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MacRumors
Mar 7, 2012, 03:21 PM
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The original 3G iPad came with an unlimited data plan from AT&T -- it was only available for a couple of months (http://www.macrumors.com/2010/06/02/atandt-replaces-ipad-unlimited-data-plan-with-2gb-capped-plan-for-new-customers/), before AT&T implemented its current capped data plans.

We're told that the handful of customers who still have unlimited iPad data plans from the first iPad will get to keep those plans if they get a new iPad with 4G. Additionally, their data won't be throttled for the time being -- AT&T's throttling policies only apply to smartphones, not tablets.

That said, AT&T's contracts -- including those for iPad data plans -- do allow for the throttling (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/03/05/clauses-in-att-contracts-have-always-provided-for-limits-on-unlimited-data-plans/) of unlimited plans, but we're told that AT&T has no current plans to do so.

Article Link: iPad Owners With Original Unlimited Data Plan Get Unlimited, Unthrottled 4G (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/03/07/ipad-owners-with-original-unlimited-data-plan-get-unlimited-unthrottled-4g/)



utwarreng
Mar 7, 2012, 03:24 PM
By that same token, I expect my unlimited 3G plan for my iPhone to turn into an unlimited/unthrottled 4G plan come this fall.

Hellhammer
Mar 7, 2012, 03:25 PM
They say that it's unthrottled now so people won't make a big fuss out of it. Wait a few months and heavy users suddenly get lower bandwidth.

jlmitnick
Mar 7, 2012, 03:29 PM
By that same token, I expect my unlimited 3G plan for my iPhone to turn into an unlimited/unthrottled 4G plan come this fall.

Read the post again. Won't work for smartphones. You will keep the unlimited but get throttled at 5gb if their policies stay the same.

8CoreWhore
Mar 7, 2012, 03:37 PM
"... for the time being..."

gothamguy
Mar 7, 2012, 03:48 PM
"for the time being" = until March 16th when the thing actually ships.

DiamondMac
Mar 7, 2012, 03:49 PM
Enjoy it now. I am sure in 2-3 months AT&T will claim that their networks just can not handle anymore people with unlimited plans going above 2gb....but if they want to pay a bit more....then their networks will magically be able to handle it.

mgipe
Mar 7, 2012, 03:52 PM
So how does one transfer the grandfathered unlimited account to the new iPad? Is it sufficient just to swap the sim cards?

nagromme
Mar 7, 2012, 03:53 PM
There are a few unthrottled AT&T users, just as there are a few unthrottled AT&T customer support reps. We may be glad of both, however rare.

Blorzoga
Mar 7, 2012, 04:12 PM
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I don't believe it for a second. AT&T will definitely end up screwing its customers as usual.

crisss1205
Mar 7, 2012, 04:19 PM
So how does one transfer the grandfathered unlimited account to the new iPad? Is it sufficient just to swap the sim cards?

Last year I had to login to the AT&T iPad account and change the IMEI. (AT&T servers were down so I had to do it myself)

PDFierro
Mar 7, 2012, 05:01 PM
Now I kind of want to just switch my pre-order to a AT&T model and buy a unlimited SIM off eBay.

I wonder how this will play out.

applesith
Mar 7, 2012, 05:17 PM
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I have unlimited from iPad 1. Just Ordered Verizon 4G because I figured I was going to lose unlimited.

How muh better is verizons 4G that att?

ks-man
Mar 7, 2012, 05:34 PM
There have got to be far fewer grandfathered unlimited iPad users than iPhone users so definitely don't expect this to be the same path when the iPhone goes to 4G LTE.

Biff...
Mar 7, 2012, 05:49 PM
I just upgraded to an LTE phone from my iphone 4s. My unlimted data stayed in place, plus I was given the option to add 200 msg for an extra $5.

Fofer
Mar 7, 2012, 06:01 PM
As someone who felt squeezed by AT&T's bait-and-switch on this, one month after I bought in, and has begrudgingly maintained iPad 3G service for two years now just to keep this unlimited plan, I am HAPPY to read this!

I hope it's true. And stays that way for awhile. This will sway me back in AT&T's direction, I was about to get a Verizon iPad 3 as an upgrade instead.

So how does one transfer the grandfathered unlimited account to the new iPad? Is it sufficient just to swap the sim cards?

I don't think that'd work as apparently LTE uses a new MicroSIM?

http://www.macrumors.com/2012/02/10/att-rolling-out-lte-micro-sim-cards-sparking-speculation-on-ipad-3-link/


Last year I had to login to the AT&T iPad account and change the IMEI. (AT&T servers were down so I had to do it myself)

How did you do this? There's nowhere on the iPad UI as far as I know. Is this via a phone call, visit to AT&T's website, what?

Thanks for any info.

LaWally
Mar 7, 2012, 06:49 PM
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I don't believe it for a second. AT&T will definitely end up screwing its customers as usual.

