eMacs are defective. [Archive]

kerouac

Oct 30, 2002, 12:09 PM

just a warning.

i am a first time and last time mac user.
i bought my eMac 4 weeks ago, and it is broken. the display pulsates and vibrates, and the geometery is warped.
i took it in too be repaired, the techincan said he could not repair it. he said,when he spoke to apple tech support they said ALL eMacs are defective!
it is getting worse. and i haven't even made my first payment on this computer.
apple support has been NO help. they will not tell me what my rights are. they will not replace it. they will not fix it. compUSA also refuses to do anything as well, as i am past my 2 week return date.
so i have been cheated out of $1,100.

Mr. Anderson

Oct 30, 2002, 12:11 PM

I find it hard to believe that they are not honoring the warantee - they should replace or fix it for free if there is a problem. A friend of mine had the same thing happen to his and he had the whole machine replaced.

Good luck

D

tjwett

Oct 30, 2002, 12:23 PM

that blows. my friend said that all the eMacs at her school have the same problem. she said some look like a "fish eye" lens. lame.

John C

Oct 30, 2002, 12:36 PM

Sounds like your computer is too close too some speakers or another monitor or TV. Try setting up the Emac away from any other magnetic devices to see if it improves.

bidge

Oct 30, 2002, 12:41 PM

Just to confrim that they are not all defeective, mine has no problems with it apart from a user caused problem when I shorted out the Firewire port.

Take it back again and again

medea

Oct 30, 2002, 01:09 PM

um, I think your full of "something" because all new macs come with a year of apple care included, which means that any hardware issues are taken care of for you in that year, and not ALL emacs are defective either and I highly doubt that any Apple rep would state that or anything close to that. Also, if you had this problem why did you wait for 2 weeks before going back to Compusa?? Look, you might be able to pull the wool over some pc users eyes, but not us.

medea

Oct 30, 2002, 01:14 PM

Didnt you just write this kerouac? http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=174026#post174026

"i recently purchased an eMac about a month ago.
today i read an article stating there was a bad shipment of eMacs and that some displays do not work properly.
so i went to the discussion forum at mac.com and now i am scared.
it seemed there were many people who have a display problem.
i found there were two major catagories of problems.
the first being.
1. (less minor) a pulse/jiggle in the lower right corner of the screen.
2. (major) a pop sound, a burn smell, followed by a black screen.

thankfully i have not had any major problems. but i think there is a slight pulse.
do you think this is something i should worry about?

are there any eMac users who do not have this problem?

or perhaps the same minor one i have?"

gbojim

Oct 30, 2002, 01:23 PM

Just for everyone's information:

I do not own an eMac but a friend purchased one from a local reseller. This particular eMac had the "jiggle" problem. They took it back, the reseller checked it and replaced it no questions asked.

Getting a problem like this fixed should not be an issue at all.

TheJ

Oct 30, 2002, 02:03 PM

Sorry to hear about your experience with Apple support.

My new iBook (first Mac) was broken out of the box. Needless to say I was pretty pissed. However, Apple support was fantastic. I sent the iBook out on a Wednesday, they fixed it on a Thursday, shipped it out the same day, and I got it back Friday.

I also got $200 of free software as an apology.

Be persistent, call them back, and demand they take it in for service!

tjwett

Oct 30, 2002, 02:35 PM

Yeah, stay on top of them. I've found that if you ask for a supervisor they are much more helpful. What sucks sometimes about Apple support is you get second-rate service if you don't have paid Apple Care. Good Luck.

macmax

Oct 30, 2002, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by kerouac
just a warning.

i am a first time and last time mac user.
i bought my eMac 4 weeks ago, and it is broken. the display pulsates and vibrates, and the geometery is warped.
i took it in too be repaired, the techincan said he could not repair it. he said,when he spoke to apple tech support they said ALL eMacs are defective!
it is getting worse. and i haven't even made my first payment on this computer.
apple support has been NO help. they will not tell me what my rights are. they will not replace it. they will not fix it. compUSA also refuses to do anything as well, as i am past my 2 week return date.
so i have been cheated out of $1,100.

i think u work for microsuck:cool:

bousozoku

Oct 30, 2002, 09:27 PM

Apple is certainly willing to make things right and so is CompUSA, to a point.

I expect that you and your argument are defective. If the eMac has a problem, Apple and CompUSA will take care of it.

