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ajcadoo
Jun 5, 2012, 12:14 PM
It's a sad day for iPod Classic fans. Today marks the 1000th day (http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/) without an update to the product.

:(

Very sad indeed



Liquinn
Jun 5, 2012, 12:26 PM
It's a sad day for iPod Classic fans. Today marks the 1000th day (http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/) without an update to the product.

:(

Very sad indeed
Should I buy one soon just for sentimental reasons? :(

wikus
Jun 5, 2012, 01:51 PM
Should I buy one soon just for sentimental reasons? :(

No, get a Cowon J3, its far superior.

NewAnger
Jun 5, 2012, 02:42 PM
I'll be buying one soon. I had to sell mine back in January so I have to use my old iPod Photo or my iPhone.

Hexiii
Jun 5, 2012, 03:30 PM
I just saw that and wanted to start a thread, nevermind. :)

JBazz
Jun 5, 2012, 06:57 PM
No, get a Cowon J3, its far superior.
How in the world is it "far superior"?

160gb. Nuff said.

wikus
Jun 5, 2012, 07:19 PM
How in the world is it "far superior"?

160gb. Nuff said.

In many ways.

1) iPods are notorious for producing some of the poorest quality sound of any mp3 player on the market. There have been numerous blind as well as extensive tests that have shown Sony and Cowon to be at the very top in terms of sound quality.

2) Not only does it lack in audio quality, iPods are also missing any kind of equalizer (and no, presets don't count). Cowon and Sony have been offering multi-band EQs for a long time, and I can count back to the 90s with Sonys Minidisc for EQ support which was later implemented to their MP3 players.

3) Format support is limited on iPod (no FLAC, OGG, WMA, etc).

4) Being forced to use iTunes isn't a plus. A choice to use it, would be a plus. The fact that I can take back my music from any computer on any platform without 3rd party hacks makes it far more attractive. Open standards is superior to a closed system like iTunes.

5) a) Apple's got a disgusting history with battery life. I should know, I've had a terrible first hand experience. Their 2nd gen iPod was vaguely described as 'over 8 hours of battery life' which could mean anything from 9 hours to 900 hours or more. The battery ended up lasting me no more than 25 minutes per charge in less than a year. Their current crop of MP3 players have improved, but still fall short of what the competition offers.

b) Top add insult to injury, theres never been a removable battery on any iPod.

c) I've yet to see any iPod achieve 64 hours of playback like the Cowon J3 can do. 64 hours is basically DOUBLE of what the iPod gets and pretty much double what iPod has EVER been able to get. While the iPods 160gb storage is nice, its not a deal breaker, most people don't fill 160gb of space with music. I would be surprised if the majority filled more than 16gb on a portable device.

6) Video format compatibility is by far one of the poorest in the iOS world. Divx? Xvid? MKV? WMV? Don't bother unless you like waiting and converting files.

7) External memory storage. Another huge selling point. I can take a 32gb MicroSD and slap it inside the J3 or any other card and fill them with whatever I like essentially doubling the maximum internal capacity.

8) Extra features like recording sound, themes, UI customization, Line-In, etc make the iPod obsolete.

I could go on, but I think I've made my point.

http://compareindia.in.com/media/gallery/images/2011/dec/j3%288gb%29_6_141213041269.jpg

JBazz
Jun 5, 2012, 07:35 PM
And the main selling point of the iPod classic is still the storage space. Your device + 32gb card doesn't even compare.

I have an iPad, I do not need an iPod touch or one of those cowon (?) touch devices. What I needed when I recently purchased the classic was .... Storage.


If it works for you fine, you really weren't in the market for a classic anyways.

onmi
Jun 5, 2012, 08:32 PM
I personally love my iPod classic 120gb. I bought it when the 120gb classic came out. I wonder why they don't have a refresh for it. Possibly might see one in WWDC...hopefully. I'd def buy the next gen one seeing as this one is lagging a bit here and there.

I agree with the post above, I purchased a classic over an itouch for storage!:)

I really do hope they have a refresh with more storage, new UI look and possibly a faster RPM hard drive...

Ariii
Jun 5, 2012, 09:07 PM
I really wish there was an update, even though I won't be able to afford one anytime soon. I hope they don't kill off the Classic :(. There's no clickwheel on the Nano anymore, so I think they really need one on at least one of their iPods. I think there's a couple features that would be pretty cool that I haven't really seen in music players. Something I would like to see would be 2 headphone jacks, and connectivity to external CD readers. Also, I think that Apple should allow it to be used as a flash drive with an external cable.

