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MacRumors
Mar 7, 2012, 12:17 PM
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As expected, Apple today introduced an updated Apple TV (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2012/03/07Apple-Brings-1080p-High-Definition-to-New-Apple-TV.html) offering support for 1080p video, which is now also available through the iTunes Store. The company is also rolling out an updated interface for the set-top box, with icon-based category buttons and large billboard-style artwork for content.

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The new Apple TV maintains the same $99 price tag as its predecessor and is available for pre-order today. It launches on March 16th."People are going to love streaming movies and TV shows in 1080p with the new Apple TV, and photos look beautiful displayed at the maximum resolution of your TV," said Philip Schiller, Apple's senior vice president of Worldwide Marketing. "Apple TV is easier than ever to use with its new icon-based interface and the ability to access your purchased movies, TV shows and music right from iCloud."Apple's iCloud services have also been updated to support 1080p video, allowing users to stream their content to any linked device including the new Apple TV. AllThingsD notes (http://allthingsd.com/20120307/apple-tv-gets-a-refresh/), however, that not all studios are participating in the iCloud video streaming, with Fox and Universal having to hold out due to agreements with HBO.

Article Link: Apple Introduces New Apple TV Set-Top Box with 1080p Video and Updated Interface (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/03/07/apple-introduces-new-apple-tv-set-top-box-with-1080p-video-and-updated-interface/)



zed2
Mar 7, 2012, 12:21 PM
So can we upgrade the older iTV version 2 system to run this new interface? Is the only difference the 1080P?

jowie
Mar 7, 2012, 12:23 PM
icon-based interface is definitely paving the way for third-party apps.

WANT

Explorz
Mar 7, 2012, 12:24 PM
So, do all rental movies now stream in 1080p?

And I don't think the Generation 2 Apple TV will handle 1080p. I believe that is only available on the new hardware.

KylePowers
Mar 7, 2012, 12:24 PM
Very, very surprised to see no Siri.

Controlling Netflix via Xbox 360 Kinect (voice) is awesome

Macman45
Mar 7, 2012, 12:25 PM
So, do all rental movies now stream in 1080p?

And I don't think the Generation 2 Apple TV will handle 1080p. I believe that is only available on the new hardware.

Itunes is already tagging 720p..It's logic to assume that 1080p will be similarly tagged.

starbird
Mar 7, 2012, 12:26 PM
So can we upgrade the older iTV version 2 system to run this new interface? Is the only difference the 1080P?

That is what I want to know. Hope so.

starbird
Mar 7, 2012, 12:27 PM
Itunes is already tagging 720p..It's logic to assume that 1080p will be similarly tagged.

But if I buy a 1080p movie, will the appletv 2 still play them in 720p?

wackymacky
Mar 7, 2012, 12:28 PM
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Yet we know they are developing a integrated device. Think I'll sick with my current one for a few months to see what happens.

nickelt
Mar 7, 2012, 12:29 PM
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Is there no app store for apple tv yet???

CylonGlitch
Mar 7, 2012, 12:30 PM
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potatis
Mar 7, 2012, 12:39 PM
To bad a new version of Handbrake was released one week ago. Now have to wait another year for an ATV3 preset.

Pakaku
Mar 7, 2012, 12:43 PM
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Is there no app store for apple tv yet???

I'm going to assume, as the Apple TV is still a streaming device, that Apple wants iTunes to be the 'App Store' for the Apple TV.

stuckwithme247
Mar 7, 2012, 12:49 PM
Very, very surprised to see no Siri.

Controlling Netflix via Xbox 360 Kinect (voice) is awesome

I see how that can work with the 360 mic, but it's just a little box. You would really have to yell at that thing to get it to work :)

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To bad a new version of Handbrake was released one week ago. Now have to wait another year for an ATV3 preset.

It's just a preset, you can create your own for it

CmdrLaForge
Mar 7, 2012, 12:55 PM
Now I buy one. Finally after all those years.

GenesisST
Mar 7, 2012, 01:11 PM
Now I buy one. Finally after all those years.

After all these 2 years?

EDIT: too many open tabs from too many news... I thought this was the new iPad thread...

Blasterzilla
Mar 7, 2012, 01:24 PM
After all these 2 years?

Original Apple TV was released January 9th 2007 - according to Wikipedia.

Diode
Mar 7, 2012, 01:26 PM
I wonder if the new interface will get pushed to the ATV2.

Rodimus Prime
Mar 7, 2012, 01:28 PM
So can we upgrade the older iTV version 2 system to run this new interface? Is the only difference the 1080P?

sounds like it. I believe many of us called Apple it doing a pretty BS move by limiting the last Apple TV to 720P. They wanted an excuse to try to get people to upgrade. I believe the chips in the last Apple TV even supported 1080P. Just Apple choose not to connect it so they could make the 1080P some huge update.

nickn
Mar 7, 2012, 01:32 PM
Why even bother, just get a Roku for $50 bucks. It has been able to download apps for years.

bobbyz110
Mar 7, 2012, 01:33 PM
I wonder if the new interface will get pushed to the ATV2.

The press release on engadgets site from apple says the new UI is available today for second generation atv's, and only third gen hardware will be needed for 1080p content.

Tilpots
Mar 7, 2012, 01:33 PM
sounds like it. I believe many of us called Apple it doing a pretty BS move by limiting the last Apple TV to 720P. They wanted an excuse to try to get people to upgrade. I believe the chips in the last Apple TV even supported 1080P. Just Apple choose not to connect it so they could make the 1080P some huge update.

With the iP4S shooting 1080p, they had to make the AppleTV compatible. I'm hoping ATV gets pulled itno the yearly product update cycle, where they're forced to innovate and progress. Apps anyone? Me, too.

nutmac
Mar 7, 2012, 01:41 PM
Not a bad update, particularly the new UI.

That said, while I wasn't expecting apps or anything, Hulu is long overdue and disappointing omission.

ChristianJapan
Mar 7, 2012, 01:41 PM
No Hulu, no upgrade ... That's my most missed feature on ATV

lunarworks
Mar 7, 2012, 01:44 PM
If an A5 chip and 1080p are the only new features, and the new UI is available to me, I'll hang onto my 2nd gen Apple TV for a little bit longer.

jwhite878
Mar 7, 2012, 01:44 PM
Anyone know if airplay mirroring will account for the iPad's higher resolution?

JrdBeau
Mar 7, 2012, 01:45 PM
A single core A5? Typo?

http://www.apple.com/appletv/specs.html

Lennholm
Mar 7, 2012, 01:45 PM
So, is this attached to a 42 inch panel or not?

ipedro
Mar 7, 2012, 01:45 PM
I was pretty close....


Oct 17, 2011

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/9786/appletvapps.png

WannaGoMac
Mar 7, 2012, 01:46 PM
I would buy one if they let me run apps... now have to wait for a jailbreak if I do it.

kyjaotkb
Mar 7, 2012, 01:47 PM
they're listing the processor as a "single core A5"
So,
- iPhone 4S = dual core A5, dual core GPU
- iPad ("the new") = dual core A5, quad core GPU
- Apple TV = single core A5, single core GPU

sounds strange

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A single core A5? Typo?

http://www.apple.com/appletv/specs.html

you beat me to it...

nfl46
Mar 7, 2012, 01:47 PM
Blah update...just an 1080p update. They could have done that last year, instead of waiting 2 years. Would have been fine being a silent update.

kyjaotkb
Mar 7, 2012, 01:48 PM
Anyone know if airplay mirroring will account for the iPad's higher resolution?

find us a 3MP HDTV first...

CmdrLaForge
Mar 7, 2012, 01:48 PM
After all these 2 years?

What you mean with 2 years. If I recall correctly the apple tv was introduced 2007 and presented in 2006.

I was specifically waiting for full HD for slideshows.

BlackMangoTree
Mar 7, 2012, 01:50 PM
Boring, what a useless update.

So basically they just added 1080p output since the Apple TV2 can play back 1080p.

fel10
Mar 7, 2012, 01:51 PM
So can we upgrade the older iTV version 2 system to run this new interface? Is the only difference the 1080P?

I was wondering the same thing. I hope so.

Sweshiman
Mar 7, 2012, 01:52 PM
So no kind of app-store or similar where you can get third-party apps? From what I read most people jb their Apple TV's only to get apps that apple would probably accepted in an app store by Apple, so it seems strange that they still won't open one.

That's a dissappointment, the difference between 720p and 1080p aint that huge so i'll still probably just stick with my 2G Atv

BlackMangoTree
Mar 7, 2012, 01:53 PM
I was wondering the same thing. I hope so.

Sites are reporting they you will be able to sometime today

MacCraig Pro
Mar 7, 2012, 01:54 PM
Glad I'm not the only one who sees this as abit of a let down.

Been waiting since September 2010 for an update and all we get is 1080p and a new interface. No reason to upgrade from an ATV2, well done Apple for doing nothing!

Even the iPad to me seems a let down, nothing really that new or great...

Oh and I'm not an Apple basher, just expected and wanted more for me to part with my cash...

Lesser Evets
Mar 7, 2012, 01:56 PM
PS3 + 1TB internal stacked with video + PMS software + Mac > ATV... still.

Unless Apple has something in that thing which they didn't reveal, it's still not besting the PS3. Pity, but then the PS3 with Playstation Media Server is superb.

segfaultdotorg
Mar 7, 2012, 01:57 PM
It looks like they have the irritating "Top Movies," "Top TV shows," and "Top Podcasts" advertising which drives me crazy on my first-gen ATV.

I will probably still buy one once refurbished models are available in a month or two, I've been waiting for 1080p for a long time.

parish
Mar 7, 2012, 01:57 PM
Since I don't have an ATV2 (or 1) I can't see this as a let-down, although I kind of understand where existing ATV2 owners are coming from.

As soon as the UK store comes back online I'll be placing my order :D

ftaok
Mar 7, 2012, 01:59 PM
Anyone know if airplay mirroring will account for the iPad's higher resolution?

It won't matter since you have, at best, a 1080p. So mirroring a new iPad screen will still give you a 1080x810 or 1440x1080 display.

Kid A
Mar 7, 2012, 02:00 PM
I was pretty close....

not really... :confused:

Jony Mac
Mar 7, 2012, 02:00 PM
This is right from Apple's press release.

Second generation Apple TV users can install the new Apple TV user interface via a free software update, available today......

Guess I'll just update mine for now to get the new UI.

Apple Brings 1080p High Definition to New Apple TV (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2012/03/07Apple-Brings-1080p-High-Definition-to-New-Apple-TV.html)

randyharris
Mar 7, 2012, 02:01 PM
I'll be sticking to my original AppleTV (gen1) until this new AppleTV does apps, games, video subscriptions from providers like Hulu, ESPN, HBO, etc.

omenatarhuri
Mar 7, 2012, 02:01 PM
I think the euro-price has gone up 10% to 109 Euro. Was 99 EUR.

bedifferent
Mar 7, 2012, 02:01 PM
(Posted this in the Coverage thread, thought it would be more appropriate here)

I know it's early on specs but does anyone know if the new model supports:

- DTS Sound for 1080P movies.

I've ripped my Blu-Ray's with multiple tracks, the first being stereo for iDevices as iOS defaults to that track and the rest DTS in mkv. My Pioneer AVR supports everything, but the only way to play DTS is through a jailbroken AppleTV with third party plugins. The latest Handbrake now supports DTS in m4v containers which may solve the next issue...

- File Formats

Currently only mp4, m4v, et all are supported leaving mkv out (doubtful it will be supported). Easy resolution would be to remux my mkv's as DTS sound can be used in m4v containers.

- Bluetooth 4.0? Support for external media servers?