So I can't help but ask what is Apple's part in all of this mess? Apple gave AT&T an exclusive contract to sell iPhones for at least 2 years. Did Apple get no commitment from AT&T to offer truly unlimited data plans without throttling or to roll out LTE by specific dates? I bet Apple knew 2 years ago when they would offer a phone with LTE. Why would you net get a commitment from an exclusive provider to be ready with their network when you plan to be ready with your phone? What good is an LTE phone if the availability of LTE service is virtually non-existent? Did Apple grossly underestimate the number of iPhones it would sell and/or did AT&T grossly underestimate the amount of data iPhone users would be throwing around on their network? AT&T seems to be dragging its feet deploying a faster network while Apple keeps selling newer phones capable of accessing faster networks. There is a disconnect here somewhere.

Am I looking at this all wrong?

gotluck
Mar 7, 2012, 06:55 PM
ugh, this makes me sick as an unlimited data att iphone customer

jrfive0
Mar 7, 2012, 07:17 PM
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I just saw a Verizon commercial advertising 4gb for $30 a month....

currocj
Mar 7, 2012, 07:33 PM
At first I was happy with the belief that this would lead to my unlimited plan transfer to my 4G iPhone (5th Generation). Then I got mad all over again because it will be throttled. Then I thought why the heck should iPad owners get this priviledge but not us iPhone owners.

Solution for AT&T that would make everyone happy -> change unlimited to 10GB plans. All but the 24x7 video watching zombies would rejoice.

Otherwise, AT&T suck it!

Imahottguy
Mar 7, 2012, 08:10 PM
I called CS and they said that all I need to do is go to att.com/ipadlanding choose "edit user and payment info" and then "update device information". There one can edit the IMEI and ICCID info for the iPad. Once the changes have been made, power cycle the new iPad and viola. Your unlimited service has just been transferred from one iPad to another. Oh yeah, and you do get unlimited 4G as well as 3G. They also told me that currently there is no deadline for when one would have to do this. In my situation, I cannot afford a new iPad for like 4 months, they said that is fine, as long as I keep paying.

$30 for unlimited 4G? Yes preeze.

nickn
Mar 7, 2012, 08:18 PM
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I have unlimited from iPad 1. Just Ordered Verizon 4G because I figured I was going to lose unlimited.

How muh better is verizons 4G that att?
Of course it will vary depending on the location, but it seems that Verizon is always better. Take a look at some ATT sample speeds here,
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-57342659-251/up-close-with-at-ts-4g-lte-speeds-in-san-francisco/
and a Verizon test here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rueyCgw450g
I would assume Att will get slower as more people migrate to LTE, as they don't want to spend any money upgrading anything.

Spectrum Abuser
Mar 7, 2012, 08:57 PM
Month one:

All you can use!

Month two:

It's still all you can use.. ( Hands of CEO start shaking when seeing network costs)

Month three:

Be fair with your data! (Margins making shareholders unhappy. CEO ticked.)

Month four:

If you use more then 5GB you're a dead man! (Account termination button at the ready.)

thisisvick
Mar 7, 2012, 09:59 PM
it could be 50/50 chance att decides to pull the throttle button on grandfathered unlimited plans.... Im thinking this is the time to part with it.
i know i can check ebay and craigslist... but listings are prior att anouncement of this plan being carried for to ipad 3 - LTE....
You guys is worth selling?
What would be a good number to sell it for?

strongesthylian
Mar 7, 2012, 10:03 PM
How did you do this? There's nowhere on the iPad UI as far as I know. Is this via a phone call, visit to AT&T's website, what?

Thanks for any info.

You can log into your AT&T iPad Data account at http://www.att.com/ipadlanding

aypues
Mar 7, 2012, 10:35 PM
Of course it will vary depending on the location, but it seems that Verizon is always better. Take a look at some ATT sample speeds here,
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-57342659-251/up-close-with-at-ts-4g-lte-speeds-in-san-francisco/
and a Verizon test here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rueyCgw450g
I would assume Att will get slower as more people migrate to LTE, as they don't want to spend any money upgrading anything.

Actually I think AT&T will be the better solution as their new iPad supports 3G HSPA+ 21mbs when it cannot connect to a 4G LTE network, whereas on Verizon you get dropped down to CDMA outside of LTE and its like 1mbps usually (3 max).

On a separate note I'm SO HAPPY we will be able to transfer our unlimited data plans!

Fofer
Mar 7, 2012, 10:48 PM
You can log into your AT&T iPad Data account at http://www.att.com/ipadlanding

Awesome! Thanks for this.


Actually I think AT&T will be the better solution as their new iPad supports 3G HSPA+ 21mbs when it cannot connect to a 4G LTE network, whereas on Verizon you get dropped down to CDMA outside of LTE and its like 1mbps usually (3 max).

On a separate note I'm SO HAPPY we will be able to transfer our unlimited data plans!


With that, and that, my mind is made up. AT&T iPad 3 for me!

(Knowing AT&T though, they're just spreading this rumor to "bait" us. And then, a month from now, they'll deny all of it, only let us have 3G on these plans, and throttle us after 2.5 GB of usage. :( )

I'm only half joking :-/

antman2295
Mar 8, 2012, 12:02 AM
Well the nice thing for people in LTE Zones is that now that the iPad 3? Can become a hotspot, they will have amazingly fast internet...

Fofer
Mar 8, 2012, 12:11 AM
Well the nice thing for people in LTE Zones is that now that the iPad 3? Can become a hotspot, they will have amazingly fast internet...

Hmm... the iPad 3, as a hotspot, will work with grandfathered unlimited plans, for $30/month?

Why am I dubious? Seems too good to be true :D

aypues
Mar 8, 2012, 12:43 AM
Hmm... the iPad 3, as a hotspot, will work with grandfathered unlimited plans, for $30/month?

Why am I dubious? Seems too good to be true :D

No, the hotspot is a separate service. I'm am sure there will be a separate charge for that even with the grandfathered plan transfer.

Fofer
Mar 8, 2012, 12:48 AM
No, the hotspot is a separate service. I'm am sure there will be a separate charge for that even with the grandfathered plan transfer.

Well, at least with iPhones, the only way to be able to pay extra (which is $20/month IIRC) for their official tethering plans is to get off unlimited and go with one of their limited (ie: 2GB/3GB) plan. They don't offer tethering to those on grandfathered unlimited plans. So I'm pretty much expecting it to be the same for iPads!

http://gizmodo.com/5553135/att-iphone-tethering-an-extra-20month

Fofer
Mar 8, 2012, 01:05 AM
And hey, all we've heard so far is: "If the carrier supports it, the iPad will support being a WiFi Hotspot"

We haven't heard anything official from AT&T (or Verizon) on this front, have we?

Misaki
Mar 8, 2012, 01:29 AM
Month one:

All you can use!

Month two:

It's still all you can use.. ( Hands of CEO start shaking when seeing network costs)

Month three:

Be fair with your data! (Margins making shareholders unhappy. CEO ticked.)

Month four:

If you use more then 5GB you're a dead man! (Account termination button at the ready.)

That won't happen. AT&T owns all their backhaul (http://dslprime.com/a-wireless-cloud/61-w/4073-lindner-atats-backhaul-500-in-2011). Data is pure profit for them. It's only roaming and long-distance calls to other carriers that costs them money. If you're in the former SBC/BellSouth area, AT&T owns pretty much all the communications infrastructure and it's practically free for them to run it.

Their expenses are from failure to upgrade the infrastructure, dimwits who steal their copper or damage fiber, and paying commissions to poorly trained resellers. I could actually go read their 10K filing, but it's not that hard to figure out where the real costs are.

Data costs nothing. Electricity however is not free and always goes up. That's why you see large companies investing generating capacity.

Fofer
Mar 8, 2012, 01:33 AM
Yeah yeah SMS costs even less than nothing and yet the carriers charge for that too. They will come up with any reason they can (and even ones they can't) to squeeze as many dollars from us as they can. Their costs mean nothing. What they can (and do) charge us means everything.

denaliOnDubs
Mar 8, 2012, 01:50 AM
I have a grandfathered unlimited data plan from the original iPhone. The fact that they are capping/throttling users who signed up for an unlimited data plan is ridiculous. I spend most of my time on wifi and maybe use 1.5gb a month so I really never end up having a problem. But I feel for those who do. And why would they throttle smartphone users and not tablet users? Honestly a tablet is a data plan. I have a voice plan, texting feature as well as a data feature.

Bheleu
Mar 8, 2012, 05:15 AM
Why would they throttle smartphone users and not tablet users? Honestly a tablet is a data plan. I have a voice plan, texting feature as well as a data feature.

Easy, they are in a catch 22. iPad plans are a recurring type of contract, different from cellular plans and renew monthly under terms of the agreement for which they were assigned. Fraud would occur if AT&T were to try to end them or modify them while in effect, and they are always in effect provided the end user maintains them.

Here's my opinion on the legal long and short of it, they cannot. The plan on the iPad is a recurring charge/contract/account tied to the device, not with the end user. Because it recurs, it never ends for new changes, features, or degradations in service to take effect. The reason it is transferable is because it is not with the end user. It auto renews each billing cycle per the original agreement for the device/plan/account. Additionally because it is with the iPad device account, it is valid with any iPad device, it can only be cancelled by AT&T if you use it in something other than an iPad or if you break the continuous billing cycle. It has to be maintained by AT&T or it violates their original agreement that has not expired because it has auto renewal built into the contract. A contract phone user has an expiration date with their service, it is not a recurring plan. AT&T has a better legal leg to stand on with phone services because those are with the end user and effectively terminate once your contract is up, such as a lease on a rental house. The only way for AT&T to get out of the iPad plans is for the end user to miss a payment, switch to a different plan or use the service in something other than an iPad. If you make any of those mistakes AT&T will not let you get it back. The plan will exist for life per contract law on auto renewing policies if you always maintain it. The reason they can keep you from getting it again is because they have a right to change their policy, which they have as the Unlimited Plan is no longer available; however, because it auto renews it never ends. ie, catch 22. Sony Online Entertainment got stuck with the same legal snafu when they did their 6th year Anniversary subscriptions (http://www.necrotalk.com/archive/index.php/t-5939.html), the other benefit is they are not able to increase the cost either. Yes, these plans are valuable. $32/mo total for LTE/HSPA+/3G ie. Unlimited Data, Unlimited VoiP - Google Voice/Talkatone (~$2/mo), Unlimited Text - GV Connect/Google Voice is hard to beat. iPhones are compact, but iPads are the better value when it comes to UL GF data.

