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MacRumors
Jul 18, 2012, 09:45 AM
http://images.macrumors.com/im/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/07/18/next-generation-iphone-with-lte-nfc-and-1-gb-ram-reportedly-still-in-engineering-testing/)


Disputing a report from last weekend (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/07/14/iphone-5-production-underway-for-an-expected-fall-launch/) claiming that Apple has begun production on the next-generation iPhone, BGR now claims (http://www.bgr.com/2012/07/18/iphone-5-release-4g-lte/) that the device is still in engineering testing and has yet to enter production.Apple goes through multiple stages before a product is manufactured, and two of these include the "engineering verification test" stage and the "design verification test" phase. Apple's sixth-generation iPhone is currently in the EVT3 stage, the third revision of the engineering test stage, and has not yet entered the DVT stage.http://images.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/07/white_iphone_2012_front.jpg


Claimed front panel (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/07/16/claimed-front-panel-of-white-next-generation-iphone-surfaces/) from next-generation white iPhone
The report also claims to have confirmed several hardware details on the forthcoming iPhone, including the unsurprising inclusion of LTE connectivity, a bump to 1 GB of RAM from the 512 MB found in the iPhone 4S, and near field communication (NFC) technology that could significantly enhance the utility (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/25/next-generation-iphone-prototypes-reportedly-support-nfc-for-mobile-payments/) of Apple's Passbook app for iOS 6 unveiled last month.

Article Link: Next-Generation iPhone with LTE, NFC, and 1 GB RAM Reportedly Still in Engineering Testing (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/07/18/next-generation-iphone-with-lte-nfc-and-1-gb-ram-reportedly-still-in-engineering-testing/)



spiderman0616
Jul 18, 2012, 09:46 AM
Does it need to be said? Yes.

SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!

Baklava
Jul 18, 2012, 09:48 AM
With every leaked iPhone 5 front-panel photo I somehow like the new wider design more and more. :)

jayhawk11
Jul 18, 2012, 09:48 AM
Does it seriously need to be said? BGR is almost as unreliable as Digitimes. They've consistently been wrong about everything in the past 18 months.

canyonblue737
Jul 18, 2012, 09:48 AM
BGR is, as always, clueless.

bedifferent
Jul 18, 2012, 09:48 AM
I don't know why I care so much, but NFC really has me excited.

I can see the next iPhone "controversy": "You're paying for it wrong".

Sorry, couldn't resist. :p

rosalindavenue
Jul 18, 2012, 09:48 AM
I upgraded to an iphone 4 the week it came out from Verizon. That was February 11. I didn't get a 4s. What is the thinking on a subsidized upgrade from Verizon on the iPhone 5? Will they make me wait to December/ February, or will they give me a subsidized upgrade at the time of release?

basesloaded190
Jul 18, 2012, 09:49 AM
So all these parts could very well still be "dummy" parts as Apple could be testing everything inside a normal looking iPhone

Mad Mac Maniac
Jul 18, 2012, 09:50 AM
LTE and 1GB I think are near certainties. Reports seem to indicate Apple is shying away from NFC, but I do hope it's included. It can be used for much more than just payments.

NikeTalk
Jul 18, 2012, 09:52 AM
Meh, still not better than the "you know what"...:D

tigress666
Jul 18, 2012, 09:53 AM
including the unsurprising inclusion of LTE connectivity, a bump to 1 GB of RAM from the 512 MB found in the iPhone 4S,


YES! Phone could use more RAM.

One Bad Duck
Jul 18, 2012, 09:53 AM
The concept of merging my travel card, keys, wallet, mp3 player, loyalty cards, calendar, address book is pretty cool. Imagine getting into your house/car with your phone....

adildacoolset
Jul 18, 2012, 09:54 AM
When tim cook said he was "doubling down" on security, it means he may have been cracking down on sources of leaks. What better way than this? In the interview, he said that there's ONE screen size and ONE aspect ratio.

So either it's tim cook who is trolling us, or the suppliers trolling tim cook by showing that they can leak when they want to.

If it's the latter, I sure hope that this article is right and revise the aspect ratio.

bedifferent
Jul 18, 2012, 09:54 AM
So all these parts could very well still be "dummy" parts as Apple could be testing everything inside a normal looking iPhone

I believe that's what Apple has done in the past, placed new iPhone "guts" into current casings for certain Cupertino employees to test, no? Could be wrong.

I remember the two incidents in which iPhone's were left in public places, last years being in a bar but the iPhone shell was current while the parts differed (this was [supposedly] when a complete redesign was in the works but shelved due to battery issues with LTE/GSM/CDMA chips and hardware leaving the backup 4S as a last ditch release).

KPOM
Jul 18, 2012, 09:54 AM
LTE and 1GB I think are near certainties. Reports seem to indicate Apple is shying away from NFC, but I do hope it's included. It can be used for much more than just payments.

Agreed. "Always On" on CNet showed a very useful video last week of how to use tags to automatically change settings on a phone when you are in a car, at the office, etc.

Puevlo
Jul 18, 2012, 09:54 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if they actually reduced the RAM to 256 MB in order to increase the battery life.

Big-TDI-Guy
Jul 18, 2012, 09:54 AM
With NFC, Apple will literally allow you to shut up, while they take your money. ;)

monkor
Jul 18, 2012, 09:55 AM
The LTE and NFC are long overdue, but that should be a nice addition. The 4 inch screen, even though I'm not completely sold that I'll like more height on the phone, should also look good. But 1 GB of RAM? If this report is true, that's just not enough and it's behind industry standard. My 4S gets bogged down if I don't close out apps (which I don't want to ever have to worry about). If these reports are true, I'm not convinced this phone is going to be a significant enough upgrade for me to not switch over to an Android 4.1 phone. I mean, a new Nexus is due in November; if this comes out in October then I'm just going to wait. Guaranteed updates and guaranteed better specs

Chumburro2U
Jul 18, 2012, 09:55 AM
What happened to the down vote button?:confused:

bedifferent
Jul 18, 2012, 09:55 AM
The concept of merging my travel card, keys, wallet, mp3 player, loyalty cards, calendar, address book is pretty cool. Imagine getting into your house/car with your phone....