Also, with 16 GB of storage, the Cowon J3 can't replace an iPod classic. Maybe you could argue that it could replace an iTouch, but the App store is a huge advantage.

Denny23
Jun 6, 2012, 03:45 PM
It's a sad day for iPod Classic fans. Today marks the 1000th day (http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/) without an update to the product.

:(

Very sad indeed


It's called iPod classic for a reason.

LuckyBamboon
Jun 7, 2012, 03:38 AM
160gb. Nuff said.

Yeah, I really hate it when I hear a song twice, whilst going jogging for 12 weeks straight...

:)

FlatlinerG
Jun 7, 2012, 06:18 AM
I just traded my PS3 for an 80GB Classic and $50. I'm definitely loving it. My iPhone hasn't had earbuds plugged into it since.

Old Muley
Jun 7, 2012, 09:05 AM
In many ways.
6) Video format compatibility is by far one of the poorest in the iOS world. Divx? Xvid? MKV? WMV? Don't bother unless you like waiting and converting files.


Does anyone actually use their iPod Classic to watch movies? I mean, I know you can do it, but is that really the purpose of the classic?

Tobias Funke
Jun 7, 2012, 09:23 AM
And 1738 days with no redesign. :D :eek:

azahar
Jun 7, 2012, 03:28 PM
Open standards is superior to a closed system like iTunes.

Er... didn't Apple recently release (http://apple.slashdot.org/story/11/10/28/0115247/apples-lossless-audio-codec-alac-now-open-source) their lossless audio format (ALAC) under the open-source Apache licence?

dona83
Jun 7, 2012, 03:48 PM
I could double my iTunes library and still have it fit on a 64GB iPhone, barely. I have a 16GB device, but with iTunes Match I still have access to my entire library anyway.

NewAnger
Jun 7, 2012, 03:54 PM
I know there have been hundred of car stereos made to work with the iPod and iPhone over the years, I have Pioneers in each of my cars.

Do stereo manufacturers make stereos that are made for Android? Din't come across one when looking for a iPod ready deck last month.

Anyways, for those saying a closed system is better than open, that is purely a personal opinion and not fact.

I always enjoyed loading my Classic with videos to watch on my Pioneer car stereos screen while traveling and resting overnight.

dona83
Jun 7, 2012, 04:17 PM
If the deck is Bluetooth capable, it can be paired and controlled by the deck/steering wheel controls.

I prefer Bluetooth over USB/aux in connections, as it pairs right away like a bluetooth headset as soon as the car turns on and I don't have to do anything. Just press the talk button and tell my iPhone to play some playlist/album/artist or call someone or some number, all without removing it from my pocket.

NewAnger
Jun 7, 2012, 04:21 PM
If the deck is Bluetooth capable, it can be paired and controlled by the deck/steering wheel controls.

I prefer Bluetooth over USB/aux in connections, as it pairs right away like a bluetooth headset as soon as the car turns on and I don't have to do anything. Just press the talk button and tell my iPhone to play some playlist/album/artist or call someone or some number, all without removing it from my pocket.

Not that I need one, I have two iPhones and do not own a Android, but yes, I know they can connect using Bluetooth, my decks have bluetooth and I can play music as well as making calls with bluetooth.

I'm just asking if there are made for Android decks like there are made for iPod decks that can control the iPod/iPhone and show the track/album info like my Pioneers can.

I wasn't too impressed with bluetooth audi. It had a slightly flatter tone and I could hear static in between songs.

wikus
Jun 7, 2012, 04:39 PM
Er... didn't Apple recently release (http://apple.slashdot.org/story/11/10/28/0115247/apples-lossless-audio-codec-alac-now-open-source) their lossless audio format (ALAC) under the open-source Apache licence?

A format does not equal iTunes integration. Ideally, people should have the choice of whether or not they want to use iTunes. I for one don't mind the integration so as long as I have the ability to browse, move, delete, rename, etc. the music on the device at will. Apple of course, is very uncomfortable with this.

swordfish5736
Jun 7, 2012, 07:41 PM
Not that I need one, I have two iPhones and do not own a Android, but yes, I know they can connect using Bluetooth, my decks have bluetooth and I can play music as well as making calls with bluetooth.

I'm just asking if there are made for Android decks like there are made for iPod decks that can control the iPod/iPhone and show the track/album info like my Pioneers can.

I wasn't too impressed with bluetooth audi. It had a slightly flatter tone and I could hear static in between songs.

I'm not sure if they have that safe certification system like apple does. However there are double-din units for certain makes that run android OS.

gnasher729
Jun 8, 2012, 02:21 AM
In many ways.