They're doing exactly that with my dad's two year old iMac right now.

solvs

Oct 30, 2002, 09:58 PM

Uh, you have 90 days free tech support, and a years warranty. You can also buy Applecare anytime within the year for $149 and get 3 years of free phone support and hardware repair. If you have to take it back a bunch of times, they just give you another one. Duh. What's wrong with you?

You're either a liar, or an idiot.

My first WinTel PC died, it happens. It sucks, but it happens. That's what warranties are for. I've had to send back parts for my new computer 3 times now. And I know people who are very happy with their Macs, e or i or otherwise. My Mom still uses my old Performa 6400 with OS 8.

Go buy a Gateway and see how many times you have to take it back to be repaired.

Ben Kei

Oct 31, 2002, 07:59 AM

I had a slight problem with my G4 when I first got it (every time I ran an installation program that asked for a restart it told me my startup disk was locked on startup!)
Apple care were great, they talked me through a few chacks I could make and when it turned out to be a firmware problem they sent me a disk to update and I (almost) never had another problem... are you sure you called apple care? :D

macmax

Oct 31, 2002, 09:40 AM

My cousin had a problem with jis power cord after 2 years of use, we don't even live in theUSA and he wrote to apple, zoom, the next day he received a new power transformer and a prepaid order so he could send the broken one .

Apple is soooooooo, cool.
You , microsuck lier undercover agent,hehhehhe:cool:

mmmdreg

Nov 2, 2002, 04:30 AM

Originally posted by medea
Didnt you just write this kerouac? http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=174026#post174026...

Hey medea, it seems you pwned kerouac there...maybe he hasn't replied because he's cut..
on another note, when my iPod had issues fairly soon after purchase, Apple handled it superbly and it was back in a couple of days...I asked for the service from Apple's website because i find it simpler than explaining to techs on the phone as I like saying things once only...however, the whole process was simple and effective and there were no problems what soever...

jefhatfield

Nov 4, 2002, 11:58 AM

brice

Nov 4, 2002, 01:16 PM

This person must be joking. The problem is sample for apple to fix there were some defective video cards that if you call any apple technician they can replace it in to hour. If your screen moves out of the viewing area or Vibrates a lot this could be your problem, hell if you have this problem just request that they do this fix. So who every you talk to didn’t know what they were talking about.

juanc01

Jan 19, 2003, 04:02 PM

The problem is officially called a the "raster shift" problem. Apple has been helpful, but the eMac is in for the third time with display problems.
Twice the raster shift, once with a different problem.
I am being patient for now, because because of fine support, and quick service.
This is not an isolated problem, I have found many reports of this while surfing around on Google.
BUT, it is not with EVERY emac.

PC Clone

Jan 21, 2003, 07:25 AM

http://www.soundcircuit.com/cboard/images/smilies/lol.gif@ this whole thread...

juanc01

Jan 21, 2003, 12:14 PM

Nothing better to do?

Roger1

Jan 21, 2003, 12:32 PM

Where I work we've had approximately 15 emacs go bad with the raster shift problem, and with some other problem (flash of light, doesn't turn on). Any way, we are running about a 30% failure rate on our emacs. Unfortunately, we have had several go in for the same problem 2-3 times. Fortunately, the tech people who fix them for Apple have been very good about fixing them under warranty.

I would suggest you continue to call Apple direct, maybe someone will eventually listen to you.

-hh

Jan 21, 2003, 12:34 PM

Originally posted by kerouac
just a warning....compUSA also refuses to do anything as well, as i am past my 2 week return date.
so i have been cheated out of $1,100.

Call your credit card company.

You _did_ pay with a credit card, right?

-hh

DeadlyBreakfast

Jan 21, 2003, 12:37 PM

Troll.....

rainman::|:|

Jan 21, 2003, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by DeadlyBreakfast
Troll.....

You wouldn't get away with calling this a "black" thread, or a "jew" thread, or anything else, so why call it a "gay" thread?

:rolleyes:
pnw

DeadlyBreakfast

Jan 21, 2003, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by paulwhannel

You wouldn't get away with calling this a "black" thread, or a "jew" thread, or anything else, so why call it a "gay" thread?

:rolleyes:
pnw

Gay meaning stupid not gay meaning homosexual......geez...chill out..

There are words with multiple meanings you know..Gay originally meant happy so stop trying to rally the troops...your post is worse then the original one...sheesh..