You know what is also similar to this? Rent Controlled Apartments (http://ohmyapt.apartmentratings.com/how-rent-control-works-in-new-york-city.html) in NY, same theory except rent controlled have a maximum increase built into them, no cost increase is built into the monthly recurring GF UL iPad data plan, nor is data speed limitations outside of the naturally occurring limitations of use of service.

You know how there is a fee to be let out of a contract? Well the fee for AT&T to be let out of the iPad plan is not specified but would be on the level of fraud. It could be highly costly for them to break the semi-never ending cycle. This is why the plan was quickly pulled, they realized their mistake. Additionally, they still make money but where an iPhone will be throttled, an iPad will not. It is not because AT&T is making more money off of one or the other, but because of the nature of the contract. I never realized this until today when I read your question to know AT&T would not do this on purpose so there had to be a real reason why, and then it all made perfect sense. Can any legal professionals validate my points?

boysdontcry
Mar 8, 2012, 06:39 AM
I have an original iPad with AT&T 3G. I don't want to get the new iPad without grandfathered unlimited data. I read through this thread and am still unsure. Where did MacRumors get this info from? Is it confirmed?

tido2012
Mar 8, 2012, 06:43 AM
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I was wondering, wouldn't it be better to get Verizon's LTE data plan for those that don't have an unlimited plan for their iPad? The reason why I ask is because I have an at&t iPhone 4s because of it utilizing the HSPA+, however it is my understanding that only Verizon has real 4G (LTE). Any input would be appreciated, just seems like my impression was incorrect.

boysdontcry
Mar 8, 2012, 06:50 AM
tido-AT&T does now, in fact have actual LTE in place (as well as HSPA+ backend). Verizon's has tested faster in speed tests. If you get good Verizon service where you live I would suggest the Verizon LTE. I have a Verizon LTE hotspot and it's VERY fast.

NikeTalk
Mar 8, 2012, 07:21 AM
WOW i'm pissed! I sold my iPad unlimited data sim days ago only to be screwed by this news! The way they were headed I was sure they'd throttled it like the iPhone so I figured it was smart to dump it. Also, this just drove the price of the unlimited data sims way higher too!

einmusiker
Mar 8, 2012, 07:37 AM
I sold my unlimited sim, but I really don't think this will last forever. i am currently regretting it though :/

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Easy, they are in a catch 22. iPad plans are a recurring type of contract, different from cellular plans and renew monthly under terms of the agreement for which they were assigned. Fraud would occur if AT&T were to try to end them or modify them while in effect, and they are always in effect provided the end user maintains them.

Here's my opinion on the legal long and short of it, they cannot. The plan on the iPad is a recurring charge/contract/account tied to the device, not with the end user. Because it recurs, it never ends for new changes, features, or degradations in service to take effect. The reason it is transferable is because it is not with the end user. It auto renews each billing cycle per the original agreement for the device/plan/account. Additionally because it is with the iPad device account, it is valid with any iPad device, it can only be cancelled by AT&T if you use it in something other than an iPad or if you break the continuous billing cycle. It has to be maintained by AT&T or it violates their original agreement that has not expired because it has auto renewal built into the contract. A contract phone user has an expiration date with their service, it is not a recurring plan. AT&T has a better legal leg to stand on with phone services because those are with the end user and effectively terminate once your contract is up, such as a lease on a rental house. The only way for AT&T to get out of the iPad plans is for the end user to miss a payment, switch to a different plan or use the service in something other than an iPad. If you make any of those mistakes AT&T will not let you get it back. The plan will exist for life per contract law on auto renewing policies if you always maintain it. The reason they can keep you from getting it again is because they have a right to change their policy, which they have as the Unlimited Plan is no longer available; however, because it auto renews it never ends. ie, catch 22. Sony Online Entertainment got stuck with the same legal snafu when they did their 6th year Anniversary subscriptions (http://www.necrotalk.com/archive/index.php/t-5939.html), the other benefit is they are not able to increase the cost either. Yes, these plans are valuable. $32/mo total for LTE/HSPA+/3G ie. Unlimited Data, Unlimited VoiP - Google Voice/Talkatone (~$2/mo), Unlimited Text - GV Connect/Google Voice is hard to beat. iPhones are compact, but iPads are the better value when it comes to UL GF data.

You know what is also similar to this? Rent Controlled Apartments (http://ohmyapt.apartmentratings.com/how-rent-control-works-in-new-york-city.html) in NY, same theory except rent controlled have a maximum increase built into them, no cost increase is built into the monthly recurring GF UL iPad data plan, nor is data speed limitations outside of the naturally occurring limitations of use of service.