1) iPods are notorious for producing some of the poorest quality sound of any mp3 player on the market. There have been numerous blind as well as extensive tests that have shown Sony and Cowon to be at the very top in terms of sound quality.

2) Not only does it lack in audio quality, iPods are also missing any kind of equalizer (and no, presets don't count). Cowon and Sony have been offering multi-band EQs for a long time, and I can count back to the 90s with Sonys Minidisc for EQ support which was later implemented to their MP3 players.

3) Format support is limited on iPod (no FLAC, OGG, WMA, etc).

4) Being forced to use iTunes isn't a plus. A choice to use it, would be a plus. The fact that I can take back my music from any computer on any platform without 3rd party hacks makes it far more attractive. Open standards is superior to a closed system like iTunes.

5) a) Apple's got a disgusting history with battery life. I should know, I've had a terrible first hand experience. Their 2nd gen iPod was vaguely described as 'over 8 hours of battery life' which could mean anything from 9 hours to 900 hours or more. The battery ended up lasting me no more than 25 minutes per charge in less than a year. Their current crop of MP3 players have improved, but still fall short of what the competition offers.

b) Top add insult to injury, theres never been a removable battery on any iPod.

c) I've yet to see any iPod achieve 64 hours of playback like the Cowon J3 can do. 64 hours is basically DOUBLE of what the iPod gets and pretty much double what iPod has EVER been able to get. While the iPods 160gb storage is nice, its not a deal breaker, most people don't fill 160gb of space with music. I would be surprised if the majority filled more than 16gb on a portable device.

6) Video format compatibility is by far one of the poorest in the iOS world. Divx? Xvid? MKV? WMV? Don't bother unless you like waiting and converting files.

7) External memory storage. Another huge selling point. I can take a 32gb MicroSD and slap it inside the J3 or any other card and fill them with whatever I like essentially doubling the maximum internal capacity.

8) Extra features like recording sound, themes, UI customization, Line-In, etc make the iPod obsolete.

I could go on, but I think I've made my point.

1. Poor sound quality? That's what you claim without any actual evidence.
2. Who wants to fiddle around with an equalizer?
3. Nobody in the real world cares about FLAC, OGG, WMA.
4. iTunes works just fine for everyone in the real world.
5a. What does this have to do with current iPods? 5b. I replaced the battery on my iPad mini with a 3.95 battery from eBay without any problems. 5c. Does the Cowon J3 work with iTunes?
6. Nobody in the real world cares about Divx, Xvid, MKV, WMV.
7. Is there anything more ugly and more impractical than external storage? And why would you want to add 32 GB external storage to a 160 GB device, that as you say most people don't fill anyway?
8. Nobody in the real world wants "themes" and "UI customization". What the hell would you want line-in for?

iMacC2D
Jun 8, 2012, 05:38 AM
Decided that i'll be purchasing an iPod Classic next week. It's kind of commemorative in a way, but mainly because I wanted one for quite a while to replace my 2001 iPod 5GB that is becoming quite rare, so i'd like to keep it safe which means taking it out of daily use.

The one i'm looking at isn't a current model, but a still new-in-box old stock iPod Video 5G with the Wolfson Microelectronics WM87588G DAC... excellent piece of electronics. Will need to be protected though as i've found these polycarbonate-faced, chrome-backed iPods tend to scratch up pretty nicely.

wikus
Jun 8, 2012, 08:39 AM
1. Poor sound quality? That's what you claim without any actual evidence.
2. Who wants to fiddle around with an equalizer?
3. Nobody in the real world cares about FLAC, OGG, WMA.
4. iTunes works just fine for everyone in the real world.
5a. What does this have to do with current iPods? 5b. I replaced the battery on my iPad mini with a 3.95 battery from eBay without any problems. 5c. Does the Cowon J3 work with iTunes?
6. Nobody in the real world cares about Divx, Xvid, MKV, WMV.
7. Is there anything more ugly and more impractical than external storage? And why would you want to add 32 GB external storage to a 160 GB device, that as you say most people don't fill anyway?
8. Nobody in the real world wants "themes" and "UI customization". What the hell would you want line-in for?

You don't speak for the real world. You seem to exhibit the apple mentality; if I don't need it, nobody does.

Mind you, youre so incredibly wrong on so many of those points. EQ controls and MKV formats are two big ones that everyone would love to have.... especially since it doesnt change anything, so there is absolutely NO reason why you should negate the additional feature.

NewAnger
Jun 8, 2012, 08:42 AM
You don't speak for the real world. You seem to exhibit the apple mentality; if I don't need it, nobody does.