Here , have a driink on me.....

davy the bunny

Jan 21, 2003, 01:22 PM

Just to add a little to this thread. I also have an eMac with this problem. Luckily I had already heard about the problem before this happened to my eMac. I didn't buy AppleCare (regretfully) so when I called up Apple I explained that I was being affected by this known issue and asked what he thought I should do about it. He did indeed confirm that my issue was related to AppleCare Document: 95169 (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=95169). Now I knew that he couldn't fully support me and I didn't expect him to. He told me that it would be best to go ahead and take my computer to my local Apple Store and have them take a look at it to decide what needed to be done.

So I called my Apple Store (WillowBend in Dallas, TX if you care) and when I spoke to a "Mac Genius" about it, I was told that there was no known issue with eMacs. I probed a little further and pointed out AppleCare Document: 95169 (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=95169), but they would hear none of it. By this time he was a little miffed at me so he said to bring it in so that they could take a look at it so that he could get me off the phone.

I haven't taken it in yet because if they have to replace it I need to do some backing up first. Of course I can't agree with the statement that all eMacs are defective but it seems that many are. Maybe too many. . .

Also you have to remember that when you call Technical Support, you aren't really talking to Apple as a whole, just one tech who works there and you might just get a different answer each time you call depending on that persons mood and/or experience. Everyone who has worked at any large support company will agree.

But if you're really worried about it and if it's an option, skip all the talking on the phone and talking to CompUSA and go directly to an Apple Store and show them. I've had to replace 2 iPods and all I had to do was show them the issue in person and it was replaced on the spot without any more questions. In fact to quote the Mac Genius at my local store, "Yup, it's broken, hold on a sec, I'll get you another one."

rainman::|:|

Jan 21, 2003, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by DeadlyBreakfast

Gay meaning stupid not gay meaning homosexual......geez...chill out..

There are words with multiple meanings you know..Gay originally meant happy so stop trying to rally the troops...your post is worse then the original one...sheesh..

And "******" originally had no negative connotation, but if i called one of my black friends or neighbors that, i'd get my ass kicked.

I think, from now on, since Jew also means "cheap or thrifty", i'll wander around for the next week using it in that context. I'm going to wal-mart tonight, i should just stop people and tell them what a jew i am for shopping there. And if i actually find a Jewish person, i'll just tell them "geez, chill out - the name of your minority group has two meanings, one just happens to be very negative".

don't try to justify bigotry. gay has had one meaning in most countries for the last 40 or more years.

davy the bunny: Hope things go well at the genius bar, they can be a bit rigid but you sound like you've dealt with them before :) i have to wonder if they didn't try to cut costs using somewhat poor-performing hardware... it sounds like that rather than a design flaw, as some other issues have been...

pnw

diorio

Jan 21, 2003, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by paulwhannel

You wouldn't get away with calling this a "black" thread, or a "jew" thread, or anything else, so why call it a "gay" thread?

:rolleyes:
pnw

Gay, generally when used in that context means stupid. Like if I said, "this is one arab thread", nobody would know what the hell I was talking about. But if I say, "this is one gay thread", you would all know what I was talking about. (P.S. I'm not racist agains arabs, they were just an example)

Raiden

Jan 21, 2003, 03:28 PM

lol at that pic with gary colman. *saves funny image*

and when I first saw it, I knew it meant gay as in stupid so calm down everyone

rainman::|:|

Jan 21, 2003, 03:43 PM

It was originally used as a personal slander, like "that guy is so gay" meaning you're inferring that he's not the stereotype of a heterosexual male. To call someone gay meant that you were insulting them by challenging their masculinity. Inferring homosexuality, as if it's a personal flaw. It then later adapted to use as a slander against things in general, but it does still derive from a slander against a group of people.

Trust me on this one. i have a deep personal interest in the origin of that phrase-- and it's something that's been studied thoroughly. Even if you didn't "mean" it like that, it's still an insult to minorities.

"gay" as in homosexual and "gay" as in stupid are not at all separate meanings. Whether you know it or not.

If you want to be homophobic that's fine, but at least take responsibility when you use a homophobic phrase.

pnw

PC Clone

Jan 21, 2003, 04:33 PM

Geezus Paul calm down... do you have something you wanna tell us?

maluscanis

Jan 21, 2003, 05:11 PM

Paul is correct... saying something is gay is insinuating that it is abnormal. You might not have meant it this way but it will be taken that way by most people...and it will certainly be taken as an offense by a gay person.

chewbaccapits

Jan 21, 2003, 05:33 PM

"...saying something is gay is insinuating that it is abnormal."

oxymoron?

bondipete

Jan 21, 2003, 06:04 PM

i'm with paul on this one.
I don't suppose it's particularly nice if the word that describes what you are is also the word other people use for stupid.
think about it.
it's all about respect

Durandal7

Jan 21, 2003, 06:17 PM

MrMacMan

Jan 21, 2003, 06:26 PM

Erg.

