Just curious, how do you guys use your iBooks to get so many dead logic boards? As hard as it is to believe, in my so many years of using my own self assembled PCs, I have yet to encounter *ONE* dead/burnt out logic board/component.

Zero.

Not even one.

And I leave my machines on about 10-12 hours a day, in some cases even 24/7.


So, the moral is, don't feel bad, at least they're really good about fixing it, and you didn't have to pay for Apple Care! Apple is still great about repairing and returning - usually less than 3 days, and remember, it's still a Mac. I'm pretty sure that a 2-year-old Sony or Toshiba laptop that had similar issues would be tossed in the trash, its guts full of spyware and viruses.


Just to shatter some delusions, but "spyware and viruses" are software, much like the crud you have in your head. The "guts" of any laptop is hardware FYI.

California
Mar 13, 2006, 04:50 AM
YES. DO NOT BUY!! i have had my ibook for 17.5 days and everyday since i recieved it, it has froze once, somtimes twice. i have lost progress on endless amounts of reports. and to top it all off, the case around the keyboard is coming loose. i am getting a call tomorrow from a superviser which i plan to explain the situation and tell him that he sold me a lemon!

Hey did you notice that this thread is FROM 2005? Y'all knew that, right?

And I just noticed I was one of the first responders. I sold that PB last summer.

Anyway, the iBooks are great. I don't know what you guys are griping about. The old G3s had problems, maybe the first rev G4s, but the last revs are killer. It'll be curoius to see if they keep the dual 14/12" form factor or squeeze it into a 13 incher.

And Applecare has ALWAYS been TOTALLY worth it for me. Someone asked last year how I got a new Tibook -- well they replaced the logic board, topcase, hard drive, keyboard, bottomcase, ac adapter -- and that baby is now been upgraded by Daystar from 400 to 550mhz with a combo drive and faster hard drive and still runs like a champ for my friend on Tiger. Thanks Apple for going on FIVE years with one great PB.

generik
Mar 13, 2006, 05:23 AM
I'd be most concerned if I *need* to shell out an additional 30% on the preagreed price of my Mac just to keep it running for longer than a year.

All these talk about toasted logic boards really bothers me, seems like Apple engineers their products to fail within a certain time frame.

California
Mar 13, 2006, 08:24 PM
I'd be most concerned if I *need* to shell out an additional 30% on the preagreed price of my Mac just to keep it running for longer than a year.

All these talk about toasted logic boards really bothers me, seems like Apple engineers their products to fail within a certain time frame.

Actually, the reason they replaced my logic board was that I was on the phone with them while trying to put in more ram. While on the line with the Applecare guy, I broke off the little white ram holders.

Guess what? I needed a whole new logic board. And because I was on the phone with the guy, Apple replaced it for me under warranty.

So, sorry, Applecare totally worth it for me. The logic board was fine until I messed with the memory. I was really sacred; first time opening up a computer.

spaceballl
Mar 13, 2006, 08:51 PM
I broke off the little white ram holders.
I mean plees...

skubish
Mar 13, 2006, 09:29 PM
My wife's video unit on her logic board has fried again. They replace the whole thing since the component is integrated into the board itself. This is the FIFTH one to go. So she will need a SIXTH logic board replacement.

Each time Apple replaces the unit for free (by shipping it someplace for a few days), but they refuse to replace the laptop. Well, I was told by about the 4th time we would get a replacement only to find out that their policy is never to replace it. I was told this by tier-2.

We didn't buy AppleCare with that thing. If we would have paid the $300 or so, I was told Apple would have REPLACED the whole iBook, with a new model, a long, long time ago. But since we didn't, we have to go this process of giving them the iBook, they ship it away, fix it, then ship it back. Ad naseum? Yes its our fault, but no laptop should need this many board replacements, ever.

So I ask you, shouldn't Apple at some point realize that this iBook is a lemon and replace it out of good faith? Shouldn't they allow us to buy AppleCare for this thing so we did get a new one?

I mean, come on... this is disgusting Customer Relations. If we don't get a new iBook this time around, my wife is simply going to get a PC laptop. :eek: :eek:

My advice is to get it fixed and then sell it on eBay while it is working. Then buy yourself a new laptop. Sometimes it just isn't worth the trouble.

drake
Mar 13, 2006, 09:29 PM
Thought most US States had lemon laws. You should use them. Try contacting the FTC here:

http://www.ftc.gov/ftc/consumer.htm

The more I hear about these Macs, the more I think Steve Jobs is a demented hippy and I should avoid his products.

emmawu
Mar 13, 2006, 09:44 PM
I had a problem with a refurbed Macmini and wrote to Steve Jobs at sjobs@apple.com. Not only did I get a reply from upper management, but got a BRAND NEW Macmini. I'm happy.

