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the8thark
Jan 5, 2012, 07:52 AM
I rarely if ever post outside the daily rumours topics. But I wrote this in one of these daily rumour topics and felt this deserved it's own topic.

The major problem here is the article writers here at MacRumors and most of the readers hear a rumour and they only see one side of it. The side they want to see. "We want an Apple television set so this rumour has to be about an Apple television set". It could be about TV or something else. Just one example. But there are many.

One thing we all "should" know about Apple by now is to expect the unexpected. A rumour might not be what you want it to be. But it might be too. Everyone here needs to understand this:

Rumours here are just a possibility of future Apple dealings. They most times are pretty open ended and have a large scope for possible applications. Pigeonholing them into one thing or another is turning a blind eye to other options or aspects that rumours could be.

So I say to the article writers here and to most of the readers, take off your "I want a rumour to be this or that" glasses, have an open mind and try to understand that rumours might not be exactly what you want them to be.

And this is a good thing. Because if all rumours turned out to be what the people here wanted, then we'd not have the amazing products Apple has delivered to us and will keep delivering to us.

The quoted part is what I said in the other topic. And I do feel this is what is wrong with MacRumors. There is many things right about MacRumors I will say too.

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Link to the original post with this quote in it.
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=14112058&posted=1#post14112058

MacDawg
Jan 5, 2012, 08:09 AM
I'm not sure I understand the criticism completely
This is a rumor site and a community of enthusiasts (pro and con) who all have varying degrees of interest

Rumors are just that, rumors (or rumours if you prefer) :)
And I think most realize that and discuss accordingly
Sure, we all have our preferences and perspective
But prognostication is a part of the rumor business isn't it?
And part of the fun... "I was RIGHT!! I rock!" or "You were waaaaay off, you suck!!"

Anyway, I try not to take anything here too seriously
It is the internet after all

miles01110
Jan 5, 2012, 08:15 AM
I'm not sure I understand the criticism completely


I'm positive I don't understand the quoted portion at all. All I got out of it is that rumors might not come true. Duh?

maflynn
Jan 5, 2012, 08:15 AM
So I say to the article writers here and to most of the readers, take off your "I want a rumour to be this or that" glasses, have an open mind and try to understand that rumours might not be exactly what you want them to be.

I'm not sure what your point is, do you mind refining or explaining it. As MacDawg pointed out rumors are just that.


What does an open mind have to do with reporting a given rumor?

Macman45
Jan 5, 2012, 08:22 AM
I'm positive I don't understand the quoted portion at all. All I got out of it is that rumors might not come true. Duh?

I don't get it at all?:confused:

soco
Jan 5, 2012, 08:39 AM
I think the OP is suggesting that arn & co. shoehorn industry discussions and rumors to be Apple-related when it's possible they would have otherwise not been.

For example, let's say a Korean forum has a post with a leaked part number for a 7" screen from Random Research Inc. The OP is suggesting that instead of letting this story be what it is on the surface, just a story about some company having a leak of their new 7" screens, MacRumors will shoehorn some sort of Apple relation into it. Maybe suggesting that the screen is the size that's rumored to be on the new iPad mini and that subsequently, Random Research Inc. is going to produce them.

This turns into a story a week later that Random Research Inc.'s production manager was reported to leak info that the 7" screens, previously rumored to be the new iPad mini screens (but really never having had anything to do with Apple), are set to ship for new products around Q2 2012. Just in time for the rumored iPad mini announcement!?!? In the end, this screen turns out to just be your run-of-the-mill 7" tablet screen not made for anything in particular or made specifically for a future Android tablet.

Look, my point is I think the OP is off-point and I don't buy any of this. I think the news community can sometimes see a lot more than is really there for the sake of having something to write, sure. All news, technology-related or not, does that from time to time. But MacRumors in particular isn't guilty of what I think the OP is suggesting.

tl;dr: OP is suggesting MacRumors forces vague industry discussion to be Apple-related just for the sake of writing soemthing. OP is wrong.

Macman45
Jan 5, 2012, 08:49 AM
Agreed, if that's what he means. still a little confusing:)

SandboxGeneral
Jan 5, 2012, 09:09 AM
I think that the writers of the articles do a fair job of reporting the rumors as they come out and oft times add that "grain of salt" with them based on questionable credibility of the source. Which to me says, that the writers are not slanting the piece to make it sound like they want it to be a certain way.

I find the articles to be quite factually written, as far as a rumor can go, and not opinionated; and I like that style of reporting.

So I have to disagree with the OP on his analysis of the article writing here.

ejb190
Jan 5, 2012, 10:25 AM
I think the OP is suggesting that arn & co. shoehorn industry discussions and rumors to be Apple-related when it's possible they would have otherwise not been.
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tl;dr: OP is suggesting MacRumors forces vague industry discussion to be Apple-related just for the sake of writing soemthing. OP is wrong.

I think soco sums it up very well. But I'm not so sure the OP is wrong. But to confuse matters more, even if the OP is right, I'm not sure the tech media is wrong for adding speculation and conjecture to their articles. To me half the fun of following technology is to dream about I want in a new device. The other half is watching out for the unexpected - the things I didn't expect or figure were even possible.

Apple has a wonderful reputation of creating products that we didn't even know we needed. Go back to the archives and look at the threads about the original iPod, iPhone, and iPad. Some of the posters were harsh. But on occasion, Apple does exactly what we expect. The camera on the iPhone 4s, for instance.

But what these technology writers do for us is ground our dreams in reality, showing us where the cutting edge is and where the technology is heading. Wether Apple or some other company decides to use that technology exactly the way we expect or if they pull some unknown rabbit out of their hat is what keeps me following technology in general and Apple specifically.

arn
Jan 5, 2012, 12:21 PM
Broadly, the original poster may have a point, but in specifics, he is wrong.

Let's pull the post from context: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=14112058&posted=1#post14112058 which is talking about this 50" Apple television story: http://www.macrumors.com/2012/01/04/apple-reportedly-working-on-42-televisions-as-content-talks-remain-stalled/

The original poster claims this:
Nothing here even slightly suggests that this is defiantly [sic] a television set rumour. I take it as a TV rumour that everyone thinks is about a television set.


The original poster is simply wrong. The USA Today article is about an Apple television set, not an improved Apple TV. http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/story/2012-01-03/apple-tv-CES/52364952/1

So, the MacRumors article is an accurate representation of the USA Today article. So there's no unwarranted speculation/bias from the MR author at all.

Now, you could argue that the USA Today article introduces this bias/speculation, but it's clearly not.

from USA Today:
Apple is said to be looking at a 42-inch or larger LCD TV with built-in Wi-Fi. Inside the locked-down studio of Jonathan Ive, senior vice president of industrial design at Apple, there's a slick 50-inch TV, according to the source who worked at Apple.


Eric and I briefly discussed the possibility that their source was just saying there was a non-Apple 50" TV in Apple's labs... but decided that would be an absurd interpretation, making the quote entirely useless. Based on context, it's clear that they are talking about a 50" Apple-made television set.

bottom line: original poster may have a point, but that point is lost/wrong in the example given.

arn

marzer
Jan 5, 2012, 01:08 PM
So where does the endless interpretation of all the probabilities end?

An author could write for pages on what a 50" TV in an Apple exec's office could actually mean, as example. Droning on and on, aimlessly, unintelligibly without logical grounding or scope of plausible reality…oh wait…that would be the reply with comments section of the articles. :eek: