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v2club
Feb 26, 2012, 03:32 PM
Siri isn't available for the ML preview, but also it wasn't available last year for the iOS 5 preview, so I still hope that Siri will be available for the official release of Mountain Lion. I don't think that only the 10 apps included in ML are worth upgrading, even though it is said that there will be more than 100 new features without Siri.



Carl Sagan
Feb 26, 2012, 03:41 PM
I think you're the first person to draw this as a red line...

Zcott
Feb 26, 2012, 04:10 PM
Can we quote you on this in a year's time?

v2club
Feb 26, 2012, 05:03 PM
Can we quote you on this in a year's time?

Sure, but why wait for a year, the update will be out in 5-6 moths and there is no point to wait 6 month and then update, because in another 6 moths there will be a new OS, so if you gonna update, do it as soon as the OS is out...

The ML will be cheap (I guess it won't be more expensive than Lion, which was 22 quid here in the UK) so I'll be definitely tempted, but let us see what else the Apple team will come up with, so far I'm most impressed with the unified address bar and search bar in Safari (which I'm pretty sure will be available to all, without the need to upgrade) and Messages (which won't be available to Lion users, however it's not worth 22 pounds).

Bear
Feb 26, 2012, 05:56 PM
The feature list (http://www.apple.com/macosx/mountain-lion/features.html) is somewhat lacking right now. For what's mentioned currently, I'm not sure it's a $30 upgrade.

We'll have to see what additional features get announced and what under the hood improvements there are.

For some people the push to upgrade to Lion and eventually Mountain Lion will be as software they use change to require those versions of OS X.

roadbloc
Feb 26, 2012, 06:02 PM
Siri isn't available for the ML preview, but also it wasn't available last year for the iOS 5 preview, so I still hope that Siri will be available for the official release of Mountain Lion. I don't think that only the 10 apps included in ML are worth upgrading, even though it is said that there will be more than 100 new features without Siri.

Okay then. Don't upgrade.

KnightWRX
Feb 26, 2012, 06:48 PM
Siri is a worthless gimmick anyhow. Call me when it becomes actually efficient to use, rather than just doing it the manual way on the touch screen.

throAU
Feb 26, 2012, 06:51 PM
The feature list (http://www.apple.com/macosx/mountain-lion/features.html) is somewhat lacking right now. For what's mentioned currently, I'm not sure it's a $30 upgrade.

How about the feature: "runs much faster"?

Bear
Feb 26, 2012, 07:02 PM
How about the feature: "runs much faster"?That would fall under "under the hood improvements". And much faster would be good.

*LTD*
Feb 26, 2012, 07:04 PM
That would fall under "under the hood improvements". And much faster would be good.

Runs noticeably faster than Lion on an early 2008 15-inch MBP, 2.4Ghz, 6GB RAM. Things feel much smoother.

Tiptizzle
Feb 26, 2012, 07:20 PM
Sure, but why wait for a year, the update will be out in 5-6 moths and there is no point to wait 6 month and then update, because in another 6 moths there will be a new OS, so if you gonna update, do it as soon as the OS is out...



Some people wait for a release to become more stable before upgrading.

pdjudd
Feb 26, 2012, 07:27 PM
The feature list (http://www.apple.com/macosx/mountain-lion/features.html) is somewhat lacking right now. For what's mentioned currently, I'm not sure it's a $30 upgrade.

Thatís not a complete list though - thatís a list of feature that Apple chooses to highlight.

BŲhme417
Feb 26, 2012, 08:10 PM
How about we get Siri working reliably on my phone before we try and add it to the computers? I swear it's a 50/50 shot whether or not I get the "try again later" message.

pdjudd
Feb 26, 2012, 08:13 PM
How about we get Siri working reliably on my phone before we try and add it to the computers?
Itís going to take a lot of work to get it working on computers too - people have been envisioning voice dictation with a computer for years. It never has worked too well.

jackrv
Feb 26, 2012, 11:00 PM
That would fall under "under the hood improvements". And much faster would be good.

That alone is worth an upgrade to me. (Although I'd be much happier if it were a free update)

CodeBreaker
Feb 26, 2012, 11:13 PM
I would pay 29 to make Lion faster, with a few gimmicks.
But I won't mind paying 129 if they "fix" spaces and throw in Siri.

afin
Feb 27, 2012, 12:40 PM
Context: I know that when it came to the 10.7 we sort of knew all of the coming features from the get go and that was that.

Question: In anyone's opinion, is 10.8 seeming to follow the same trend?

Either way, I'm of the opinion that it's only thirty dollars for an improvement/polish of lion.

KnightWRX
Feb 27, 2012, 01:10 PM
Context: I know that when it came to the 10.7 we sort of knew all of the coming features from the get go and that was that.