My current setup includes a jailbroken first gen with a Crystal HD card for 1080P and a second gen, both jailbroken and running XBMC for 1080P movies and access to my media server(s). If this new model can replace all that, I'm sold.

radek42
Mar 7, 2012, 02:01 PM
It's too bad. I really hate the idea to run a desktop computer just to access my movies/pictures/music. Can one this functionality with jailbreaking? Or perhaps I could set up DAAP service on linux file server, but it's just more work.

Why'o'why wont Apple allow sharing (even with their own airport extreme router)?

R>

longofest
Mar 7, 2012, 02:02 PM
A single core A5? Typo?

http://www.apple.com/appletv/specs.html

not a typo. It's a single core A5.

John.B
Mar 7, 2012, 02:02 PM
So can we upgrade the older iTV version 2 system to run this new interface? Is the only difference the 1080P?

It may be too much to ask for, but I'm still hopeful...

ETA: Thanks to Jony Mac, six posts above me (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=14446966&postcount=45):

Apple - Press Info - Apple Brings 1080p High Definition to New Apple TV (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2012/03/07Apple-Brings-1080p-High-Definition-to-New-Apple-TV.html)

Pricing & Availability
Apple TV will be available on Friday, March 16 for a suggested retail price of $99 (US) through the Apple online store, Apple’s retail stores and Apple Authorized Resellers. Apple TV requires iTunes 10.5 or later. Apple TV requires an 802.11g/n Wi-Fi network or Ethernet network, a broadband Internet connection and a HD TV capable of 1080p or 720p and an HDMI cable that is sold separately. iTunes movie and TV show availability varies by country. Second generation Apple TV users can install the new Apple TV user interface via a free software update, available today. Third generation Apple TV hardware is required to play 1080p video.

J@ffa
Mar 7, 2012, 02:02 PM
People claiming that the Apple TV this replaces is capable of 1080p are flat out wrong. I've tried it myself, every way possible (jailbreaking, setting false tags, etc). It stutters and/or crashes the device.

Looking forward to this! Any word on whether this interface will come to the 720p version? Mothballing it update-wise would seem a bit premature…

motulist
Mar 7, 2012, 02:02 PM
This is a complete carbon copy of Roku and Netflix on Roku.

http://asset1.cbsistatic.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2011/11/04/IMG_0214_540x315.JPG

http://socialtv.media.mit.edu/tvbox/photos/roku_netflix2.jpeg

Frankied22
Mar 7, 2012, 02:03 PM
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I want to know if Hulu Plus and HBO GO will finally come to ATV. If not, I will just continue using my Roku 2 XD

MacCraig Pro
Mar 7, 2012, 02:03 PM
This is right from Apple's press release.

Second generation Apple TV users can install the new Apple TV user interface via a free software update, available today......

Guess I'll just update mine for now to get the new UI.

Apple Brings 1080p High Definition to New Apple TV (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2012/03/07Apple-Brings-1080p-High-Definition-to-New-Apple-TV.html)

Great so even the new UI isn't a reason to upgrade seeing as my ATV2 can get it too. I suppose thats a good thing though, not being left in the cold like the original ATV when it went to iOS.

Icaras
Mar 7, 2012, 02:04 PM
I just read this straight from the Apple TV page:


With Apple TV, you get instant access to buy or rent the hottest HD movies — many in 1080p and often available the same day they come out on DVD
http://www.apple.com/appletv/whats-on/#itunes

I checked the page for Hugo and it reads 720p" (HD). I don't remember seeing them actually specifying resolution? Is this a new change in the iTunes store? I'm trying to scour the Movies section to see if any movie lists for 1080p.

Can anyone else confirm this?

DaveGee
Mar 7, 2012, 02:05 PM
PS3 + 1TB internal stacked with video + PMS software + Mac > ATV... still.

Unless Apple has something in that thing which they didn't reveal, it's still not besting the PS3. Pity, but then the PS3 with Playstation Media Server is superb.

Really??

Hmmm

250ish for PS3
100ish for 1TB HD ... Unless the prices have dropped back to the proper levels.
300 or more for a used Mac capable of running windows virtually

SO!

A $650 investment outdoes a $99 box.. Shocking! :eek:

mrjosh
Mar 7, 2012, 02:05 PM
No Hulu, no upgrade ... That's my most missed feature on ATV

This. It's the only thing keeping me away from the ATV. I have a roku which is ok; it hurts a little when I have to purchase things on Amazon. Nope - I don't want (or need) 2 little boxes.

zephyr67
Mar 7, 2012, 02:07 PM
Okay, I like the Icons if they are on my ATV2 but really, I am still waiting for the point of this thing. Just give me Hulu for God's sake!

BlackMangoTree
Mar 7, 2012, 02:11 PM
People claiming that the Apple TV this replaces is capable of 1080p are flat out wrong. I've tried it myself, every way possible (jailbreaking, setting false tags, etc). It stutters and/or crashes the device.

Looking forward to this! Any word on whether this interface will come to the 720p version? Mothballing it update-wise would seem a bit premature…

It plays 1080p video recorded with the iPhone 4s perfectly.

gri
Mar 7, 2012, 02:12 PM
Does anyone have the same problem with the AppleTV2: I rented a movie and watch it a few days later. In the middle of it suddenly it stoops and the circle starts to rotate, than after a couple minutes it says "ready to watch in X time", where X is increasing from 50 minutes to 3 hours within a minute or so. At the same time streaming Netflix is no issue at all so its not the network... I am bringing this up here as I hoped for a storage capacity on the ATv as I never have that issue if I streamed an already downloaded movie from the iPad. It seems that the AppleTV is downloading the movie after renting but if e.g. Netflix is being streamed in the meantime it forgets the downloaded one and starts all over again...?

accidental
Mar 7, 2012, 02:14 PM
This is a complete carbon copy of Roku and Netflix on Roku.

Image (http://asset1.cbsistatic.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2011/11/04/IMG_0214_540x315.JPG)

Image (http://socialtv.media.mit.edu/tvbox/photos/roku_netflix2.jpeg)

Ahhh … no.

If by "complete carbon copy" you don't mean "complete carbon copy" and instead mean "uses graphical icons instead of a list menu like many other including iOS" then … sure.

proglife
Mar 7, 2012, 02:14 PM
All I want is NFL games.

John.B
Mar 7, 2012, 02:15 PM
But if I buy a 1080p movie, will the appletv 2 still play them in 720p?

I assume it would downres just fine, but if it's streaming, why wouldn't it just download the 720p version instead?

I actually might save some bandwidth, now that Cox instituted monthly downloads limits.

doyouloveit?
Mar 7, 2012, 02:16 PM
I have ATV2, with the new update will I be able to get icloud support? So in other words the ONLY new feature on the new Apple TV is 1080p? If I can get the icloud feature through the update then I will be fine with my ATV2.

alexandero
Mar 7, 2012, 02:16 PM
It feels like Apple is seeing the ATV as the replacement for the Airport Express, which was not updated since 2008.

Now I hope one can configure the new ATV without a TV screen, as the only thing I'd currently need it for is to AirPlay music to my speakers. Maybe I'll buy a beamer one day and then I'll be glad to have an ATV and not a Airport Express, but currently I'm without any TV in my apartment. I haven't missed it for quite a while, as I'm watching all content on computer screens anyway.

Or will I really need to borrow the TV screen from my neighbor just to setup that new ATV?

LaNex
Mar 7, 2012, 02:17 PM
ATV2 with the current version of the OS supports VoiceOver (screen reader for blind folks.) I can't find anything about the new ATV or the new UI/OS that mentions if it also supports VO. Usually it's found on the tech specs page but as far as I can see (boom tish ! pun intended) it's not mentioned.

As I use it (VoiceOver) I'm not about to update my ATV2 to the new UI unless I can find that out.

rusty2192
Mar 7, 2012, 02:20 PM
This is a complete carbon copy of Roku and Netflix on Roku.

Image (http://asset1.cbsistatic.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2011/11/04/IMG_0214_540x315.JPG)

Image (http://socialtv.media.mit.edu/tvbox/photos/roku_netflix2.jpeg)

Uh, no. The Roku uses a single string on rectangular icons that just loops infinitely. This is nothing like the grid that Apple just revealed.

And I sure hope the new Netflix app isn't the same as the one on the Roku. I hate it compared to the interface on my ATV2. Netflix on the ATV2 is by far the best implementation I have seen.

MacAddict1978
Mar 7, 2012, 02:24 PM
But if I buy a 1080p movie, will the appletv 2 still play them in 720p?

Yes. It's hardware isn't capable of playing above 720P. The better question is, if you buy a 1080P movie, will iTunes automatically adjust it to play on the Apple TV, or will you have to have 2 versions of the movie? Renting or streaming, the server will just send you the correct feed. Owning I'm wondering... currently, not seeing anything in iTunes offered in 1080P.

Also, will they let you upgrade prior purchases in 720P to a 1080P copy?

Icaras
Mar 7, 2012, 02:26 PM
Also, will they let you upgrade prior purchases in 720P to a 1080P copy?

Thats the burning question in my mind as well.

jamesryanbell
Mar 7, 2012, 02:27 PM
Does it have the A5X in it? Also, still 8GB Flash Memory?

breese2001
Mar 7, 2012, 02:28 PM
No Hulu, no upgrade ... That's my most missed feature on ATV

For the life of me, I can't figure out why it's taken so long to get Hulu+ on the ATV.

MacAddict1978
Mar 7, 2012, 02:29 PM
It feels like Apple is seeing the ATV as the replacement for the Airport Express, which was not updated since 2008.

Now I hope one can configure the new ATV without a TV screen, as the only thing I'd currently need it for is to AirPlay music to my speakers. Maybe I'll buy a beamer one day and then I'll be glad to have an ATV and not a Airport Express, but currently I'm without any TV in my apartment. I haven't missed it for quite a while, as I'm watching all content on computer screens anyway.

Or will I really need to borrow the TV screen from my neighbor just to setup that new ATV?

I'm a bit lost with your post... The Airport express hasn't needed an update. It's their entry level router, and it already supports N Wifi. (It's not like Time Capsule where it's running a lot of software and sync services inside) It also supports audio cables, which the Apple tv does not. So why would you buy an Apple TV to stream music to speakers? That makes no sense. Do you have speakers with optical jacks or hdmi ports??? The Apple TV would not be a good device for streaming audio.

The Airport express also allows you to use iTunes to select which speakers to send the signal too. The Apple TV also doesn't do this. It's just not that kind of device. It's TV... not audio.

nfl46
Mar 7, 2012, 02:29 PM
Does it have the A5X in it? Also, still 8GB Flash Memory?
No, it as a single for A5 in it.

http://www.apple.com/appletv/specs.html

kwandrews
Mar 7, 2012, 02:30 PM
All I want is NFL games.

I understand. However, this is not a unique problem to Apple. We have access to NBA, MLB, NHL, etc. but no NFL. The problem, for any services outside of broadcast TV and cable is this....and it's impacting everyone's ability to access the games via other methods. Even streaming radio broadcasts of games are restricted!

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123786503490122053.html
"DirecTV pays the NFL about $700 million a year for the exclusive right to sell the Sunday Ticket package. That package allows fans to see every NFL game on Sundays, as opposed to simply the games shown on local broadcast channels.

Major cable operators have been trying to reach a deal with the NFL to sell the Sunday Ticket and share revenue with the league, but the NFL has preferred to take a lump-sum payment from DirecTV, which has used the product to lure viewers away from cable subscriptions to satellite."

mathewr
Mar 7, 2012, 02:30 PM
hi guys,

i just got a sony smart tv, and my brothers got me an apple tv for my bday. would I use the apple tv, or should i just return it and let my brothers save their money?

