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Jan 17, 2012, 08:49 AM
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Bloomberg reports (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-17/apple-files-german-design-lawsuit-against-ten-samsung-smartphone-models.html) that Apple has filed a new lawsuit in Germany against Samsung, seeking to ban sales of ten different smartphone models over alleged design infringement.Apple Inc. (AAPL) filed another suit in Germany, seeking to ban sales of Samsung Electronics (005930) Co.'s smartphone models, including the Galaxy S Plus and the S II.

The suit targeting 10 smartphones was filed in the Dusseldorf Regional Court and is based on Apple design rights Apple in Europe, court spokesman Peter Schuetz said via phone today. Apple also started a separate suit against five Samsung tablet computer models related to a September ruling banning the Galaxy 10.1., he said.Germany has already been the site of a significant amount of legal action between Apple and Samsung, with Apple winning an injunction (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/09/09/german-injunction-against-sale-of-galaxy-tab-10-1-upheld/) barring the sale of the Galaxy Tab 10.1 in that country. Samsung has apparently circumvented that injunction (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/12/22/german-court-unlikely-to-award-apple-injunction-against-galaxy-tab-10-1n/) with the release of a design-tweaked Galaxy Tab 10.1 for the German market, although Apple continues to press forward with its legal efforts against Samsung's tablets.

Article Link: Apple Files New German Lawsuit Targeting Ten Samsung Smartphones (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/01/17/apple-files-new-german-lawsuit-targeting-ten-samsung-smartphones/)



Xenc
Jan 17, 2012, 08:52 AM
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Another day, another lawsuit.

*LTD*
Jan 17, 2012, 09:03 AM
Apple is pretty committed. Nice to see them keeping up the pressure and consistently following through on their claims.

roadbloc
Jan 17, 2012, 09:07 AM
Yawn. This got a boring a long time ago. Apple needs to stop flogging the dead horse. No-one cares and these lawsuits result in nothing.

reefoid
Jan 17, 2012, 09:35 AM
Apple is pretty committed. Nice to see them keeping up the pressure and consistently following through on their claims.

Following through on their claims? Might help if they could actually win more than they lose/are thrown out. Not sure what the point is either, isn't this the same court that last time round couldn't actually manage to stop sales in Germany even though they wanted to?

*LTD*
Jan 17, 2012, 10:19 AM
Following through on their claims? Might help if they could actually win more than they lose/are thrown out. Not sure what the point is either,

Apple might very well win an injunction again. It costs Apple very little to keep this going, both in terms of resources and in terms of consumer mindshare. It's in their best interests to keep subjecting Samsung's IP and their design decisions to legal tests.

We already know the way Samsung plays the game. They're rip-off artists par excellence. It would be silly to let them get away with it.

Rodimus Prime
Jan 17, 2012, 10:19 AM
And the patent troll known as Apple files another one.
This crossed being about protecting ip a long time ago. Proof of this is in the fact they are doing this now. Just targeting these phones now like when some of them have been for sell for almost a year now.
Apple is running scared and now trying to play dirty.

Dr McKay
Jan 17, 2012, 10:20 AM
Apple is pretty committed. Nice to see them keeping up the pressure and consistently following through on their claims.

And yet if this was Samsung suing Apple, you'd be spouting your usual "Those who can't innovate, litigate".

maril1111
Jan 17, 2012, 10:21 AM
why another one.... hmmm maybe they were bored in the office.

reefoid
Jan 17, 2012, 10:32 AM
Apple might very well win an injunction again. It costs Apple very little to keep this going, both in terms of resources and in terms of consumer mindshare. It's in their best interests to keep subjecting Samsung's IP and their design decisions to legal tests.

We already know the way Samsung plays the game. They're rip-off artists par excellence. It would be silly to let them get away with it.

But the injunction last time meant nothing, Samsung got round it by supplying from non-German sources as the court only had authority to issue an injunction against Samsung Germany.

So what, exactly, is the point of this? It doesn't ultimately stop any sales. Samsung just get on with their business and Apple look like more and more like a litigation company. I can see in 20 years time Apple being a law firm rather than a tech firm:rolleyes:

*LTD*
Jan 17, 2012, 10:34 AM
And yet if this was Samsung suing Apple, you'd be spouting your usual "Those who can't innovate, litigate".

You can't easily litigate against the same entity you are shamelessly ripping off.

This is why Samsung has consistently been on the defensive, while what few of their attacks against Apple have been half-hearted at best.

They even admitted their guilt:


http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=13671894&postcount=1

Samsung just gave what amounts to an admission of guilt.

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/business/2011/10/19/26/0501000000AEN20111019000200320F.HTML

Samsung: Galaxy Nexus designed to avoid Apple patents

“The Galaxy Nexus smartphone, the first handset built using a new version of the Android system called ‘ice cream sandwich,’ is designed to bypass potential legal attacks from Apple Inc., the mobile chief of Samsung Electronics Co. said,” Lee Youkyung reports for Yonhap.

“‘Now we will avoid everything we can and take patents very seriously,’ Shin told reporters Tuesday on the eve of the Galaxy Nexus launch. His comments were embargoed until Wednesday,” Youkyung reports.
Youkyung reports, “Apple secured temporary sales bans on Samsung’s Galaxy Tab tablet computer in Germany and Australia on the argument that it copied the iPad. The injunctions will likely force the Korean firm to miss out on the key holiday sales season in both countries.”

“Patents are very complicated and can be difficult to identify, Shin said, but Samsung tried to ensure that no known patent by Apple is included in the new Android smartphone,” Youkyung reports. “Despite such efforts, he could not say with certainty that the Galaxy Nexus, dubbed by media as Google and Samsung’s answer to the iPhone 4S, would be entirely safe from Apple’s legal offense. ‘We will see if (the Galaxy Nexus) will be 100 percent free,’ from Apple lawsuits, he added.”

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This is gold.

Shin just admitted they have either a) been copying Apple shamelessly the whole time, or b) have no understanding at all about what Intellectual Property means and don't particularly care to find out, or c) both a and b.

So NOW Samsung will respect Apple's patented IP?? How many units have these crooks sold already? They get away with copying and *then* make a late admission of guilt, and tack on a "we hope we'll be in the clear" statement?