You know how there is a fee to be let out of a contract? Well the fee for AT&T to be let out of the iPad plan is not specified but would be on the level of fraud. It could be highly costly for them to break the semi-never ending cycle. This is why the plan was quickly pulled, they realized their mistake. Additionally, they still make money but where an iPhone will be throttled, an iPad will not. It is not because AT&T is making more money off of one or the other, but because of the nature of the contract. I never realized this until today when I read your question to know AT&T would not do this on purpose so there had to be a real reason why, and then it all made perfect sense. Can any legal professionals validate my points?

sounds reasonable to me and makes me really kick myself for selling

SHPMac
Mar 8, 2012, 08:22 AM
I really hope the OP is correct about this. Last night, before reading this, I called AT&T to ask how I would transfer my grandfathered account to the new iPad. The CSR told me it could not be done and tried to explain it as a technilogical limitation. When I pointed out that this wasn't true, that Ma Bell could charge us whatever the wanted for the service, she switched to the "we're poor" argument. ("Our customers have told us that the want 4G and we can't do that with unlimited 3G plans."). At that point I was too frustrated to continue my discussion.

I may take a chance and get the AT&T version and simply do what others have said and adjust my account info on the AT&T site.

Fofer
Mar 8, 2012, 09:15 AM
Easy, they are in a catch 22. iPad plans are a recurring type of contract, different from cellular plans and renew monthly under terms of the agreement for which they were assigned. Fraud would occur if AT&T were to try to end them or modify them while in effect, and they are always in effect provided the end user maintains them.

Here's my opinion on the legal long and short of it, they cannot. The plan on the iPad is a recurring charge/contract/account tied to the device, not with the end user. Because it recurs, it never ends for new changes, features, or degradations in service to take effect. The reason it is transferable is because it is not with the end user. It auto renews each billing cycle per the original agreement for the device/plan/account. Additionally because it is with the iPad device account, it is valid with any iPad device, it can only be cancelled by AT&T if you use it in something other than an iPad or if you break the continuous billing cycle. It has to be maintained by AT&T or it violates their original agreement that has not expired because it has auto renewal built into the contract. A contract phone user has an expiration date with their service, it is not a recurring plan. AT&T has a better legal leg to stand on with phone services because those are with the end user and effectively terminate once your contract is up, such as a lease on a rental house. The only way for AT&T to get out of the iPad plans is for the end user to miss a payment, switch to a different plan or use the service in something other than an iPad. If you make any of those mistakes AT&T will not let you get it back. The plan will exist for life per contract law on auto renewing policies if you always maintain it. The reason they can keep you from getting it again is because they have a right to change their policy, which they have as the Unlimited Plan is no longer available; however, because it auto renews it never ends. ie, catch 22. Sony Online Entertainment got stuck with the same legal snafu when they did their 6th year Anniversary subscriptions (http://www.necrotalk.com/archive/index.php/t-5939.html), the other benefit is they are not able to increase the cost either. Yes, these plans are valuable. $32/mo total for LTE/HSPA+/3G ie. Unlimited Data, Unlimited VoiP - Google Voice/Talkatone (~$2/mo), Unlimited Text - GV Connect/Google Voice is hard to beat. iPhones are compact, but iPads are the better value when it comes to UL GF data.

You know what is also similar to this? Rent Controlled Apartments (http://ohmyapt.apartmentratings.com/how-rent-control-works-in-new-york-city.html) in NY, same theory except rent controlled have a maximum increase built into them, no cost increase is built into the monthly recurring GF UL iPad data plan, nor is data speed limitations outside of the naturally occurring limitations of use of service.

You know how there is a fee to be let out of a contract? Well the fee for AT&T to be let out of the iPad plan is not specified but would be on the level of fraud. It could be highly costly for them to break the semi-never ending cycle. This is why the plan was quickly pulled, they realized their mistake. Additionally, they still make money but where an iPhone will be throttled, an iPad will not. It is not because AT&T is making more money off of one or the other, but because of the nature of the contract. I never realized this until today when I read your question to know AT&T would not do this on purpose so there had to be a real reason why, and then it all made perfect sense. Can any legal professionals validate my points?


This is a perfectly fine analysis and all, but still, there's nothing stopping AT&T from essentially redefining the "unlimited" service, and throttling it after a certain arbitrary number is reached. Say, 3 GB, and claim that this only affects the "top 5% of users." Or 3.5 GB, and claim that it only affects the "top 4.1%." They can make up whatever new limitations they want. They did exactly this for those of us with unlimited plans on our iPhones and nothing you've said above would preclude them from doing it for iPads too... eventually.

That being said, this rumor (along with the link to manage our iPad plans ourselves, no SIM swap expected) has gotten me choosing the iPad 3 with AT&T instead of Verizon. Fingers crossed it all works out pleasantly and I end up with unlimited LTE for as long as I wish (and keep consistently subscribed, of course.)

Bheleu
Mar 8, 2012, 11:02 AM
When you switch it over, at the end you will more likely than not have to "resubmit" to the unlimited data plan. Watch for this, because you only have two days to fix it. I will know more on the 16th when I switch my data plan over. I am sure there will be a few of us in this thread doing similar.

Fofer
Mar 8, 2012, 11:06 AM
When you switch it over, at the end you will more likely than not have to "resubmit" to the unlimited data plan. Watch for this, because you only have two days to fix it. I will know more on the 16th when I switch my data plan over. I am sure there will be a few of us in this thread doing similar.