Would be fantastic, and it is a very secure tech. Time Warner and other company's use app's with their installed hardware for home security, would be nice to see this all incorporated.

dwman
Jul 18, 2012, 09:57 AM
My contract for my iPhone 4 ends next Saturday. October can't get here soon enough. Eager to ride the speedy 4G's. :D

Mad Mac Maniac
Jul 18, 2012, 10:00 AM
What happened to the down vote button?:confused:

I wonder how much longer we're going to be seeing posts like this...

anti-microsoft
Jul 18, 2012, 10:01 AM
I am guessing that the metal on the back is there for a reason, NFC. It makes sense, combined with Passbook, NFC will be the defining feature of the new iPhone.

goodcow
Jul 18, 2012, 10:02 AM
1GB of RAM would be weak, they should just suck it up and include 2GB.

jasonxneo
Jul 18, 2012, 10:04 AM
1GB of RAM would be weak, they should just suck it up and include 2GB.

2gb of RAM is for the iphone 5s :p

NikeTalk
Jul 18, 2012, 10:05 AM
Apple must have some kind of super battery in the works cause they're gonna need it.

Diode
Jul 18, 2012, 10:05 AM
Nice - can't wait!

Unfortunately I have a feeling that AT&T will require their fancy, more expensive tiered packages for all of the fun new features though.....

Captain B
Jul 18, 2012, 10:06 AM
Regardless of the accuracy of this report. (cough! Bgr). I am very impressed by the amount of time, engineering testing and thought Apple puts into these products.

True, the iPhone is an immense portion of their business and dependent on it, but the amount of time they work on it and the number of iterations they must make before production begins is impressive.

ayala421
Jul 18, 2012, 10:07 AM
At this point with all these ********* rumors and what not...I think its safe to say that no one knows anything about what the next iPhone will actually be.

ModestForumName
Jul 18, 2012, 10:07 AM
The concept of merging my travel card, keys, wallet, mp3 player, loyalty cards, calendar, address book is pretty cool. Imagine getting into your house/car with your phone....

I read that as "getting into your housecarl..."

SpectatorHere
Jul 18, 2012, 10:09 AM
When tim cook said he was "doubling down" on security, it means he may have been cracking down on sources of leaks. What better way than this? In the interview, he said that there's ONE screen size and ONE aspect ratio.

So either it's tim cook who is trolling us, or the suppliers trolling tim cook by showing that they can leak when they want to.

If it's the latter, I sure hope that this article is right and revise the aspect ratio.

But the blurry photos that mirrored rumor site speculation is some how more believable for some reason. Even when it's ana idea that makes for an ugly phone and would create fragmentation for developers, people see pictures and they declare it official. After what happened last year with the tear drop phone it's surprising how credulous people are/

bharatgupta
Jul 18, 2012, 10:12 AM
so this means october it is, i can wait, dont dissapoint me:apple:

cube
Jul 18, 2012, 10:13 AM
There are already Android phones with 2GiB RAM, even if ICS was developed with 1GiB in mind.

Mad Mac Maniac
Jul 18, 2012, 10:15 AM
The concept of merging my travel card, keys, wallet, mp3 player, loyalty cards, calendar, address book is pretty cool. Imagine getting into your house/car with your phone....

Definitely. Unfortunately I think it will still be quite some time before the smartphone becomes the ONLY thing you need on your person. Be we are seeing the beginnings for sure.

There already is a special door lock you can install on your house which can be unlocked when you walk up to it with your smartphone. I saw it on shark tank. And of course there is remote start for cars from smartphones. So keys will be on the way out soon.

I think one of the last thing will be ID cards. Once smartphones can be a legitimate form of ID/drivers license, I think wallets will slowly become extinct.

iEvolution
Jul 18, 2012, 10:18 AM
This was the year I got my ipad, looks like it may be the year I get the iphone too since I'm in between contracts.

fertilized-egg
Jul 18, 2012, 10:19 AM
BGR notwithstanding, all in all it sounds pretty reasonable. I'm more curious about what processor they are using and if the screen has gotten the saturation boost but guess we'll have to see.


I don't know why I care so much, but NFC really has me excited.

I can see the next iPhone "controversy": "You're paying for it wrong".

Sorry, couldn't resist. :p

I wonder what narrative they'll use the NFC for during the product introduction.

Speaking of the "holding it wrong", I think that's a prime example of what journalists' paraphrasing can do to you. Jobs' actual phrase, "avoid holding it that way", to me sounds pretty reasonable and non-accusatory but "you're holding it wrong" feels so much more negative.

Besides most phone manuals already tell you to avoid holding the phone in some ways. Here's one from the Galaxy S3 manual that tells you "hold it so that you don't cover the bottom part with the antenna" and "you must only use a finger to manipulate the device"

http://i47.tinypic.com/2lktnns.png

Obviously iPhone 4 had a weakness with a conductive antenna, but it just felt odd to watch the whole event escalate from there. I suspect if Jobs didn't reply to that email, the thing would've just died down.

bboucher790
Jul 18, 2012, 10:21 AM
People need to stop complaining about RAM.

The "needed" amount of RAM is heavily dependent on the OS you're running. You can't compare iOS to Android.

Apple always tweaks their OS's (OSX anyone?) to provide a good experience with less RAM, compared to their competition (Windows). This allows for higher profit margins, and the ability to offer their customers a good experience. Smart move, if you ask me.

Simply put, an iPhone 5 w/ 1GB RAM could run as well, or faster, than an Android phone with 2GB RAM.

Just look at the Galaxy S3's International version vs US version. International: 1GB RAM / Quad Core processor vs US: 2GB RAM / Dual Core processor. They both run buttery smooth.

Dionte
Jul 18, 2012, 10:21 AM
1GB of RAM would be weak, they should just suck it up and include 2GB.

Every time I see a Samsung Galaxy S III with that 2 gigs of ram I get excited.
I'll be happy with a iPhone with 1 gig though, it's better than 512. But next year Samsung may take me away with the Galaxy S IV. This next iPhone with be my 5th, they are starting to get boring with the same app launching screens.

iEvolution
Jul 18, 2012, 10:23 AM
There are already Android phones with 2GiB RAM, even if ICS was developed with 1GiB in mind.

Apples and oranges (no phun intended), you should know by now apple doesnt play the spec game, after all we still have a dual core ipad where the competition is getting quad cores.

Besides I fail to see the need for 2gb of ram when smart phones are such poor multitaskers.