Wow.

You can't make this stuff up. You just can't.

reefoid
Jan 17, 2012, 10:37 AM
You can't easily litigate against the same entity you are shamelessly ripping off.

This is why Samsung has consistently been on the defensive, while what few of their attacks against Apple have been half-hearted at best.

They even admitted their guilt:

The only reason Samsung has been on the offensive is because Apple keep chasing them, usually on very spurious claims. How many of Apple's claims have actually been proven? Very few. As they say, throw enough **** and some of it will stick. And Apple certainly seem to enjoy throwing lots of **** around.

samcraig
Jan 17, 2012, 10:42 AM
You can't easily litigate against the same entity you are shamelessly ripping off.

This is why Samsung has consistently been on the defensive, while what few of their attacks against Apple have been half-hearted at best.

They even admitted their guilt:

You have it completely wrong and are stuck in your reality distortion field.

A) they haven't admitted they've copied Apple. Nothing in that cut/paste job you did even suggests that.

B) IP and patents are so vast and complicated that it is EXTREMELY easy to overlap or unknowingly use or create something that has already been patented. Especially since language to too vague.

C) Even if they WERE aware - they might have every intention of challenging patents for being too vague and/or what they seem as not worthy of being patented

D) They haven't admitted to guilt for what YOU think they've admitted to. You seem to think they are admitting that they copy Apple. No - they've admitted nothing of the sort. They've admitted that there have been instances where their products have seemingly used technology that has been patented and that they take THOSE items seriously.

How is this bad? How is a company taking patent offenses seriously a bad thing? Would you prefer they issue statements stating they don't give a crap and Apple can kiss their butts?

blackcrayon
Jan 17, 2012, 10:44 AM
Yawn. This got a boring a long time ago. Apple needs to stop flogging the dead horse. No-one cares and these lawsuits result in nothing.

No one really has to care except the parties involved... You might just as easily complain to MacRumors for reporting it.

*LTD*
Jan 17, 2012, 11:03 AM
Yawn. This got a boring a long time ago. Apple needs to stop flogging the dead horse. No-one cares and these lawsuits result in nothing.

The parties involved certainly care. There are billions of dollars at stake here.

Motorola for instance, in similar litigation, certainly cared:


http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-06/motorola-mobility-s-preliminary-sales-trail-estimates-on-litigation-costs

Motorola Mobility’s Preliminary Sales Trail Estimates on Litigation Costs

Motorola Mobility Inc. (MMI), the phone maker that agreed to be bought by Google (GOOG) Inc., reported preliminary fourth-quarter sales that trailed analysts’ estimates, citing mounting competition and higher legal costs.
Sales were probably little changed at $3.4 billion in the period, Libertyville, Illinois-based Motorola Mobility said in a statement today. Bloomberg analysts had forecast revenue of $4 billion. Motorola, which recently won a German patent ruling against Apple Inc. (AAPL), cited higher costs from intellectual property litigation and an “increased competitive environment” in the mobile-device market in the quarter.

The handset maker said it shipped about 10.5 million devices during the period, of which more than half were smartphones.

The company said it expects to complete its transaction with Mountain View, California-based Google early this year. Motorola fell 0.4 percent to $38.30 in extended trading, after closing at $38.46. The shares rose (MMI) 33 percent last year. The company plans to report earnings on Jan. 26.

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And the patent troll known as Apple files another one.

You can accuse Apple of "playing dirty", but you can't accuse them of being a "patent troll", since they don't actually fit the definition.

This has already been covered several times, in responses to you especially.


Let's at least use the right terminology!

A patent troll is one who buys and enforces patents against one or more alleged infringers, often with no intention to further develop, manufacture or market the patented invention.

Apple builds things, ergo, not a troll.

samcraig
Jan 17, 2012, 11:07 AM
You can accuse Apple of "playing dirty", but you can't accuse them of being a "patent troll", since they don't actually fit the definition.

LOL - you could easily apply that to anyone YOU call a patent troll.

*LTD*
Jan 17, 2012, 11:13 AM
LOL - you could easily apply that to anyone YOU call a patent troll.

Such as? Samsung isn't a "patent troll" (at least not in this case), either. Folks like Lodsys, Sisvel, Compal, and Mosaid *are* patent trolls.

smoledman
Jan 17, 2012, 11:35 AM
http://www.neowin.net/news/apple-files-new-german-lawsuit-against-samsung

Apple is going after Samsung again in Germany. According to a report on Bloomberg, Apple has filed two lawsuits against Samsung, claiming that 10 of its smartphones and five of its tablet devices, including the Galaxy S II, violate Apple's design rights. A Samsung spokesperson said that company had received both lawsuits but would not comment further.

:eek::eek::eek::eek:

Boy, Apple really has the entire electronics industry over a barrel. Between unprecedented demand for iOS devices and their patent portfolio, Apple is ready to deal the death blow in 2012-2013.

boss.king
Jan 17, 2012, 12:07 PM
http://www.neowin.net/news/apple-files-new-german-lawsuit-against-samsung



:eek::eek::eek::eek:

Boy, Apple really has the entire electronics industry over a barrel. Between unprecedented demand for iOS devices and their patent portfolio, Apple is ready to deal the death blow in 2012-2013.

They have no one over a barrel. They're like the spoiled rich kid who tries to get everyone else in trouble with the teacher. Seriously, when's the last time they won one of these cases? Last I checked all their wins were later overturned. It's important to protect your IP, but what apple is doing is embarrassing.

Rodimus Prime
Jan 17, 2012, 12:19 PM
http://www.neowin.net/news/apple-files-new-german-lawsuit-against-samsung



:eek::eek::eek::eek:

Boy, Apple really has the entire electronics industry over a barrel. Between unprecedented demand for iOS devices and their patent portfolio, Apple is ready to deal the death blow in 2012-2013.

minus the fact that Apple has had more than one judge call them on the BS and said that this is not about protecting IP but more about the fact that it is real competition that they are scared of.

Apple stop innovating and has gone to litigating.

swagi
Jan 17, 2012, 12:20 PM
Yawn. This got a boring a long time ago. Apple needs to stop flogging the dead horse. No-one cares and these lawsuits result in nothing.