Good to know, and thanks. Where does this "resubmission" take place? On the iPad itself, under Settings? And can you do it right away, or do you have to wait some period of time?

Bheleu
Mar 8, 2012, 11:16 AM
Good to know, and thanks. Where does this "resubmission" take place? On the iPad itself, under Settings? And can you do it right away, or do you have to wait some period of time?

You will get an email to the address on file with the account that it tried to bill your credit card and failed. You can try it offline, but get one chance and the unlimited disappears from your selections if you screw up a credit card entry. You then have to sign in through the iPad where the unlimited option still exists. It's a bit nerve wracking, I lock my family out and do it so I have no distractions (2-GF UL data plans). The only other option is to call after that and talk specifically to the iPad department of AT&T, the other bunch has no clue how to handle them and you do not want them screwing you up. If it does disappear, in the past they had people sign up for the 2GB plan (no clue what they would require now), and they then converted it back to UL but has to be done within that two day window.

I make sure my plans have email addresses that relay success or failure to my iPad, and pay attention to them.

Fofer
Mar 8, 2012, 11:24 AM
You will get an email to the address on file with the account that it tried to bill your credit card and failed.

I'm sorry, I'm not following you...

Why would the credit card fail? I'm still using the same credit card, the same one that's been billed consistently for two years now. I am just changing the iPad the subscription is being billed for (by entering the new IMEI, and ICCID of the new MicroSIM on this page here -- http://www.att.com/ipadlanding -- on my laptop.) You get there by clicking "Get Your Pass." Our other account details stay the same. We're just changing the registered iPad info.

I can understand what you're saying if my credit card or billing address changed or my credit card was stolen and I needed to use a new one, etc.

Are you saying that simply changing the IMEI/ICCID will make the next credit card billing cycle fail? And then we need to "resubmit" to make sure it sticks?

Thanks for the info; I appreciate it.

Bheleu
Mar 8, 2012, 11:31 AM
I'm sorry, I'm not following you...

Why would the credit card fail? I'm still using the same credit card, the same one that's been billed consistently for two years now. I am just changing the iPad the subscription is being billed for (by entering the new IMEI, and ICCID of the new MicroSIM on this page here -- http://www.att.com/ipadlanding -- on my laptop.) You get there by clicking "Get Your Pass." Our other account details stay the same. We're just changing the registered iPad info.

I can understand what you're saying if my credit card or billing address changed or my credit card was stolen and I needed to use a new one, etc.

Are you saying that simply changing the IMEI/ICCID will make the next credit card billing cycle fail? And then we need to "resubmit" to make sure it sticks?

Anytime you change credit cards, like one expiring soon, and I think it happened with the IMEI change or email address change as well. I cannot remember. Just watch for it to be on the safe side. Tends to be on the first auto renewal after making changes when it tries to bill something new. It does not match from the prior month and auto kicks it out, mainly I think to get the acceptance of terms clicked in case you are a new user.

Fofer
Mar 8, 2012, 11:43 AM
Okay, gotcha. I watch these emails too so I know what you're talking about. I'll be specifically mindful after that first month to see the successful renewal kick in and if it doesn't, I am happy to now we at least have 2 days to "make it right."

I just took a screenshot of my current account details on the web page, so I know to make them match 100% if necessary, when/if I have to do it on the iPad 3.

jonhaxor
Mar 8, 2012, 12:13 PM
"... for the time being..."

so only applicable to timelords then?

jonhaxor
Mar 8, 2012, 12:29 PM
Data costs nothing. Electricity however is not free and always goes up. That's why you see large companies investing generating capacity.

oh please .. energy (and hence electricity) is a philosophical construct in the realm of physics .. what you pay for is the transport and possibly the generation of electricity because the transport mechanism is so limited. If the transport mechanism wasn't so gated and could become ubiquitous - energy would essentially be free as natural resources (eg: thermal zones, waterfalls, etc) on the planet could be utilized to aid the generation and amortize the construction of the plants to almost near nil.

Large company investment in capacity generation is a bit of a sham .. kind of like saying we need more farms because my trading post where you can buy groceries off the fire road in the forest is out of stock .. the capacity exists out there - it's simply the trolls that gate access on the antiquated transport and the lack of expansion on the infrastructure (or alternative infrastructure) that pose more of the problem.

NikeTalk
Mar 8, 2012, 01:06 PM
I'm not sure you have to do all that or really what you're talking about (no offense). The only thing you need to be aware of is when your CC that you have on file for your data plan expires. You could change iPads everyday if you wanted and the plan would still roll over as long as your CC is valid.

denaliOnDubs
Mar 8, 2012, 02:19 PM
You make a great number of points here. This sounds totally correct and makes sense. I remember purchasing my first iPad and it was sort of a prepaid data plan per say, I actually remember finding it annoying that I could not just tack in on to my monthly bill. I mean it was an auto pay setup so it wasn't a big deal, I think I was also hoping for an equipment discount with a contract but that obviously was not an option. I concur.


