Anyone else get a Developer Transition Kit?

[jsw]

Mine has been ordered. I for one am excited about the Intel news and look forward to some cool new products....

[wdlove]

Mine has been ordered. I for one am excited about the Intel news and look forward to some cool new products....

No, I'm a non paying member of ADC. Are you a member that will be receiving the $999 Pentium along with your kit? If so that would put you at the vanguard of the transition. Thanks for your willing to assist in this awesome project.

[desenso]

Lucky boy.

[jsw]

No, I'm a non paying member of ADC. Are you a member that will be receiving the $999 Pentium along with your kit? If so that would put you at the vanguard of the transition. Thanks for your willing to assist in this awesome project.
Yes. It's been years since I've been on the bleeding edge (long enough to forget how much that can hurt), so I figured "what the heck" and ordered one. I was going to get a 17" PB, but I don't see that happening soon, so I went with the Dev kit.

Of course, I'll let everyone know how it works out (within the fairly restrictive bounds of the agreement Apple presents before the purchase).

[aswitcher]

So what hardware exactly do you get? Is it like a Macmini with an intel chip?

[jsw]

So what hardware exactly do you get? Is it like a Macmini with an intel chip?
They don't say. Since it's only US$999, my guess is that you get an Intel CPU and (at Apple's prices) a 32MB stick of RAM in a plastic baggie, along with double-sided tape to use to stick it to your monitor while you program using XCode 2.1, which is free.

Whenever it arrives, I'll let you know. Hopefully, at least, it'll be one of those zip-lock baggies, not the cheap ones.

[sk8erboy]

Mine has been ordered. I for one am excited about the Intel news and look forward to some cool new products....

and that is?? :eek:

[jsw]

and that is?? :eek:
??

Not sure what you mean. I don't know what the new Macs will be like, but I look forward to them, and to being more able to compete head-to-head with Windows.

[ITASOR]

Wait wait wait. You just spent $999 and have no clue what-so-ever about what you're getting? Is it a computer like a G5, a laptop, just inards to put into an existing computer? WHAT IS IT? :confused: :confused: :confused:

[jsw]

Wait wait wait. You just spent $999 and have no clue what-so-ever about what you're getting? Is it a computer like a G5, a laptop, just inards to put into an existing computer? WHAT IS IT? :confused: :confused: :confused:
Like I said, it's been a while since I've taken a leap. I'll take one for the team and let you know. I'm guessing it looks like an ugly low-end PC.

[slooksterPSV]

I hate to say it, but maybe this is a better move for apple. But will we all be on the forums going - Well on my first partition I have Tiger and on my second Windows XP ????

[jsw]

I hate to say it, but maybe this is a better move for apple. But will we all be on the forums going - Well on my first partition I have Tiger and on my second Windows XP ????
Those of us (not me) who use Virtual PC might do just that.

If it is possible to install Windows on the same hardware as OS X (or, to the same end, to install some wicked-fast version of VPC), I don't see that as a bad thing for Mac sales.

[Sun Baked]

Wait wait wait. You just spent $999 and have no clue what-so-ever about what you're getting? Is it a computer like a G5, a laptop, just inards to put into an existing computer? WHAT IS IT? :confused: :confused: :confused:Most likely a Intel board in a PowerMac case.

Just watch it'll probably be a G4 MDD case... :eek:

[yoda13]

that would be too cool, if if were the MDD case.

[neonart]

I'm dying to know what the specs are on these developer machines!

[MacSA]

Thank god someone still has faith in Apple :) ......... reading these forums for the last hour has given me a headache.....too many "experts" and emotionaly hysterical people. :rolleyes:

[bidge]

It is A 3.6Ghz P4 in a current G5 PowerMac case. It also has to be given back to apple at the end of 2006. I was going to buy one, but not if I had to give it back :(

I also want to know more about the specs of the machine. I'm sure we'll hear about them when some developers start getting them.

[Maxiseller]

Thank god someone still has faith in Apple :) ......... reading these forums for the last hour has given me a headache.....too many "experts" and emotionaly hysterical people. :rolleyes:

I know what you mean!