Actually these lawsuits result in pretty much.

The number of people fed up with Apple grows every day - including me.

I will buy a Mac OS X laptop that is worth the money (i.e. also offers a Blu-Ray option) as soon as it is ready - but I will never ever buy an iOS device again.

Actually I toyed around with a Nokia Lumia 800 recently. Looked really nice. Either that or the soon to be announced Galaxy S3.

smoledman
Jan 17, 2012, 12:29 PM
They have no one over a barrel. They're like the spoiled rich kid who tries to get everyone else in trouble with the teacher. Seriously, when's the last time they won one of these cases? Last I checked all their wins were later overturned. It's important to protect your IP, but what apple is doing is embarrassing.

If you are an Apple investor, you should demand nothing less then zealous litigation in protection of your IP.

Rodimus Prime
Jan 17, 2012, 12:35 PM
If you are an Apple investor, you should demand nothing less then zealous litigation in protection of your IP.

no you should be demanding they start receiving licencing fees from it. Right now all that happens is Apple loses money on court cost and not gaining money.

Apple is not maximizing the amount of money it can get off its IP. Instead what Apple is doing is hurting its public image and looking more and more like a patent troll.

boss.king
Jan 17, 2012, 12:39 PM
If you are an Apple investor, you should demand nothing less then zealous litigation in protection of your IP.

I remember reading that Apple investors actually felt that Apples scorched-earth policy wasn't in their best interest. Instead, Apple should try licensing the IP it owns for a profit. I can't seem to find the article but I believe it was on the front page here at MR at some point.

smoledman
Jan 17, 2012, 12:46 PM
I remember reading that Apple investors actually felt that Apples scorched-earth policy wasn't in their best interest. Instead, Apple should try licensing the IP it owns for a profit. I can't seem to find the article but I believe it was on the front page here at MR at some point.

I would appreciate seeing even one article where a sizable number of Apple investors do not approve of the scorched earth policy.

kockgunner
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And Samsung is like the little kid who hears about your show and tell story and the tells it slightly differently but also gets credit for it.

boss.king
Jan 17, 2012, 01:26 PM
I would appreciate seeing even one article where a sizable number of Apple investors do not approve of the scorched earth policy.

http://www.macrumors.com/2011/12/28/apples-continued-patent-offensive-poses-risks-for-shareholders/

Found it

smoledman
Jan 17, 2012, 01:29 PM
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/12/28/apples-continued-patent-offensive-poses-risks-for-shareholders/

Found it

Yet in the last 6 months AAPL has gone from $364 to $420 despite investor hand-waving. Let's face it based on the parabolic EPS growth, AAPL should be at least $700 right now.

*LTD*
Jan 17, 2012, 01:57 PM
Actually these lawsuits result in pretty much.

The number of people fed up with Apple grows every day - including me.

I doubt you'll be able to tell from Apple's upcoming quarterly results, and Apple has been litigating against one or another company for years and years. Consumers don't care about IP litigation. They want great products. That's where it begins and ends.

smoledman
Jan 17, 2012, 01:59 PM
I doubt you'll be able to tell from Apple's upcoming quarterly results, and Apple has been litigating against one or another company for years and years. Consumers don't care about IP litigation. They want great products. That's where it begins and ends.

Why does the truth get down-voted? :confused:

wikus
Jan 17, 2012, 02:01 PM
If you can't compete, sue.

*LTD*
Jan 17, 2012, 02:02 PM
Apple stop innovating and has gone to litigating.

Apple seems to be doing both, actually: innovating and litigating. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

Look at what Siri has done to the industry, for instance. Look at all the interesting (and timely, such interesting timing!) industry news following Siri. Again, Siri happens to be on an Apple product.

Besides that, take a good look at what went on at CES. Apple's influence is palpable - the MacBook Air situation being just one example. It's interesting that the biggest player at CES wasn't even there. Never mind Apple's current innovations, the industry can barely keep up with Apple's past innovations. THe iPhone 3GS, for instance, still outsells a lot of newer Android models.

The industry is following almost in lock-step with Apple, and are apparently using Apple's R&D department quite liberally. I'll grant that to some degree Apple probably feels quite flattered. But at some point that has to be put aside and a real look has to be taken at the material (and brand-related) ramifications of allowing some (or in this case, one) of the biggest thieves in the industry to operate unfettered.

smoledman
Jan 17, 2012, 02:08 PM
If you can't compete, sue.

Apple is competing hard in PCs, dominating in smart phones, tablets, PMPs and suing the crap out of IP thieves like Samsung and HTC. Life is grand if you're Apple these days.

Gasu E.
Jan 17, 2012, 02:37 PM
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/12/28/apples-continued-patent-offensive-poses-risks-for-shareholders/

Found it

Not one Apple investor was quoted in that article. Just a bunch of people in the business of managing IP. So that "sizeable number of Apple investors" are still to be located.

samcraig
Jan 17, 2012, 03:47 PM
Apple seems to be doing both, actually: innovating and litigating. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

Look at what Siri has done to the industry, for instance. Look at all the interesting (and timely, such interesting timing!) industry news following Siri. Again, Siri happens to be on an Apple product.

Besides that, take a good look at what went on at CES. Apple's influence is palpable - the MacBook Air situation being just one example. It's interesting that the biggest player at CES wasn't even there. Never mind Apple's current innovations, the industry can barely keep up with Apple's past innovations. THe iPhone 3GS, for instance, still outsells a lot of newer Android models.

The industry is following almost in lock-step with Apple, and are apparently using Apple's R&D department quite liberally. I'll grant that to some degree Apple probably feels quite flattered. But at some point that has to be put aside and a real look has to be taken at the material (and brand-related) ramifications of allowing some (or in this case, one) of the biggest thieves in the industry to operate unfettered.

Again - that's your version of the reality distortion field.

Laptops have always been striving to be thinner, lighter and have more power. Nothing new there.

Monitor resolution has always been one of the improvements with each new screen over the years. Nothing new there.

Voice recognition and AI is also nothing new and the industry has had it for years. Nothing new there.

I am not saying Apple doesn't pioneer nor do they not innovate. But unlike you, I can at least acknowledge that the rest of the industry isn't always FOLLOWING Apple as if they are looking at what Apple is doing and copying. More often than not - companies are following the natural progression of technology.