The average person doesn't want all of this technical stuff. This is why the iPod was the leader in MP3 players all these years.

burnout8488
Jun 8, 2012, 09:51 AM
The average person doesn't want all of this technical stuff. This is why the iPod was the leader in MP3 players all these years.

Having these additional capabilities built into the software would not steer potential customers away, as long as it does not muddle the interface or design of the product.

Having a full EQ tucked into the software of my iPod would be awesome, as well as movie format support. However, I accept that supporting every movie format does not fit into the Apple way of doing things.

Liquinn
Jun 8, 2012, 12:20 PM
An iPod Classic wouldn't really fit in my set-up though would it? Hm =/

azahar
Jun 8, 2012, 05:23 PM
A format does not equal iTunes integration. Ideally, people should have the choice of whether or not they want to use iTunes. I for one don't mind the integration so as long as I have the ability to browse, move, delete, rename, etc. the music on the device at will. Apple of course, is very uncomfortable with this.

There are alternatives (http://www.pcworld.com/article/227348/apple_itunes_alternatives_make_managing_your_music_easy.html) to iTunes that you can use for an iPod and that will accept other formats such as Ogg, FLAC. You are not forced to use iTunes, as you claim in your post.

B777Forevar
Jun 8, 2012, 06:45 PM
If Apple does decided to update the classic, I do hope they finally add support for FLAC.

JBazz
Jun 8, 2012, 10:36 PM
Yeah, I really hate it when I hear a song twice, whilst going jogging for 12 weeks straight...

:)
And I really hate it when I want to listen to a specific audiobook only to find I do not have it downloaded yet, then I get to decide what to remove so I can wait 30 for it to download.

If you do not need 160gb of storage, fine. I won't critic your choices. But the iPod classic is the only thing that will keep me in books without waisting my time managing my files.

WilliamDu
Jun 9, 2012, 10:37 PM
The average person doesn't want all of this technical stuff. This is why the iPod was the leader in MP3 players all these years.

Jobs knew that 95% plus wanted simple convenience with great sound and he was right. Apple didn't make billions serving Heathkit fans.

I need a Classic with or without a WWDC upgrade (hopefully with a bigger HDD) because my 32gb Touch is approaching 5K song tracks and only has 1.7gb free filled with nothing but music.

If you only need 5GB for your music, you don't need a Classic - just appreciation that most folks like more music than you do.

Apple has always been for the rest of us. My 1984 124 Little Mac and a dozen or so other generations of iPods and Macs along the years were products of the same genius that supervised the Toy Story series. Get a life.

iEvolution
Jun 9, 2012, 10:57 PM
In many ways.

1) iPods are notorious for producing some of the poorest quality sound of any mp3 player on the market. There have been numerous blind as well as extensive tests that have shown Sony and Cowon to be at the very top in terms of sound quality.

2) Not only does it lack in audio quality, iPods are also missing any kind of equalizer (and no, presets don't count). Cowon and Sony have been offering multi-band EQs for a long time, and I can count back to the 90s with Sonys Minidisc for EQ support which was later implemented to their MP3 players.

3) Format support is limited on iPod (no FLAC, OGG, WMA, etc).

4) Being forced to use iTunes isn't a plus. A choice to use it, would be a plus. The fact that I can take back my music from any computer on any platform without 3rd party hacks makes it far more attractive. Open standards is superior to a closed system like iTunes.

5) a) Apple's got a disgusting history with battery life. I should know, I've had a terrible first hand experience. Their 2nd gen iPod was vaguely described as 'over 8 hours of battery life' which could mean anything from 9 hours to 900 hours or more. The battery ended up lasting me no more than 25 minutes per charge in less than a year. Their current crop of MP3 players have improved, but still fall short of what the competition offers.

b) Top add insult to injury, theres never been a removable battery on any iPod.

c) I've yet to see any iPod achieve 64 hours of playback like the Cowon J3 can do. 64 hours is basically DOUBLE of what the iPod gets and pretty much double what iPod has EVER been able to get. While the iPods 160gb storage is nice, its not a deal breaker, most people don't fill 160gb of space with music. I would be surprised if the majority filled more than 16gb on a portable device.

6) Video format compatibility is by far one of the poorest in the iOS world. Divx? Xvid? MKV? WMV? Don't bother unless you like waiting and converting files.

7) External memory storage. Another huge selling point. I can take a 32gb MicroSD and slap it inside the J3 or any other card and fill them with whatever I like essentially doubling the maximum internal capacity.

8) Extra features like recording sound, themes, UI customization, Line-In, etc make the iPod obsolete.

I could go on, but I think I've made my point.