I still have faith - and I'm going to be keeping my iBook for the duration of the transition. I've unfortunately got to purchase a Windows computer however as I'm unwilling to upgrade my desktop to a new powermac after this announcement. Still, Ill ride the rapids, and hop back on in a couple of years.

[crap freakboy]

It is A 3.6Ghz P4 in a current G5 PowerMac case. It also has to be given back to apple at the end of 2006. I was going to buy one, but not if I had to give it back :(

I also want to know more about the specs of the machine. I'm sure we'll hear about them when some developers start getting them.


you have to give it back??? do you get your money back as well? :)

[bidge]

you have to give it back??? do you get your money back as well? :)


No you won't get your money back. You get the machine for a year and a half and get to make sure your app works.

[ITASOR]

That's a waste of money.

[bidge]

That's a waste of money.

If it means that you know your app will work with the new Intel Macs the day they come out and you make your living off making the application then I wouldn't agree.

If you want one to have a play with to see what it's going to be like, then I would agree with you.

[law guy]

That's a waste of money.

As a business expense goes, $999.00 to get an application (or multiple applications) converted and verified seems very reasonable. Think of it as a lease that helps you MAKE money as a developer. As a non-developer, sure, it doesn't make a lot of sense except as a novelty.

I'm thinking about the $40,000.00 that folks will spend just on the xerox and shipping costs of a legal filing; conference call bills that are several times this systems lease cost, and it seems to me that $999 is a very small cost of entry to again - help a developer MAKE money.

[law guy]

It is A 3.6Ghz P4 in a current G5 PowerMac case. It also has to be given back to apple at the end of 2006. I was going to buy one, but not if I had to give it back :(

I also want to know more about the specs of the machine. I'm sure we'll hear about them when some developers start getting them.

Bidge, as the leases are limited to certain developers, I assume you must be in that group to have the choice. Does it not seem worth it to you to verify your applications? Or just not worth it at this point in time?

[bidge]

Well, I am actually a student, but do some work at an Apple Developer and so could get one if I wanted. To me it would not be worth it...

[wdlove]

Yes. It's been years since I've been on the bleeding edge (long enough to forget how much that can hurt), so I figured "what the heck" and ordered one. I was going to get a 17" PB, but I don't see that happening soon, so I went with the Dev kit.

Of course, I'll let everyone know how it works out (within the fairly restrictive bounds of the agreement Apple presents before the purchase).

I'm excited for you jsw. Won't the NDA prevent you from saying much at least here on the forum. I would appreciate it if you could PM me details, pictures would be awesome. Thank you for whatever you to decide.
;)

[feakbeak]

Those of us (not me) who use Virtual PC might do just that.

If it is possible to install Windows on the same hardware as OS X (or, to the same end, to install some wicked-fast version of VPC), I don't see that as a bad thing for Mac sales.VPC has had to be emulated for the PPC, but with this move to OS X perhaps VMWare will jump in. Hardware virtualization is much faster than emulation. Plus, since Windows doesn't care what x86 hardware you are running I would imagine you could dual-boot. Haven't they been talking about running multiple versions of Windows simultaneously on the new multi-core chips sometime in the not-to-distant future? If that's the case, pheraps you could run OS X and Windows side-by-side on the same box. :)

Whatever turns out - there are certainly going to be a lot more options now that Mac will share the same hardware architecture with the rest of the PC world.

[slooksterPSV]

I'm excited for you jsw. Won't the NDA prevent you from saying much at least here on the forum. I would appreciate it if you could PM me details, pictures would be awesome. Thank you for whatever you to decide.
;)
I'll take a pm too ;)

[bidge]

If you want to add me to the list too...

[puckhead193]

i thought it was G5 case.....

[jsw]

Assuming I keep my order (likely, but I suppose I might cancel it and use the $$ to buy the next PB rev), I'll post whatever details I'm allowed to, and I'll PM those interested with all the information I can.

I'll read the NDA closely, but I suspect that photos of the innards aren't going to be forbidden, and I'm sure I can at least allude to performance.