It's the age-old battle - is it better to be first or is it better to have the better product.

GoodWatch
Jan 17, 2012, 04:34 PM
no you should be demanding they start receiving licensing fees from it. Right now all that happens is Apple loses money on court cost and not gaining money.

Apple is not maximizing the amount of money it can get off its IP. Instead what Apple is doing is hurting its public image and looking more and more like a patent troll.

Is it about money? I don't know the exact figure but isn't Apple sitting on 60+ billion US$ in cash already? But I agree on the public image issue. Apple is turning into 'The Man', into Big Brother. I for one don't like this.

*LTD*
Jan 17, 2012, 04:56 PM
no you should be demanding they start receiving licencing fees from it.

I doubt it's up him to "demand" this. Unless we're dealing with a FRAND issue, it's up to the license-holders to make a decision to license something.

Right now all that happens is Apple loses money on court cost and not gaining money.

It costs money to go after someone. Apple's legal costs don't seem to be making a huge dent in their $60 billion+. All Apple needs to do is send a clear message to competitors with their litigation: that they are serious about their IP. Thats what they seem to be doing. They certainly got Samsung to jump, didn't they. Samsung was forced to redesign their tablet. They certainly put pressure on Motorola. Motorola's warning about their quarterly expectations certainly made that clear.

Apple is not maximizing the amount of money it can get off its IP.

They seem to be doing a pretty good job of it.

http://www.cultofmac.com/105623/amazing-apples-cash-on-hand-is-more-than-the-gdp-of-almost-23rds-of-the-worlds-countries/

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/apple-becomes-worlds-most-valuable-company/article2125718/



Instead what Apple is doing is hurting its public image and looking more and more like a patent troll.

"More like" something . . . they aren't? :confused:

Let's at least use the right terminology!

A patent troll is one who buys and enforces patents against one or more alleged infringers, often with no intention to further develop, manufacture or market the patented invention.

Apple builds things, ergo, not a troll.

swagi
Jan 17, 2012, 05:14 PM
I doubt you'll be able to tell from Apple's upcoming quarterly results, and Apple has been litigating against one or another company for years and years. Consumers don't care about IP litigation. They want great products. That's where it begins and ends.

Actually - yeah, I see my rather elitist Mac-using crowd being washed out to a dumbed down hype fed consumer idiot joe blow crowd that takes everything being spoon-fed by the spirit of the turtlenecked overlord.

And I will enjoy your reality-distorted posts, when you give Apple credit for having a monster selling thin laptop that is so innovative and has defined a new category of laptop bla - while I just think to myself that the Macbook Air would still be a major flop if Apple hadn't EOL'ed the original Macbook.

I just don't see the point in buying a Windows PC for ripping my Blu-Rays to enjoy them on my Mac portable. Or do you really advise me to go the pirate route? I mean - you can't honestly advise me to buy another dumbed down copy of the content on iTunes, or do you?

And to anyone digging out the "Mac OS X is oh so stable"-myth. Try telling me that after using Line6 equipment in Garage Band. Yeah - real fun twinking around in PodFarm, and just having found the major sound you like...the oh so seamless Mac randomly and all of a sudden gets a dark greyish screen displaying the power button icon and demands a restart in nearly every major language on the planet.

Crashes DO HAPPEN on OS X and they are as annoying as on the dark side.:mad:

Rodimus Prime
Jan 17, 2012, 05:18 PM
Look at what Siri has done to the industry, for instance. Look at all the interesting (and timely, such interesting timing!) industry news following Siri. Again, Siri happens to be on an Apple product.


I see your standard RDF is in place.

Siri is nothing new nor special. Sorry but it is not much above the Google voice search and voice system on Android.
So much for that. Sorry but Siri did not bring anything big or really special to the table. For Apple it was a better voice control system from the joke of what they had. It is not that big of a step above what Android has had for years.

But RDF you seem to live in seem to think other wise.

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Is it about money? I don't know the exact figure but isn't Apple sitting on 60+ billion US$ in cash already? But I agree on the public image issue. Apple is turning into 'The Man', into Big Brother. I for one don't like this.

but that was not what I was replaying to. Read again. He said a share holder should demand they protected aka maximize profit. Currently Apple is failing big time to maximize profits off its IP.

The entire point was to kill off the share holder crap that some people seem to like to post. What I pointed out was a massive flaw in that argument and pointing out Apple is failing to maximize profits off its IP.

smoledman
Jan 17, 2012, 05:27 PM
Actually - yeah, I see my rather elitist Mac-using crowd being washed out to a dumbed down hype fed consumer idiot joe blow crowd that takes everything being spoon-fed by the spirit of the turtlenecked overlord.

Are you telling me that the average PC joe blow is more intelligent then Apple buyers? They're all the same tech-ignorant crowd.

And I will enjoy your reality-distorted posts, when you give Apple credit for having a monster selling thin laptop that is so innovative and has defined a new category of laptop bla - while I just think to myself that the Macbook Air would still be a major flop if Apple hadn't EOL'ed the original Macbook.

You don't understand. It was the MBA's popularity that EOL'ed the original Macbook.

*LTD*
Jan 17, 2012, 05:29 PM
I see your standard RDF is in place.

Siri is nothing new nor special.

The industry certainly seems to think so.

Sorry but it is not much above the Google voice search and voice system on Android.

Were it not for Siri, would we really be seeing this news?

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/google-majel-rival-apple-voice-174338697.html

http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/12/13/google.may.boost.voice.search.through.majel.engine/

And that's just from Google. Suddenly, mysteriously, we're seeing the competition talk about voice-control everything-else, like TVs.

Innovation has a tendency to make responses like that happen. You can certainly attach some other label to it if you like, but it won't lessen the impact.

So much for that. Sorry but Siri did not bring anything big or really special to the table.

Tell that to consumers, the industry that is now abuzz with Siri talk, and Apple's competitors who have all of a sudden, mysteriously, by sheer, magical coincidence, begun all the voice-control/Siri discussions in earnest, right after the iPhone 4S' debut.

What a coincidence! They really seem to be piling up these days. Usually after Apple releases a hit product.

Sounds like a response to innovation.