Did we really ?

Don't mistake that list of "features" on Apple's site as a definitive list of everything there is. I bet there's a few features in Lion you still don't know about, 6 months later. ;)

LiesForTheLiars
Feb 27, 2012, 01:11 PM
Did we really ?

Don't mistake that list of "features" on Apple's site as a definitive list of everything there is. I bet there's a few features in Lion you still don't know about, 6 months later. ;)

I usually happen across new features by accident when I'm working.

iThinkergoiMac
Feb 27, 2012, 06:39 PM
Siri is a worthless gimmick anyhow. Call me when it becomes actually efficient to use, rather than just doing it the manual way on the touch screen.

What's your number? I want to inform you about how efficient Siri is in situations when using a touch screen would be impractical (or dangerous) but talking to your phone isn't (like when driving, for example).

alexreich
Feb 27, 2012, 07:00 PM
Siri isn't too great. I wouldn't use it if it was included in a OS X release. It seems to me like most people who bought a 4S got it for Siri, and they rarely use it. It's a cool toy, but it is no tool for working. It wouldn't increase workflow, and it's not even accurate most of the time. I don't see the big deal in typing your own sentences and working yourself....

No need for this voice control crap.

KnightWRX
Feb 27, 2012, 07:50 PM
What's your number? I want to inform you about how efficient Siri is in situations when using a touch screen would be impractical (or dangerous) but talking to your phone isn't (like when driving, for example).

I think you should concentrate on driving instead of trying to dictate text messages or setting reminders, no matter the input mode you're using.

And frankly, the last thing I want to do is repeat myself 50 times when driving and trying to concentrate on the road.

"Siri, remind me to buy bread when we're near IGA"
"Sorry, I don't understand"
"Remind me to... BUY BREAD.. NEAR IGA".
"Sorry, I'm having difficulties right now".
"Scratch that"
"I don't understand"
"Nevermind"
"I don't understand, sorry"
"CANCEL"
"OK".

Geez.

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It seems to me like most people who bought a 4S got it for Siri,

I bought a 4S for the A5 and SGX543MP2.

Kariya
Feb 27, 2012, 08:07 PM
Okay.

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqibx63vxi1qhq1pjo1_500.gif

Siri is highly unlikely to debut in ML...its not even out of beta on iOS.

throAU
Feb 27, 2012, 08:24 PM
Now, i don't see it as being a deal breaker if there is no siri, but i reckon it is ideal for those background things that distract you from your work.


eg:

Copying files - you get to a file it needs to know whether to over-write. The mac doesn't pop the window up, just says "do you want me to over-write xxx file?" and you answer "yes" or "no".

Need to spell/grammar check something? Ask siri.

Need to be reminded to come back to something? Tell siri. Eg "remind me to come back to this document tomorrow" or "remind me that I need to send this off by 4pm today!"


I reckon there's far more benefit to siri on the mac, than on the iphone, because the mac is a multi-tasking device with a lot more going on.

jackc
Feb 27, 2012, 08:28 PM
Copying files - you get to a file it needs to know whether to over-write. The mac doesn't pop the window up, just says "do you want me to over-write xxx file?" and you answer "yes" or "no".

Need to spell/grammar check something? Ask siri.

Need to be reminded to come back to something? Tell siri. Eg "remind me to come back to this document tomorrow" or "remind me that I need to send this off by 4pm today!"


Great idea, I suspect it's not ready for 10.8 but will come after that

throAU
Feb 27, 2012, 08:44 PM
Other examples...

"Copy all files older than 3 months to my disk External Drive"
"Delete all the videos i have watched" (in itunes)
"Compress any documents i haven't opened in 3 months"
"Create a new version of this file"

etc, etc...

Mad Mac Maniac
Feb 27, 2012, 09:13 PM
Siri would only be minimally useful on the desktop in its current form. iOS 6 will expand capabilities, allow for 3rd party apps, and include iPad. OSX 10.9 will include siri on Mac.

alexreich
Feb 27, 2012, 10:40 PM
answer "yes" or "no".

Now that's an idea. I could see a Siri-like interaction with Finder/other application's popup windows. That would be very useful in the workplace!