Easy, they are in a catch 22. iPad plans are a recurring type of contract, different from cellular plans and renew monthly under terms of the agreement for which they were assigned. Fraud would occur if AT&T were to try to end them or modify them while in effect, and they are always in effect provided the end user maintains them.

Here's my opinion on the legal long and short of it, they cannot. The plan on the iPad is a recurring charge/contract/account tied to the device, not with the end user. Because it recurs, it never ends for new changes, features, or degradations in service to take effect. The reason it is transferable is because it is not with the end user. It auto renews each billing cycle per the original agreement for the device/plan/account. Additionally because it is with the iPad device account, it is valid with any iPad device, it can only be cancelled by AT&T if you use it in something other than an iPad or if you break the continuous billing cycle. It has to be maintained by AT&T or it violates their original agreement that has not expired because it has auto renewal built into the contract. A contract phone user has an expiration date with their service, it is not a recurring plan. AT&T has a better legal leg to stand on with phone services because those are with the end user and effectively terminate once your contract is up, such as a lease on a rental house. The only way for AT&T to get out of the iPad plans is for the end user to miss a payment, switch to a different plan or use the service in something other than an iPad. If you make any of those mistakes AT&T will not let you get it back. The plan will exist for life per contract law on auto renewing policies if you always maintain it. The reason they can keep you from getting it again is because they have a right to change their policy, which they have as the Unlimited Plan is no longer available; however, because it auto renews it never ends. ie, catch 22. Sony Online Entertainment got stuck with the same legal snafu when they did their 6th year Anniversary subscriptions (http://www.necrotalk.com/archive/index.php/t-5939.html), the other benefit is they are not able to increase the cost either. Yes, these plans are valuable. $32/mo total for LTE/HSPA+/3G ie. Unlimited Data, Unlimited VoiP - Google Voice/Talkatone (~$2/mo), Unlimited Text - GV Connect/Google Voice is hard to beat. iPhones are compact, but iPads are the better value when it comes to UL GF data.

You know what is also similar to this? Rent Controlled Apartments (http://ohmyapt.apartmentratings.com/how-rent-control-works-in-new-york-city.html) in NY, same theory except rent controlled have a maximum increase built into them, no cost increase is built into the monthly recurring GF UL iPad data plan, nor is data speed limitations outside of the naturally occurring limitations of use of service.

You know how there is a fee to be let out of a contract? Well the fee for AT&T to be let out of the iPad plan is not specified but would be on the level of fraud. It could be highly costly for them to break the semi-never ending cycle. This is why the plan was quickly pulled, they realized their mistake. Additionally, they still make money but where an iPhone will be throttled, an iPad will not. It is not because AT&T is making more money off of one or the other, but because of the nature of the contract. I never realized this until today when I read your question to know AT&T would not do this on purpose so there had to be a real reason why, and then it all made perfect sense. Can any legal professionals validate my points?

einmusiker
Mar 8, 2012, 08:09 PM
When you switch it over, at the end you will more likely than not have to "resubmit" to the unlimited data plan. Watch for this, because you only have two days to fix it. I will know more on the 16th when I switch my data plan over. I am sure there will be a few of us in this thread doing similar.

correction: 5 days

Bheleu
Mar 9, 2012, 08:06 AM
I know how I am going to set things up (these are my plans, some humor -as i really expect it to work, feel free to copy them):
1)First I am going to power off my ipad2 (required before you mess with the website data, or for an AT&T member over the phone to help). If you skip this step it will screw up the transfer from working properly.
2)Unopened, I am going to use the info off the box of the ipad3 to try to transfer the plan.
3)If it succeeds, I wll open it.
4)If it fails, I will call AT&T and ask for their ipad department for transfer help.
5)If AT&T refuses to help to transfer from an iPad 2 to iPad 3, I will call back in a few hours and say I got an bigger ipad 2 and i need help transferring the plan to it as someone sold it to me cheap, it being the iPad 3.
6)If that fails, I may work the angle of a replacement LTE microSIM.
7)If I run out of options and keep failing, the iPad3 will go on sale on eBay for the first week w/ AppleCare+.
8)Once I am successful, my iPad3 will be opened and ready for use, I will then synch all my data from ipad2 and transfer to ipad3.
9)If for some reason my plan does transfer correctly, but AT&T switches it off I will go to the Applestore to get my money back opened or not.
10)If they refuse to do so, I will take the ipad3 and smash it on the counter repeatedly, pay the $49 and ask for an unopened replacement.
11)The replacement will go on eBay with AppleCare+, with one more use of accidental coverage left.
12)I will make sure my iPad 2 gets its unlimited plan back on.
13)I will come back here and post my success or failure and mention any hiccups or workarounds.

P.S. Worth reading my directions from last April when I transferred it from iPad 1 to iPad 2.
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1129205

robopath
Mar 9, 2012, 10:14 AM
There have got to be far fewer grandfathered unlimited iPad users than iPhone users so definitely don't expect this to be the same path when the iPhone goes to 4G LTE.

This.
"but it's possible that the number of affected users is so small that they're simply not worrying about it"
http://www.theverge.com/2012/3/7/2852953/original-ipad-3g-on-at-t-unlimited-data-plan-is-still-unthrottled
No idea what the actual number would be but it's a fraction of the unlimited iphone plans out there.

jdovejr
Mar 9, 2012, 05:40 PM
Whats the chances that att will keep this loophole open as a way to dump limited unlimited plans for massive profit?

