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Compile 'em all
Feb 3, 2012, 06:48 AM
Apple has been forced to remove purchasing options for its iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4 and 3G iPad products from its website in Germany after Motorola secured an injunction against Apple’s 3G-capable devices at a Mannheim court.

source (http://thenextweb.com/apple/2012/02/03/apple-germany-forced-to-stop-online-sales-of-iphone-3gs-iphone-4-and-ipad-2-3g/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=share+button&utm_content=Apple+Germany+forced+to+stop+online+sales+of+iPhone+3GS%2C+iPhone+4+and+iPad+2+3G&utm_campaign=social+media)

Tarzanman
Feb 3, 2012, 06:54 AM
Read about that this morning.

As they say....what is good for the gander is good for the goose

KnightWRX
Feb 3, 2012, 07:02 AM
Motorola Won ? Apple Won ?

No. No one wins at the game of patents and courts, except for the lawyers. And you know who loses the most ? The consumer.

This applies to all these players (Apple, Motorola, Samsung, Kodak, Nokia, RIM, Microsoft, etc...).

eawmp1
Feb 3, 2012, 07:06 AM
Mutually assured destruction?

Zcott
Feb 3, 2012, 07:11 AM
Not as simple as this. iPhone 4S and iPad 2 use Qualcomm chips that aren't part of this lawsuit so they're still for sale.

jc1350
Feb 3, 2012, 07:21 AM
Those phones are still available in the retail stores. This only affects on-line purchases.

SeniorGato1
Feb 3, 2012, 07:23 AM
I wonder if the admin fan boys will make this front page

5aga
Feb 3, 2012, 07:29 AM
once again the consumer gets screwed.

Instead of wasting time and money "combatting piracy" the lawmakers in US and Europe should take the time and sort out the patent laws that are slowly destroying the mobile tech market. A lot of these patents are absolutely ridiculous and should have never been granted - including certain patents filed by Apple.

WiiDSmoker
Feb 3, 2012, 07:32 AM
http://www.golem.de/news/motorola-apple-verliert-patentklage-und-nimmt-iphones-vom-markt-1202-89544.html

After losing the patent lawsuit filed by Motorola late last year, Apple withdrew some of hardware from their own webstore. Currently this only affects the german store, but the patent in question is European.

The patent itself deals with synchronization of mobile devices through a cloud and has been filed in 2002.

The iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4 and the 3G iPad Versions have been removed from the store.

The Phazer
Feb 3, 2012, 07:37 AM
Motorola Won ? Apple Won ?

No. No one wins at the game of patents and courts, except for the lawyers. And you know who loses the most ? The consumer.

This applies to all these players (Apple, Motorola, Samsung, Kodak, Nokia, RIM, Microsoft, etc...).

Indeed. Which makes it all the sadder that Apple appear to have been responsible for a massive escalation in this mess.

Phazer

aristobrat
Feb 3, 2012, 07:37 AM
Wonder why they can sell the iPhone 4s but not the others listed in the OP?

OllyW
Feb 3, 2012, 07:40 AM
http://www.golem.de/news/motorola-apple-verliert-patentklage-und-nimmt-iphones-vom-markt-1202-89544.html

After losing the patent lawsuit filed by Motorola late last year, Apple withdrew some of hardware from their own webstore. Currently this only affects the german store, but the patent in question is European.

In English via the BBC...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16871075

sammich
Feb 3, 2012, 07:43 AM
I wonder if the admin fan boys will make this front page

What, you mean the people who've setup a site for a decade dedicated to Apple/Mac related news and events isn't going to put this on the front page?

Zcott
Feb 3, 2012, 07:43 AM
Wonder why they can sell the iPhone 4s but not the others listed in the OP?

Not as simple as this. iPhone 4S and iPad 2 use Qualcomm chips that aren't part of this lawsuit so they're still for sale.

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Vindicator
Feb 3, 2012, 07:44 AM
Wonder why they can sell the iPhone 4s but not the others listed in the OP?

quote from the verge

"The iPhone 4S is unaffected as it contains a baseband chip from Qualcomm, unlike earlier models that use Infineon chipsets. Apple uses an Infineon chip for its GSM iPad 2, leaving it affected by today's removals."

maflynn
Feb 3, 2012, 07:46 AM
Time for apple to negotiate with moto and hand over a sizable amount of cash to license the technology.

psonice
Feb 3, 2012, 07:50 AM
This could backfire on motorola in a major way. They've had these products banned on the basis of a FRAND patent. Those patents are covered by special rules, and they're supposed to license them fairly to anyone who needs them - if they didn't do that, the 3G networks wouldn't work, patent trolls would continuously pop up and demand money if you want to use your phone.

The EU is currently investigating samsung over abuse of FRAND patents, and there's a pretty high chance that motorola is going to get the same attention. If that happens the ban could be reversed and motorola could be fined heavily.

What's probably more worrying for apple: motorola won a different dispute this morning, one that covers iCloud. That's not a FRAND patent, and it covers anything that uses iCloud. It also targets apple's ireland distribution company, which could affect sales across europe.

KnightWRX
Feb 3, 2012, 07:51 AM
This could backfire on motorola in a major way. They've had these products banned on the basis of a FRAND patent. Those patents are covered by special rules, and they're supposed to license them fairly to anyone who needs them - if they didn't do that, the 3G networks wouldn't work, patent trolls would continuously pop up and demand money if you want to use your phone.

What makes you think Apple didn't refuse Motorola's F/RAND terms ? You know, these lawyers have these things covered. It wouldn't be the first time Apple balks at F/RAND terms and gets dragged to court over it (remember Apple vs Nokia).

maflynn
Feb 3, 2012, 08:43 AM
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