Image (http://compareindia.in.com/media/gallery/images/2011/dec/j3%288gb%29_6_141213041269.jpg)

I love the iPod classic and it's actually my player of choice most of the time, but I'd be an idiot to argue you're points you are right. Though I don't agree with the battery thing, perhaps they don't offer the best life but anything they've made 2005 and on has been accurate in their marketing, in fact exceeds it in some cases.

Removable battery isn't much of a issue because by the time the battery wears you'll likely find yourself updating to bigger and better devices. Even then, battery replacement can be done either through Apple or through do it yourself websites. Admittedly the Classic (2007+ models) are pretty well designed to not open up so it takes patience.

The sound quality is significantly behind of even the other iPods the circus logic chipset is awful when using higher quality head phones, its so muddled and lacks balance and I wish Apple would have never switched from the Wolfson set. I do like switching to my Sansa Clip/Zune because some days I just cannot stand the SQ issues with the Classic, the Zune and Clip are just so much more clean sounding.

Video isn't that big of a deal to me I mean after all it doesn't even support high definition when outputing to a HD-TV and it only has a 2.5" screen. If video is someone's thing I'd probably wouldn't recommend anything less than a tablet or a device that supports outputs to HD-TV.


There are THREE big reasons why I like the Classic,
- physical buttions, no need to pull it out all the time I just clip it to my belt and use my fingers to navigate or adjust volume and don't need to look at it like you do with touch screens.
- capacity, I don't need to fiddle with external storage and the capacity is all right there, I don't need to worry about leaving songs that I want unsynced.
- iTunes smart lists destroy the competition, there are so many options you can work with iTunes vs the competition. With 160GB capacity you're gonna want good smart lists to effectively manage your music such as creating playlists of not recently played songs, recent additions, purchased songs, etc.

Those of you saying updates would defeat the classic name, I say bull. The click wheel is the "icon" of the classic name now that no other iPod device has it. They could bump the screen to 3", use glass, add HD support, add radio/bluetooth, improve sound quality and still have it look pretty much the same.

Henk Poley
Jun 10, 2012, 12:42 PM
Does anyone actually use their iPod Classic to watch movies? I mean, I know you can do it, but is that really the purpose of the classic?
I used to watch video podcasts (TED Talks) on a 5th gen. Before I got an iPhone 3G. It was excellent for this use case, the video is usually only additive to the narrative in TED presentations.

thepanos
Jun 10, 2012, 03:52 PM
It's a sad day for iPod Classic fans. Today marks the 1000th day (http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/) without an update to the product.

:(

Very sad indeed

What is there to improve on perfection?

It's a great product, they still make it, it still sells. It's brilliant.

I have a 5th gen with 30gb, still use it every day. 30gb of music is a lot of music.

The only real thing they could do is add more HD space or convert it to SSD. Adding more HD space right now is pretty pointless as 160gb is way more than enough, and if you want SSD you can get the iPod touch.

I much prefer the click-wheel over a touch screen for my ipod.

As for equalizers, the audio technician who recorded the song knew exactly what he was doing, I don't claim to know more than him. I'm not a DJ, I don't need to manipulate the levels.

yetanotherdave
Jun 10, 2012, 04:05 PM
SNIP

Do you make or sell the Cowon J3? I've never heard of it...

koruki
Jun 10, 2012, 04:16 PM
Targeted for audiophiles. Not the average consumer. Looks like they just focused on the sound quality, which does make it a better device IN THAT DEPARTMENT. Calling it vastly superior just sounds like another angry person taking a swing at Apple.

I purchased an iPod Classic even after I owned the 32gb 3GS because of the physical buttons and high amount of storage. I have used it less now that I have the 64gb 4S. It still remains a great music player which I always pack when I go away.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/Cowon-J3_Portable-Audio_review_video-sound-quality-performance_Page-3

"Excellent sound quality and now-rare audio recording features make the Cowon J3 a top buy for sound quality enthusiasts. However, navigation's not particularly intuitive and the additional "app" style features are gimmicky."

NewAnger
Jun 10, 2012, 06:21 PM
iPod Classic is on sale at BestBuy. Seriously thinking of picking one up. I have 99GB of music and I miss being able to have my entire collection with me in the car. I also have audiobooks and podcasts that I like to bring along.

wikus
Jun 10, 2012, 08:21 PM
Do you make or sell the Cowon J3? I've never heard of it...

What would be your most favourable answer if it meant admitting a superior product exists?

babens
Jun 10, 2012, 08:29 PM
iPod Classic is on sale at BestBuy. Seriously thinking of picking one up. I have 99GB of music and I miss being able to have my entire collection with me in the car. I also have audiobooks and podcasts that I like to bring along.