However, as has been mentioned in many threads, this is just a box to help developers ensure that their code ports. It's not designed to be blisteringly fast. However, if a hacked-together single 3.6GHz P4 comes even close to a dual-G5, I'll be quite impressed.

[bidge]

These were posted on another website somewhere, before you look.

These benchmarks are running under Rosetta! The code that is being run is emulated.

Sorry I had to make it big, what do you think? The person that run the benchmarks forgot that XBench was compiled for PPC, I guess it shows just how transparent Rosetta is. That's pretty impressive.

[*Y*]

Assuming I keep my order (likely, but I suppose I might cancel it and use the $$ to buy the next PB rev), I'll post whatever details I'm allowed to, and I'll PM those interested with all the information I can.

I'll read the NDA closely, but I suspect that photos of the innards aren't going to be forbidden, and I'm sure I can at least allude to performance.

However, as has been mentioned in many threads, this is just a box to help developers ensure that their code ports. It's not designed to be blisteringly fast. However, if a hacked-together single 3.6GHz P4 comes even close to a dual-G5, I'll be quite impressed.

Can You PM me too? Thanks.

[mkrishnan]

These were posted on another website somewhere, before you look.

So, if I'm reading correctly, that machine runs PPC apps under Rosetta at about...what...the speed of a G4/500-600 or so? Not too shabby. A little slower than I thought, but not too shabby.

[CubaTBird]

erm u guys.. if u saw the keynote.. he's getting basically a g5 tower like computer with the p4 inside it...

[bidge]

Yeah, I want more specific details like have apple got their own motherboard? Is the cooling the same as the current cooling, all the little details.

[Platform]

Assuming I keep my order (likely, but I suppose I might cancel it and use the $$ to buy the next PB rev), I'll post whatever details I'm allowed to, and I'll PM those interested with all the information I can.

I'll read the NDA closely, but I suspect that photos of the innards aren't going to be forbidden, and I'm sure I can at least allude to performance.

However, as has been mentioned in many threads, this is just a box to help developers ensure that their code ports. It's not designed to be blisteringly fast. However, if a hacked-together single 3.6GHz P4 comes even close to a dual-G5, I'll be quite impressed.

Yes, please PM me :o :o :D

[Sun Baked]

Yes, please PM me :o :o :DHow about he just prints it on his ass with one of the print on anything inkjets, and just gives us the scoop under the hairy moon.

[admanimal]

Yeah, I want more specific details like have apple got their own motherboard? Is the cooling the same as the current cooling, all the little details.

Well regardless of what is in the developer machines, Steve was pretty clear in pointing out that these will be nothing like the machines Apple releases to the (consumer) public. Unconfirmed reports say that the dev machines are regular PMs tweaked to support P4s.

[Prom1]

Mine has been ordered. I for one am excited about the Intel news and look forward to some cool new products....

Pls add me to the PM list as well. :cool:

Looks like JSW is the person of the hour. JSW, was wondering since your leasing this, and thinking retrospectively with Apple Developer incentives of the past, will Apple assist in promoting your application IF its ready at launch date? I think Apple should be doing this, promoting licensed-compatible MAC OS X software on their site & possibly in print, and or a mention in the next major keynote.

I think the NDA or whatever the agreement is to NOT publish details of the kits performance. Maybe the photos bidge found online was done just after the keynote with Jobs' machine, hehe. Does anyone know with deducing what cpu's Apple is going to get from Intel; or what technology on the Mobo we should hope for? I still am extremely worried, but I think I'll also purchase an iMac G5 revB this summer.

[absolut_mac]

No you won't get your money back. You get the machine for a year and a half and get to make sure your app works.

That seems like a bum deal to me.

The more developers Apple has on board, the greater their chances are of expanding their market share.

IMHO if Steve is really serious about enlarging Apple's market share big time, he should be giving these out for free. Not only would he get more developers on board, but eventually Apple would also benefit from a larger selection of apps and programs for their customers to choose from. A win-win situation in my book :)

[roadapple]

That seems like a bum deal to me.

