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Eevee

Jul 20, 2005, 06:50 PM

MacNut

Jul 20, 2005, 09:10 PM

This is big news for NBA fans. If he takes the job, he can potentially make the Knicks a great team again! I'm convinced. Look how he transformed the Detroit Pistons!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/basketball/nba/07/20/brown.knicks.ap/index.htmlThe difference is that Detroit had good players as the Knicks have nobody to work with. At best Brown will get 3 years. It will take at least that long to make the Knicks competitive again.

keysersoze

Jul 20, 2005, 09:54 PM

The difference is that Detroit had good players as the Knicks have nobody to work with. At best Brown will get 3 years. It will take at least that long to make the Knicks competitive again.

Brown will go 3 years, I bet, with the Knicks. He may get them to the playoffs at the end of his 'tenure,' but he won't get close to a championship. Sorry, Knicks fans. Gotta be realistic. The Knicks have been the Titanic.... bailing water and moving the deck chairs around for the past couple of years... no quick fix to that disaster.

Eevee

Jul 21, 2005, 12:25 PM

The difference is that Detroit had good players as the Knicks have nobody to work with. At best Brown will get 3 years. It will take at least that long to make the Knicks competitive again.

During those three years as Knicks coach, he could upgrade the team via trades and be competitive again (?).

Remember when he was the Clipper's coach. He made the team exciting to watch, and they made it to the first round of the playoffs.

We shall see if he does take the position, and if so, what happens next.

keysersoze, there is a way to fix the Knicks. They have too many overpaid players. Need to trade them away. :D

wrxguy

Jul 21, 2005, 12:32 PM

Hes a good coach but im skeptical...

Eevee

Jul 21, 2005, 12:35 PM

Hes a good coach but im skeptical...

Why? Almost every team he goes to, they got better. I guess I can understand your concerns since he recently has some health issues.

grapes911

Jul 21, 2005, 01:26 PM

Larry Brown is the whore of basketball. Every couple of years he finds a new city. He has no loyalty. Its a shame that such a great basketball mind can't stay in one place for a while.

mrzeve

Jul 21, 2005, 01:34 PM

3 years? Hahahahaha.

Your dealing with Isiah Thomas! 5 years, 55 million total at the least.

Eevee

Jul 21, 2005, 01:37 PM

Larry Brown is the whore of basketball. Every couple of years he finds a new city. He has no loyalty. Its a shame that such a great basketball mind can't stay in one place for a while.

Maybe it's not him who has no loyalty, but the team. I remember when he was the coach for the Clippers, he tried so hard to stand up for the team. But frustrated with management, he left. But maybe you're right, he's not loyal at all.

Eevee

Jul 21, 2005, 01:37 PM

3 years? Hahahahaha.

Your dealing with Isiah Thomas! 5 years, 55 million total at the least.

Nice!!!! Good point! :rolleyes:

jiv3turkey748

Jul 21, 2005, 02:46 PM

he would have to feel pretty stupid if he coaches the knicks after his wife said that he would never coach for the knicks

MacNut

Jul 21, 2005, 03:53 PM

3 years? Hahahahaha.

Your dealing with Isiah Thomas! 5 years, 55 million total at the least.I wonder if Brown can coexist with Isiah, Wanna bet that Thomas becomes the unofficial head coach 2 years into Brown's contract. :rolleyes:

Jay42

Jul 21, 2005, 04:09 PM

The question is no long "if" its "when".

Eevee

Jul 21, 2005, 05:29 PM

The question is no long "if" its "when".

Hopefully soon!!! Then he can start trading players.

grapes911

Jul 21, 2005, 05:32 PM

The question is no long "if" its "when".
Yep, When. When is he going to want to go to another team? Probably in two years.

mrzeve

Jul 21, 2005, 08:02 PM

I wonder if Brown can coexist with Isiah, Wanna bet that Thomas becomes the unofficial head coach 2 years into Brown's contract. :rolleyes:

Actually, I doubt Isiaih will still be with the Knicks by then.

Bibulous

Jul 21, 2005, 08:22 PM

maxterpiece

Jul 21, 2005, 08:56 PM

Larry Brown likes helping a team grow. He is not good at coaching a team once they have grown the maximum amount. He gets bored. It's just like Phil Jackson has (until taking the laker job for next year) only coached teams that have the superstar power to win a championship. He's the icing coach. The ego soother. This is why i don't blame brown for all the jumping around. He truly acts as a basketball father for his players. How else can you explain Allen Iverson's, 1) growth into a really EFFECTIVE and not just talented player 2)Outright respect for Brown. Remember how goody goody he was when he saw that brown was coaching the Olympic team? He said all the right things and played his heart out when he got there.