If you have an old iPod that you no longer use and are near an Apple store they offer a 10% discount on a new iPod if you recycle the old one through them, which is a slightly better deal than Best Buy's current sale. I did that not too long ago, trading in my iPod Video that I've had since December 2005. It was kind of sad handing over my first Apple device, but it had a good run and it was time for me to upgrade to more storage.

tech4all
Jun 10, 2012, 11:03 PM
In many ways.

1) iPods are notorious for producing some of the poorest quality sound of any mp3 player on the market. There have been numerous blind as well as extensive tests that have shown Sony and Cowon to be at the very top in terms of sound quality.

Source?

2) Not only does it lack in audio quality, iPods are also missing any kind of equalizer (and no, presets don't count). Cowon and Sony have been offering multi-band EQs for a long time, and I can count back to the 90s with Sonys Minidisc for EQ support which was later implemented to their MP3 players.

Pretty sure your typical person cares about this. Presets are fine.

3) Format support is limited on iPod (no FLAC, OGG, WMA, etc).

Pretty sure most people don't care about these file formats.

4) Being forced to use iTunes isn't a plus. A choice to use it, would be a plus. The fact that I can take back my music from any computer on any platform without 3rd party hacks makes it far more attractive. Open standards is superior to a closed system like iTunes.

iTunes works great. People complain that it sucks on a PC, but for me it's fine on my PC.

5) a) Apple's got a disgusting history with battery life. I should know, I've had a terrible first hand experience. Their 2nd gen iPod was vaguely described as 'over 8 hours of battery life' which could mean anything from 9 hours to 900 hours or more. The battery ended up lasting me no more than 25 minutes per charge in less than a year. Their current crop of MP3 players have improved, but still fall short of what the competition offers.

What's your point? They promise 8 hours. If you get more, great.



b) Top add insult to injury, theres never been a removable battery on any iPod.

While I see your point, I've had my iPod for 8 years. Battery isn't what it used to be, but still gets the job done.

c) I've yet to see any iPod achieve 64 hours of playback like the Cowon J3 can do. 64 hours is basically DOUBLE of what the iPod gets and pretty much double what iPod has EVER been able to get. While the iPods 160gb storage is nice, its not a deal breaker, most people don't fill 160gb of space with music. I would be surprised if the majority filled more than 16gb on a portable device.

I wouldn't be so sure. (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1073538&highlight=how+big+is+your+itunes+library)

]6) Video format compatibility is by far one of the poorest in the iOS world. Divx? Xvid? MKV? WMV? Don't bother unless you like waiting and converting files.

This files are not a concern for your typical person.

7) External memory storage. Another huge selling point. I can take a 32gb MicroSD and slap it inside the J3 or any other card and fill them with whatever I like essentially doubling the maximum internal capacity.

It's funny you said earlier not many people use the maximum capacity of the iPod, yet now you say it should have external memory storage. Besides I think current offerings are fine for your typical customer.

8) Extra features like recording sound, themes, UI customization, Line-In, etc make the iPod obsolete.

I only look at my iPod when choosing a song. Themes are useless. It's an iPod not a computer.

If you want to record sound, get one of those adapters. Not having these things doesn't make the iPod "obsolete."

I could go on, but I think I've made my point.

And many have challenged it.


What would be your most favourable answer if it meant admitting a superior product exists?

Why don't you tell us?

wikus
Jun 11, 2012, 12:35 AM
Source?



Pretty sure your typical person cares about this. Presets are fine.



Pretty sure most people don't care about these file formats.



iTunes works great. People complain that it sucks on a PC, but for me it's fine on my PC.



What's your point? They promise 8 hours. If you get more, great.





While I see your point, I've had my iPod for 8 years. Battery isn't what it used to be, but still gets the job done.



I wouldn't be so sure. (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1073538&highlight=how+big+is+your+itunes+library)



This files are not a concern for your typical person.



It's funny you said earlier not many people use the maximum capacity of the iPod, yet now you say it should have external memory storage. Besides I think current offerings are fine for your typical customer.



I only look at my iPod when choosing a song. Themes are useless. It's an iPod not a computer.

If you want to record sound, get one of those adapters. Not having these things doesn't make the iPod "obsolete."



And many have challenged it.




Why don't you tell us?

Nearly all of your rebuttals were based on assumptions of what a user 'probably' wouldnt care for. How would you know? Your the second person in this thread that negates the possibility to add a few software tweaks that does NOTHING to hinder the performance of the iPod. Youre exhibiting EXACTLY the behaviour that Apple fanboys are stereotyped as;

1) Apple omits standard features
2) Criticism is given for the lack of said features
3) Apple fanboys deny the criticism and praise apple's choice to omit said features
4) Apple then updates the product WITH the features people asked for

And what happens at 5?