For Apple it was a better voice control system from the joke of what they had. It is not that big of a step above what Android has had for years.

I don't recall there being but even a 1/100th of an interest in Android's system before Siri (nor really after it.)


But RDF you seem to live in seem to think other wise.

These days, the "RDF" is just the "R." Consumer tech industry Reality is increasingly Apple-defined. Just refer to this year's CES.

smoledman
Jan 17, 2012, 05:31 PM
Were it not for Siri, wold we really be seeing this news?
Tell that to consumers, the industry that is now abuzz with Siri talk, and Apple's competitors who have all of a sudden, mysteriously, by sheer, magical coincidence, begun all the voice-control/Siri discussions in earnest, right after the iPhone 4S' debut.

What a coincidence! They really seem to be piling up these days. Usually after Apple releases a hit product.

Sounds like a response to innovation.

You mean like Microsoft's TellMe which debuted months ahead of Siri. :rolleyes: Your RDF is at full power my friend.

http://www.winrumors.com/windows-phone-siri-like-features-how-do-they-compare-video/

Microsoft’s future Tellme speech recognition is a lot more personal and more aligned with Apple’s Siri features. Microsoft demonstrated some of its future speech recognition in Windows Phone in August.

*LTD*
Jan 17, 2012, 05:38 PM
You mean like Microsoft's TellMe which debuted months ahead of Siri. :rolleyes: Your RDF is at full power my friend.

http://www.winrumors.com/windows-phone-siri-like-features-how-do-they-compare-video/

Oh yeah. Really a masterpiece. :rolleyes:

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2011/11/25/siri-vs-microsofts-tell-me/

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/11/26/tellme-fail-swingers-swap-sex-partners-in-prudish-singapore/

Quite the "demonstration." Typical MS implementation.

And really, it took Siri for the industry to move. Typical that it takes Apple's effort for this slow, lumbering, unimaginative industry to actually set out in interesting and promising directions. Is it even possible for anyone else, on their own, to pull off a June 2007, or a January 2010, and more recently - an October 4 2011?

smoledman
Jan 17, 2012, 05:47 PM
Oh yeah. Really a masterpiece. :rolleyes:

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2011/11/25/siri-vs-microsofts-tell-me/

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/11/26/tellme-fail-swingers-swap-sex-partners-in-prudish-singapore/

Quite the "demonstration." Typical MS implementation.

And really, it took Siri for the industry to move. Typical that it takes Apple's effort for this slow, lumbering, unimaginative industry to actually set out in interesting and promising directions.

Just because TellMe isn't as semantically rich as Siri *now* doesn't make it garbage. Really *LTD* you have this habit of saying - "Apple makes Perfect Feature X and Company Y's Feature Z is garbage". You do that all day long, it's your template.

Rodimus Prime
Jan 17, 2012, 05:48 PM
You mean like Microsoft's TellMe which debuted months ahead of Siri. :rolleyes: Your RDF is at full power my friend.

http://www.winrumors.com/windows-phone-siri-like-features-how-do-they-compare-video/

Add to it that he claims it all because of the media.
Never mind the fact we have had multiple products in the past few years that put in voice controls. Voice controls in cell phones.
Android has had it.

Yet some how because Apple did it then that what made a wave that had been growing for years.
But because the media plays to the Apple fanboys.

Apple is good at making the RDF and then getting people like LTD to keep putting out saying Apple is inventive yet the market has had new stuff being added year after year and we were already seeing the new tech.

I think it is funny that some how the media thinks Siri is so much ahead of Androids system and reality is not that difference between them.

samcraig
Jan 17, 2012, 05:54 PM
Tell that to consumers, the industry that is now abuzz with Siri talk, and Apple's competitors who have all of a sudden, mysteriously, by sheer, magical coincidence, begun all the voice-control/Siri discussions in earnest, right after the iPhone 4S' debut.


I don't recall there being but even a 1/100th of an interest in Android's system before Siri (nor really after it.)



That's because you live in an Apple bubble, LTD. And Siri, while useful, at least amongst my peers, colleagues and family members is almost a false promise. Potential sure - but the more they have used it the more they realize there's not much to it. Siri is already yesterday's headines.

And you don't read too much about Android's voice recognition because YOU don't read much about anything other than Apple. Apple's always done it first and best to you. Of course YOU don't RECALL there being interest. To further - since voice recognition isn't all that new - Google/Android never marketed as something AMAZING because it's just another feature. Siri is just another feature.

Apple didn't pioneer voice recognition nor AI. They marketed it. Companies have been developing/releasing products with voice recognition for years.

But I honestly don't know why I even bother responding to you LOL

swagi
Jan 17, 2012, 05:56 PM
Are you telling me that the average PC joe blow is more intelligent then Apple buyers? They're all the same tech-ignorant crowd.

Nope - I'm actually telling you that the former (I'd like to propose the term) "Apple Computer Industries"-fanboys were and still are quite outrageous for:
a) dropping FireWIre on the iPod
b) still putting low-powered USB ports on the keyboard
c) hate the retarded "No BluRay to stimulate iTunes sales"-approach
d) rather want a cool industry standard called USB 3.0 than a promising but in its current implementation of using copper rather limited Thunderbolt

You don't understand. It was the MBA's popularity that EOL'ed the original Macbook.

Check your history.
It was the other way round. Killing the MacBook was essential for hyping the MBA as success. The first generations were a major flop. Get over it.

smoledman
Jan 17, 2012, 06:00 PM
That's because you live in an Apple bubble, LTD. And Siri, while useful, at least amongst my peers, colleagues and family members is almost a false promise. Potential sure - but the more they have used it the more they realize there's not much to it. Siri is already yesterday's headines.LOL

I suspect he only reads Apple news sites. I knew about TellMe months ahead of Siri on the iPhone. But then I read all tech sites, not just the ones of a single company I fanboy.

*LTD*
Jan 17, 2012, 06:07 PM
That's because you live in an Apple bubble, LTD.

IF CES was anything to go by -- that great, vaunted tech expo, the "big event" for everyone to show their very best -- then so is the rest of the industry.

The "Apple bubble" appears to be quite pervasive.