JForestZ34
Jul 18, 2012, 10:24 AM
Get ready for it!!!!!! Everyone who was fighting tool and nail about how a bigger screen would be terrible are starting to eat crow now. How they are saying its a mistake. Now watch how many say this is the best looking iPhone ever. Lol


James

adildacoolset
Jul 18, 2012, 10:26 AM
But the blurry photos that mirrored rumor site speculation is some how more believable for some reason. Even when it's ana idea that makes for an ugly phone and would create fragmentation for developers, people see pictures and they declare it official. After what happened last year with the tear drop phone it's surprising how credulous people are/

Here is what I spotted from one of those pictures:
- The font was wrong in which it said iphone
- There was no marking as to its size. It'd have said "XXGB" on a prototype. Nothing there
- Some images showed a hole between the camera and flash, while others didn't.

cube
Jul 18, 2012, 10:26 AM
People need to stop complaining about RAM.

The "needed" amount of RAM is heavily dependent on the OS you're running. You can't compare iOS to Android.

Apple always tweaks their OS's (OSX anyone?) to provide a good experience with less RAM, compared to their competition (Windows). This allows for higher profit margins, and the ability to offer their customers a good experience. Smart move, if you ask me.

Simply put, an iPhone 5 w/ 1GB RAM could run as well, or faster, than an Android phone with 2GB RAM.

Just look at the Galaxy S3's International version vs US version. International: 1GB RAM / Quad Core processor vs US: 2GB RAM / Dual Core processor. They both run buttery smooth.

Apple has already demonstrated that they would put too little RAM in iOS devices.

The iPad 1 came out with a pathetic 256MB of RAM and now won't get iOS 6.

It is unacceptable that one would spend 1K in a device only to see it obsoleted in just 2 years.

charlieegan3
Jul 18, 2012, 10:27 AM
What happened to the down vote button?:confused:

Been gone for quite a while now.

DrMotownMac
Jul 18, 2012, 10:28 AM
The concept of merging my travel card, keys, wallet, mp3 player, loyalty cards, calendar, address book is pretty cool. Imagine getting into your house/car with your phone....

I am TOTALLY with you on that! Knowing the capabilities of the iPhone and knowing what NFC technology can do, why do we even NEED keys and wallets?!?!? Right now, I carry my keys in one pocket, my wallet in another pocket and my iPhone in a third pocket. Wouldn't it be great to just consolidate all of that down to one pocket and one thing to carry??? Who wouldn't want that? Being able to unlock your car, house, office, whatever, with just being near the lock?!? Being able to purchase things or use loyalty cards just by swiping?

How about being able to show your iPhone to a police officer when you get pulled over for speeding (not that it ever happens to me)? Would you be able to put your driver's license/ID, registration and insurance into the phone? Is there really a future out there where wallets and keys become unnecessary the way watches are today? I would LOVE it!!!!!

jhende7
Jul 18, 2012, 10:29 AM
Every time I see a Samsung Galaxy S III with that 2 gigs of ram I get excited.
I'll be happy with a iPhone with 1 gig though, it's better than 512. But next year Samsung may take me away with the Galaxy S IV. This next iPhone with be my 5th, they are starting to get boring with the same app launching screens.

Or to phrase it differently "I get excited by meaningless numbers and specs" and
"I like shiny (but impractical) things!"

DrMotownMac
Jul 18, 2012, 10:32 AM
...(lots of gushing stuff about how I'm one of those crazy apple fanboys).... I would LOVE it!!!!!

In other words....

cube
Jul 18, 2012, 10:32 AM
Apples and oranges (no phun intended), you should know by now apple doesnt play the spec game, after all we still have a dual core ipad where the competition is getting quad cores.

Besides I fail to see the need for 2gb of ram when smart phones are such poor multitaskers.

I know by now Apple puts too little RAM in iOS devices as I bought an iPad 1.

GREEN4U
Jul 18, 2012, 10:32 AM
The iPad 1 came out with a pathetic 256MB of RAM and now won't get iOS 6.

It is unacceptable that one would spend 1K in a device only to see it obsoleted in just 2 years.

You spent $1000 on an iPad 1?

skellener
Jul 18, 2012, 10:33 AM
I don't care what the screen size is, if NFC is included, how much RAM it has....just make sure it's LTE and get me the heck off of AT&T's crummy 3G network!!! Three years is enough. New slogan..."Anyone but AT&T"!!

alex2792
Jul 18, 2012, 10:35 AM
Just 1gb ram? Galaxy s3 ships with 2.stop being cheap apple!

AZREOSpecialist
Jul 18, 2012, 10:37 AM
Oh good, so there's still time to stop this design travesty from being produced...

lilo777
Jul 18, 2012, 10:37 AM
The concept of merging my travel card, keys, wallet, mp3 player, loyalty cards, calendar, address book is pretty cool. Imagine getting into your house/car with your phone....

Are you still carrying your paper calendar and address book with you? Cool.

cube
Jul 18, 2012, 10:38 AM
You spent $1000 on an iPad 1?

That's what the top model cost.

It's not a bad price. Other countries have it REALLY bad.

slrandall
Jul 18, 2012, 10:38 AM
I wonder how much longer we're going to be seeing posts like this...

Probably until it comes back.

bad03xtreme
Jul 18, 2012, 10:38 AM
The stretched 4S is still ugly.

cube
Jul 18, 2012, 10:39 AM
Just 1gb ram? Galaxy s3 ships with 2.stop being cheap apple!

It doesn't have 2GiB everywhere.

LG was the first with 2GiB.

Woodcrest64
Jul 18, 2012, 10:41 AM
2gb of RAM is for the iphone 5s :p

So true. apple is very incremental with specs on the iPhone. I chose the Samsung S2 LTE instead over the iPhone 4s because to me it was not a huge leap over the iPhone 4. I also got tired of iOS rows of icons . I still recommend the iPhone for anyone getting into the smartphone world due to its amazing support.

lilo777
Jul 18, 2012, 10:42 AM
It doesn't have 2GiB everywhere.

LG was the first with 2GiB.

And Apple - as usual - will be the last one.

Big-TDI-Guy
Jul 18, 2012, 10:45 AM
To those who are super excited to have everything within one device... it's convenient, until you drop your phone into some water, and can't call for help, access your car, summon a locksmith, pay for a ride home, or prove who you are.