The more developers Apple has on board, the greater their chances are of expanding their market share.

IMHO if Steve is really serious about enlarging Apple's market share big time, he should be giving these out for free. Not only would he get more developers on board, but eventually Apple would also benefit from a larger selection of apps and programs for their customers to choose from. A win-win situation in my book :)

I think most companies could have spent the $999 debating the cost of one of these systems in their 15 minute group meeting this morning. I'm not too sure that this very minimal cost has any impact on a serious developer, but keeps the mac freaks (you and me) from joining the club just to rent this machine.

[Sun Baked]

$999

It's a nominal amount, most companies can lose far more money in equipment depreciation on machines that they buy for their development team.

Basically it's just an 18 month closed end lease. So you know how much it'll cost you upfront for it's use.

[Mr. G4]

They don't say. Since it's only US$999, my guess is that you get an Intel CPU and (at Apple's prices) a 32MB stick of RAM in a plastic baggie, along with double-sided tape to use to stick it to your monitor while you program using XCode 2.1, which is free.

Whenever it arrives, I'll let you know. Hopefully, at least, it'll be one of those zip-lock baggies, not the cheap ones.

I don't know if you realized but you didn't buy it...you rent it...you have to return it by the end of 2006. I though it's quite expensive for that.

[Phat_Pat]

So JSW.... are you a devoloper?

or you jsut getting it to mess around on....

[Mr. G4]

It is A 3.6Ghz P4 in a current G5 PowerMac case. It also has to be given back to apple at the end of 2006. I was going to buy one, but not if I had to give it back :(

I also want to know more about the specs of the machine. I'm sure we'll hear about them when some developers start getting them.

In the Lab at the WWDC I restarted the Mactel and press on delete to see...and like any Clone Box it went into the Bios...as the processor it says P4 and EM64T. I did some google search and it turn out that it is the Intel technology to address 64 bits memory...however, it should be only available on a Xeon...so may be Apple is working on the next Pentium already.

[szark]

I haven't decided if I'm going to get one yet. I really don't NEED it, as the few little apps I have will convert without a problem.

I'll read the NDA closely, but I suspect that photos of the innards aren't going to be forbidden

That's assuming that Apple doesn't weld the machine shut. :) Maybe I'll head over to the lab tomorrow and see if they'll let us look inside.

Well regardless of what is in the developer machines, Steve was pretty clear in pointing out that these will be nothing like the machines Apple releases to the (consumer) public.

That's probably the main reason why they don't want benchmarks published. The developer systems will give no real indication of final performance, especially since they have another year to continue to optimize Tiger for x86.

[Mr. G4]

Maybe I'll head over to the lab tomorrow and see if they'll let us look inside.

Go to the second floor on the side of O'Reilly stand, third door down I think, there are two of them open.

[LethalWolfe]

That seems like a bum deal to me.

The more developers Apple has on board, the greater their chances are of expanding their market share.

IMHO if Steve is really serious about enlarging Apple's market share big time, he should be giving these out for free. Not only would he get more developers on board, but eventually Apple would also benefit from a larger selection of apps and programs for their customers to choose from. A win-win situation in my book :)

If you make Mac products for a living and you cannot afford to spend $999 to rent a machine for the next year+ to make sure your products run on next gen Macs you should probably take that as a sign that you should do something else for a living.

I can't imagine any commercial companies balking at $999.
Share/freeware guys who code in their basement on the weekends sure, but not people who make their living from the Mac platform.


Lethal

[groovebuster]

If you make Mac products for a living and you cannot afford to spend $999 to rent a machine for the next year+ to make sure your products run on next gen Macs you should probably take that as a sign that you should do something else for a living.
Exactly my thoughts! :)

The same can be said about pro software. I know many people who are bitching about pro software being so expensive... But hey, spending 1500$ for a nice app that you can use for 2 years and make higher revenue with, is nothing compared to the labour costs one person is causing during that time.