Thanks

ipedro
Mar 7, 2012, 02:31 PM
Does it have the A5X in it? Also, still 8GB Flash Memory?

It has a "Single core A5".

Like the previous version, Apple doesn't indicate flash memory. iFixIt found that out after opening the device.

It appears memory won't be a consumer visible comparison point like iPads and iPhones. If an app store is indeed coming (and it appears they're preparing for it), they'll have a small footprint as not to take up space in the 8GB.

MacAddict1978
Mar 7, 2012, 02:31 PM
Anyone know if airplay mirroring will account for the iPad's higher resolution?

The display resolution has nothing to do with Airplay mirroring. It's the resolution of the source material that matters.

If a developer updates their app to full take advantage of the retina display on an iPad, then it will also look better on your TV. It's no different than say mirroring a small photo that was taken with an old 1mp camera and another photo with a 12MP camera unscaled. The former is going to look awful.

Think also for comparsion, apps not designed for the iPad that have to be scaled. They look bad on the iPad, they'll look worse on the TV.

Icaras
Mar 7, 2012, 02:32 PM
The iTunes Movies section just got updated with iCloud and a new "Purchased" link! Yay :D

kwandrews
Mar 7, 2012, 02:33 PM
The upgrade will be great from an Apple TV 1. For a ATV2, just update the OS and have most of the features. For me, I could care less about 720p vs. 1080.

I have over 300 movies of all types in my iTunes library (movies I've shot, movies from iTunes and movies from legally purchased DVD's I've converted) and I stream them all to my TV's via ATV2 (x2) and ATV1 (x1). Netflix, I'm a pretty frequent users.

I love Hulu and would love to have HuluPLus on the ATV3 natively. However, if I can send that to the ATV2 via Airplay from my Mac's in the OS X update, it will be great!

fpnc
Mar 7, 2012, 02:34 PM
So, I was thinking that when they added 1080p support they would obviously offer support for 1080i, but it appears from the specs that it does NOT. I wanted 1080i so that I could use it on my rear-projection TV which does not support either 720p or 1080p

Compatible with high-definition TVs with HDMI and capable of 1080p or 720p at 60/50Hz

At the beginning of the HD transition weren't there a good number of TVs that didn't support 1080p (i.e. only 720p and 1080i -- you know, the HD broadcast standards)?

I just wonder whether the new software update continues to support 480p. If they've taken that out and don't support 1080i then I can't use the new Apple TV.

Thus (apparently), still nothing from Apple that can replace the 1st generation Apple TV for some of us early adapters.

maber23
Mar 7, 2012, 02:34 PM
I think the euro-price has gone up 10% to 109 Euro. Was 99 EUR.

Not in Spain!

In Spain, AppleTV2 was 119€, now AppleTV3 is 109€, not bad!

8281
Mar 7, 2012, 02:37 PM
icon-based interface is definitely paving the way for third-party apps.

WANT

I certainly hope so...why hobble the Apple TV so much? I can't imagine there are contract disagreements between content providers, since the Roku has Hulu, Amazon Video, and (I think) HBO GO. It has so much potential...Maybe some of these issues will be fixed with Airplay coming to Lion, but I don't want to have my laptop open every time I want to watch something.

J@ffa
Mar 7, 2012, 02:41 PM
It plays 1080p video recorded with the iPhone 4s perfectly.

The files get downgraded on the fly. Not sure whether the 4S or the Apple TV do this part (I'd guess the 4S), but yah.

YoungCreative
Mar 7, 2012, 02:41 PM
Why even bother, just get a Roku for $50 bucks. It has been able to download apps for years.

And Roku has HuluPlus. That is 100% of the reason why I don't buy an AppleTV over a Roku. I know that Apple can offer it because it is already on iPhone and iPad. They are just trying to milk us for evey $1.99 per episode that they can get. :mad:

Oh well, looks like Roku still gets my purchase money.

HotRodGuy
Mar 7, 2012, 02:43 PM
I understand. However, this is not a unique problem to Apple. We have access to NBA, MLB, NHL, etc. but no NFL. The problem, for any services outside of broadcast TV and cable is this....and it's impacting everyone's ability to access the games via other methods. Even streaming radio broadcasts of games are restricted!

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123786503490122053.html
"DirecTV pays the NFL about $700 million a year for the exclusive right to sell the Sunday Ticket package. That package allows fans to see every NFL game on Sundays, as opposed to simply the games shown on local broadcast channels.

Major cable operators have been trying to reach a deal with the NFL to sell the Sunday Ticket and share revenue with the league, but the NFL has preferred to take a lump-sum payment from DirecTV, which has used the product to lure viewers away from cable subscriptions to satellite."


My PS3 does it fine :)

ipedro
Mar 7, 2012, 02:44 PM
The iTunes Movies section just got updated with iCloud and a new "Purchased" link! Yay :D

I'm still trying to find out if this is available in all markets. Right now in iTunes Canada, I only see TV Shows, Music, Apps and Books. No movies,

EDIT: It requires iTunes 10.6. Available now.

Automatic downloads and downloading previous purchases require iOS 4.3.3 or later on iPhone 3GS or later, iPod touch (3rd and 4th generation), or iPad; iOS 5 on iPhone 4 (CDMA model); or a Mac or PC with iTunes 10.3.1 or later. Previous purchases may be unavailable if they are no longer in the iTunes Store, App Store, or iBookstore. Downloading previous movie purchases requires iTunes 10.6, iOS 5 or later, or Apple TV software 4.3 or later. Not all previously purchased movies are available for downloading to your other devices.Download iTunes 10.6 free.

YoungCreative
Mar 7, 2012, 02:46 PM
For the life of me, I can't figure out why it's taken so long to get Hulu+ on the ATV.

Apple doesn't want to ruin iTune TV episode sales. I know it's not a technical or licensing issue because HuluPlus is already running on iOS with the iPhone and iPad.

siritalks
Mar 7, 2012, 02:46 PM
Could someone clear something up for me... Now that the aTV can play things from iCloud, that means we don't need to have our Macs switched on to watch our content doesn't it? If so, that in itself is a big upgrade.

citi
Mar 7, 2012, 02:47 PM
sounds like it. I believe many of us called Apple it doing a pretty BS move by limiting the last Apple TV to 720P. They wanted an excuse to try to get people to upgrade. I believe the chips in the last Apple TV even supported 1080P. Just Apple choose not to connect it so they could make the 1080P some huge update.

First of all, most people have 720p sets so it was really a moot point and a lot of budget 1080p TVs looks worse than a Cheaper but better 720p TV. I have 3 flatscreens. One 1080p and Two 720ps. I will buy the updated Apple TV and pass the other to the 720p. The older Apple TV will still work fine

People spend too much time thinking the need the best of something when for most, will not tap into the higher specifications. My kid does not care that his Sprouts channel is only 480p. He watches without complaining.

ftaok
Mar 7, 2012, 02:47 PM
And Roku has HuluPlus. That is 100% of the reason why I don't buy an AppleTV over a Roku. I know that Apple can offer it because it is already on iPhone and iPad. They are just trying to milk us for evey $1.99 per episode that they can get. :mad:


What makes you think that Apple is the hold-up on getting HuluPlus on the aTV? Perhaps Hulu doesn't want to be on the aTV. Or maybe not.

alexandero
Mar 7, 2012, 02:48 PM
The Airport express hasn't needed an update. It's their entry level router, and it already supports N Wifi.

Well, we have the situation of having two items that more or less cost the same. One of them can stream music to speakers and has not been updated for four years. The other one can stream music to speakers but also has quite a lot of additional video-related functionality (and maybe support for apps sooner or later too), and has been updated right now.

Yes I know the Airport Express has a built in router, but I have a Time Capsule sitting right next to it, so I don't need any additional routing functionality, actually I wouldn't even need wireless functionality. A ethernet to AirPlay audio converter would be sufficient, if that existed.

It also supports audio cables, which the Apple tv does not. So why would you buy an Apple TV to stream music to speakers? That makes no sense. Do you have speakers with optical jacks or hdmi ports??? The Apple TV would not be a good device for streaming audio.

My stereo has a dual optical/analog audio in AUX port, which is what I've been using for the past five or so years. Until my Airport Express died a few months ago. Why should the AppleTV not be a good device for streaming audio?

The Airport express also allows you to use iTunes to select which speakers to send the signal too. The Apple TV also doesn't do this.

That's good to know, but for the size of my apartment a single set of speakers is sufficient. :)

Icaras
Mar 7, 2012, 02:51 PM
Attention: 1080p movies now available on itunes

fpnc
Mar 7, 2012, 02:51 PM
Could someone clear something up for me... Now that the aTV can play things from iCloud, that means we don't need to have our Macs switched on to watch our content doesn't it? If so, that in itself is a big upgrade.
On the existing Apple TV 2 you could already use iCloud streaming for TV shows and music, so that's not such a big change (I guess they've now added movies over iCloud for SOME of the studios and titles).

Icaras
Mar 7, 2012, 02:51 PM
NO Upgrade prices for 720p owners!

scottwaugh
Mar 7, 2012, 02:52 PM
they're listing the processor as a "single core A5"
So,
- iPhone 4S = dual core A5, dual core GPU
- iPad ("the new") = dual core A5, quad core GPU
- Apple TV = single core A5, single core GPU

sounds strange

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you beat me to it...

Not that unusual from the standpoint of chipmaking. Often multi-core chips (especially early on in the chip lifecycle) will have errors that render a core damaged or inoperable - often means throwing the entire chip away. However if designed properly (and there's a use) the producer can disable the inoperable cores and put the single core chip into use - it would seem a win-win for Apple...these would be chips they'd normally be throwing away if its really single core.

Icaras
Mar 7, 2012, 02:53 PM
In order to download existing movies in 1080p, you need to go into the store settings in the iTunes preferences and select 1080p!

ipedro
Mar 7, 2012, 02:58 PM
NO Upgrade prices for 720p owners!

There are no prices. iTunes will stream the movie at the highest resolution that your device supports. If you have an AppleTV3, it'll download and play your HD movies in 1080p (if available).

MythicFrost
Mar 7, 2012, 02:58 PM
Are you americans able to re-download movies yet? I'm in Australia and it's not showing up here yet, I was hoping it would straight away :p

The Apple TV will likely be a dual-core A5 with a single SGX543.

Icaras
Mar 7, 2012, 03:02 PM
There are no prices. iTunes will stream the movie at the highest resolution that your device supports. If you have an AppleTV3, it'll download and play your HD movies in 1080p (if available).

I'm talking about downloading previous purchases on your Mac. And some people didn't believe that it would be free to upgrade your existing content to 1080p.

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Are you americans able to re-download movies yet? I'm in Australia and it's not showing up here yet, I was hoping it would straight away :p

The Apple TV will likely be a dual-core A5 with a single SGX543.

Yep, redownloading UP in 1080p right now :D

alexinbmth
Mar 7, 2012, 03:02 PM
Just got an update for my ATV2 5 Mins to go :D

citi
Mar 7, 2012, 03:03 PM
NO Upgrade prices for 720p owners!

are you serious? Did you get an upgrade price for you macbook pro, your ipad, your ipod? It's $99 dollars. Use the other Apple TV for your bedroom or a paper weight

edit: Maybe you were talking about your actual movie downloads, if so than the uploads appear to be free.

fpnc
Mar 7, 2012, 03:06 PM
It has a "Single core A5"...
I bet they are using the reject A5 dual-core chips that don't have a functioning second core. They may have planned this from the very beginnings of the A5 and thus they could have a good number of the single-core-limited chips already sitting in a warehouse waiting for just such a product.