Someone stealing your phone, having access to not just your ID and contacts, but house, car, accounts, ect...

I'm all for the future, but until there is some safe (proven) security, and redundancy in case of the unforeseen, I will gladly lug around my wallet, car and house keys.

BigHonkingDeal
Jul 18, 2012, 10:50 AM
How about being able to show your iPhone to a police officer when you get pulled over for speeding (not that it ever happens to me)? Would you be able to put your driver's license/ID, registration and insurance into the phone? Is there really a future out there where wallets and keys become unnecessary the way watches are today? I would LOVE it!!!!!

And pay the ticket with the phone at the same time....!

Glideslope
Jul 18, 2012, 10:52 AM
I don't know why I care so much, but NFC really has me excited.

I can see the next iPhone "controversy": "You're paying for it wrong".

Sorry, couldn't resist. :p

You like having your "Pocket Picked"

cvaldes
Jul 18, 2012, 10:56 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if they actually reduced the RAM to 256 MB in order to increase the battery life.
The RAM doesn't consume that much power. The biggest battery drains are the display, CPU, cellular telephony chip (particularly in 3G or 4G mode), and GPU.

You can increase battery life quite a bit by simply dimming the screen backlight. You can save even more by turning off cellular data and using WiFi instead. Just use any of the battery monitoring apps and you'll see that Internet via WiFi provides additional hours of usage versus 3G cellular data.

Note that Apple has underclocked iPhone and iPod touch CPUs in the past to reduce battery consumption.

ThatsMeRight
Jul 18, 2012, 10:58 AM
Apples and oranges (no phun intended), you should know by now apple doesnt play the spec game, after all we still have a dual core ipad where the competition is getting quad cores.

Besides I fail to see the need for 2gb of ram when smart phones are such poor multitaskers.

Apple doesn't play the spec game? You're so wrong. They act as if they don't, but they really do play the spec game. Before the iPad 2, there was - if I remember correctly - only one (or two) tablet with a dual core processor. iPad 2 was the first mass produced tablet with a dual core processor.

Remember iPhone 4? A4 processor: new architecture, higher clock speeds. Retina display with a high pixel density and IPS technology.

iPad 2, iPad 3 and iPhone 4S all saw an immense push GPU-wise: they were able to offer GPU performance which the competition couldn't deliver - even if they wanted to.

Apple is very much playing the spec game: they act as of they aren't playing the game.

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The RAM doesn't consume that much power. The biggest battery drains are the display, CPU, cellular telephony chip (particularly in 3G or 4G mode), and GPU.

You can increase battery life quite a bit by simply dimming the screen backlight. You can save even more by turning off cellular data and using WiFi instead. Just use any of the battery monitoring apps and you'll see that Internet via WiFi provides additional hours of usage versus 3G cellular data.

Note that Apple has underclocked iPhone and iPod touch CPUs in the past to reduce battery consumption.
RAM does actually consume quite a lot of power. RAM is powered constantly. If it isn't powered, it won't save anything that's stored.

http://www.itproportal.com/2011/10/13/microsoft-iphone-4s-ipad-2-less-ram-prolong-battery-life/

justperry
Jul 18, 2012, 10:58 AM
To those who are super excited to have everything within one device... it's convenient, until you drop your phone into some water, and can't call for help, access your car, summon a locksmith, pay for a ride home, or prove who you are.

Someone stealing your phone, having access to not just your ID and contacts, but house, car, accounts, ect...

I'm all for the future, but until there is some safe (proven) security, and redundancy in case of the unforeseen, I will gladly lug around my wallet, car and house keys.

In a program on Tv a couple of years ago I saw I guy being injected with a chip, then they showed him going into a bar, ordered a drink and got scanned, paid his bill after having a few more beers and scanned again.(Amsterdam)

My point is that it should be possible to put a tag on a human and if you loose your phone you could still be able to ID yourself and even pay the bill.
But, is this is what people want, not me, that's one thing for sure.


Edit: Inject a NFC chip in your hand and pair it with the iphone, that way it does certain things while it's held only by it's owner.

MonkeySee....
Jul 18, 2012, 10:59 AM
Are you still carrying your paper calendar and address book with you? Cool.

The image you just put in my head of someone carrying around a wall calender has made my day. :D

gta50419
Jul 18, 2012, 11:02 AM
The concept of merging my travel card, keys, wallet, mp3 player, loyalty cards, calendar, address book is pretty cool. Imagine getting into your house/car with your phone....

Yeah until someone steal your phone,hack it, & Steal everything you own. You really gonna trust your phone to get into your home, car , and bank accounts?

Boy we really need that neg button back....

esp211
Jul 18, 2012, 11:04 AM
Apple does care about specs when it suits them IMO. Honestly, I haven't seen my iPhone 4 slowing down for any reason and I play a lot of games on it. As long as the hardware is able to handle anything you are doing, does it really matter how much RAM it has?

bboucher790
Jul 18, 2012, 11:05 AM
Apple has already demonstrated that they would put too little RAM in iOS devices.

The iPad 1 came out with a pathetic 256MB of RAM and now won't get iOS 6.

It is unacceptable that one would spend 1K in a device only to see it obsoleted in just 2 years.

While I understand your frustration about the iPad getting short changed (and completely agree), your logic is flawed.

A good example is the Galaxy S3. The S3 may never receive an OS upgrade. Samsung (and a few other companies) make their products "obsolete" the day they come out. There's no guarantee the S3 will get 4.1 Jelly Bean, which is something Apple would never allow to happen.

Secondly, The 3GS has 256mb RAM and it will get iOS 6. The iPad runs as smooth as it ever did on iOS 5. It's still a worthwhile tablet.

The year the iPad came out, it was much faster than any Android tablet I used, regardless of how much RAM other tablets had. It's about hardware and software being optimized for each other, not about specs.

Mad-B-One
Jul 18, 2012, 11:06 AM
With every leaked iPhone 5 front-panel photo I somehow like the new wider design more and more. :)

Now I wonder. If said production of the display assembly is changed to the slimmer format, does that mean they are actually fused to the display - hence can there be a leak of a clear front pannel? I am by far no way familiar with it, but my understanding was that the display gets a shrink in thickness and is fused to the front pannel. If so, whare are the leaks from if the part cannot exist alone? Or is the front pannel still seprate but the screen underneath is thinner? Anyone? :confused:

gto55
Jul 18, 2012, 11:11 AM
Having tested the Galaxy S3 with its rounded back, it appears to be very pleasant, there are some quite similar iPhone concepts and that ultimately, imho, prove to be more sympathetic than those reported in the press.