marchcapital
Mar 13, 2006, 09:56 PM
apple customer relations are not as bad as i first thought. i have been having alot of trouble with my ibook freezing ever since i recieved it 19 days ago. i have been on the phone with tech specialists for hours but with no avail. so i asked to get transfered to customer relations, hesitantly the tech guy obliged. the lady at ACR told me there is nothing she can do but will escalate the issue and a superviser will call me either friday or for sure monday, so i was satisfied and decided just to wait and not push the issue. i waited tell monday afternoon, still no call. by now i was livid, as you can probably imagine. i called up ACR again and the same lady answers the phone. i told her who i was, then just as i was going to give her the verbal beating of a life time, she said calmly, "Devin, we have decided to replace your iBook." i was dumb founded and absolutly beside myself. i didnt no what to say so i just thanked her and she told me someone will contact me in a few minutes with the details.

i was so suprised at how little argueing i had to do.

drake
Mar 13, 2006, 10:10 PM
That's another good approach. Work your way up. I had trouble getting anyone from Canon to respond regarding a very expensive "L" lens I sent for repair a month eariler (no one was ever available to "take your call" for TWO WEEKS! Seriously!). I finally gave up and wrote to the President of the company and faxed it in. Got a reply from the repair depoit within the hour saying they'd fast track it. As it turned out, a week later, they admited they lost the lens and would send me a refund. The point of the story is, always head to the top if your not getting satisfaction.

bodeh6
Mar 13, 2006, 10:30 PM
I have not had any problems with my 7 month old iBook. I plan on getting AppleCare in the summer time to extend the warrenty. With portables you always need extended warranties.

To the OP, I would look at Apple's lemon policy. If they have to fix the same problem x many times, they have to give you a new computer.

Kaiser Phoenix
Mar 13, 2006, 11:39 PM
Customer service of Sony in Japan was really impressive for me. My Sony vaios motherboard failed so I called customer service and they sent a box and some packing materials for me to pack it in. Then the next day, this guy came to pick it up. 2 days later he came back with the laptop totally fixed.

Thats what I call excellent customer service. All this ofcourse without paying a single cent! And you shouldnt be!!

California
Mar 14, 2006, 01:38 AM
I mean plees...

I don't get your response -- I did break off the little memory ram holders...

and as they are soldered to the logic board, you must replace the whoie board. I noticed the new board had metal ram holders on it, so my rev A Tibook was updated and great after that.

ibooksux
Mar 15, 2006, 08:42 PM
I am having my second bout with the infamous logic board problem. My comp has had kernel errors a couple times in the past couple months and has been "acting strange." (Its been slow, freezes from time to time, etc.)

The logic board was replaced in January 2005 and my Applecare expired in November 2005. And yesterday, my screen went black.... I called Apple only to be told that they cant do anything since I have no Apple care. They guy said "we cant just keep replacing these things." What?!?

It is sad as I was almost a Mac convert. You see, this computer technically belongs to my wife. I've been a PC user all my life, and recently I found myself lusting after a Macbook as my next comp, but I cant justify the risk. The risk being that the logic board will be badly engineered and will also have problems.

After learning a bit about BGAs I do believe this iBook issue is a case of bad engineering. The Chip and the board it is soldered on must have matched thermal properties otherwise, you have one expanding (from heat) faster than the othr and eventually the solder points get weakened, which is what happened (and is happening) to the iBook logic boards.

the only way to tell Apple that we want a resolution (besides writing to sjobs, which I did (let's see what he says), is with our money. But as Mac people are so fanatic about Apple and wont consider buying PC, this will never happen, and Apple can keep acting in arrogance forever. Count me out.

jjg
Jan 11, 2008, 12:41 PM
1.9Ghz iMac G5 bought at the end of 2005 with only the standard 1 year warranty on it.
It failed due to a "fault with the logic board" in late 2007, just before its 2nd birthday with us (mother-in-law actually).

On investigation, it's serial number was not covered in the acknowledged faulty board range, so I embarked on a mission to persuade Apple to acknowledge that other boards of theirs were faulty, ie, Mother-in-Law only checks emails and does basic word processing, and all of a sudden this machine which should have provided years of trouble free service (the very reason we persuaded her to buy it) fails, and the cost to fix it was the same as a brand new one!

Predictably, Apple weren't going to budge, and after talking to manager after manager and emailing Steve Jobs, I gave up that line.

I then contacted the suppliers and distributers in NZ (there's not many) who only refered me back to Apple support.

Not yet even close to giving up, as I was completely fuming, (M-I-L bought a PC as this saga stretched out over a couple of months) I investigated my consumer rights. Now here's the thing, In NZ (and probably in most highly regulated countries) we have something called the Consumer Guarantees Act. Essentially, this says that 'goods and equipment, bought for a specific purpose, must be fit for that purpose for a reasonable period of time'.

And so it was that I went back to the large electronics/furnature store that I bought it from, with this piece of information, to which I got an immediate response that they take these matters very seriously and within a week they had aggreed to fix it (having previously not claimed any liability and directed me to Applecare).

It has now been fixed and returned to us, and we will sell it on. Unfortunately for Mac their stance has alienated M-I-L who was intrepid in the first place, and stopped my wife and I espousing their virtues to others. All-in-all a very bad piece of PR from Apple.

So, essentially, if you get no joy from Apple, check out your consumer rights and take it to the people who sold you the thing.

As an aside, the NZ Consumer Rights suggests that you needn't ever buy the 'extra extended warranty cover' for anything as you will be covered by the Act.

Jeff