The Pistons on paper before brown arrived did not have a good team. They were coached by rick carlisle and he motivated them to playoff intensity during the season so they overachieved, but they always bombed in the postseason. Brown somehow transformed them into a championship team. He took them all the way. Now he wants a new challenge.

As far as the Knicks potential goes - I put them in the playoffs next year.

Marbury is in the same position as chauncey billups was in pre-brown (although even more talented). He is a great competitor with great skills, but he is too good of a scorer for his own good and therefore takes matters into his hands too often, putting off his teammates. Chauncey learned to take control only in the most clutch situations, and other than that just take what came to him.

As far as the rest of the team - they are younger, more athletic and have more size. Once the knicks waive Allan Houston (which it seems like they probably will) they will have only three players over the age of 30 - Jerome Williams, Malik Rose and Penny. Tim Thomas, Marbury and Mo Taylor are the only guys over 25. That's a really really really young team and I believe it makes for the youngest team in knick history. Isiah has brought in a lot of players who are young and have potential. He has put them around a guy in Stephon Marbury who has the potential to be a leader and is probably a top 10 talent in the NBA.

Here's the eastern conference playoff picture:

1)Indiana
2)Miami
3) New Jersey
4) Cleveland
5) Detroit
6) New York
7) Chicago
8) Milwaukee

The Nets vs Knicks rival will now be legit.

Bibulous

Jul 21, 2005, 09:12 PM

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maxterpiece

Jul 22, 2005, 02:10 AM

WOW...WOW...one more WOW...
The Pistons were the same team with Rick as when Larry came. They added RW with LB on board. The Pistons are a team first.

Eastern Conference:
1/2) Detroit or Miami, settle it on the court
3) Indiana
4) Cleveland
5+ it does not matter

Look for Detroit to battle both Miami and Indiana for the conference title.

(Side note, if LB was healthy all of last year, Detroit would have had the home court advantage in the finals. That MAY have made the difference. That LB could not guarantee that he would be able to coach all 82+ games next year was why he was fired. LB is old, good luck NYC)

I believe I also said that they were the same team pre and post brown's arrival. My point was that Brown was the difference. He kept a team full of 1 dimensional type players in their roles. He put chauncey taking the clutch shots, rasheed playing the post, Ben crashing boards, doing the D, Tayshaun guarding their top swingman and rip doing the rest of the halfcourt scoring (with rasheed). You disturb the delicate balance of egos here and people start stepping out of their roles and doing things that they aren't as good at. Detroit is a team who's success is based on gritty, focused, gut it out basketball and as you saw flashes early last season, without focus they can fall apart. Taking Larry Brown is going to mess up their focus and they are going to slip.

I think they will still compete sometimes during the season and during the playoffs. Seeding isn't an indication of how i feel a team will perform in the playoffs. It's just i think indiana is way too good. This is going ot be their year. Their two stars are in the primes of their career. They are deep. They have attitude. they have a solid coach. And most importantly, I believe their defense will be second to none.

Believe me, as a knicks fan it hurts me to say that indiana is good, but they are very good. The cavs need to pick up a few more role players, but donyell marshall is very underrated, and larry hughes is on the brink of stardom. I still see detroit winning that 4/5 matchup and then losing to indiana. I also see the knicks being swept by the nets in the first round again.

mrzeve

Jul 22, 2005, 02:34 PM

Is everyone forgetting about the Pistons picking up Sheed and McDyess?

Eevee

Jul 22, 2005, 03:24 PM

Is everyone forgetting about the Pistons picking up Sheed and McDyess?

What's your point? Pistons had them both last year.

maxterpiece , you are right about Brown. He will make a difference in the Knicks if he decides to join them and his health gets better.

maxterpiece

Jul 27, 2005, 08:55 AM

looks like the deal is done.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=2117492

Eevee

Jul 27, 2005, 05:02 PM

Now lets see if there will be any tradings for the new Larry Brown Knicks.

shane1

Jul 27, 2005, 06:09 PM

maxterpiece

Jul 27, 2005, 06:56 PM

To all of you misguided Knicks fans saying "we'll be great once we trade, we'll be greate once we trade!" please pull your head out... um.. of the sand. That teams if loaded with some pretty untradeable contracts. Go back and look at what each of those guys are making and get back to me with some realistic trades that work under the cap. The Knicks are still far from being competitive, don't kid yourself.

i don't think anyone is calling hte knicks good. You can be pretty bad and still make the playoffs. Any team that puts forth consistent effort and focus (except maybe the bobcats and the hawks) will make the playoffs in the eastern conference. With Larry Brown, the knicks should have this.