It would seem very strange for them to redesign the existing dual-core A5 just for the Apple TV, I'm sure it is the same chip, just with only one functioning core (the other being defective or intentionally disabled).

milo
Mar 7, 2012, 03:06 PM
And Roku has HuluPlus. That is 100% of the reason why I don't buy an AppleTV over a Roku. I know that Apple can offer it because it is already on iPhone and iPad. They are just trying to milk us for evey $1.99 per episode that they can get. :mad:

You're assuming it's an intentional limitation by Apple, but it could be something that Hulu insists on for whatever reason. Don't forget, the iOS Hulu app has no Airplay or wired output to TV either so it sure looks like they want to limit it to mobile devices.

Roku supports a lot of things but in some of those cases it looks like they're hacking around things.

MythicFrost
Mar 7, 2012, 03:06 PM
I'm talking about downloading previous purchases on your Mac. And some people didn't believe that it would be free to upgrade your existing content to 1080p.

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Yep, redownloading UP in 1080p right now :D
Wow, but the question is can you download movies bought in SD as HD? I'm thinking not, sadly. Can you give it a shot?

It would be so awesome if you could, but Apple charges more for HD. So I don't think we'll see it happen.

fpnc
Mar 7, 2012, 03:06 PM
Just got an update for my ATV2 5 Mins to go :D
Does 480p still work (that is, is it available under the resolution settings)?

aikomhoch
Mar 7, 2012, 03:08 PM
Would love to see HBO GO on there as well.

alexinbmth
Mar 7, 2012, 03:08 PM
Does 480p still work (that is, is it available under the resolution settings)?

Step 1 of 2 Preparing update.....it's taking ages

ipedro
Mar 7, 2012, 03:13 PM
I can confirm that downloading previously purchased movies only works in the US.

Apple.com (US):
Individually download past purchases.
When you buy a song, movie, TV show, app, or book from the App Store or the iTunes Store, iCloud stores it in your purchase history. So you can download what you want, from any of your devices, to whichever devices you choose.2 For example, if you don’t want your iPad to automatically download everything you buy on your iPhone, you can choose just the things you do want to download — song by song, movie by movie, app by app, and book by book.

Apple.ca (Canada):
Individually download past purchases.
When you buy a song, TV show, app, or book from the App Store or the iTunes Store, iCloud stores it in your purchase history. So you can download what you want, from any of your devices, to whichever devices you choose.1 For example, if you don’t want your iPad to automatically download everything you buy on your iPhone, you can choose just the things you do want to download — song by song, episode by episode, app by app, and book by book.

Apple.com/uk (UK):
Individually download past purchases.
When you buy a song, app or book from the App Store or the iTunes Store, iCloud stores it in your purchase history. So you can download what you want, from any of your devices, to whichever devices you choose.1 If you don’t want your iPad to automatically download everything you buy on your iPhone, for example, you can choose just the things you do want to download — song by song, app by app and book by book.

Icaras
Mar 7, 2012, 03:17 PM
Wow, but the question is can you download movies bought in SD as HD? I'm thinking not, sadly. Can you give it a shot?

It would be so awesome if you could, but Apple charges more for HD. So I don't think we'll see it happen.

Well I've never purchased an SD movie or TV show from the iTunes that was available in HD (I've always purchased HD), but I have a load of SD content from all my past digital copies from blu-ray purchases. Apple allows you to download those from the cloud too, but heres the great thing:

No, you do not get automatic access to the HD version (darn), but if the movie has any upgraded bells and whistles, like Extras, Dolby Digital 5.1, Closed captioning, you get all that free.

Just tried with my Star Trek digital copy. It was just a bare bones SD movie file. Trashed it, and proceeded to download from iCloud. It's now downloading the movie along with the "Extras" from iTunes. Pretty awesome deal if you ask me. This also bypasses the user from having to deal with the studios in case your digital copy gets lost or accidentally deleted. :)

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are you serious? Did you get an upgrade price for you macbook pro, your ipad, your ipod? It's $99 dollars. Use the other Apple TV for your bedroom or a paper weight

edit: Maybe you were talking about your actual movie downloads, if so than the uploads appear to be free.

Yes, I was talking about movie downloads to your Mac. If you previously purchased a movie in HD, you can redownload it now from iCloud in 1080p. Just make sure to configure for 1080p downloads in the iTunes Store preferences.

ivladster
Mar 7, 2012, 03:17 PM
Why even bother, just get a Roku for $50 bucks. It has been able to download apps for years.

Yeah you can't stream anything playing on your iPhone or iPad, such as games, photos, music, movies etc. That's a major FAIL for Roku even at $50.

Lesser Evets
Mar 7, 2012, 03:20 PM
Really??

Hmmm

250ish for PS3
100ish for 1TB HD ... Unless the prices have dropped back to the proper levels.
300 or more for a used Mac capable of running windows virtually

SO!

A $650 investment outdoes a $99 box.. Shocking! :eek:

Yeah, but you can do MORE with that PS3 than with an ATV. If you already have a PS3, which many do, it is already an ATV+ (sans Apple programming and iTunes store).

Besides, it is $230 for a PS3. Free software to run on any fairly modern Mac.

So $230 for a game system which is a complete media system or a $99 PITA (you have to convert all video which isn't compatible while PMS converts and streams almost all video files, plays internet radio feeds, plays internet video feeds, etc).

If you have a PS3: $0 for a better media experience. PS3> ATV.

Get it right.

MythicFrost
Mar 7, 2012, 03:20 PM
Well I've never purchased an SD movie or TV show from the iTunes that was available in HD (I've always purchased HD), but I have a load of SD content from all my past digital copies from blu-ray purchases. Apple allows you to download those from the cloud too, but heres the great thing:

No, you do not get automatic access to the HD version (darn), but if the movie has any upgraded bells and whistles, like Extras, Dolby Digital 5.1, Closed captioning, you get all that free.

Just tried with my Star Trek digital copy. It was just a bare bones SD movie file. Trashed it, and proceeded to download from iCloud. It's now downloading the movie along with the "Extras" from iTunes. Pretty awesome deal if you ask me. This also bypasses the user from having to deal with the studios in case your digital copy gets lost or accidentally deleted. :)

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Ah too bad, because all my movies are in SD. I hope they offer an upgrade option for the difference in price. I.E, upgrade to HD for $5.

That aside, are you saying I can rip a Star Trek movie that I own and then import into iTunes and download their version of it? o.O

RamGuy
Mar 7, 2012, 03:20 PM
So the Apple TV is still just a "hobby" I guess? Considering this very tiny update, it's basically 1080P support with the single-core A5 chip and that's it?

The fact that Apple TV2 owners (like myself) still get the new updates is good and all, but why didn't they even bother to make more out of the Apple TV than this?


So it's still streaming only as there is no hard drive, and there is still no way to get an Apple TimeCapsule to act as a iTunes server so I'll still need to have at least one of my other computers on each and every time I'd want to use the Apple TV for music? Or will it at least utilise iTunes Match and iCloud to stream from the web? Never mind though as iTunes Match is nowhere near being available in Norway...


I see so much great potential in the Apple TV product line, but Apple just fails to deliver in every single aspect in my book. Why do I want the Apple TV instead of an Mac Mini under my television. Because it's cheaper, it drains less power, it's small, sleeker and everything you'd normally want from such a device. But when you'll need to have at least one of your machines running in order to get iTunes going it defeats the whole purpose.

I have no problem living with the limited support of codecs, I would start renting stuff from iTunes instead of grabbing them from everywhere else. But when I can't do this without relaying on other machines and not even my Apple TimeCapsule it simply won't do. I'll keep my Mac Mini and live with the fact that I still have to run a full OS X system with XBMC, a Apple Wireless Keyboard and Wireless TrackPad to get what the Apple TV should have been capable of doing all this time.


Apps for the Apple TV should have been done a long time ago as well, why wouldn't Apple allow for the Apple TV to evolve into something more? They would make the Apple TV a much more capable device, it would cater to a much wider audience and if it would just get 10% of the regular iOS developer interested it would beat the crap out of any other streaming devices currently out there.


Perhaps they are keeping all this for the Apple Television?

proglife
Mar 7, 2012, 03:21 PM
I understand. However, this is not a unique problem to Apple. We have access to NBA, MLB, NHL, etc. but no NFL.

Oh yeah...I know. I just think if anyone has the power to get the NFL to move away from DirectTV, it would be apple.

Icaras
Mar 7, 2012, 03:21 PM
Ah too bad, because all my movies are in SD. I hope they offer an upgrade option for the difference in price. I.E, upgrade to HD for $5.

That aside, are you saying I can rip a Star Trek movie that I own and then import into iTunes and download their version of it? o.O

Yea, thats the only thing Apple needs to implement: an upgrade program!

As far as my SD copies go, they were all legal "digital copies" from blu-ray purchases, so they had to access to iTunes the very first time I downloaded them, so I don't think ripping a copy would yield the same results.

AppliedMicro
Mar 7, 2012, 03:22 PM
While the Mac OS' look becomes progressively monochrome, Apple TV finally receives shiny new colored icons. :rolleyes:

MythicFrost
Mar 7, 2012, 03:25 PM
Yea, thats the only thing Apple needs to implement: an upgrade program!

As far as my SD copies go, they were all legal "digital copies" from blu-ray purchases, so they had to access to iTunes the very first time I downloaded them, so I don't think ripping a copy would yield the same results.
Oh right, I see. Thanks for the info mate! I'm looking forward to these coming to Australia soon, it's usually a little delay like with Music and TV shows, but they're here now, so movies should be too soon!

Icaras
Mar 7, 2012, 03:27 PM
Oh right, I see. Thanks for the info mate! I'm looking forward to these coming to Australia soon, it's usually a little delay like with Music and TV shows, but they're here now, so movies should be too soon!

No problem :) Yea, it'll be nice to see this roll out over the rest of the world quickly.

alexinbmth
Mar 7, 2012, 03:29 PM
Ok....so now I think its hung on the Step 1 of 2 ......it clearly says do not unplug your apple tv while updating....so what do I do next? Any ideas?

ipedro
Mar 7, 2012, 03:30 PM
If you have an AppleTV 2, you can now download the new AppleTV UI. Mine is downloading quickly. A minute left to go.

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg708/scaled.php?server=708&filename=photokjr.jpg&res=medium

MythicFrost
Mar 7, 2012, 03:36 PM
New Apple TV UI is cool.

joecatz
Mar 7, 2012, 03:37 PM
I'm a bit lost with your post... The Airport express hasn't needed an update. It's their entry level router, and it already supports N Wifi. (It's not like Time Capsule where it's running a lot of software and sync services inside) It also supports audio cables, which the Apple tv does not. So why would you buy an Apple TV to stream music to speakers? That makes no sense. Do you have speakers with optical jacks or hdmi ports??? The Apple TV would not be a good device for streaming audio.

The Airport express also allows you to use iTunes to select which speakers to send the signal too. The Apple TV also doesn't do this. It's just not that kind of device. It's TV... not audio.


actually, its quite amazing as an audio device, IMO, if your TV is set up with surround sound and a receiver, especially if your computer is no where near your stero (my computer is upstairs, my stero downstairs... With airplay, and sharing, I can basically play anything from my itunes library directly through the reciever using apple TV, as opposed to plugging in my ipad, iphone, ipod, etc.. as long as itunes is open. hdmi from the appletv right into the reciever, reciever into the TV.

its actually the feature we use most in our home.

MacCraig Pro
Mar 7, 2012, 03:38 PM
Downloaded the new UI, and I hate it.

Looks garish and kiddyish and over saturated with colour...

Explorz
Mar 7, 2012, 03:40 PM
In order to download existing movies in 1080p, you need to go into the store settings in the iTunes preferences and select 1080p!