And what about the processor?
Will Apple get rid of the ARM A9 (A5, A5X etc...) and release an A6 based on the new generation of cortex A15 (Samsung expects to produce them from this year http:// www.samsung.com/global/business/ og_13.html ... and possibly include them in the galaxy NOTE 2 http://ubuntulife.net/samsung-galaxy-note-2-release-date/)

baryon
Jul 18, 2012, 11:12 AM
So basically it will be a phone that will have more processing power, graphics capabilities, resolution and RAM than an average computer from a few years ago. That's a bit scary!

juannacho
Jul 18, 2012, 11:13 AM
What happened to the down vote button?:confused:

I think they got rid of it to try to alleviate the soul-crushing weight of smug, empowered negativity that it gave to users.

I could be wrong though.

Macclone
Jul 18, 2012, 11:14 AM
I wonder how much longer we're going to be seeing posts like this...

As long as people post nonsense, the question will be raised. I other words, it won't stop.

SpyderBite
Jul 18, 2012, 11:18 AM
Get ready for it!!!!!! Everyone who was fighting tool and nail about how a bigger screen would be terrible are starting to eat crow now. How they are saying its a mistake. Now watch how many say this is the best looking iPhone ever. Lol


James

I just upgraded to a 4s just in case the bigger screen rumors turn out to be true. No teeth or nails damaged in the process.

Zunjine
Jul 18, 2012, 11:19 AM
While I don't tend to like too much downvoting I think there is a need for it in some cases - if only to be able to downvote the trolls. How about this for a workaround?

Quote the original post and add the words: downvote post. Then, anyone who wanted to downvote the original can just up vote yours and we can at least see if most people thought it was stoopid!

... now I'm wondering if I'm going to be the first victim...

cube
Jul 18, 2012, 11:19 AM
While I understand your frustration about the iPad getting short changed (and completely agree), your logic is flawed.

A good example is the Galaxy S3. The S3 may never receive an OS upgrade. Samsung (and a few other companies) make their products "obsolete" the day they come out. There's no guarantee the S3 will get 4.1 Jelly Bean, which is something Apple would never allow to happen.

Secondly, The 3GS has 256mb RAM and it will get iOS 6. The iPad runs as smooth as it ever did on iOS 5. It's still a worthwhile tablet.

The year the iPad came out, it was much faster than any Android tablet I used, regardless of how much RAM other tablets had. It's about hardware and software being optimized for each other, not about specs.

The iPad 1 showed its RAM weakness not long after I bought it.

IJBrekke
Jul 18, 2012, 11:22 AM
I upgraded to an iphone 4 the week it came out from Verizon. That was February 11. I didn't get a 4s. What is the thinking on a subsidized upgrade from Verizon on the iPhone 5? Will they make me wait to December/ February, or will they give me a subsidized upgrade at the time of release?

Verizon allows you to upgrade after 20 months, so October should be perfect for you.

Boatboy24
Jul 18, 2012, 11:23 AM
The concept of merging my travel card, keys, wallet, mp3 player, loyalty cards, calendar, address book is pretty cool. Imagine getting into your house/car with your phone....

It's very cool. But also imagine losing your phone... :D

timber
Jul 18, 2012, 11:26 AM
Looking at the past Apple will just launch an iP4s with a new case/screen and some small Mhz, LTE, or similar improvements.

Apple could of course surprise us (I doubt it).

For those who care about specs the next iPhone should be the one to look after

GenesisST
Jul 18, 2012, 11:29 AM
The concept of merging my travel card, keys, wallet, mp3 player, loyalty cards, calendar, address book is pretty cool. Imagine getting into your house/car with your phone....

Imagine losing your phone... :-S

EDIT: I was beaten to it by Boatboy24

robertnq
Jul 18, 2012, 11:31 AM
I upgraded to an iphone 4 the week it came out from Verizon. That was February 11. I didn't get a 4s. What is the thinking on a subsidized upgrade from Verizon on the iPhone 5? Will they make me wait to December/ February, or will they give me a subsidized upgrade at the time of release?

I have verizon and done the same as you. Check your acct upgrade date, mine is Oct 7, 2012. I did sign a new contract the day i got the iPhone 4.

bedifferent
Jul 18, 2012, 11:33 AM
You like having your "Pocket Picked"

What does that? :o

Do you mean NFC isn't secure? (and I'm honestly asking) :)

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Speaking of the "holding it wrong", I think that's a prime example of what journalists' paraphrasing can do to you. Jobs' actual phrase, "avoid holding it that way", to me sounds pretty reasonable and non-accusatory but "you're holding it wrong" feels so much more negative.

Agree. The whole thing was a media "scandal" over a silly phone. I still love "Antennae-Gate" though, such fun times :p

vartanarsen
Jul 18, 2012, 11:35 AM
NFC and LTE is good.....but will it blend?

Sedrick
Jul 18, 2012, 11:40 AM
To those who are super excited to have everything within one device... it's convenient, until you drop your phone into some water, and can't call for help, access your car, summon a locksmith, pay for a ride home, or prove who you are.

Someone stealing your phone, having access to not just your ID and contacts, but house, car, accounts, ect...

I'm all for the future, but until there is some safe (proven) security, and redundancy in case of the unforeseen, I will gladly lug around my wallet, car and house keys.
Wise words my friend. Add in being miles away from anywhere, you have an accident or your car breaks down and your phone battery dies.

Occasional purchase at the store is one thing, but let's not get carried away.

Putting all your eggs in one electronic basket is just crazy talk.

Woodcrest64
Jul 18, 2012, 11:45 AM
While I understand your frustration about the iPad getting short changed (and completely agree), your logic is flawed.

A good example is the Galaxy S3. The S3 may never receive an OS upgrade. Samsung (and a few other companies) make their products "obsolete" the day they come out. There's no guarantee the S3 will get 4.1 Jelly Bean, which is something Apple would never allow to happen.

Secondly, The 3GS has 256mb RAM and it will get iOS 6. The iPad runs as smooth as it ever did on iOS 5. It's still a worthwhile tablet.