They'll be in the playoffs and they'll maybe win one game there.

Inspector Lee

Jul 27, 2005, 10:31 PM

Larry Brown is the whore of basketball. Every couple of years he finds a new city. He has no loyalty. Its a shame that such a great basketball mind can't stay in one place for a while.

He's a loaner Dottie, a rebel...

I'm from Motown and it was time for Brown to leave. He got the job done and now wants a new challenge. Joe Dee had to have known this could happen when he canned Carlisle 2 years ago.

But I think Brown is walking into a buzzsaw in New York. That team is saddled with salary cap woes and there ain't no end in sight. Why do you think Jackson went back to LA instead of coaching in the Big Apple where he played?

Inspector Lee

Jul 27, 2005, 10:36 PM

My point was that Brown was the difference.

He definitely put them over the hump and got them the title. It will be interesting to see how Sheed plays this year. I think Brown was a good influence on him. And that is something most people have forgotten about - how wild and unruly he was in Portland.

Sadly, the Knicks are in the salary cap sewer. It is kind of sad how far they have fallen since the early-mid 90s. I'm not 100% sold on what Zeke is doing over there...

Eevee

Jul 28, 2005, 01:40 PM

To all of you misguided Knicks fans saying "we'll be great once we trade, we'll be greate once we trade!" please pull your head out... um.. of the sand. That teams if loaded with some pretty untradeable contracts. Go back and look at what each of those guys are making and get back to me with some realistic trades that work under the cap. The Knicks are still far from being competitive, don't kid yourself.

I agree that the Knicks have players with outrageous contracts. But I still believe Brown and Thomas can trade players away. We shall see what happens during the next few weeks.

Eevee

Jul 28, 2005, 01:42 PM

He definitely put them over the hump and got them the title. It will be interesting to see how Sheed plays this year. I think Brown was a good influence on him. And that is something most people have forgotten about - how wild and unruly he was in Portland.

Yes, he helped the Pistons to get that tile two years ago. And indeed, it will be interesting to see how Rasheed Wallace plays this year under Flip Saunders instead of Larry Brown. This will be good test to see IF Larry Brown was one of the key factors of the Pistons success

Inspector Lee

Jul 28, 2005, 02:37 PM

Knicks Salary Situation (http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm)

Eevee

Jul 28, 2005, 03:56 PM

Knicks Salary Situation (http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm)

Yikes!!! That's awful...

roadapple

Jul 29, 2005, 11:23 PM

Allan Houston $19,125,000
Stephon Marbury $16,453,125
Anfernee Hardaway $15,750,000
Tim Thomas $13,975,000
Maurice Taylor $9,100,000
Shandon Anderson $6,733,000
Jamal Crawford $6,525,000
Quentin Richardson $6,300,00
Jerome Williams $6,075,000

good luck with that $100,000,000

maxterpiece

Aug 1, 2005, 12:47 AM

Eevee

Aug 1, 2005, 06:28 PM

maxterpiece

Aug 1, 2005, 06:44 PM

Read from Sports Illustrated that Larry Brown might move Stephon Marbury off the point guard position. Since Marbury is a shooter, that might not be a bad idea. Heard Brown in interested in getting Eric Snow from the Cavs to fill the point guard position. Cool :D

I hope not. Eric Snow is really bad. And old. I really like the idea of moving marbury to 2 guard. Herb did that a bit, having crawford play the point asn well as, whats his name - that guard they picked up from the CBA. I vote bring back frank williams.

Eevee

Aug 1, 2005, 06:50 PM

I hope not. Eric Snow is really bad. And old. I really like the idea of moving marbury to 2 guard. Herb did that a bit, having crawford play the point asn well as, whats his name - that guard they picked up from the CBA. I vote bring back frank williams.

Was Eric Snow that bad last year? Remember, Larry Brown's 76ers went to the finals a few years ago against the Lakers. And the point guard then was Eric Snow. Unless his performance dwindled, I believe he'll be okay. But maybe you're right, having Crawford or that other guy from CBA might be a better idea.

maxterpiece

Aug 1, 2005, 07:31 PM

Was Eric Snow that bad last year? Remember, Larry Brown's 76ers went to the finals a few years ago against the Lakers. And the point guard then was Eric Snow. Unless his performance dwindled, I believe he'll be okay. But maybe you're right, having Crawford or that other guy from CBA might be a better idea.

Eric snow is a larry brown point guard. He plays within himself. My problem is that he's, what, like 35? Why waste resources on a player who is pretty much over the hill when you have conceded that you are rebuilding. i'd rather have nate robinson at the point.