I don't see that option in my iTunes Store preferences.

alexinbmth
Mar 7, 2012, 03:42 PM
Ok....so now I think its hung on the Step 1 of 2 ......it clearly says do not unplug your apple tv while updating....so what do I do next? Any ideas?

Well I unplugged it after 30 mins of no progression, it came back on with the old u.i, it's downloading the update again......

Icaras
Mar 7, 2012, 03:44 PM
I don't see that option in my iTunes Store preferences.

Did you upgraded iTunes to 10.6?

Rodimus Prime
Mar 7, 2012, 03:44 PM
With the iP4S shooting 1080p, they had to make the AppleTV compatible. I'm hoping ATV gets pulled itno the yearly product update cycle, where they're forced to innovate and progress. Apps anyone? Me, too.

none of which address the fact that it was pretty clear Apple limiting the ATV2 to 720p was more of an excuse to cause people have to upgrade.

A lot of smelled it then and now it just proves it.

malmo
Mar 7, 2012, 03:44 PM
Just registered so bare with me.

Currently i´m running a Panasonic vt30 with a WDTV. In the WDTV I have the option of choosing my resolution, be it 1080p 24fps or 1080p 60fps and so on.

I´ve always wanted the apple tv gen 2. The only thing stopping me was the missing link of 1080p.

The thing i´m worried about now is, are you able to change what kind of "resolution" the apple tv sends to you TV set?

I love watching fast paced sport and ordinary tv programs in 60fps

But watching a movie that is made in 24 fps in 60fps just messes pup my viewing experience.

Is it possible to watch a 1080p 24fps movie the way it was supposed to be showed with the new Apple tv gen 3?


I´m crossing my fingers it does, because I would love to have one.


Anybody?

Rodimus Prime
Mar 7, 2012, 03:45 PM
are you serious? Did you get an upgrade price for you macbook pro, your ipad, your ipod? It's $99 dollars. Use the other Apple TV for your bedroom or a paper weight

edit: Maybe you were talking about your actual movie downloads, if so than the uploads appear to be free.

It more of another BS software block by Apple. The Apple TV 2 hardware can run it. Just apple choose not to turn it on or connect it.

potatis
Mar 7, 2012, 03:46 PM
Do you still need to go to the computers section to access your own movies?

mandis
Mar 7, 2012, 03:47 PM
So the new Apple TV comes with a Single Core A5? :confused:

What's the deal here?

ipedro
Mar 7, 2012, 03:50 PM
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg692/scaled.php?server=692&filename=photoojr.jpg&res=medium

Icaras
Mar 7, 2012, 03:50 PM
Do you still need to go to the computers section to access your own movies?

No, you really don't need to since they're in iCloud now.

However, I just found out that some of my movies aren't available in iCloud; the ones that were removed from purchasing and only available for rent. This is kind of an inconvenient setback that makes me less comfortable deleting my files just yet.

I've contacted iTunes support about this. People who paid to purchase their content should be able to download them from iCloud even if its not available for purchase anymore.

ctdonath
Mar 7, 2012, 03:55 PM
Image (http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg692/scaled.php?server=692&filename=photoojr.jpg&res=medium)

Looks like they're staging for including apps.

joseph2166
Mar 7, 2012, 03:58 PM
No, you really don't need to since they're in iCloud now.

However, I just found out that some of my movies aren't available in iCloud; the ones that were removed from purchasing and only available for rent. This is kind of an inconvenient setback that makes me less comfortable deleting my files just yet.

I've contacted iTunes support about this. People who paid to purchase their content should be able to download them from iCloud even if its not available for purchase anymore.

Are you sure that its not just movies from the studios who haven't signed up? I believe I read somewhere that HBO has got some studios tied into not supporting such a setup.

Aeolius
Mar 7, 2012, 04:00 PM
Is there anyway to change the size of the menu icons, or delete ones you'll never use? I know for a fact I'll never use NBA, MLB, or NHL and they are taking up valuable screen space.

Icaras
Mar 7, 2012, 04:02 PM
Are you sure that its not just movies from the studios who haven't signed up? I believe I read somewhere that HBO has got some studios tied into not supporting such a setup.

It's possible. Still sucks though if true. But I think this applies to everything in the iTunes store, such as apps and books as well?

boros
Mar 7, 2012, 04:03 PM
Really, this is a disappointing release, for the following reasons:

1. No Hulu. Having cut the cable long ago, and Hulu & Netflix are almost all of my video viewing, with a 70/30 split of Hulu over NetFlix. Sadly, the no Hulu issue, is forcing me to use my Roku for 70% of my viewing.
2. 1080 is nice, but I suspect it will exacurbate my NetFlix viewing woes. As I stutter through most NetFlix movies at 720p, I suspect that will get worse at 1080 - and yes, I do have a big fat broadband pipe, that is hard-wired to my ATV2. If I had to choose between reliable 720, and unreliable 1080, 720 would win every time.
3. No app ecosystem... really, this sucks.

For me, ATV is an Airplay enabler, for my on-premise library. But Roku will now be my online video playback device. It sucks that I now have to use two devices, and that Apple is letting it's download revenues interfere with a chance to be the home-entertainment hub for all content. And yes, I understand Apple's dilemma, and can appreciate that they don't want to mess with a reliable revenue stream. I'm just saying that it sucks, for me.

So, this latest release has me searching for a replacement as a viable entertainment hub that will serve both on-premise and hosted content. And whatever solution I choose will likely impact all of my future purchases (smartphones, PCs, TVs, Audio, etc.). I've been riding the Apple wave for a while, but having to go elsewhere for 70% of my online viewing content is causing me to reconsider.

joseph2166
Mar 7, 2012, 04:04 PM
It's possible. Still sucks though if true. But I think this applies to everything in the iTunes store, such as apps and books as well?

We in the UK don't get movies on iCloud, full stop. So damn you! And your Apple Store is online already, you yanks get everything, its as if you built the whole damn system...

MacCraig Pro
Mar 7, 2012, 04:06 PM
Anyone spotted where the iCloud menu option is? Really hating this new UI, might roll back.

Also anyone having issues with accessing netflix or the iTunes store via the music icon?

timothy632
Mar 7, 2012, 04:10 PM
I've notice almost all of the movies made by Universal Pictures are showing up as "When purchased, this movie will not be available from iTunes in the Cloud." under the pricing in iTunes 10.6 . Thats not cool i want all my movies to be available.

Daniel97
Mar 7, 2012, 04:25 PM
Plex on this will be nice! :D

barcafan1990
Mar 7, 2012, 04:31 PM
My TV only supports 1080i.

Does 1080p support 1080i also?

Black Belt
Mar 7, 2012, 04:32 PM
Waitaminute! One of the features I liked about ATV they don't even show at all. Can I still watch Podcasts?

Aragornii
Mar 7, 2012, 04:32 PM
My TV only supports 1080i.

Does 1080p support 1080i also?

For 1080i I think it will give you 480P. At least, that's how it works on the ATV2.

Ashyukun
Mar 7, 2012, 04:38 PM
About the only real thing that has me interested is just how much of a horsepower improvement the A5 chip will be once the new :apple:TV is jailbroken and I can start playing back other formats on it. The current model does a decent job but has issues at times with the files I try playing (720p MKVs). If the A5 lets me play back most anything that my nettop currently does, it will make the new one with the $99 price tag (minus whatever I get from selling the current one).

Of course, in its current form the :apple:TV still can't outright replace the nettop- I need either a) Flash video playback or b) apps to be able to play back video from the streaming sites I watch a lot from. Most all now have iPhone/iPad apps- but there's no way to access them (even with the browser on the jailbroken device) since their main website videos are still Flash...

Rodimus Prime
Mar 7, 2012, 04:39 PM
My TV only supports 1080i.

Does 1080p support 1080i also?

I think the TV can handle it. They can only display at 1080i but it can accept input at 1080p. It just stores everything in a buffers.

Bill.the.Cat
Mar 7, 2012, 04:40 PM
...whatever I get from selling the current one...

Current price on ATV2 refurbs directly from apple is $69.00, I would expect that would be a price the used market will fluctuate around.

fpnc
Mar 7, 2012, 04:45 PM
For 1080i I think it will give you 480P. At least, that's how it works on the ATV2.
Can someone confirm that 480p still works with the new software update?

Moreover, if the new Apple TV doesn't support 1080i then I don't see how 480p (only) would be a good solution for customers who don't have a TV that supports 1080p (aren't there a good number of 1080i-only TVs out there?). I guess in the latter case the fallback is 720p, but some TVs that work with 1080i don't even support 720p (I'm talking about some of the HD-Ready TVs from the early 2000s).

jdbr
Mar 7, 2012, 04:48 PM
Just upgraded iTunes and turned on 1080p, but can't find any available 1080p videos?
Am I missing something?

fpnc
Mar 7, 2012, 04:50 PM
Just upgraded iTunes and turned on 1080p, but can't find any available 1080p videos?
Am I missing something?
They may only be available in the U.S. In any case, you'd need one of the new Apple TVs to play 1080p content.

apernett
Mar 7, 2012, 05:01 PM
For the life of me, I can't figure out why it's taken so long to get Hulu+ on the ATV.

Maybe because studios are playing hard with Apple? They still fear that Apple will demand a lower subscription price or else. Whatever the reason is, Hulu is a totally different animal compared to Netflix. Hulu is directly owned by the studios and still they are scratching their heads wondering if going full streaming is profitable for them. Dinosaurs.

As for me who I upgraded my Apple TV 2 to the new UI (and in Colombia, South America) I love my Netflix stream but I'm yearning for Hulu to come here to LatAm. Maybe next year?

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hi guys,

i just got a sony smart tv, and my brothers got me an apple tv for my bday. would I use the apple tv, or should i just return it and let my brothers save their money?

Thanks

Go to the nearest Apple Store on your place. Take your shiny new Apple TV. They will change yours to the new one with no charge (the catch is that you have to buy an older model in a 30 day window frame before a new model appears for sale). Go to your house. Enjoy it.

jdbr
Mar 7, 2012, 05:05 PM
Yip,
Surely 1080p should be playable on an iMac.
I certainly wouldn't upgrade to an ATV3 if 1080p video was scarce.
Certainly the availability of HD video in any form on iTunes is quite scarce in the UK.

afin
Mar 7, 2012, 05:09 PM
I'm now thinking about that Best Buy survey...

treehorn
Mar 7, 2012, 05:27 PM
Does anyone have the same problem with the AppleTV2: I rented a movie and watch it a few days later. In the middle of it suddenly it stoops and the circle starts to rotate, than after a couple minutes it says "ready to watch in X time", where X is increasing from 50 minutes to 3 hours within a minute or so. At the same time streaming Netflix is no issue at all so its not the network... I am bringing this up here as I hoped for a storage capacity on the ATv as I never have that issue if I streamed an already downloaded movie from the iPad. It seems that the AppleTV is downloading the movie after renting but if e.g. Netflix is being streamed in the meantime it forgets the downloaded one and starts all over again...?

I had that problem Saturday night. Tried to watch Hugo and I kept getting "Ready to watch in 2-3 hours" Finally gave up and bought the Bluray and requested a refund.

Mak47
Mar 7, 2012, 05:30 PM
Could someone clear something up for me... Now that the aTV can play things from iCloud, that means we don't need to have our Macs switched on to watch our content doesn't it? If so, that in itself is a big upgrade.

For many users, that is absolutely correct, assuming of course that all of the TV/Movie content you have is purchased from iTunes. Video from other sources will only stream from your computer with iTunes open.

Other than that, if you use Photostream you can access that from ATV. iTunes Match, same deal. TV & Movies (with the exception of a few studios) from iTunes--all of it can be accessed via the web without having iTunes running.

The only other thing to consider is data usage. ISP's like Comcast have a 250GB per month cap--after that your speeds will be throttled and streaming video from the web will basically no longer work. I've been there a few times and it's no fun.