There is a reason why there are so called "consumer apps". The number of amateur users who need really an app like Photoshop or FCP is very limited. And if video editing is really a decent hobby of a private user, then so be it that the person has to spend the same as a pro for this app. There are many hobbies in this world that cost way more than e.g. the Adobe CS and nobody is bitching about it. If you pick a hobby you know about the "extra costs" in advance. I always wonder why people feel so different about it when it comes down to computers and software...

groovebuster

[absolut_mac]

If you make Mac products for a living and you cannot afford to spend $999 to rent a machine for the next year+ to make sure your products run on next gen Macs you should probably take that as a sign that you should do something else for a living.

I can't imagine any commercial companies balking at $999.
Share/freeware guys who code in their basement on the weekends sure, but not people who make their living from the Mac platform.


Lethal

I don't disagree with your assessment.

It's just that in my mind Steve's chances of greatly increasing the amount of apps available for his platform, and hence his market share would go up exponentially inversely proportionally to the price of the machine going down.

So a free machine would get some time wasters and weekend tinkers on board, but as already mentioned Apple can easily afford it and the benefits would far outweigh the minor negatives.

[groovebuster]

So a free machine would get some time wasters and weekend tinkers on board, but as already mentioned Apple can easily afford it and the benefits would far outweigh the minor negatives.
And which time wasters and weekend tinkers would qualify for such a machine? This is not feasible. Giving away 1,000 machines would be already 1,000,000 US$. And the machines are probably worth more anyway, since they are from prototype batch production. This is an early stage of development and Apple needs serious developers to make progress with the transition, not people who occasionaly code a little bit or did 2 or 3 useless widgets and only want to brag about that they already have a Mac with an Intel processor...

groovebuster

[jsw]

How about he just prints it on his ass with one of the print on anything inkjets, and just gives us the scoop under the hairy moon.
I'll send those pics to you first... and exclusively.

[jsw]

I don't know if you realized but you didn't buy it...you rent it...you have to return it by the end of 2006. I though it's quite expensive for that.
I understand that (now, although the third eyelid rolled up and the feeding frenzy kicked in when I saw the "Buy" button before watching the keynote).

However, I see $999 as reasonable depreciation for the time (~ a year and a half), and it's worth it to me to (a) hopefully kick-start some development for myself as opposed to my to-remain-nameless employer based in Finland; and (b) to get excited about something new. The last time I had funky hardware like this was when I bought my BeBox in the mid 90's.

[jsw]

So JSW.... are you a devoloper?

or you jsut getting it to mess around on....
I'm a developer, but so far only to the extent that I use my Mac to do Java development for my employer simply to avoid using the laptop they provide (and the endless stream of security updates). Not a gripe about XP, which I actually think is pretty good, but we're still on Win2K and our IT department doesn't let a day go by (seemingly) without some patch.

I've wanted to do other work, even talked to Wes and emw about helping me test my stuff, but Automator has taken the wind out of my main idea, and I'm looking for new ideas now.

Hopefully, with this equipment and a creative burst, I'll finally get the kick-in-the-butt I need to get moving.

[MainFrame23]

That's a waste of money.

I'm not here to flame, but do you have any real concept of what it means to run a business or be a programmer? $1,000 for a computer (or FEW) that you lease and return so you can go ahead and make your programs work

If you're running a multimillion dollar software company, and to be able to sell a product you have to be Intel ready, HOW is spending a few thousand for a temporary computer to make sure your entire product line is market ready a 'WASTE' of money.

Seriously. Just.. think before you post. You obviously don't understand the point of an SDK so just avoid these kind of conversations.

[MainFrame23]

And which time wasters and weekend tinkers would qualify for such a machine? This is not feasible. Giving away 1,000 machines would be already 1,000,000 US$. And the machines are probably worth more anyway, since they are from prototype batch production. This is an early stage of development and Apple needs serious developers to make progress with the transition, not people who occasionaly code a little bit or did 2 or 3 useless widgets and only want to brag about that they already have a Mac with an Intel processor...

Bingo. People think this is there for them to buy with their ******** widgets or crappy programs. I don't code, and don't pretend to. You need to be a Development member (stated in Keynote) and like my friend who tried to buy one, if you're not, you don't get the computer. The spent money is nothing compared to having an Intel ready product.