5) Fanboys completely forget their previous stance, ignore the past criticisms and act as if Apple never did anything that warranted the criticism, thereby sweeping everything under the rug.

You know I'm glad there are alternative and superior products like the Cowon J3 and S9, because I as well as others don't have to believe that the choice of digital audio players ends with iPods, nor should anyone be more or less forced into the realm of the closed apple iOS system (because it is locked down, with the FACTS that I stated in my initial post).

But here lies the problem, members of the macrumors community would rather downrank valid criticisms of a product thats lacking great potential than to actually improve upon it, if only to ride the Apple bandwagon and never question Apple's motives, as if this corporation was some kind of God. Showing your allegiance to a BRAND (of all things) is nothing short of irrational.

You wanted to know where I got my source for the fact that iPods are known for poor audio quality? Search for the Cnet blind audio test between Sony, Apple, Cowon and others. Its an old review done by a few people in a blind test. Sony came out on top with the warmest sound while iPods came dead last.

I have to ask;

1) is there something wrong with me or anyone else pointing out flaws with the iPod?
2) does choice or options give you people the hives as much as it did for Steve Jobs?

zaaadje
Jun 11, 2012, 06:33 AM
I have to ask;

1) is there something wrong with me or anyone else pointing out flaws with the iPod?
2) does choice or options give you people the hives as much as it did for Steve Jobs?

I think you're missing the point.

You have some specs that you clearly dislike on an iPod, and you're free to point these out. But you're calling another device "far superior" based on personal preference of features. I'm sure the audio quality is better on your device, and it probably supports a million more formats, etc. But truth is that a great deal of people don't care about these features. They just want to listen to their music (which is for 95%, if not more, all mp3). No more, no less.
To prove my point, just look at the amount of iPods sold each day. Most people aren't bothered with the "inferior" sound quality, or lack of all kinds of exotic formats. They just want something that works for them.

Clearly, you look for something more in a portable audio player, and i'm happy for you that you found something that suits your needs. Thank god there is enough choice for everyone. Just don't think it's superior because it does more. At the end of the day, (for most people) it still is about playing your favorite music on-the-go.

Regards, Z

OllyW
Jun 11, 2012, 06:42 AM
I'm still loving my original 160GB classic which my parents bought me from the USA in September 2007.

It's used every day while I'm at work for 8+ hours a day and still gets 40+ hours playback per charge.

I think it's one of my favourite ever presents. Long live the classic. :cool:

Gasu E.
Jun 11, 2012, 09:44 AM
What would be your most favourable answer if it meant admitting a superior product exists?

The Cowon website says the J3 only goes up to 32 GB, so why bring it up in a Classic discussion?

Dagless
Jun 11, 2012, 02:27 PM
The average person doesn't want all of this technical stuff. This is why the iPod was the leader in MP3 players all these years.

Exactly. I love how simple the iPod line is. I've used other MP3 players, minidisc, CD and cassette in the past. I hated all the fiddly things that came with those devices, I hated the cheap interfaces and feel to them.

Just let me listen to my MP3s, don't throw a confusing menu at me or give me options I don't need for a device on the go (renaming songs... really?).
"Keep it simple, stupid"

You don't speak for the real world. You seem to exhibit the apple mentality; if I don't need it, nobody does.

I'd imagine the real world to mean the "majority of people", in which case they have already made their choice. For better or worse.

So back on topic...
I'd love a Classic 160gb to replace my 80gb 5.5G. It's getting on a bit now, picked it up in 2007 - the battery life is still incredible (it only gets used for videos for a 45 mins a day), only need to recharge it once a week.

The moment rumours start that they will cease production of the Classic; I'll get one.

NewAnger
Jun 11, 2012, 02:51 PM
Exactly. I love how simple the iPod line is. I've used other MP3 players, minidisc, CD and cassette in the past. I hated all the fiddly things that came with those devices, I hated the cheap interfaces and feel to them.

Just let me listen to my MP3s, don't throw a confusing menu at me or give me options I don't need for a device on the go (renaming songs... really?).
"Keep it simple, stupid"



I'd imagine the real world to mean the "majority of people", in which case they have already made their choice. For better or worse.

So back on topic...
I'd love a Classic 160gb to replace my 80gb 5.5G. It's getting on a bit now, picked it up in 2007 - the battery life is still incredible (it only gets used for videos for a 45 mins a day), only need to recharge it once a week.