If you're streaming HD video content over the web, that will eat up a lot of bandwidth--and may not perform well 100% of the time for 1080p in particular. If the things you want to watch are on your computer, you may be better served to just access them locally.

treehorn
Mar 7, 2012, 05:31 PM
Potentially silly question but...

Just found out my Samsung only goes up to 1080i (got it right on the cusp of 'all models have 1080p'). I already have an Apple TV2 and was going to upgrade to a 3 and use the 2 in my office for a tiny TV, but now I'm wondering if it's going to be worth it? Will I see any upgrade in picture from the 2 to the 3 if the TV isn't 1080p? Or is it going to essentially be equivalent to 720p when all is said and done?

potatis
Mar 7, 2012, 05:36 PM
No, you really don't need to since they're in iCloud now.

However, I just found out that some of my movies aren't available in iCloud; the ones that were removed from purchasing and only available for rent. This is kind of an inconvenient setback that makes me less comfortable deleting my files just yet.

I've contacted iTunes support about this. People who paid to purchase their content should be able to download them from iCloud even if its not available for purchase anymore.

Are only movies that you purchased from iTunes in the iCloud or can you upload your own files there?

motorazr
Mar 7, 2012, 05:47 PM
Now if only this interface would make it back to the mac so we could use those remotes again....

I know front row was far from perfect, but across the room it really came in handy...:rolleyes:

BlackMangoTree
Mar 7, 2012, 05:53 PM
SO frustrating nothing is downloading here in Australia. No APple TV, iTunes or iOS.

bzen
Mar 7, 2012, 06:07 PM
Does anyone know if it has a QWERTY keyboard layout for entering text? The ABCDEFG . . . is so aggravating sometimes!

Immy

twoodcc
Mar 7, 2012, 06:08 PM
i'm not pre-ordering it, but i'll probably get it when it's readily available everywhere

GenesisST
Mar 7, 2012, 06:24 PM
Original Apple TV was released January 9th 2007 - according to Wikipedia.

Duh... sorry wrong thread... too much news today. I thought this was the new ipad thread...

Icaras
Mar 7, 2012, 06:39 PM
Are only movies that you purchased from iTunes in the iCloud or can you upload your own files there?

I haven't the tried latter, but I would guess no, that wouldn't work. It's all based on your purchase history. It isn't iTunes Match for movies yet unfortunately :o

Mike Oxard
Mar 7, 2012, 07:48 PM
In the UK the new AppleTV can only get 1080P content from Apple by renting movies, so no TV shows and no purchases :( This is a pity, my internet connection isn't even good enough to rent a 720P movie. Also I'd love to upgrade some of my TV shows, the BBC's Planet Earth and South Pacific natural history shows would be absolutely amazing!

bommai
Mar 7, 2012, 08:01 PM
Potentially silly question but...

Just found out my Samsung only goes up to 1080i (got it right on the cusp of 'all models have 1080p'). I already have an Apple TV2 and was going to upgrade to a 3 and use the 2 in my office for a tiny TV, but now I'm wondering if it's going to be worth it? Will I see any upgrade in picture from the 2 to the 3 if the TV isn't 1080p? Or is it going to essentially be equivalent to 720p when all is said and done?

Most probably your TV is only 1366x768 or something like that. There is no such thing as 1080i in digital panels. However, it might have a HDMI input that only supports 1080i. That is true of some TVs. The TV takes a 1080i signal and converts it to fill a 1366x768 or a 1280x720 panel.

tkhan456
Mar 7, 2012, 08:21 PM
Anyone know if there is a way to rearrange the icons or get rid of some?

FriarNurgle
Mar 7, 2012, 08:34 PM
Updated my 2nd gen Apple TV and the UI is horrible. It's wasn't great before, but this is even worse. Ir's reminiscent of the crappy UI on bluray players or smart TVs. There is no way to customize or hide anything. I only use Netflix and podcasts. Everything else is bloatware to me. Sorry Apple, but you need to fix this.

treehorn
Mar 7, 2012, 08:59 PM
Most probably your TV is only 1366x768 or something like that. There is no such thing as 1080i in digital panels. However, it might have a HDMI input that only supports 1080i. That is true of some TVs. The TV takes a 1080i signal and converts it to fill a 1366x768 or a 1280x720 panel.

And so would I see any benefit with the new apple tv?

Mechanic
Mar 7, 2012, 09:11 PM
So can we upgrade the older iTV version 2 system to run this new interface? Is the only difference the 1080P?

Yes apple released an update today.

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To bad a new version of Handbrake was released one week ago. Now have to wait another year for an ATV3 preset.

Make your own presets there extremely easy to do. I never use any of the built in versions.

Ieo
Mar 7, 2012, 09:21 PM
Hulu and Plex....Then I'll buy one. Plex is already on iOS (as is Hulu)- just open up the Apple TV to an app store and all is good.

Nanker/Phelge
Mar 7, 2012, 09:32 PM
Potentially silly question but...

Just found out my Samsung only goes up to 1080i (got it right on the cusp of 'all models have 1080p'). I already have an Apple TV2 and was going to upgrade to a 3 and use the 2 in my office for a tiny TV, but now I'm wondering if it's going to be worth it? Will I see any upgrade in picture from the 2 to the 3 if the TV isn't 1080p? Or is it going to essentially be equivalent to 720p when all is said and done?

It should be able to output to 1080i. In either case, it's tough to tell the difference from 1080p or 1080i to 720p unless you're within five or so feet (at least for me)

Tarheels
Mar 7, 2012, 10:28 PM
Finally Apple is catching up with the rest of the world, 1080p. I've been saying for years that once they support 1080p I would buy one. My pre-order is in, March 16th - Can't wait!

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Just upgraded iTunes and turned on 1080p, but can't find any available 1080p videos?
Am I missing something?

Check out Scrubs, Season 9(just the first example I found - Big Bang Theory, Season 5 also) Under the "$24.99 Buy Season" button, there is the text "HD: Includes 720p, 1080p". Also, in your iTunes go to your iTunes preferences, go to the Store tab and see there is an option of defaulting to 1080p when downloading HD.

jumanji
Mar 7, 2012, 10:47 PM
Updated my 2nd gen Apple TV and the UI is horrible. It's wasn't great before, but this is even worse. Ir's reminiscent of the crappy UI on bluray players or smart TVs. There is no way to customize or hide anything. I only use Netflix and podcasts. Everything else is bloatware to me. Sorry Apple, but you need to fix this.

I use other stuff but I have to agree...the new UI is a step backwards. The old one was crisp and clean. This looks like they made it for a 6 year old.

I like that they added movies to the cloud. I like that you can buy movies again. I like 1080p. It needs Hulu....silly hat you can use the app and AirPlay but not have Hulu native. I expected app support. In all...not a big update...kind of underwhelming but hey...it's a $99 device. Apple doesn't get a lot out of this.

deecasey
Mar 7, 2012, 10:51 PM
Just updated my ATV2 and can't say I like it much, more of a refresh than a overhaul. Plus it's only the main intro screen thats changed, nothing else.

But has anyone else got the problem that all your 'TV Shows' under the users 'Computer' section is no-longer listed alphabetically, just one big mess of a list, not too impressed!!!

BJonson
Mar 8, 2012, 01:21 AM
Isn't a single core A5 chip the same as an A4 chip? I thought all an A5 chip consisted of was 2 A4 chips on a single die so dual A4. Am I wrong here?

MythicFrost
Mar 8, 2012, 01:41 AM
Isn't a single core A5 chip the same as an A4 chip? I thought all an A5 chip consisted of was 2 A4 chips on a single die so dual A4. Am I wrong here?
No, the A5 is based off the Cortex A9. The A4 is based off the Cortex A8.

Jetson
Mar 8, 2012, 02:16 AM
Thank you Apple for fixing the iTunes Match playlist folder problem on the ATV2!

I can now navigate among different playlist and playlist categories practically instantaneously now. Before, transitions took many minutes.

All these product and maintenance releases makes it seem like Christmas in March. Apple has knocked it out of the park!

I've been a frequent critic of Apple in the past. But for today, I'm an Apple fanboy :D

gunthermic
Mar 8, 2012, 02:50 AM
It never ceases to amaze me, people screaming for 1080p a year ago, and now you get, but it's still not enough. I for one say about time and am glad for it. Having 1200 movies built into my iTunes, look forward to taking all my ripped Blue-Ray and re-encoding them to 1080p and and enjoying the higher quality..

Select all my rips and tell it to re-encode and walk away.. will be done in a month,but will be awesome!

Kudos Apple! replacing 1 of my ATV2 in living room.....

fhall1
Mar 8, 2012, 05:33 AM
As soon as this is jailbroken to allow streaming from my Synology NAS, I'll ditch my WD TV Live + and all the crappy-ass firmware updates from WD (that broke more features than they fixed with each new iteration) and be all over this.

boros
Mar 8, 2012, 06:46 AM
Agreed, I hate this! Why do I need all those stupid new boxes, when I won't use half of them?

One other big problems that I have is with the stupid photo stream. There is no way to get rid of that box, and the photo stream also shows up in screen savers, etc. Really, the photo stream? The thing that archives every photo we take, whether we want to keep it or not?

Congratulations! You've now given our kids access to EVERY photo we've ever taken from our smartphone, which could make for some pretty "educational" experiences. And, who needs to see the 20 blurry copies of that shot we tried to get right? Who's bright idea was that? I hate baseball, which just reminds me that there's no friggin' NFL app. Why can't I delete some of these? Why can my kids access EVERY photo I've ever taken form my phone, including ones I've tried to delete? Really, who thought of this?

There is no way to customize or hide anything. I only use Netflix and podcasts. Everything else is bloatware to me. Sorry Apple, but you need to fix this.

deecasey
Mar 8, 2012, 07:34 AM
It never ceases to amaze me, people screaming for 1080p a year ago, and now you get, but it's still not enough. I for one say about time and am glad for it. Having 1200 movies built into my iTunes, look forward to taking all my ripped Blue-Ray and re-encoding them to 1080p and and enjoying the higher quality..

Select all my rips and tell it to re-encode and walk away.. will be done in a month,but will be awesome!

Kudos Apple! replacing 1 of my ATV2 in living room.....

So let me get this right, you have 1200 ripped 1080p movies from Blu-Ray backed-up, as well as 1200 720p movies stored with iTunes, thats like over 8TB (average of 2GB for 720p and 5GB for 1080p) of files, god you must be tripping over hard drives lol :D

gunthermic
Mar 8, 2012, 08:16 AM
So let me get this right, you have 1200 ripped 1080p movies from Blu-Ray backed-up, as well as 1200 720p movies stored with iTunes, thats like over 8TB (average of 2GB for 720p and 5GB for 1080p) of files, god you must be tripping over hard drives lol :D

LOL..

I have the 1200 movies ripped and stored on a Synolgy NAS (8TB) and Just got a Drobo that hold 20TB. Then several 2 and 3 TB Segate Externals that store all the Encoded Movies/TV Shows. The count is more like 400 Blue-Ray and the other 800 are DVD's. But when the system encodes it automatically creates a SD and HD version for compatibility for any device..

So overall I have about 36TB of drive space just for movies/tv shows.. With me keeping all my RIPs, now I can go back and re-encode for 1080p vs 720p..

11thIndian
Mar 8, 2012, 08:34 AM
I just read this straight from the Apple TV page:



I checked the page for Hugo and it reads 720p" (HD). I don't remember seeing them actually specifying resolution? Is this a new change in the iTunes store? I'm trying to scour the Movies section to see if any movie lists for 1080p.

Can anyone else confirm this?

