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ConnYoungy
Apr 13, 2012, 10:07 AM
Come on now, really?

http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=335602&stc=1&d=1334329558

r.j.s
Apr 13, 2012, 10:09 AM
What's the problem?

GGJstudios
Apr 13, 2012, 10:14 AM
From What do I do about annoying ads? (http://guides.macrumors.com/Help:MacRumors_FAQ#What_do_I_do_about_annoying_ads.3F) in the Forum FAQ (http://guides.macrumors.com/Help:MacRumors_FAQ):
MacRumors uses an advertising service that supplies ads from a pool. We do not select the specific ads shown or the specific advertisers who participate.

Mr. Retrofire
Apr 14, 2012, 06:16 AM
What's the problem?

MacKeeper is scareware (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scareware#Scam_scareware).

FloatingBones
Apr 14, 2012, 08:11 AM
MacKeeper is scareware (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scareware#Scam_scareware).

I don't see it. The ads are hardly sensational; they just say what the product does. Further, MacKeeper provides a whole suite of functionality besides antivirus protection. I'm not a customer, but it looks like a decent set of utilities and has good reviews.

GGJstudios
Apr 14, 2012, 11:04 AM
I don't see it. The ads are hardly sensational; they just say what the product does. Further, MacKeeper provides a whole suite of functionality besides antivirus protection. I'm not a customer, but it looks like a decent set of utilities and has good reviews.
MacKeeper is pretty much useless. Its app deletion function is not effective, its antivirus function is unnecessary, and its maintenance functions are not only unnecessary, they're potentially destructive if not used properly.

You don't need "cleaner" or "maintenance" apps to keep your Mac running well, and some of these apps can do more harm than good. Some remove files/folders or unused languages or architectures, which does nothing more than free up some drive space, with the risk of deleting something important in the process.

These apps will not make your Mac run faster or more efficiently, since having stuff stored on a drive does not impact performance, unless you're running out of drive space. Some of these apps delete caches, which can hurt performance, rather than help it, since more system resources are used and performance suffers while each cache is being rebuilt.

Many of these tasks should only be done selectively to troubleshoot specific problems, not en masse as routine maintenance.

Mac OS X does a good job of taking care of itself, without the need for 3rd party software. Among other things, it has its own maintenance scripts that run silently in the background on a daily, weekly and monthly basis, without user intervention.

Five Mac maintenance myths (http://www.macworld.com/article/133684/2008/06/maintenance_intro.html)

FloatingBones
Apr 14, 2012, 08:09 PM
MacKeeper is pretty much useless.
Interesting, but I see no point in arguing the merits of this software in this forum.

Is it your position that MR should be blocking these ads? If so, please make your case!

GGJstudios
Apr 14, 2012, 08:12 PM
Interesting, but I see no point in arguing the merits of this software in this forum.
There are plenty of threads in this forum where its merits, or lack thereof, have been discussed.
Is it your position that MR should be blocking these ads? If so, please make your case!
I said nothing about the ads, other than to quote MR's statement about advertising. Just because something is advertised doesn't mean it's advisable to buy it.

FloatingBones
Apr 14, 2012, 08:56 PM
There are plenty of threads in this forum where its merits, or lack thereof, have been discussed.

Why discuss them in this forum at all?

Just because something is advertised doesn't mean it's advisable to buy it.

Perhaps. But why is this discussion on-topic for this forum?

GGJstudios
Apr 14, 2012, 08:59 PM
Why discuss them in this forum at all?

Perhaps. But why is this discussion on-topic for this forum?
You're the one who brought it up by discussing the merits of the app, rather than the ads. I simply responded.

FloatingBones
Apr 14, 2012, 09:24 PM
You're the one who brought it up by discussing the merits of the app, rather than the ads. I simply responded.

My point was to challenge the notion that the program was [simply] scareware. It is not. I had not imagined that anyone would extrapolate and start a general discussion of the program's merits in this forum; it doesn't seem like the right place for that discussion. Please stop.

GGJstudios
Apr 14, 2012, 09:30 PM
My point was to challenge the notion that the program was [simply] scareware. It is not. I had not imagined that anyone would extrapolate and start a general discussion of the program's merits in this forum; it doesn't seem like the right place for that discussion. Please stop.
There's nothing wrong with responding to posts been made. If you'll notice, my first post only addressed the ads themselves, with no mention of the app's merits. How can you change the direction of the thread by posting about the app itself and not expect anyone to respond? If others are looking for information about the app, they may find this thread in a search. I would be negligent not to respond to a positive statement about the app without offering additional information that could benefit the reader, especially considering that, by your own admission, you don't have personal experience with this app.

FloatingBones
Apr 15, 2012, 07:56 AM
How can you change the direction of the thread by posting about the app itself and not expect anyone to respond?

Because I didn't change the direction. My point was that the advertisements are not scareware. Noting that the majority of components of the product are not even anti-virus is a simple way of demonstrating that.

If others are looking for information about the app, they may find this thread in a search. I would be negligent not to respond to a positive statement about the app without offering additional information that could benefit the reader

Aha. You seem concerned that someone naive reader would stumble on this discussion about the advertising and mistake it for a discussion of the merits of the app. If that is your concern, the simple (and diplomatic) solution is to simply provide a reference to threads that do discuss the tradeoffs of MacKeeper. What thread (or threads) here or elsewhere provides a good discussion/review of this app?