The year the iPad came out, it was much faster than any Android tablet I used, regardless of how much RAM other tablets had. It's about hardware and software being optimized for each other, not about specs.


Agreed! I love my Galaxy S2 LTE but having to wait 4 months or longer for a just released OS update is silly. My next phone will be a nexus based one.

piecloud
Jul 18, 2012, 11:53 AM
It's very cool. But also imagine losing your phone... :D

Much better than losing my wallet. I can disable everything in one click, and restore it in a new phone within minutes. If you have a passcode, it'll be even more secure. You also have chance of locating it with Find My iPhone. Try doing that with your current wallet. Imagine all the banks and credit card accounts have to call and cancel. Getting all the loyalty cards etc...,

xsdeus
Jul 18, 2012, 11:58 AM
2gb of RAM is for the iphone 5s :p

It wouldn't surprise me if the iPhone 5 is released with 768MB of RAM, leaving 1GB of RAM for the next iteration. For iOS 6, 768MB should be more than enough for majority of the users.

Hastings101
Jul 18, 2012, 12:02 PM
does it need to be said? Yes.

Shut up and take my money!

-1, need a new catchphrase


Something like ....but will it blend? would be much better.

manu chao
Jul 18, 2012, 12:21 PM
Apple always tweaks their OS's (OSX anyone?) to provide a good experience with less RAM.
I've heard this from a credible source (somebody like John Siracusa of Arstechnica) as well: when compiling OS X the optimisation is set for minimum size not maximum speed. Because in a I/O (and RAM) restricted world, smaller size actually means faster.

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That's what the top model cost.

It's not a bad price. Other countries have it REALLY bad.
Weren't the prices like:

16 GB $499, 16 GB + 3G $529
32 GB $599, 16 GB + 3G $629
64 GB $699, 16 GB + 3G $729

Of course, these are the US prices without tax. But adding 25% VAT (which is pretty much the highest rate worldwide with only two exceptions), this translates into $911. Unless you live in a country with high custom duties or generally very high costs of doing business, it it is rather difficult to get to $1000.

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Apple doesn't play the spec game? You're so wrong. They act as if they don't, but they really do play the spec game. Before the iPad 2, there was - if I remember correctly - only one (or two) tablet with a dual core processor. iPad 2 was the first mass produced tablet with a dual core processor.

Remember iPhone 4? A4 processor: new architecture, higher clock speeds. Retina display with a high pixel density and IPS technology.

iPad 2, iPad 3 and iPhone 4S all saw an immense push GPU-wise: they were able to offer GPU performance which the competition couldn't deliver - even if they wanted to.

Apple is very much playing the spec game: they act as of they aren't playing the game.[COLOR="#808080"]

They play the performance game, not the spec game. They tout technical advantages if they bring clear performance benefits to the user, they don't tout technical improvements that only bring small performance improvements (*). So, of course, they will advertise the retina screen because it is clear and obvious improvement for the user.

(*) You might argue about the 8 MP vs. 5 MP camera of the 4s. But the camera had other clear improvements beyond the MP, ie, low light performance. And MP is a spec you cannot hide (as is storage size), thus not mentioning it would not really take it out of the overall marketing message.

KdParker
Jul 18, 2012, 12:35 PM
I upgraded to an iphone 4 the week it came out from Verizon. That was February 11. I didn't get a 4s. What is the thinking on a subsidized upgrade from Verizon on the iPhone 5? Will they make me wait to December/ February, or will they give me a subsidized upgrade at the time of release?

time of release.

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There are already Android phones with 2GiB RAM, even if ICS was developed with 1GiB in mind.

And????Why does that matter?

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To those who are super excited to have everything within one device... it's convenient, until you drop your phone into some water, and can't call for help, access your car, summon a locksmith, pay for a ride home, or prove who you are.

Someone stealing your phone, having access to not just your ID and contacts, but house, car, accounts, ect...

I'm all for the future, but until there is some safe (proven) security, and redundancy in case of the unforeseen, I will gladly lug around my wallet, car and house keys.

how about eye scans and finger prints for access?
Lets just skip the carrying this data in your phone.

Allenbf
Jul 18, 2012, 12:44 PM
Definitely. Unfortunately I think it will still be quite some time before the smartphone becomes the ONLY thing you need on your person. Be we are seeing the beginnings for sure.

There already is a special door lock you can install on your house which can be unlocked when you walk up to it with your smartphone. I saw it on shark tank. And of course there is remote start for cars from smartphones. So keys will be on the way out soon.

I think one of the last thing will be ID cards. Once smartphones can be a legitimate form of ID/drivers license, I think wallets will slowly become extinct.

This is the only part I can't wrap my head around. I just can't see gov't moving over to something like this, so I think we'll always need a wallet for ID/DL. Unless my grandmother is correct and everyone is required to get microchipped, :eek:

duckyforlife
Jul 18, 2012, 12:47 PM
The concept of merging my travel card, keys, wallet, mp3 player, loyalty cards, calendar, address book is pretty cool. Imagine getting into your house/car with your phone....

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/onstar-remotelink/id393584149?mt=8

I am not saying Apple shouldn't do this great idea, but you do realize there is such technology that already exists, don't you? I also don't know if I like the idea of having my phone be in charge of my travel card (would that be my passport?)

Still cool idea, nonetheless!

Premonition
Jul 18, 2012, 12:48 PM
And Apple - as usual - will be the last one.

Actually I think Apple will get there before RIM

cube
Jul 18, 2012, 12:56 PM
Weren't the prices like:

16 GB $499, 16 GB + 3G $529
32 GB $599, 16 GB + 3G $629
64 GB $699, 16 GB + 3G $729

Of course, these are the US prices without tax. But adding 25% VAT (which is pretty much the highest rate worldwide with only two exceptions), this translates into $911. Unless you live in a country with high custom duties or generally very high costs of doing business, it it is rather difficult to get to $1000.

Maybe it was $900 when I bought because of the exchange rate fluctuations, but not less.

There are countries which have less than 25% VAT but high duties. You would pay around $2000 for that iPad there.

andyx3x
Jul 18, 2012, 01:01 PM
I upgraded to an iphone 4 the week it came out from Verizon. That was February 11. I didn't get a 4s. What is the thinking on a subsidized upgrade from Verizon on the iPhone 5? Will they make me wait to December/ February, or will they give me a subsidized upgrade at the time of release?