[jsw]

I'm not here to flame, but do you have any real concept of what it means to run a business or be a programmer? $1,000 for a computer (or FEW) that you lease and return so you can go ahead and make your programs work

If you're running a multimillion dollar software company, and to be able to sell a product you have to be Intel ready, HOW is spending a few thousand for a temporary computer to make sure your entire product line is market ready a 'WASTE' of money.

Seriously. Just.. think before you post. You obviously don't understand the point of an SDK so just avoid these kind of conversations.
I agree (well, obviously).

I'd go farther and point out that the $999 includes support from Apple, which definitely has value in addition to the hardware.

The system Apple provides would, if purchased in a similar configuration, depreciate by a similar amount anyway. It's as though some members think that, if they buy a system, it retains its value 100% for a year and a half. The $999 price is a great deal.

[jsw]

Bingo. People think this is there for them to buy with their ******** widgets or crappy programs.
Oh damn. Maybe I wasted my money. :D

I actually want to explore resolution-independent applications and the apps needed to support the creation of those applications. I've been working on Scalable Vector Graphics (http://svg.org/) for my employer and might see is there's opportunity in that area.

[Mr. G4]

And the machines are probably worth more anyway, since they are from prototype batch production.

If you see the machine you would think otherwise.
3rd party developer doesn't have money. We all though that if the $999 is as a down payment for the next Mactel every 3800 people in the Presidio would get it. By this time next year Apple would have something better to show us and we'll still have about 6 months to test the code on a real machine.

[Mr. G4]

I understand that (now, although the third eyelid rolled up and the feeding frenzy kicked in when I saw the "Buy" button before watching the keynote).

However, I see $999 as reasonable depreciation for the time (~ a year and a half), and it's worth it to me to (a) hopefully kick-start some development for myself as opposed to my to-remain-nameless employer based in Finland; and (b) to get excited about something new. The last time I had funky hardware like this was when I bought my BeBox in the mid 90's.

Oh one more thing unless you are already select or premium member you cannot buy it. So you have to add the membership price on top of that. :)

[jsw]

Oh one more thing unless you are already select or premium member you cannot buy it. So you have to add the membership price on top of that. :)
Well, if you end up buying a "real" Mac within your membership year, and if it's a pro system, you'll easily get your $500 back in the developer discount.

Plus, I got a free T-shirt last week (so did all developers). If you figure that an exclusive Apple Developer t-shirt is worth, oh, $350, then the price for membership is even more reasonable. ;)

[Plymouthbreezer]

jsw, if you don't mind, I'd love a PM as well (and I sorta live near you... :p ).

Ya know, before I get my next Mac (which was going to be next spring), I will probably dish out the $500 for the ADC membership just for the savings I will get on the system.

If this PowerMac is almost as good as a regular G5 (which jsw I hope can fill us in on), then I actually see the $1000 as money well spent. Granted you'll have to give it back, you can use it as a test machine, regular workhorse computer, and a system to install and test builds of Leopard on for a year and a half. So, for $1,500 (assuming you aren't a developer right now), you can get a membership (and the discounts that go with it) and a nifty PowerMac with Intel insides plus support for about the same price you would have to spend to get a 17" iMac G5.

Sounds tempting to me. :cool:

[daveL]

jsw, if you don't mind, I'd love a PM as well (and I sorta live near you... :p ).

Ya know, before I get my next Mac (which was going to be next spring), I will probably dish out the $500 for the ADC membership just for the savings I will get on the system.

If this PowerMac is almost as good as a regular G5 (which jsw I hope can fill us in on), then I actually see the $1000 as money well spent. Granted you'll have to give it back, you can use it as a test machine, regular workhorse computer, and a system to install and test builds of Leopard on for a year and a half. So, for $1,500 (assuming you aren't a developer right now), you can get a membership (and the discounts that go with it) and a nifty PowerMac with Intel insides plus support for about the same price you would have to spend to get a 17" iMac G5.