All of you don't be shine get.

Anyways did he get it fixed?

DeadlyBreakfast

Jan 21, 2003, 06:47 PM

Hey Paul......

Beleive it or not I have quite a few gay friends..as well as lesbian ones (I like them especially).

Anyway....the more credence you give to that word having anything to do with biggotry the more the problem continues. I use the term "gay" around them all the time , they understand...hell they use it from time to time. Its not the word it the meaning behind it. It has no reference to me in the form of a put down to the homosexual community. No one I know uses it in that way. Its just the way it is around my neighborhood. Im sorry you live in such an uptight area of the planet.....

If I have offended anyone I truly apologize. It was never meant to be a put down to anyone. (Except maybe the person who started this thread :) ) Im just not used to that word being deragatory......I am truly sorry...

eyeluvmyimac

Jan 21, 2003, 07:57 PM

when i first got my 15" imac back in march of 2002, i could not burn dvds at all. i could burn cds just fine but not dvds. I was on the phone for numerous hours trying to solve it and did many many many many thigns but nothing worked. I took it to the apple store, and they were just as dumbfounded. They kept it and could not figure out what the heck was wrong with it. So they just sent for a replacement drive and there we go, good as new. Well actually better than new, cause it didnt work when it was new lol.

But thanks to AppleCare I was not $600 poorer.

What a great idea.

foofan

Jan 21, 2003, 08:53 PM

I've been using an eMac everyday since the 1st week of September. I've never had any problems and so far it is the best Mac that I've owned. I've been completely satisfied with the product.

DeadlyBreakfast

Jan 21, 2003, 09:38 PM

mattmack

Jan 21, 2003, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by PC Clone
http://www.soundcircuit.com/cboard/images/smilies/lol.gif@ this whole thread...

Dont get too cocky with that XP machine. If you change internal configurrations too many times your computer will lock for attempted piracy and you will have too call microsoft and convince them to give you an unlock code

"i could lie, but the truth i far too much fun"

janey

Jan 21, 2003, 10:19 PM

call apple. like right now. pretty sure that they'll probably fix and/or replace it for you and it'll be no big deal. *ALL* computers break so you really can't blame apple.

just don't go into an apple store. sometimes the "geniuses" don't know anything.

And maybe you should think about the applecare protection plan because it's priced reasonably cheap for three entire years of great tech support from Apple.

bondipete

Jan 21, 2003, 11:01 PM

Originally posted by DeadlyBreakfast
Hey Paul......

Beleive it or not I have quite a few gay friends..as well as lesbian ones (I like them especially).

Anyway....the more credence you give to that word having anything to do with biggotry the more the problem continues. I use the term "gay" around them all the time , they understand...hell they use it from time to time. Its not the word it the meaning behind it. It has no reference to me in the form of a put down to the homosexual community. No one I know uses it in that way. Its just the way it is around my neighborhood. Im sorry you live in such an uptight area of the planet.....

If I have offended anyone I truly apologize. It was never meant to be a put down to anyone. (Except maybe the person who started this thread :) ) Im just not used to that word being deragatory......I am truly sorry...

It's a tough one, this. I see both points of view. Some people object to certain words which describe them being used as derogatory; whereas others believe the best way to remove the derogatory connotation is to use the word lots.
I personally don't know what is best.
Except use discretion when you don't know the people that well. Friends - ok.
People you don't know - probably don't push it (unless pushing it is your thing!)

Oh, DeadlyBreakfast, did you *actually* use the line "I have quite a few gay friends"? Please....;)

Macette

Jan 21, 2003, 11:23 PM

having gay friends doesn't give you the right to be homophobic, deadlybrekky. paulwhannel is right. as usual.

chewbaccapits

Jan 22, 2003, 01:48 AM

You know whats ironic...My G4 is GAY...