Each sim sold on ebay or wherever claiming to be an unlimited sim sale for 600 and are a finite resource. Att can crank out as many of these as they want.

Sale 1000-2000 per month and thats a extra 600000-1200000 per month. Plus 30000-60000 per month recurring.

Bheleu
Mar 9, 2012, 11:49 PM
http://forums.att.com/t5/Apple-iPad/Transfer-data-plan-from-iPad-to-iPad3-new-iPad/m-p/3075727/highlight/true#M563

Well sorta, read the fine print at the end of his tag... Still coming from a Community Manager instead of a news website is a better source in my opinion.

Re: Transfer data plan from iPad to iPad3 (new iPad) ?
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03-09-2012 06:34:08 AM

We will continue to offer an unlimited data plan to grandfathered customers who currently have an Unlimited Data Plan for iPad for $30/month.
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If you don't have an unlimited data plan, you have a choice of postpaid or prepaid (session based) data plans for iPad with Wi-Fi + 4G.*Both plan types include free unlimited Wi-Fi connections at over 29,000 AT&T Wi-Fi Hot Spots nationwide.
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Here's the pricing:
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Data Amount Monthly Price
250 MB $14.99
3 GB $30.00
5 GB $50.00
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10smom
Mar 13, 2012, 04:48 PM
That said, AT&T's contracts -- including those for iPad data plans -- do allow for the throttling (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/03/05/clauses-in-att-contracts-have-always-provided-for-limits-on-unlimited-data-plans/) of unlimited plans, but we're told that AT&T has no current plans to do so.




THey are waiting for all of us unlimited ipad suckers to fall for the scam, buy the ATT version, and then they will Throttle us!

I am not falling for it.


When is the sprint version coming out.

surefooted
Mar 15, 2012, 04:22 PM
I don't think there are as many grandfathered unlimited iPad plans left as many suspect.

Fofer
Mar 16, 2012, 07:01 AM
I sold my unlimited sim, but I really don't think this will last forever. i am currently regretting it though :/[COLOR="#808080"]

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sounds reasonable to me and makes me really kick myself for selling

How much did you sell it for?

And how do you transfer ownership/billing of a SIM like this?

NikeTalk
Mar 16, 2012, 08:23 AM
How much did you sell it for?

And how do you transfer ownership/billing of a SIM like this?

Go to att.com/ipadlanding and login, change the IMEI number ICII number (not sure if the abbrevations are accurate iPad not in front of me) to the buyer and change the login/billing information accordingly. That's it, no need to ship the SIM anymore.

jtara
Mar 16, 2012, 01:19 PM
I'm thinking I may be better-off selling my plan than keeping it. I have an iPad 1, and ordered the new iPad, and have the grandfathered plan. I hardly ever use 3G, almost always WiFi. I can't remember when I last took the iPad out of the house, and have only used it during outages from my cable company.

On the other hand, I have used it in the past when I worked in an office (where they didn't allow employee devices connected to their WiFi) - I am a programmer, and use it for reading documentation, e-books, etc. for reference. So, if my circumstances change, it would cap my cost.

But as it is, it seems that selling the data plan would practically pay for the new iPad...

Fofer
Mar 16, 2012, 03:52 PM
But as it is, it seems that selling the data plan would practically pay for the new iPad...

What $ amount are these data plans selling for these days, realistically speaking?

EDIT: I just did a quick search on eBay, whoah:

http://www.fofer.com/sharedimages/unlimited_AT_T_ipad_%7C_eBay-20120316-135523.jpg

I have a new AT&T iPad 3 sitting here, unopened, and I continue to waffle. Sheesh.

Imahottguy
Mar 16, 2012, 04:09 PM
I would be quite wary of anyone trying to sell their unlimited MicroSIM on eBay or Craigslist. I remember reading when the iPad2 came out that AT&T was terminating unlimited plans where the billing name and card billing name had changed. I may be wrong, but I distinctly remember reading about this.

Either way, I cannot wait until I can afford the new iPad (I still have the unlimited on my iPad1)! I am glad that I skipped over the iPad2, this new one looks pretty slick. AND by the time I can afford the new iPad, the jailbreak will likely be out, and I will be able to transfer my unlimited plan to it :D:D:D:D

ultramet
Mar 17, 2012, 11:13 AM
Received my iPAD3 yesterday...went directly to my local AT&T store and actually found someone who actually knew something about this issue. They told me that all I had to do is to go to cellular data on my iPad and sign on with the same username and password that I use at the ipadlanding site. I logged in and my unlimited plan was checked off (along with the 3 new data limited plans). I just kept the unlimited plan selected and hit "next". Now my iPad is indeed listed as the unlimited device and the phone number from my iPad 1 3G was transferred to the new iPad 3. Very simple and yes they will honor unlimited 4G. I am giving my son the iPad 1 3G and they gave me a new microSim card at the ATT store so I can switch out the old SIM. Good luck!