Do you agree that characterizing the MacKeeper advertisements as "scareware" is inappropriate?

Mr. Retrofire
Apr 15, 2012, 04:32 PM
Do you agree that characterizing the MacKeeper advertisements as "scareware" is inappropriate?
No, never!

Apple2
Apr 17, 2012, 08:56 PM
I installed the demo version on an old machine to see what all the hype was about. Not only did it offer features that could destroy the user's computer, it wouldn't let you do anything without confirmation. It wouldn't even let you delete it! It's a paid Mac assassin!

GGJstudios
Apr 17, 2012, 08:58 PM
It wouldn't even let you delete it!
Others have had problems uninstalling it, as well. The most effective method for complete app removal is manual deletion:
Best way to FULLY DELETE a program (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=11171082&postcount=16)

CaptPugwash
May 22, 2012, 11:06 AM
Many thanks for the interesting discussion on macKipper, I thought that there was something fishy going on when I was unable to find a price for it, secondly it failed to appear on a few obvious searches. Lastly thank you for the help on the way to delete all of an app's files. Even after thirty very odd years in computers one can learn something new, silly thing to say considering the ever changing nature of the business. Still, many thanks.

Kind regards,
Peter

Cesoca
May 24, 2012, 09:55 AM
Because I didn't change the direction. My point was that the advertisements are not scareware. Noting that the majority of components of the product are not even anti-virus is a simple way of demonstrating that.



Aha. You seem concerned that someone naive reader would stumble on this discussion about the advertising and mistake it for a discussion of the merits of the app. If that is your concern, the simple (and diplomatic) solution is to simply provide a reference to threads that do discuss the tradeoffs of MacKeeper. What thread (or threads) here or elsewhere provides a good discussion/review of this app?

Do you agree that characterizing the MacKeeper advertisements as "scareware" is inappropriate?

Don't dare to come here to defend these friggin' bastards. I've been unable to run Safari thanks to them. Look:



http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy333/Marola1/Mackeeperspamming.jpg

GGJstudios
May 24, 2012, 09:59 AM
Don't dare to come here to defend these friggin' bastards. I've been unable to run Safari thanks to them.
If you have it installed, uninstall it. The most effective method for complete app removal is manual deletion:
Best way to FULLY DELETE a program (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=11171082&postcount=16)
If you're just getting ads, use an ad-blocker.

Cesoca
May 24, 2012, 01:22 PM
If you have it installed, uninstall it. The most effective method for complete app removal is manual deletion:
Best way to FULLY DELETE a program (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=11171082&postcount=16)
If you're just getting ads, use an ad-blocker.

It's not a matter of uninstalling the app or blocking the adverts, I had already uninstalled it, there's no trace of it in any search I have made. I couldn't care less for the adverts either, right, they're annoying, but since you don't click on them nothing happens. What I'm talking about is a disruption of unrelated activities while browsing the web caused by the interference of Zeobit intrusive techniques to sell their stuff. Have you seen the image I posted? There's no cancel or exit option. It's criminal and I don't know why Apple still permits such crap being sold in its App store.

GGJstudios
May 24, 2012, 01:26 PM
It's not a matter of uninstalling the app or blocking the adverts, I had already uninstalled it, there's no trace of it in any search I have made. I couldn't care less for the adverts either, right, they're annoying, but since you don't click on them nothing happens. What I'm talking about is a disruption of unrelated activities while browsing the web caused by the interference of Zeobit intrusive techniques to sell their stuff. Have you seen the image I posted? There's no cancel or exit option. It's criminal and I don't know why Apple still permits such crap being sold in its App store.
I agree that such advertising is obnoxious. Have you confirmed the popup is from the browser and not from anything remaining on your drive? Can you post a link to a site where that popup occurred? There should be a way to block it.

Cesoca
May 24, 2012, 08:35 PM
I agree that such advertising is obnoxious. Have you confirmed the popup is from the browser and not from anything remaining on your drive? Can you post a link to a site where that popup occurred? There should be a way to block it.

If memory doesn't fail me, it was a porn site that I even didn't have time to peruse (something related to hot hairy blokes). However, such behaviour is not an exclusivity of these kind of sites. While accessing Ynetnews, an Israeli news site, and clicking on any given article in order to read it, I have noticed that another page containing an advert is launched, as if it were aggregated to the page I intended to read. Have I made myself clear? ;)

GGJstudios
May 24, 2012, 10:34 PM
If memory doesn't fail me, it was a porn site that I even didn't have time to peruse (something related to hot hairy blokes). However, such behaviour is not an exclusivity of these kind of sites. While accessing Ynetnews, an Israeli news site, and clicking on any given article in order to read it, I have noticed that another page containing an advert is launched, as if it were aggregated to the page I intended to read. Have I made myself clear? ;)
The point is, if you can identify a site so I can see the popup, I can check to see if I can block it and show you how. If you don't care about it, I certainly don't, as I never see such popups.

FloatingBones
May 25, 2012, 12:44 PM
Don't dare to come here to defend these friggin' bastards. I've been unable to run Safari thanks to them. [...]

I believe you have misconstrued the point I was making. The OP objected to the ads, but never gave any details. In this message (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=14718712&postcount=4), Mr. Retrofire claimed these ads were scareware, but he never explained why.

This forum is for feedback about the site. There are far better forums for the discussion of MacKeeper than this particular forum. I see no point in continuing the discussion about this Mac app -- or any other Mac app -- here. Do you?