PC Clone

Jan 22, 2003, 02:35 AM

^I coulda told you that :D

rainman::|:|

Jan 22, 2003, 02:59 AM

Macette, maluscanis, and bondipete, thank you for your support. I do apologize if i came off a bit harsh, it's just that, as i said, this is an issue very close to my heart. I came out in high school, in a conservative town that's not the best place to come out. And i've spoken to many, many other people with similar experiences. one of the things that's *always* remarked about is the other kids use of the word "gay" as a slur... it can be offensive, and downright threatening to a point, because you don't know if they're making any distinction, or if they really hate gay people enough to use the word in other cases where they "hate" something. it's impossible to know how people will react to one's coming out, but this always seems like an indicator that they won't take it well- and it's surprisingly accurate, those most opposed to me after my coming out were those that used the word a great deal. I had one teacher that forbade the use of the word in his classroom, after he found out about me, and i was immeasurably thankful for that... but for the most part, it was still acceptable. i even heard a teacher use it at one point.

my HS principal and i are actually drawing up plans to write a book on the subject, case histories of people's coming out experiences in HS, and how other's actions affected them. i'd imagine there will be a whole section devoted to this in particular.

that your friends are callous enough to not be offended is great, for the most part gay people do not take the subject so lightly. i just want you to realize that 1 in 10 people may be *extremely* offended by the word's misuse. You'd be surprised at how many people you know that are still closeted, and wince inside every time they hear it. it can be more hurtful than you realize. sometimes that has to be pointed out.

pnw

DeadlyBreakfast

Jan 22, 2003, 05:59 AM

Originally posted by Macette
having gay friends doesn't give you the right to be homophobic, deadlybrekky. paulwhannel is right. as usual.

Macette...I dont feel I have the right....no one does.If you have read any of my posts you could have and should have realized that I couldnt care less what the heck anyone's sexual prefrence is..It doesn't effect my life in any way shape or form...

Homophobic I am not....Paul....Like I said if I offended you I apologize...I was merely trying to poke fun at the original poster.

Stop round my way and I'll buy ya a beer , we will sit down and laugh about it :)

Like this guy .......

Chimaera

Jan 22, 2003, 06:29 AM

There were certainly some proplems with the early eMacs - specifically magnetic interferrence from the speakers affecting the disply, this has now been rectified though (we took delivery of 50 a few weeks back, and five had monitor distortions, all were confirmed to have been original revision ones)

We've had a lot of trouble with the eMacs in general though - they aren't exactly reliable - we've had to send five other back for repairs on top of the five that were replaced.

PC Clone

Jan 22, 2003, 06:59 AM

Originally posted by mattmack

Dont get too cocky with that XP machine. If you change internal configurrations too many times your computer will lock for attempted piracy and you will have too call microsoft and convince them to give you an unlock code

I don't think I have to worry about that :D

MacQuest

Jan 22, 2003, 07:20 AM

PC clone-

Windows XP Professional is an oxymoron.

The words "Windows" and "Professional" should never be used in the same sentence.

We all know what PC stands for..."Piece o' Crap" :D

Therefore, is that what you are a clone of?!:p

Joking aside, KeroWacK....I mean kerouac...I'm with Medea on this one.

I think you are truly an inflammatory moron, or...well, no...that's pretty much my take on you.

Just in case this is a legit cry for help though [even though you're going about it the wrong way], call 1-800-APLCARE.

Seriously, as stated previously you've got a warranty that covers 1 year of Parts & Labor and 90 day's of Phone Technical Support.

Definately get the extended AppleCare warranty. $170.00 will be less than what you'll spend on any out of warranty repair after the first year.

BTW, I've had me eMac since last June and NEVER HAD A PROBLEM!!

I even upgraded it myself [and I am in no way a computer technician] to a Superdrive eMac [which was unavailable at the time I bought my model].

CAUTION: DO NOT DO THIS!!
Yes, not knowing anything about the eMac, I successfully opened the enclosure and replaced the stock CD-RW with a SuperDrive.

Now I can fully enjoy using iDVD.:)

Kerouac-
Have some patience and definately insist that your machine get properly repaired or replaced.

I'll welcome you to the Mac Community if you don't rush to judgement and follow the appropriate steps to resolve your issue. The grass really is greener on the Apple side, when you look at Microsucks side that is purely cow dung!

But, if you don't give Apple the benefit of the doubt and decide to go with a P [ctrl-alt del] C...well...HASTA LA VISTA BABY!!:p

mattmack

Jan 22, 2003, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by PC Clone

I don't think I have to worry about that :D
You're not going to add any cards. If you do hope there as plug and play as the mac because. If you have to pull them one to many times ........Uh-oh

kiwi

Jan 22, 2003, 06:56 PM

My friend got an eMac early December and it's still perfectly OK. She loves it.