Since the 1080p model doesn't street until the 16th, I'd imagine we'll be seeing them roll out the 1080p content over the next week.

It was reported late last year that Apple was asking for new 1080 files from Studios. This is a process that will obviously take some time...

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Okay, I like the Icons if they are on my ATV2 but really, I am still waiting for the point of this thing. Just give me Hulu for God's sake!

Hulu's terms of agreement with the content providers may not allow it. Who knows.

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Thats the burning question in my mind as well.


Yes. Previously purchase movies can be re-downloaded on any device using iTunes in the could, same as music.

11thIndian
Mar 8, 2012, 08:45 AM
Apple doesn't want to ruin iTune TV episode sales. I know it's not a technical or licensing issue because HuluPlus is already running on iOS with the iPhone and iPad.

If this was true, they wouldn't have allowed Hulu on the iPad or iPhone either.

The thing people seem to fundamentally forget is that Apple's primary source of revenue is hardware sales. All the different media and app storefronts are there to create the best experience possible and drive people to their platform. This is the antithesis of the Kindle Fire, which is sold at a loss with the sole purpose of funnelling you to buy material from their storefront, where they make their money.

Apple's problems negotiating with the music labels are TENFOLD more difficult dealing with the Studios, who have longstanding deals with not just broadcasters, but 2nd and 3rd tier forms of distribution. And these deals are different for every region globally. It's a big mess!

PLUS you have the studios skittish about this whole digital thing to begin with.

If Apple had its way it would be providing all media for rent or sale in every country around the globe- but it's not up to them. And frankly it's got to be frustrating!

alfonsog
Mar 8, 2012, 08:50 AM
Ordered an AppleTV3 for iTunes & Netflix & 1080p. Have an old Roku for Amazon Videos & HBO go. Have a PS3 for blu-rays & VUDU & currently for Netflix. Still waiting on one of them to get digital concert hall from berlin philharmonic since its only on sony TVs or its tv-box (stupid PS3 doesn't have it yet so I use my Macbook to TV link). Wish Amazon & HBO go was on more than the Roku. No cable for 3 years.

11thIndian
Mar 8, 2012, 08:58 AM
none of which address the fact that it was pretty clear Apple limiting the ATV2 to 720p was more of an excuse to cause people have to upgrade.

A lot of smelled it then and now it just proves it.

It doesn't prove anything. That's your assumption. If you want to believe you've been screwed, be my guest. Technology progresses, and Apple's timetable for moving from 720p to 1080p could have been for any number of reasons.

zachlegomaniac
Mar 8, 2012, 09:08 AM
No Hulu, no upgrade ... That's my most missed feature on ATV

It's a bummer to have a Roku and an ATV2 side by side just for my Hulu Plus subscription (cut the cord on cable last year). Jailbreaking, in my experience, definitely doesn't offer the same stability as running the latest os. I'm a novice with that stuff, though.

Definitely won't upgrade just for 1080. I'm kind of surprised there aren't more features exclusive to the new hardware from the outset, but I'm sure Apple has their reasons.

DBDukes
Mar 8, 2012, 10:07 AM
I'm having issues with the sorting of TV shows (no issue with movies).

Upgraded to latest iTunes and Apple TV software.

Have TV shows downloaded to a computer, some purchased via iTunes store, some ripped from purchased DVD.

When accessing a computer's library (via Home Sharing), TV shows used to display in show name order. Not so now. It appears they display in date added order. And, I'm not on the Date Added screen, but the By Show screen.

Is this limited issue? Or is everyone having this problem?

CWallace
Mar 8, 2012, 10:55 AM
But has anyone else got the problem that all your 'TV Shows' under the users 'Computer' section is no-longer listed alphabetically, just one big mess of a list, not too impressed!!!

All my TV shows continue to be listed alphabetically by Series Title.

marzer
Mar 8, 2012, 10:55 AM
The Apple TV also doesn't do this. It's just not that kind of device. It's TV... not audio.

The Apple TV (gen 1 and 2) does show up on iTunes for audio streaming. I do this frequently to play music to multiple rooms in the house.

marzer
Mar 8, 2012, 11:08 AM
Thus (apparently), still nothing from Apple that can replace the 1st generation Apple TV for some of us early adapters.

Same here. My first HDTV is almost 12 years old and 1080i is ALL it will display (everything is upconverted). It won't even accept a 720p input. So yeah, I'm gonna hold on to the ATV gen 1 as long as I've got the old RCA.

And my early model plasma will not do 1080p, so I will have no need for the ATV3 for now. But like someone pointed out earlier, a quality 720p display looks better than a cheap 1080p. I can vouch for that with my plasma, which is why I'm in no rush to replace it.

Icaras
Mar 8, 2012, 11:51 AM
Since the 1080p model doesn't street until the 16th, I'd imagine we'll be seeing them roll out the 1080p content over the next week.

You're late. ;) Check out all the other previous posts about this. I've already redownloaded all my available purchased movies from iCloud in 1080p in iTunes, with or without the new Apple TV.

Edit: I realize where there may be confusion. I'm speaking about downloading 1080p files to your Mac, which have been available on the iTunes store since yesterday. I have already confirmed in another thread that your new 1080p files will stream perfectly fine to your existing 720p Apple TV 2, but it will still playback only at 720p. I've already gotten rid of all my SD and 720p copies to save space.

citi
Mar 8, 2012, 12:05 PM
I use other stuff but I have to agree...the new UI is a step backwards. The old one was crisp and clean. This looks like they made it for a 6 year old.

I like that they added movies to the cloud. I like that you can buy movies again. I like 1080p. It needs Hulu....silly hat you can use the app and AirPlay but not have Hulu native. I expected app support. In all...not a big update...kind of underwhelming but hey...it's a $99 device. Apple doesn't get a lot out of this.

I don't understand why the icons are so BIG. The one thing I had hoped they would change they left the same. I wanted my computer/movies to show up in grid view, yet nothing changed on that section. For me it's fine, but my kids like the Netflix style better.

adddictedtomac
Mar 8, 2012, 12:10 PM
Feel that there is no need rushing to the store for new Apple TV if you are happy with 720p and do not need 1080p.

Apple has not made any other comments about the chip on this new Apple TV.

Good news is that the new UI can be updated to the 2010 Apple TV2

http://youtu.be/CVXWKaFKFFA

robloomis
Mar 8, 2012, 12:28 PM
Anyone else having issue updating? It simply will not update. I get the error:

"The Apple TV update could not be downloaded at this time. Try again later."

It's been this way since update was made public yesterday.

Black Belt
Mar 8, 2012, 12:30 PM
I'll pose this question again for anyone who has upgraded - Can you still access Podcasts and if so how? I don't see it on the screen shots.

DBDukes
Mar 8, 2012, 01:06 PM
Just updated my ATV2 and can't say I like it much, more of a refresh than a overhaul. Plus it's only the main intro screen thats changed, nothing else.

But has anyone else got the problem that all your 'TV Shows' under the users 'Computer' section is no-longer listed alphabetically, just one big mess of a list, not too impressed!!!
I'm encountering the same issue with Home Sharing content. I noticed after I upgraded both iTunes and Apple TV software.

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I'll pose this question again for anyone who has upgraded - Can you still access Podcasts and if so how? I don't see it on the screen shots.
This is going to sound silly, but I didn't know you could play podcasts from Apple TV 2, except via Home Sharing from an iTunes account that had downloaded the podcast. At least, that's the only way I ever did it. That functionality is still there.

Jamie0003
Mar 8, 2012, 02:03 PM
Potentially silly question but...

Just found out my Samsung only goes up to 1080i (got it right on the cusp of 'all models have 1080p'). I already have an Apple TV2 and was going to upgrade to a 3 and use the 2 in my office for a tiny TV, but now I'm wondering if it's going to be worth it? Will I see any upgrade in picture from the 2 to the 3 if the TV isn't 1080p? Or is it going to essentially be equivalent to 720p when all is said and done?

No, it will just stream the 720P version.

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Does anyone know whether previously purchased iTunes content will automatically be upgraded to 1080P? What about stuff that was previously purchased in SD, will it still stream the SD version?

jmille44
Mar 8, 2012, 02:24 PM
Am I alone that this new interface is bad?

It must be made for use with an iPad because using the remote sucks
with it. What is going on.

denaliOnDubs
Mar 8, 2012, 02:38 PM
I thought I read somewhere that you will be able to use the AppleTV to show your MacBook display on your flatscreen? Would the sound output through the AppleTV as well? Anyone have any thoughts on this? It would be very similar to the Intel wireless display feature. I'm just curious if my i7 MacBook Air would be compatible with this feature when Mountain Lion comes out... It's a bit early to speculate I suppose but it would be cool if someone has an idea.

Jamie0003
Mar 8, 2012, 02:59 PM
I thought I read somewhere that you will be able to use the AppleTV to show your MacBook display on your flatscreen? Would the sound output through the AppleTV as well? Anyone have any thoughts on this? It would be very similar to the Intel wireless display feature. I'm just curious if my i7 MacBook Air would be compatible with this feature when Mountain Lion comes out... It's a bit early to speculate I suppose but it would be cool if someone has an idea.

I think it will work with all i core processors (Intel Core i5, i7, etc. Think it's called sandy bridge?)

denaliOnDubs
Mar 8, 2012, 03:03 PM
Yea they are called sandy bridge. I know all the windows 7 i's do it... I hope so! that will be worth the purchase to me. I checked apple's website and it shows it with a macbook air so I'm pretty positive it does. Yesssssssssssssss

I think it will work with all i core processors (Intel Core i5, i7, etc. Think it's called sandy bridge?)

APEuroHis
Mar 8, 2012, 03:07 PM
Last night I upgraded my Apple TV(2nd generation). The screen format has been changed to the same as shown in this article. My question is, if the only upgrade is from 720 to 1080 is it really worth it to buy the new one? I find it hard to tell the difference between the two anyway. Any thoughts?

LaWally
Mar 8, 2012, 04:02 PM
Last night I upgraded my Apple TV(2nd generation). The screen format has been changed to the same as shown in this article. My question is, if the only upgrade is from 720 to 1080 is it really worth it to buy the new one? I find it hard to tell the difference between the two anyway. Any thoughts?

If you have or are planning to get a 1080p TV, then you might want to upgrade.
I have a 720p TV with no plans to upgrade, so I'm passing on ATV3. I'll just put the $100 I save towards a new iMac when the new ones are released.

MagnusVonMagnum
Mar 8, 2012, 04:50 PM
they're listing the processor as a "single core A5"
So,
- iPhone 4S = dual core A5, dual core GPU
- iPad ("the new") = dual core A5, quad core GPU
- Apple TV = single core A5, single core GPU

sounds strange

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you beat me to it...

Given the low-powered CPU, I think it's safe to assume we won't be seeing any video game controllers that let it run iOS games designed for the iPod Touch and iPad any time soon.

I see they now list support to play .AVI videos. That's a first. It's one of the reasons I had to put XBMC on my 1st Gen AppleTV.

I see they still don't offer any support directly for DTS Audio. I keep hoping they'll update the .M4V container to support it. I'd like to convert my DTS DVDs over but have to use XBMC and MKV to do it currently. Support for the newer Blu-Ray audio formats would be nice as well. I still don't like the lack of analog audio out on the thing since Version 2.0. I have at least one room that is all analog audio and it means I'd have to buy an external DAC to use it there.

I think the TV can handle it. They can only display at 1080i but it can accept input at 1080p. It just stores everything in a buffers.

Not bloody likely. Older sets that only had 1080i (like rear-projection CRT HDTVs) were not designed to handle 1080p input. Many didn't even have HDMI inputs on them and without it, it's IMPOSSIBLE to even send a 1080p signal to the set as component doesn't have enough bandwidth to handle it.