(Just ask one of the biggest Korean tech companies. They visit The Bubble a lot.)

samcraig
Jan 17, 2012, 06:11 PM
IF CES was anything to go by -- that great, vaunted tech expo, the "big event" for everyone to show their very best -- then so is the rest of the industry.

The "Apple bubble" appears to be quite pervasive.

(Just ask one of the biggest Korean tech companies. They visit The Bubble a lot.)

You missed the point entirely. And if you want to judge by CES - you're looking at the wrong year(s) and forgetting everything that happens between CES shows. It's easy to "prove" your case when you ignore so much of reality.

*LTD*
Jan 17, 2012, 06:15 PM
You missed the point entirely. And if you want to judge by CES - you're looking at the wrong year(s) and forgetting everything that happens between CES shows. It's easy to "prove" your case when you ignore so much of reality.

Isn't that the point of CES? To show your mettle? To communicate and show everyone what you've been working on.

CES is actually a representation of what's going on (outside of the so-called "RDF.) It's a microcosm of developments in the consumer tech industry.

We're seeing that the consumer tech industry at large associates itself closely with Apple's "RDF." They are, in fact, playing in it, living in it. In some ways, it's rather pathetic. In other ways, it's a sign of things to come.

Apple should start charging rent.

samcraig
Jan 17, 2012, 06:33 PM
Isn't that the point of CES? To show your mettle? To communicate and show everyone what you've been working on.

CES is actually a representation of what's going on (outside of the so-called "RDF.) It's a microcosm of developments in the consumer tech industry.

We're seeing that the consumer tech industry at large associates itself closely with Apple's "RDF." They are, in fact, playing in it, living in it. In some ways, it's rather pathetic. In other ways, it's a sign of things to come.

Apple should start charging rent.

Again - you missed the point. Products and technologies have been adapting and improving for decades. You seem to think that the second Apple does something everyone's roadmap is non-existant. That products they've had in the pipeline couldn't possibly exist. That they just look at Apple and begin fabrication on new products solely based on Apple.

And here's a dirty little secret LTD - sometimes - just sometimes - Companies don't announce things at CES because they don't want the press yet nor do they want to tip their hand. SHOCKING!

danahn17
Jan 17, 2012, 07:18 PM
Again? Well since this is like a weekly event now, here's a summary of what always seems to happen:

Apple sues Samsung:
- Apple: :)
- Samsung: :mad:
- Lawyers: :D:D:D
- LTD : :D:D:D:D

Samsung sues Apple:
- Apple: :mad:
- Samsung: :)
- Lawyers : :D:D:D
- LTD : :eek::eek::eek::mad::mad::mad:

*LTD*
Jan 17, 2012, 07:41 PM
Again? Well since this is like a weekly event now, here's a summary of what always seems to happen:

Apple sues Samsung:
- Apple: :)
- Samsung: :mad:
- Lawyers: :D:D:D
- LTD : :D:D:D:D

Samsung sues Apple:
- Apple: :mad:
- Samsung: :)
- Lawyers : :D:D:D
- LTD : :eek::eek::eek::mad::mad::mad:

Except they've barely done any of the latter because they have so little to go on.

Samsung may be thieves, but they know how far they're actually able go legally. They've already (probably unintentionally) admitted guilt.

It just that they don't care.

something3153
Jan 17, 2012, 07:45 PM
Oh yeah. Really a masterpiece. :rolleyes:

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2011/11/25/siri-vs-microsofts-tell-me/

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/11/26/tellme-fail-swingers-swap-sex-partners-in-prudish-singapore/

Quite the "demonstration." Typical MS implementation.

And really, it took Siri for the industry to move. Typical that it takes Apple's effort for this slow, lumbering, unimaginative industry to actually set out in interesting and promising directions. Is it even possible for anyone else, on their own, to pull off a June 2007, or a January 2010, and more recently - an October 4 2011?

So, you give Apple credit for Siri, which they didn't produce, and you say it took Apple for the industry to move when MS and Google had such things built in first?

samcraig
Jan 17, 2012, 08:02 PM
Except they've barely done any of the latter because they have so little to go on.

Samsung may be thieves, but they know how far they're actually able go legally. They've already (probably unintentionally) admitted guilt.

It just that they don't care.

Sorry - thieves? That's a bit presumptuous. That implies they stole IP, right? As it's been established many times - and something you fail to still grasp - is that there are millions of patents and they are in such vague formats that it's almost ALWAYS better to forge ahead than to try and self-interpret the patents to determine what you can and can't do. Why else are there so many of Apple's patent arguments thrown out. Because they simply don't stand up to scrutiny.

So I think you need to rethink your "thieves" stance.

*LTD*
Jan 17, 2012, 08:39 PM
Sorry - thieves? That's a bit presumptuous. That implies they stole IP, right? As it's been established many times - and something you fail to still grasp - is that there are millions of patents and they are in such vague formats that it's almost ALWAYS better to forge ahead than to try and self-interpret the patents to determine what you can and can't do. Why else are there so many of Apple's patent arguments thrown out. Because they simply don't stand up to scrutiny.

So I think you need to rethink your "thieves" stance.

No. I don't.

This is the organization Apple is dealing with:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=13394128&postcount=26

Samsung is not only shady (an understatement), but they are ridiculously brazen about it.

danahn17
Jan 17, 2012, 10:50 PM
No. I don't.

This is the organization Apple is dealing with:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=13394128&postcount=26

Samsung is not only shady (an understatement), but they are ridiculously brazen about it.

I wrote a reply to this once but you never replied back (i added a little more this time around):

While I'm not saying what Samsung is doing is right, it is a little unfair to portray Samsung as if they're evil because they're the only company that would do such a thing. The rules for businesses and marketing in foreign countries is much different from the USA because of cultural differences, and often times bribery is okay or even expected (just pick up any International Marketing textbook and read a little). Even the US government's Foreign Corrupt Practices Act has a exemption for "grease payments" which are essentially bribes.

It's not morally correct (at least from our cultural standpoint) but it's one of those gray areas in business. Many American companies do the same abroad. Some get caught and some don't. Just because you don't read about it in the papers... doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Apple themselves bribed officials in certain markets (like China with the iPhones there). Nor would I judge Apple negatively if they did either.