Verizon can give you the exact date they'll let you upgrade. I would call them.

DrMotownMac
Jul 18, 2012, 01:02 PM
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/onstar-remotelink/id393584149?mt=8

I am not saying Apple shouldn't do this great idea, but you do realize there is such technology that already exists, don't you?

Um, and pay the monthly OnStar fee for the service? Just in case I get into an accident where I can't reach my cell phone (like in their commercials -- the only real use for the service)? No thank you. I'll wait for Apple to come out with NFC technology and an app which doesn't require a ridiculous monthly fee forever.

yanki01
Jul 18, 2012, 01:05 PM
it all sounds good, but will it look good?

cube
Jul 18, 2012, 01:06 PM
Maybe it was $900 when I bought because of the exchange rate fluctuations, but not less.

There are countries which have less than 25% VAT but high duties. You would pay around $2000 for that iPad there.

Apple also does not sell at exchange rate + tax in other countries, they always add some percentage for themselves.

andyx3x
Jul 18, 2012, 01:09 PM
A good example is the Galaxy S3. The S3 may never receive an OS upgrade.

Now this is just nonsense.

NYCMacFan
Jul 18, 2012, 01:13 PM
The LTE and NFC are long overdue, but that should be a nice addition. The 4 inch screen, even though I'm not completely sold that I'll like more height on the phone, should also look good. But 1 GB of RAM? If this report is true, that's just not enough and it's behind industry standard. My 4S gets bogged down if I don't close out apps (which I don't want to ever have to worry about). If these reports are true, I'm not convinced this phone is going to be a significant enough upgrade for me to not switch over to an Android 4.1 phone. I mean, a new Nexus is due in November; if this comes out in October then I'm just going to wait. Guaranteed updates and guaranteed better specs

Still prefer Apple OS, but have same concern. Especially on Screen. Most of the time we hold phones vertically. So this extra space is completely useless to me. I really want say a 4.3 screen that is wider like Nexus or Samsung S3. Was let down by 4S. Let down on this as well. Really annoying if I have to go Android as I also use an ipad, mac laptop and desktop. But these reports on iPhone 5 are real let down for me.

mdelvecchio
Jul 18, 2012, 01:25 PM
The LTE and NFC are long overdue

riiight. i dont know anybody who uses either. im in a big city.


My 4S gets bogged down if I don't close out apps (which I don't want to ever have to worry about).


uh, you do realize that doesnt do anything, right? that list is a list of recently opened apps. few actually have a separate background process open (music, nav, etc)...the rest are in a Suspended or Not Running state, where they consume no additional CPU cycles.

http://daringfireball.net/2012/01/ios_multitasking
http://speirs.org/blog/2012/1/2/misconceptions-about-ios-multitasking.html

...so you already dont have to worry about it.

garylapointe
Jul 18, 2012, 01:32 PM
Does it seriously need to be said? BGR is almost as unreliable as Digitimes. They've consistently been wrong about everything in the past 18 months.

It's not like they went out on a limb:
More RAM and LTE. I could have said that (likely on RAM, almost certainly on the LTE).

The NFC, it seems like they've been rumoring for years, it's got to eventually come true :)

Although, too me, it just makes more sense they use the BT 4.0 as some kind of NFC chip. They've put it in MacBooks, iPhones and iPads lately...

PLUS, I don't think they've done new BT 4.0 keyboards (or mice?), so they're not really utilizing this technology that they've been adding to everything. So this makes even more sense...

Gary

tdhurst
Jul 18, 2012, 01:44 PM
I upgraded to an iphone 4 the week it came out from Verizon. That was February 11. I didn't get a 4s. What is the thinking on a subsidized upgrade from Verizon on the iPhone 5? Will they make me wait to December/ February, or will they give me a subsidized upgrade at the time of release?

It's usually every 18 months if you originally bought a subsidized phone. My wife bought a 4 when it came out, but wasn't eligible for a subsidized upgrade to a 4s until this month.

But because I bought an original iPhone and have always upgraded, I've always been eligible for a subsidized upgrade at the time of release.

Good luck!

MacVault
Jul 18, 2012, 01:51 PM
On iPhone 5 will the same piece of hardware support verizon & ATT, etc? Or is this wishful thinking?

Baklava
Jul 18, 2012, 02:03 PM
Now I wonder. If said production of the display assembly is changed to the slimmer format, does that mean they are actually fused to the display - hence can there be a leak of a clear front pannel? I am by far no way familiar with it, but my understanding was that the display gets a shrink in thickness and is fused to the front pannel. If so, whare are the leaks from if the part cannot exist alone? Or is the front pannel still seprate but the screen underneath is thinner? Anyone? :confused:

Good question... My guess is that the display and glass are separate, I don't know. But what I do know is that Microsoft's Surface is using a very slim glass. Writing with a stylus on it feels almost the same like writing on paper, that's what they said at the Surface keynote. (Great feature btw)

GorgonPhone
Jul 18, 2012, 02:07 PM
So all these parts could very well still be "dummy" parts as Apple could be testing everything inside a normal looking iPhone

well apple better make sure it looks better than these leaks...

Stridder44
Jul 18, 2012, 02:26 PM
What happened to the down vote button?:confused:

No idea, but they really need to bring it back because having just an up-vote button makes about as much sense as having just a down-vote button. Either have a full voting system or no voting system at all

TennisandMusic
Jul 18, 2012, 02:55 PM
Or to phrase it differently "I get excited by meaningless numbers and specs" and
"I like shiny (but impractical) things!"

Well this is certainly off. Having more ram is extremely meaningful AND practical.

Shiny and impractical would perfectly describe an iPhone with underperforming parts, and incapable software.

Think about it.

surfkw
Jul 18, 2012, 02:56 PM
I wonder how much longer we're going to be seeing posts like this...

Hopefully until we get the down-vote button back :D

rockstarjoe
Jul 18, 2012, 03:08 PM
Weren't the prices like:

16 GB $499, 16 GB + 3G $529
32 GB $599, 16 GB + 3G $629
64 GB $699, 16 GB + 3G $729



I think you are off by $100 for the 3G models?

room237
Jul 18, 2012, 03:32 PM
At this point with all these ********* rumors and what not...I think its safe to say that no one knows anything about what the next iPhone will actually be.