For example, my mother has my old 57" Panasonic rear-projection HDTV from 1999 (it's the one that does real 480i, 480p, 720p and 1080i) and it doesn't have HDMI inputs, only component (works fine with Gen1 AppleTV which offered component and 1080i output).

Gen1 AppleTV had a simple video output preference option and you could convert up/down to any output you needed. I don't know why they wouldn't offer such a basic feature here unless, of course the chip doesn't support it. But then there's no component support here either so if you have HDMI, you likely have a set that can convert 1080p down if needed anyway. If you only have component, you'll have to get a 2nd hand Gen1 AppleTV. They still rent movies in 720p just fine and can output/convert the signal to 1080i if needed.

DBDukes
Mar 8, 2012, 05:15 PM
I'll pose this question again for anyone who has upgraded - Can you still access Podcasts and if so how? I don't see it on the screen shots.
Yes, podcasts are supported. The icon is on the third of icons.

deecasey
Mar 8, 2012, 05:44 PM
I'm encountering the same issue with Home Sharing content. I noticed after I upgraded both iTunes and Apple TV software.

I've updated both too, and since encountering this bug done a full restore of ATV2 but its still doing it. I've encountering similar bugs over the last 15 months of owning it when either the ATV2 or iTunes has an updated, so expecting 5.0.1 OS soon lol
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All my TV shows continue to be listed alphabetically by Series Title.

Have you updated iTunes along with your ATV2?

ezdz
Mar 8, 2012, 06:27 PM
Yeah, but you can do MORE with that PS3 than with an ATV. If you already have a PS3, which many do, it is already an ATV+ (sans Apple programming and iTunes store).

Besides, it is $230 for a PS3. Free software to run on any fairly modern Mac.

So $230 for a game system which is a complete media system or a $99 PITA (you have to convert all video which isn't compatible while PMS converts and streams almost all video files, plays internet radio feeds, plays internet video feeds, etc).

If you have a PS3: $0 for a better media experience. PS3> ATV.

Get it right.

Except for youtube. Youtube on ps3 is crap.

bilboa
Mar 8, 2012, 07:00 PM
For the life of me, I can't figure out why it's taken so long to get Hulu+ on the ATV.
Probably because it would compete with iTunes TV show rentals.

Black Belt
Mar 8, 2012, 09:07 PM
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Just updated my ATV2 and can't say I like it much, more of a refresh than a overhaul. Plus it's only the main intro screen thats changed, nothing else.

But has anyone else got the problem that all your 'TV Shows' under the users 'Computer' section is no-longer listed alphabetically, just one big mess of a list, not too impressed!!!
I'm encountering the same issue with Home Sharing content. I noticed after I upgraded both iTunes and Apple TV software.

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I'll pose this question again for anyone who has upgraded - Can you still access Podcasts and if so how? I don't see it on the screen shots.
This is going to sound silly, but I didn't know you could play podcasts from Apple TV 2, except via Home Sharing from an iTunes account that had downloaded the podcast. At least, that's the only way I ever did it. That functionality is still there.

Actually yes it has a beautiful direct interface for podcasts. I love watching the TWIT Network shows with Leo Laporte and friends. It is basically Tech TV from cable reborn and with more and better shows.

Black Belt
Mar 8, 2012, 09:09 PM
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Just updated my ATV2 and can't say I like it much, more of a refresh than a overhaul. Plus it's only the main intro screen thats changed, nothing else.

But has anyone else got the problem that all your 'TV Shows' under the users 'Computer' section is no-longer listed alphabetically, just one big mess of a list, not too impressed!!!
I'm encountering the same issue with Home Sharing content. I noticed after I upgraded both iTunes and Apple TV software.

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I'll pose this question again for anyone who has upgraded - Can you still access Podcasts and if so how? I don't see it on the screen shots.
This is going to sound silly, but I didn't know you could play podcasts from Apple TV 2, except via Home Sharing from an iTunes account that had downloaded the podcast. At least, that's the only way I ever did it. That functionality is still there.

Actually yes it has a beautiful direct interface for podcasts. I love watching the TWIT Network shows with Leo Laporte and friends. It is basically Tech TV from cable reborn and with more and better shows.

Spinnetti
Mar 9, 2012, 04:01 PM
So can we upgrade the older iTV version 2 system to run this new interface? Is the only difference the 1080P?

mine updated fine - not 1080p tho

jnpy!$4g3cwk
Mar 10, 2012, 09:57 AM
Actually yes it has a beautiful direct interface for podcasts. I love watching the TWIT Network shows with Leo Laporte and friends. It is basically Tech TV from cable reborn and with more and better shows.


Does it say somewhere how much local storage there is (e.g. for podcasts)? I don't see that anywhere in the announcement.

pluscher
Mar 12, 2012, 10:52 AM
Updated my 2nd gen Apple TV and the UI is horrible. It's wasn't great before, but this is even worse. Ir's reminiscent of the crappy UI on bluray players or smart TVs. There is no way to customize or hide anything. I only use Netflix and podcasts. Everything else is bloatware to me. Sorry Apple, but you need to fix this.

Honestly, I couldn't agree with you more. This is a terrible step backwards! Imagine designing a UI on this device that hides some icons/content "below the fold" (in other words, makes me need to scroll).

The old interface was concise, easy to use, fast & complete. It lacked features (like being able to customize or remove unused items).

The new UI appears to be targeted at always displaying content that can be purchased from iTunes. Yet another marketing ploy for the most expensive content provider on the planet.

<Aside>
I thought I'd give it a try -- but at $3.49 for a single half-hour episode of a sitcom? Is this really a price-point that iTunes consumers are willing to pay? Certainly not me.
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Am I alone that this new interface is bad?

It must be made for use with an iPad because using the remote sucks
with it. What is going on.

You're definitely not alone. The new interface is uncharacteristically klunky for an Apple UI. Very disappointed.

enigma2118
Mar 12, 2012, 03:57 PM
Yeah, but you can do MORE with that PS3 than with an ATV. If you already have a PS3, which many do, it is already an ATV+ (sans Apple programming and iTunes store).

Besides, it is $230 for a PS3. Free software to run on any fairly modern Mac.

So $230 for a game system which is a complete media system or a $99 PITA (you have to convert all video which isn't compatible while PMS converts and streams almost all video files, plays internet radio feeds, plays internet video feeds, etc).

If you have a PS3: $0 for a better media experience. PS3> ATV.

Get it right.

XBMC - the major reason I got an ATV2 when I already have a PS3. I also like how little electricity the ATV uses compared to the PS3 which gets really hot.

Black Belt
Mar 12, 2012, 05:52 PM
Does it say somewhere how much local storage there is (e.g. for podcasts)? I don't see that anywhere in the announcement.

Alas, it streams them like everything else. In a perfect world, I'd be able to hook a Pedabyte of storage and have the Apple TV serve as the front end for a massive blu-ray rip library like you would find in a high-end home entertainment system. But Apple thinks streaming is good enough. I think streaming is one of those things that will never work right because you are in a constant battle with your bandwidth, the sender's bandwidth, and the constant march of data size. There will never be enough bandwidth just like there is never a fast enough chip or enough hard disk space.

ertik
Mar 12, 2012, 07:47 PM
(Posted this in the Coverage thread, thought it would be more appropriate here)

I know it's early on specs but does anyone know if the new model supports:

- DTS Sound for 1080P movies.

I've ripped my Blu-Ray's with multiple tracks, the first being stereo for iDevices as iOS defaults to that track and the rest DTS in mkv. My Pioneer AVR supports everything, but the only way to play DTS is through a jailbroken AppleTV with third party plugins. The latest Handbrake now supports DTS in m4v containers which may solve the next issue...

- File Formats

Currently only mp4, m4v, et all are supported leaving mkv out (doubtful it will be supported). Easy resolution would be to remux my mkv's as DTS sound can be used in m4v containers.

- Bluetooth 4.0? Support for external media servers?

My current setup includes a jailbroken first gen with a Crystal HD card for 1080P and a second gen, both jailbroken and running XBMC for 1080P movies and access to my media server(s). If this new model can replace all that, I'm sold.


Can you explain more playing 1080 on ATV1G?
Many thanks

rkahl
Mar 12, 2012, 07:51 PM
I thought I read somewhere that you will be able to use the AppleTV to show your MacBook display on your flatscreen? Would the sound output through the AppleTV as well? Anyone have any thoughts on this? It would be very similar to the Intel wireless display feature. I'm just curious if my i7 MacBook Air would be compatible with this feature when Mountain Lion comes out... It's a bit early to speculate I suppose but it would be cool if someone has an idea.

Sound goes thru TV. I've been mirroring with my i7 MBA.

MagnusVonMagnum
Mar 12, 2012, 08:03 PM
The old interface was concise, easy to use, fast & complete.


Yeah right.... :rolleyes:


The new UI appears to be targeted at always displaying content that can be purchased from iTunes. Yet another marketing ploy for the most expensive content provider on the planet.


The old one was too. What else is new? Have you even used ATV before? Since 2.x, it's always been targeted to showing new iTunes crap. Even with the one update moving "My crap" to the top, it still defaults to the iTunes selection on screen and over half your "icons" at the top of the screen are for showing iTunes rentals and/or sales, not your stuff. In other words, this is nothing new.

Alas, it streams them like everything else. In a perfect world, I'd be able to hook a Pedabyte of storage and have the Apple TV serve as the front end for a massive blu-ray rip library like you would find in a high-end home entertainment system. But Apple thinks streaming is good enough. I think streaming is one of those things that will never work right because you are in a constant battle with your bandwidth, the sender's bandwidth, and the constant march of data size. There will never be enough bandwidth just like there is never a fast enough chip or enough hard disk space.

A pedabyte? Just a bit unrealistic, aren't you? :rolleyes:

I have zero trouble streaming to my Gen1 AppleTV from a central server in my house. You shouldn't have any trouble either for local stuff, particularly if the new AppleTV is hardware decoding with total aplomb (only time I get into trouble is when the movie is approaching the limits of the hardware as overhead gets in the way). As for streaming across the Net, it's all about bandwidth. I've had zero trouble buffering HD movies since my connection went to 10Mbit. It's usually done downloading the entire movie in less than 20 minutes and starts showing the movie in less than 1 minute.

pluscher
Mar 13, 2012, 08:03 AM
Yeah right.... :rolleyes:
[...] The old one was too. What else is new? Have you even used ATV before? [...]


MagnusVonMagnum, no need to be rude to me. My observation, perhaps incorrect, is that the new interface showed larger icons of TV/Movie shows at the top and that they did not appear to be context sensitive. The previous interface [that I maintain was easy to navigate as it was all on one page and I could quickly read the menu items vs. the icons that I now need to first scroll through and then interpret], seemed to put items at the top that related to the highlighted menu option (e.g. if I highlighted Netflix, it showed Netflix movies at the top).

I don't mind being corrected if I misspoke, but please be respectful.

P.

Black Belt
Mar 13, 2012, 01:13 PM
A pedabyte? Just a bit unrealistic, aren't you? :rolleyes:

Maybe for you.

bottsjw
Mar 14, 2012, 10:17 PM
My 1080p AppleTV has shipped. Apple says 3/16, FedEx says tomorrow. We shall see. 720p hasn't looked great on the large screen TV. Hoping this does the trick.

Yvan256
Mar 15, 2012, 10:10 AM
I see they now list support to play .AVI videos. That's a first. It's one of the reasons I had to put XBMC on my 1st Gen AppleTV.

You'll also see that .AVI is also only for motion-JPEG files, not the "DivX" variety. I'm guessing they support motion-JPEG avi files because that's the format used by some older cameras when recording videos.

macducky
Mar 17, 2012, 02:28 PM
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