And it happens within the US too. Until a few years ago, it was okay (even expected) that pharmaceutical companies buy healthcare providers expensive dinners (think Ruth's Chris) in return for listening to why their products are so great and useful... There are certain test prep companies that do the same with students too, even today. If you look globally, look at Siemens, Haliburton, BAE Systems, Johnson & Johnson... those are all huge corps that have been caught bribing recently. If you include accounting fraud and such, that list gets even longer.

I also love how you bolded "Several campaign officials for Mr. Roh and his opponent, Lee Hoi-chang, as well as Samsung executives, were convicted of playing major roles in raising slush funds in that [presidential] campaign." Obviously, you don't follow politics too closely.

wikus
Jan 18, 2012, 12:38 AM
Again? Well since this is like a weekly event now, here's a summary of what always seems to happen:

Apple sues Samsung:
- Apple: :)
- Samsung: :mad:
- Lawyers: :D:D:D
- LTD : :D:D:D

Samsung sues Apple:
- Apple: :mad:
- Samsung: :)
- Lawyers : :D:D:D
- LTD : :eek::eek::eek::mad::mad:

Remember when Creative sued Apple? Heres how things went down on Macrumors:

http://www.ungraphic.com/stuff/applesheep1.jpg

Then Apple counter sued and the Macrumors members were very happy:

http://www.ungraphic.com/stuff/applesheep2.jpg

swagi
Jan 18, 2012, 02:25 AM
Isn't that the point of CES? To show your mettle? To communicate and show everyone what you've been working on.

CES is actually a representation of what's going on (outside of the so-called "RDF.) It's a microcosm of developments in the consumer tech industry.

We're seeing that the consumer tech industry at large associates itself closely with Apple's "RDF." They are, in fact, playing in it, living in it. In some ways, it's rather pathetic. In other ways, it's a sign of things to come.

Apple should start charging rent.

So you really think you will see the future of mobile phones on CES - while everyone and their mother knows that MWC is just 6 weeks away?

Prepare to be blown on Feb 27 - because this is the time headlines are made. And hint to you: They will be about shiny displays, quad-core and Tegra3. They will be ICS all down the road and a side note to WP7.

Maybe some refined 3D approach (after last year's iterations weren't that good).

Any interesting news on iOS-devices? Nah - all the gadgets were shown at CES and actually very few people are interested in that market.

robertosh
Jan 18, 2012, 02:36 AM
http://gadgetguy.com.au/cms/wp-content/uploads/9762_samsung-dock-comparison.jpg

http://galaxytablife.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/usb-apdater.jpg

http://static.betazeta.com/www.wayerless.com/up/2010/08/samsung-galaxy-tab-usb-cable-adapter.jpg

http://cdn-store.androidcentral.com/store_images/product_images/accessories/large/7732.jpg

http://i.bssl.es/tengounmac/2011/07/Smartcase-510x244.jpg

Samsung is copying everything from Apple, including minor details, I understand Apple's anger

Winni
Jan 18, 2012, 03:29 AM
We already know the way Samsung plays the game. They're rip-off artists par excellence. It would be silly to let them get away with it.

I can't hear that crap anymore. Remember what Steve Jobs said about their own design approach? He said this: "We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU

So it's okay if Apple does it but it's not okay when somebody else does it? That's extremely hypocritical.

The real problem here is that Samsung's so-called "copies" and "stolen ideas" are superior to the so-called "originals" in many, many aspects. Samsung puts awesome software on extraordinarily well engineered hardware. Their products are a joy to use, and unlike Apple's iOS devices, they are not restricted and limited in any way and they do not imprison their users in a Walled Garden as Apple does. For me, the choice between a Samsung Galaxy gadget or an Apple iOS gadget is a complete no-brainer - Samsung will always win this one. In my book, they have the better products.

When it comes to notebooks and desktops, I will still buy Apple hardware and use Mac OS X -- at least for TODAY. If Apple proceeds with the "iOSification" of OS X or replaces it completely with a future iOS version, I will cut my losses and move on to Linux. I'm already a hardcore Linux user on the server side of things and since I managed to move away from desktop Windows to desktop OS X, I know that I will survive another migration when I have to. But when this happens, I will probably also buy my hardware from another vendor. And Samsung's new notebooks look very good to me, too.

Apple should spend that lawsuit money on innovation instead of litigation. I know a lot of people who would never buy anything from Apple because of the company's attitude and bullish behavior. They're hurting themselves more than any competitor ever could.

reefoid
Jan 18, 2012, 04:25 AM
Image (http://gadgetguy.com.au/cms/wp-content/uploads/9762_samsung-dock-comparison.jpg)

Image (http://galaxytablife.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/usb-apdater.jpg)

Image (http://static.betazeta.com/www.wayerless.com/up/2010/08/samsung-galaxy-tab-usb-cable-adapter.jpg)

Image (http://cdn-store.androidcentral.com/store_images/product_images/accessories/large/7732.jpg)

Image (http://i.bssl.es/tengounmac/2011/07/Smartcase-510x244.jpg)

Samsung is copying everything from Apple, including minor details, I understand Apple's anger

Not this rubbish again.

The cable and charger are generic, probably made by the same company and branded accordingly.

The smart cover is (1) not produced by Samsung, (2) different to Apple's cover (no magnets) and (3) Apple weren't the first to come up with the design.

Do you have anything relevant and accurate to add to the discussion?

samcraig
Jan 18, 2012, 06:29 AM
LTD - re: Siri.. you might enjoy this article. It's about Steve Wozniak. He had a comment or two about it...

http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/17/10175148-wozniak-likes-his-android-phone-a-lot

Wozniak thinks that voice commands do better on Android than the iPhone, and he told Lyons that Siri on the iPhone 4S is not as good as when it was a stand-alone app for the previous iPhone:

I used to ask Siri, ‘What are the five biggest lakes in California?’ and it would come back with the answer. Now it just misses. It gives me real estate listings. I used to ask, ‘What are the prime numbers greater than 87?’ and it would answer. Now instead of getting prime numbers, I get listings for prime rib, or prime real estate,” Woz says.