Using voice controls for inputs like these would be nice:
-Yes or No (all over OS X)
-Send Report or Ignore (Upon application crashing)
-Open or Don't Open (Upon opening a downloaded application for the first time)
-Quit (inside Software Update, though it is integrating with the App Store in ML)
-Close all tabs or Close Tab or Close (Safari)

"Begin new tweet" - for Twitter
"Check for new mail" - for Mail
"Create new mail draft" - for Mail
"Open/Go to websitenamehere.com" - for Safari
"Rotate image to the left/right" - for iPhoto
"Connect to server" - to bring the same result as when pressing Command+K in Finder
"Empty the Trash" - for Finder
"Open my Documents; Desktop; Music; Movies; Shared folder (whatever you say)" - for Finder
"Open the directory /Directory/You/Want/here" - for Finder
"What application is using the most power/RAM on my machine?" -for Activity Monitor
"Shut down; Restart; Sleep" -Universal
"What is the weather like today?" -copying current Siri :)
"Play my current Keynote presentation" -for Keynote
"Run application in full screen" -Universal
"Are there any updates available?" -for Mac App Store and Software Update
"Copy; Cut the selected text/image" -Universal
"Paste; Paste and match style from clipboard" -Universal
Etc...

The more that I think about it, better voice controls or Siri for Mac would be a treat. Though not a necessity, it would be nice. Maybe triggered by a hotkey on our Macs?

that1guyy
Feb 27, 2012, 11:05 PM
I like it. That would make me feel like a total bad ass from the future. And I'd get jealous glances from other people who are still using non-Siri devices. Its the perfect marketing ploy!! :p

I have a strong feeling that Siri for Mac had been in development since it had been for the iPhone. There are probably some kinks to work out with microphone on the mac but I think it will be released as a beta with ML 10.8. Apple is just keeping a secret.

Jare
Feb 27, 2012, 11:51 PM
Siri isn't available for the ML preview, but also it wasn't available last year for the iOS 5 preview, so I still hope that Siri will be available for the official release of Mountain Lion. I don't think that only the 10 apps included in ML are worth upgrading, even though it is said that there will be more than 100 new features without Siri.

So don't upgrade and go back to Winbloze. Apple doesn't care and neither do we what you end up doing.

cocky jeremy
Feb 28, 2012, 01:52 AM
Well, don't get too excited to upgrade then, because it's probably not coming to Mac anytime soon.

D-a-a-n
Feb 28, 2012, 04:05 AM
Sure, but why wait for a year, the update will be out in 5-6 moths and there is no point to wait 6 month and then update, because in another 6 moths there will be a new OS, so if you gonna update, do it as soon as the OS is out...

The ML will be cheap (I guess it won't be more expensive than Lion, which was 22 quid here in the UK) so I'll be definitely tempted, but let us see what else the Apple team will come up with, so far I'm most impressed with the unified address bar and search bar in Safari (which I'm pretty sure will be available to all, without the need to upgrade) and Messages (which won't be available to Lion users, however it's not worth 22 pounds).

You're impressed by the unified address bar...*cough* Chrome *cough for years*

A real update would be to finally support TRIM for not apple-certified ssd drives, built-in ML.

KnightWRX
Feb 28, 2012, 04:05 AM
Other examples...

"Copy all files older than 3 months to my disk External Drive"

Did you ever see what was older that 3 months on your OS X copy ?

Here's a hint of what it will copy :

sudo find / -mtime +90

Run that in Terminal. ;)

"Compress any documents i haven't opened in 3 months"

Look above. How do you define document ? I can see a system refusing to boot after being issued that command and Siri complying...

"Create a new version of this file"

Press button, "Create a new version of this file", "You want me to create a new version of this file in your current application ? Confirm cancel" "Yes, I do", "OK" is faster than clicking File->Duplicate ? :confused:

Takashi
Feb 29, 2012, 09:19 AM
Siri isn't available for the ML preview, but also it wasn't available last year for the iOS 5 preview, so I still hope that Siri will be available for the official release of Mountain Lion. I don't think that only the 10 apps included in ML are worth upgrading, even though it is said that there will be more than 100 new features without Siri.

If that is so, then ditch the computer and stick with the iphone.

heisenberg123
Feb 29, 2012, 09:54 AM
please rethink your decission, without your 22 pounds apple will go bankrupt and none of use can continue to get products from them.

Siri is great on a phone because sometimes you only have 1 hand free, but on a Mac you have both hands a mouse and full keyboard. Finding anything on a desktop/laptop is much faster and easier than on a iphone/ipad

Bear
Feb 29, 2012, 10:08 AM
Siri would only be minimally useful on the desktop in its current form. iOS 6 will expand capabilities, allow for 3rd party apps, and include iPad. OSX 10.9 will include siri on Mac.The problem with Siri on a Mac is that if you're not alone, someone nearby could give Siri directions and mess up something on the system. This could be alleviated with a headset I guess as long as Siri could be pointed to the headset.

I'm not saying Siri for OS X is bad. It's just that people will need to be careful. And I hope Apple has an option to disable it... among other reasons, disabling Siri could be good in noisy environments.