PC Clone

Jan 23, 2003, 03:12 AM

Originally posted by mattmack

You're not going to add any cards. If you do hope there as plug and play as the mac because. If you have to pull them one to many times ........Uh-oh

:confused: As in video cards? I've had like 3 different ones in here...

barkmonster

Jan 23, 2003, 05:35 AM

You're not going to add any cards. If you do hope there as plug and play as the mac because. If you have to pull them one to many times ........Uh-oh

I agree with you there.

A friend of mine who used to have an overclocked Pentium 2 with hundreds of holes drilled in the case just for overclocking and it was STILL wasted by my abacus of a beige G3 has had to call Microsoft quite a few times since installing XP Pro on his 2.8Ghz P4 system. I believe from what he'd told me that significant upgrades or changes like a new CPU, overclocking the current one (so it thinks it's a new CPU), changing the motherboard, formatting/replacing the system drive or changing the RAM in some way are all reasons to have to call M$ for authorisation.

I'm not making any of this up. It's just the fact mac owner don't need to do this that people are picking up on.

The wonky eMacs have got to be just a fluke, like the whole MDD range, only it's not going to last for the entire duration of the product and force people to either buy older models or keep having to send them back for motherboard replacements and other tweaks that do nothing to solve the noise issue even if they might sort out issues with certain sound cards.

I was under the impression that the eMac was cheaply built from the way it looks and from comments in some reviews. I don't think it's all that bad though, I'd buy one myself if I didn't need at least 2 PCI slots, a second internal HD and the possibility of dual monitors sometime in the future.

PC Clone

Jan 23, 2003, 05:57 AM

Well MY friend has a system with XP on it, which used to have an Athlon 800 ghz, which he overclocked to 1 ghz, and now has an Athlon 1.4 ghz... he's also upgraded the memory and has had 4 hard drives in there which he's swapped in and out multiple times, not to mention the GeForce 4 he upgraded to recently, and he has not had to call "M$" at all... and even if he did, all it would take is a 1 minute phone call and BAM, problem solved...

Dont Hurt Me

Jan 23, 2003, 07:59 AM

Originally posted by DeadlyBreakfast
Troll..... Hey Deadbreakfast i almost lost it all when i saw your post, nearly fell off my chair but my wife didnt think it was that funny and neither did paul. Oh well you got me to laugh. As far as the emacs go i think this guy didnt use much tact or doesnt know much about Apple. I have the same studio display that they cramed into the emac and its ok but never thought it was great due to a glow around a button they put on the front for brighting the monitor for OS9 i guess. Being a electronics dude i tried to take it apart but have 1 dam screw that stripped so i have learned to leive with it. Think this dude can learn to live with the raster shift!! Just kidding:D

diorio

Jan 23, 2003, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by MacQuest
PC clone-

Windows XP Professional is an oxymoron.

The words "Windows" and "Professional" should never be used in the same sentence.

We all know what PC stands for..."Piece o' Crap" :D

I've never had a problem with XP.

mattmack

Jan 23, 2003, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by barkmonster

I agree with you there.

A friend of mine who used to have an overclocked Pentium 2 with hundreds of holes drilled in the case just for overclocking and it was STILL wasted by my abacus of a beige G3 has had to call Microsoft quite a few times since installing XP Pro on his 2.8Ghz P4 system. I believe from what he'd told me that significant upgrades or changes like a new CPU, overclocking the current one (so it thinks it's a new CPU), changing the motherboard, formatting/replacing the system drive or changing the RAM in some way are all reasons to have to call M$ for authorisation.

I'm not making any of this up. It's just the fact mac owner don't need to do this that people are picking up on.

Yep and also theres a problem with the older Dell bios and XP.
My brother in law tried to go to XP and switched back to 2000 when there were soo many problems. He would switch to OS X except for the hardware expense

mattmack

Jan 23, 2003, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by PC Clone
Well MY friend has a system with XP on it, which used to have an Athlon 800 ghz, which he overclocked to 1 ghz, and now has an Athlon 1.4 ghz... he's also upgraded the memory and has had 4 hard drives in there which he's swapped in and out multiple times, not to mention the GeForce 4 he upgraded to recently, and he has not had to call "M$" at all... and even if he did, all it would take is a 1 minute phone call and BAM, problem solved...
Just wait and you also have to talk to a live person not a recording. You know how hard that is to do with anyone let alone microsoft