The moment rumours start that they will cease production of the Classic; I'll get one.

They are on sale at BestBuy at about $220. I may be heading there today to get one. I have 99GB of music plus several podcasts and audiobooks I like to have with me. Nothing else can carry them.

Dagless
Jun 11, 2012, 03:29 PM
They are on sale at BestBuy at about $220. I may be heading there today to get one. I have 99GB of music plus several podcasts and audiobooks I like to have with me. Nothing else can carry them.

Not in England they're not ;).

I don't mind paying Apple prices for one. I swear by my 5.5G, after all :).

Obioban
Jun 11, 2012, 06:55 PM
I don't own a classic. Last classic I bought was a 3rd gen, when it still had a black and white screen. I used that as my car player (hardwired, steering wheel controls and ID3 info going to the nav display) for 9 years before finally updating it to an iPod touch 64gb (which I did so that it will sync wirelessly ever night when I pull into the garage, the 3rd gen classic was still going strong).

That said, on the EQ front...
If you set the iPod eq to "flat" then it uses whatever eq settings you set up in iTunes-- including custom EQs.

I only use it for ~30 tracks of the 10,000 in my library, but the feature does exist if you want it!

macingman
Jun 11, 2012, 10:11 PM
It's a sad day for iPod Classic fans. Today marks the 1000th day (http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/) without an update to the product.

:(

Very sad indeed

I can't really think of any updates which would fit with the product though. Perhaps an SSD but that would skyrocket the price.

It's still a solid product if you want to carry around that much music/video. Buy one on ebay for $150 secondhand and you can't go wrong.

Virinprew
Jun 12, 2012, 10:41 AM
In many ways.

1) iPods are notorious for producing some of the poorest quality sound of any mp3 player on the market. There have been numerous blind as well as extensive tests that have shown Sony and Cowon to be at the very top in terms of sound quality.

2) Not only does it lack in audio quality, iPods are also missing any kind of equalizer (and no, presets don't count). Cowon and Sony have been offering multi-band EQs for a long time, and I can count back to the 90s with Sonys Minidisc for EQ support which was later implemented to their MP3 players.

3) Format support is limited on iPod (no FLAC, OGG, WMA, etc).

4) Being forced to use iTunes isn't a plus. A choice to use it, would be a plus. The fact that I can take back my music from any computer on any platform without 3rd party hacks makes it far more attractive. Open standards is superior to a closed system like iTunes.

5) a) Apple's got a disgusting history with battery life. I should know, I've had a terrible first hand experience. Their 2nd gen iPod was vaguely described as 'over 8 hours of battery life' which could mean anything from 9 hours to 900 hours or more. The battery ended up lasting me no more than 25 minutes per charge in less than a year. Their current crop of MP3 players have improved, but still fall short of what the competition offers.

b) Top add insult to injury, theres never been a removable battery on any iPod.

c) I've yet to see any iPod achieve 64 hours of playback like the Cowon J3 can do. 64 hours is basically DOUBLE of what the iPod gets and pretty much double what iPod has EVER been able to get. While the iPods 160gb storage is nice, its not a deal breaker, most people don't fill 160gb of space with music. I would be surprised if the majority filled more than 16gb on a portable device.

6) Video format compatibility is by far one of the poorest in the iOS world. Divx? Xvid? MKV? WMV? Don't bother unless you like waiting and converting files.

7) External memory storage. Another huge selling point. I can take a 32gb MicroSD and slap it inside the J3 or any other card and fill them with whatever I like essentially doubling the maximum internal capacity.

8) Extra features like recording sound, themes, UI customization, Line-In, etc make the iPod obsolete.

I could go on, but I think I've made my point.

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AnonMac50
Jun 12, 2012, 11:57 AM
Does anyone actually use their iPod Classic to watch movies? I mean, I know you can do it, but is that really the purpose of the classic?

I've used my 80 GB Video to do that before. I found the problem with the Video for me was the "low" disk space (I have at least triple that in just music).

NewAnger
Jun 18, 2012, 10:07 PM
I finally went down to BestBuy and got my 160GB black Classic while it was still on sale. It's going to take a while to sync all 12400 songs onto it but I can't wait to start using it while working.

I have iPod ready Pioneer decks in my cars that I bought specifically because they are iPod ready. Sure I could use my 32GB or 64GB iPhones but I want all of my music with me when I am not at home. Nothing worse than thinking about a song and not sure if I have it on the phone.

I had to sell my old one back in January and I missed my dear friend!

Sapientia
Jun 19, 2012, 06:05 AM
My iPod classic didn't make it to the 1000th day without update =(