Sounds tempting to me. :cool:
Just so you know, you don't get the hardware discount until you *renew* your Select membership the second year. So, you have to pay for two years @ $500 per year before you get a developer hardware discount (%20). I used mine last year to purchase my 2.5 GHz G5.

[Sun Baked]

I'll send those pics to you first... and exclusively.As you continue to moon everyone else publically with every post you make. ;)

[Wes]

Good luck with the kit and now that I think about it automator pretty much shafted your idea. I am done with exams but I leave to Greece in six hours for a week; after that I'm free to test any app you want until university starts in October.

[Phobophobia]

Why doesn't someone use Xcode to make a universal binary for one of the benchmark apps? XD

[Wes]

Why doesn't someone use Xcode to make a universal binary for one of the benchmark apps? XD

None of these testers are open source. In good time the devs of these programs should release a universal version of their apps and that's when the real comparisons will happen. It may be quite a complicated port if their apps test the computers at a low level.

[Phobophobia]

None of these testers are open source. In good time the devs of these programs should release a universal version of their apps and that's when the real comparisons will happen. It may be quite a complicated port if their apps test the computers at a low level.

Yeah, I figured we didn't have to source code.

[Plymouthbreezer]

Just so you know, you don't get the hardware discount until you *renew* your Select membership the second year. So, you have to pay for two years @ $500 per year before you get a developer hardware discount (%20). I used mine last year to purchase my 2.5 GHz G5.
Ow... well, that's a big difference... Then again, it's still money off plus lots of other benefits.

[Mr. G4]

Bingo. People think this is there for them to buy with their ******** widgets or crappy programs. I don't code, and don't pretend to. You need to be a Development member (stated in Keynote) and like my friend who tried to buy one, if you're not, you don't get the computer. The spent money is nothing compared to having an Intel ready product.

I don't want to be picky here but if you just you don't need the Mactel to test you widgets...it just works regardless of MacPPC or Mactel...no thing need to be modified.

[ITASOR]

I'm not here to flame, but do you have any real concept of what it means to run a business or be a programmer? $1,000 for a computer (or FEW) that you lease and return so you can go ahead and make your programs work

If you're running a multimillion dollar software company, and to be able to sell a product you have to be Intel ready, HOW is spending a few thousand for a temporary computer to make sure your entire product line is market ready a 'WASTE' of money.

Seriously. Just.. think before you post. You obviously don't understand the point of an SDK so just avoid these kind of conversations.

You're right. I have no clue what I was thinking. :confused: I want one now...lol :(

[lordmac]

Engadget (http://engadget.com/entry/1234000740046045/) just posted a pic of the inside of the mactels they are just g5 tower cases though they appear to be much more roomy without the g5's in there. :) :rolleyes:

[Plymouthbreezer]

Ew, that's ugly. :p

[slooksterPSV]

Think the real versions will be liquid cooled???

[Plymouthbreezer]

Think the real versions will be liquid cooled???
Maybe. The one thing I can tell you is that is will look a lot better when the real version goes on sale. ;)

[neonart]

Engadget (http://engadget.com/entry/1234000740046045/) just posted a pic of the inside of the mactels they are just g5 tower cases though they appear to be much more roomy without the g5's in there. :) :rolleyes:

Maybe we'll get these tiny little Pro machines in the future!

Imagine a G5 about 2 thirds it's current size! It'd be wicked!

[jsw]

En route!

http://www.formymac.com/MR/DHL-Mac.jpg

And I don't care how bad it looks inside - I'll store some CDs, maybe some snacks in there. ;) It's a Mac - you're not supposed to look inside.

[devman]

Just so you know, you don't get the hardware discount until you *renew* your Select membership the second year. So, you have to pay for two years @ $500 per year before you get a developer hardware discount (%20). I used mine last year to purchase my 2.5 GHz G5.

I got my hardware discount in my first year of select membership. I used it to purchase my dual 2.5 and 30" display.

[Plymouthbreezer]

Keep us posted jsw!

;)

[iGary]

The kits are only avilable to select and premier ADC members.

The processor is a 3.6 GHz P4 in a PM G5 enclosure.

$999.00, must return at the end of 2006.