Worse, a lot of the time Siri says it can’t make a connection to the back-end servers that power the system. “With the iPhone 4 I could press a button and call my wife. Now on the 4S I can only do that when Siri can connect over the Internet. But many times it can’t connect. I’ve never had Android come back and say, ‘I can’t connect over the Internet.’ ”

Heresy? No, it's Wozniak's engineering analysis, detached and unbiased. He says the iPhone is a great choice for many people, including those "who are just scared of computers altogether and don’t want to use them. The iPhone is the least frightening thing. For that kind of person who is scared of complexity, well, here’s a phone that is simple to use and does what you need it to do,” he told Lyons.

*LTD*
Jan 18, 2012, 07:57 AM
[QUOTE=samcraig;14176900]LTD - re: Siri.. you might enjoy this article. It's about Steve Wozniak. He had a comment or two about it...

http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/17/10175148-wozniak-likes-his-android-phone-a-lot

So?

Wozniak also thinks *this* is a tablet:

http://www.techshout.com/hardware/2008/02/axiotrons-modbook-a-mac-based-tablet-computer-shipped-to-consumers/

:rolleyes:

I'm not sure how anything this man says is relevant. He hasn't made an Apple product in 35 years, nor any product at all in 30. Might as well grab any random consumer off the street and ask their opinion.

We still love him, though. :o

samcraig
Jan 18, 2012, 08:38 AM
[QUOTE=samcraig;14176900]LTD - re: Siri.. you might enjoy this article. It's about Steve Wozniak. He had a comment or two about it...

http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/17/10175148-wozniak-likes-his-android-phone-a-lot

So?

Wozniak also thinks *this* is a tablet:

http://www.techshout.com/hardware/2008/02/axiotrons-modbook-a-mac-based-tablet-computer-shipped-to-consumers/

:rolleyes:

I'm not sure how anything this man says is relevant. He hasn't made an Apple product in 35 years, nor any product at all in 30. Might as well grab any random consumer off the street and ask their opinion.

We still love him, though. :o

Really- pulling a link from 2008? Lame.

And really? You think Woz is irrelevant? Wow.

DeathChill
Jan 18, 2012, 08:52 AM
And really? You think Woz is irrelevant? Wow.

Maybe I am misunderstanding (and don't care to get involved in this argument) but isn't Woz irrelevant?

samcraig
Jan 18, 2012, 08:57 AM
Maybe I am misunderstanding (and don't care to get involved in this argument) but isn't Woz irrelevant?

I don't think so. Just because he hasn't made a product recently doesn't invalidate his opinions and his value as an intellectual in the industry.

DeathChill
Jan 18, 2012, 09:05 AM
I don't think so. Just because he hasn't made a product recently doesn't invalidate his opinions and his value as an intellectual in the industry.

I see where you're coming from but I don't see any reason that his opinion would be more important than anyone else's opinion. I'm not saying his opinion is wrong, just that I don't feel it carries any weight beyond him just being Wozniak. I'm not really sure what value he brings to the industry honestly.

KnightWRX
Jan 18, 2012, 09:32 AM
A notable point everyone is missing is that Wozniak seems to have been a fan of Andy Rubin's work in the field of mobile OSes since day 1. Here's an old 2002 MacRumors thread linking to Danger Inc's PR about Wozniak joining their board (links are dead now) :

forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=929

So really, is it a surprise considering Android is in many ways the successor of the HipTop software Danger Inc was making (Andy Rubin co-founded both ventures after all) ?

samcraig
Jan 18, 2012, 09:36 AM
A notable point everyone is missing is that Wozniak seems to have been a fan of Andy Rubin's work in the field of mobile OSes since day 1. Here's an old 2002 MacRumors thread linking to Danger Inc's PR about Wozniak joining their board (links are dead now) :

forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=929

So really, is it a surprise considering Android is in many ways the successor of the HipTop software Danger Inc was making (Andy Rubin co-founded both ventures after all) ?

Personally I don't think Wozniak - based on everything I've read and a conversation I've had with him - is not technology (company) biased. I think he's very much the best tool for the job type of guy.

jmpnop
Jan 18, 2012, 01:25 PM
Again? Well since this is like a weekly event now, here's a summary of what always seems to happen:

Apple sues Samsung:
- Apple: :)
- Samsung: :mad:
- Lawyers: :D:D
- LTD : :D:D:D

Samsung sues Apple:
- Apple: :mad:
- Samsung: :)
- Lawyers : :D:D:D
- LTD : :eek::eek::eek::mad::mad::mad:

Its really fun to read his childish comments and even funnier to see people reply..lol:D

smoledman
Jan 18, 2012, 01:28 PM
Not this rubbish again.

The cable and charger are generic, probably made by the same company and branded accordingly.

The smart cover is (1) not produced by Samsung, (2) different to Apple's cover (no magnets) and (3) Apple weren't the first to come up with the design.

Do you have anything relevant and accurate to add to the discussion?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dock_connector#Apple_30-pin_dock_connector

The 30-pin dock connector is proprietary and Samsung is engaging in outright theft here.

goosnarrggh
Jan 18, 2012, 02:06 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dock_connector#Apple_30-pin_dock_connector

The 30-pin dock connector is proprietary and Samsung is engaging in outright theft here.

Why do you assume Samsung was modelling itself after the Apple dock connector? It is also strikingly similar to the ANSI-standard PDMI interface connector.

In any event, Samsung's connector is not actually inter-operable (mechanically or electrically) with either Apple's connector or the PDMI connector, making it effectively yet another, different but equally proprietary interface.

danahn17
Jan 18, 2012, 07:15 PM
Really- pulling a link from 2008? Lame.

And really? You think Woz is irrelevant? Wow.

Well if we're gonna link tablet articles that came out before the iPad, then I'll just go ahead and say Apple's business strategy is stupid. Because, I have an article from 1997 (http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1997/02/03/221517/index.htm) saying Apple's business moves were stupid. :p

The 30-pin dock connector is proprietary and Samsung is engaging in outright theft here.
If it's as cut and dry as you say, why hasn't Apple sued Samsung for their connector yet? Or included it in any of their other lawsuits? And btw, the Galaxy SII phone has a totally different connector.

Oletros
Jan 19, 2012, 05:51 AM
The 30-pin dock connector is proprietary and Samsung is engaging in outright theft here.

Can you link the sentence where Samsung has been proven guilty of theft?

Thanks