You finally figured out the concept of a rumors site

sulpfiction
Jul 18, 2012, 03:33 PM
With every leaked iPhone 5 front-panel photo I somehow like the new wider design more and more. :)

Whats the new "wider" design?:confused: I've only seen taller. I'm actually hoping for slightly wider, but don't think it's coming. 16:9 looks like the winner although I'll wait and see.

saturn79
Jul 18, 2012, 04:22 PM
Great. Considering this claim comes from BGR, we can now expect the next iPhone to have 768 Mb of RAM, no NFC, and no LTE. If any of BGR's claims come true, the laws of physics as we know them have been broken.

TallGuy1970
Jul 18, 2012, 04:34 PM
And Apple - as usual - will be the last one.

You know... I've heard this complaint ever since I started using Apple products. "Apple doesn't put enough RAM in their (insert favorite iOS device here)!"

I am not by any means the heaviest user, but I do typically have 20 apps open on any given day. I'm also not a stupid user. I close most if not all of my apps at least every other day. It's usually done just before putting the phone on the charger. I have never had any problems that I can really attribute to a lack of RAM.

It's not the amount of RAM, it's how you use it! :cool:

Broph
Jul 18, 2012, 04:35 PM
Does anyone else feel that (from the rumored information we have), that this iPhone is playing 'catch-up' instead of pioneering new technologies? I'm sure there'd be something BIG that's missing...

nuckinfutz
Jul 18, 2012, 05:34 PM
Does anyone else feel that (from the rumored information we have), that this iPhone is playing 'catch-up' instead of pioneering new technologies? I'm sure there'd be something BIG that's missing...

We haven't seen the phone so you're basing everything on rumors which is a fool's errand.

fertilized-egg
Jul 18, 2012, 05:45 PM
Does anyone else feel that (from the rumored information we have), that this iPhone is playing 'catch-up' instead of pioneering new technologies? I'm sure there'd be something BIG that's missing...

Not just "this" iPhone. Apple has always been very conservative in picking the radio technology and also the RAM amount, both of which probably stem from the fact they really value the battery life, which is partially influenced by their stubbornness in the small form factor - even this rumored new iPhone with the larger display isn't that much taller than the current iPhone. In fact if the rumors are correct, the new phone will be smaller than the current iPhone in overall volume, which means they cannot just increase the battery capacity by making the phone larger. Android phones picked up LTE as the selling feature even when it was battery sucking fiend. Apple just doesn't do that with iPhone.

That doesn't mean Apple doesn't use new technologies when they feel like it - for instance this will be the first phone produced in this kind of volume using in-cell LCD display. Also Apple was the first one to use the SGX543MP2, or at least something of that performance leve, in the phone, and the 3GS had one of fastest overall processor on the market when it showed up. It's just that Apple pick and choose things, and they are more on the conservative side because of the battery and the volume requirements.

Anti-Lucifer
Jul 18, 2012, 06:01 PM
I am on no contract, finally with AT&stink.

I am ridding my GS2 and I am NOT getting any smartphone. I just can't afford data service which AT&crap along with Verizon is ripping off. They think people can't do without a smartphone and they are dead wrong. I am happy on my ipad 3 all day and night and have not even looked at my GS2 since.

With all the new innovations or improvements on the phones coming soon, all the features rely on a data packages and there is no way I am getting raped by AT&sh8t any more. These greedy carriers will doom all smartphone sales one day.

Think about it - you are paying nearly a car payment for cell service each month!

Renzatic
Jul 18, 2012, 06:06 PM
Think about it - you are paying nearly a car payment for cell service each month!

Either you get really cheap cars, or you need to think about adjusting your plan.

Anti-Lucifer
Jul 18, 2012, 06:07 PM
Either you get really cheap cars, or you need to think about adjusting your plan.

right, I'd like that money tree in your backyard. :rolleyes:

Renzatic
Jul 18, 2012, 06:16 PM
No. It's mine. :mad:

I pay $80 a month for my iPhone with Verizon. I've got 2000 texts, 600 minutes talk time, and I'm still grandfathered in on unlimited data.

Am I paying too much? Oh yeah. Cell providers bend us all over the barrel when it comes to pricing, and squeeze us for ever single penny they possibly can. They're greedy bastards, who get away with it because we don't have any other choice.

But is it prohibitively expensive? As in one car payment per month expensive? Hardly.

recharge23
Jul 18, 2012, 06:30 PM
it it does indeed have NFC, i'll truly regret buying my 4s two months ago. other than that, nothing to exciting to me.

manu chao
Jul 18, 2012, 06:52 PM
I think you are off by $100 for the 3G models?
Oups, yes that is true. Still places the top model well below $1000 at $829. Adding VAT, it can get above $1000 in some countries.

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Maybe it was $900 when I bought because of the exchange rate fluctuations, but not less.

There are countries which have less than 25% VAT but high duties. You would pay around $2000 for that iPad there.
True, but all electronic devices would be more expensive by the same factor in those countries. Every electronic device there would be a much different value proposition there than in let's say most OECD countries.

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Apple also does not sell at exchange rate + tax in other countries, they always add some percentage for themselves.
So, does usually everybody else which means that we should convert things at PPP not exchange rates because a vast array of products tends to more expensive outside the US.

StyxMaker
Jul 18, 2012, 07:07 PM

My 4S gets bogged down if I don't close out apps (which I don't want to ever have to worry about).



I wonder what I'm doing right, my 4S never bogs down and I never manually close apps.

AppleBoyFreak
Jul 18, 2012, 08:15 PM
On iPhone 5 will the same piece of hardware support verizon & ATT, etc? Or is this wishful thinking?

The current iPhone 4S has glabal radios. Like right now if I unlock my AT&T iPhone 4S I can go to T-Mobile, Verizon, or Sprint and it should still work normally. That's part of the selling point of the iPhone 4S, it's a global phone...

b166er
Jul 18, 2012, 08:29 PM
I read that as "getting into your housecarl..."

http://chzfandom.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/fanart-cosplay-hint-hes-not-in-the-house.jpg

Broph
Jul 18, 2012, 09:14 PM
We haven't seen the phone so you're basing everything on rumors which is a fool's errand.

You missed one important part of my post.

"from the rumored information we have"

Mackan
Jul 18, 2012, 09:27 PM
Hopefully until we get the down-vote button back :D

It's a trend to remove the down-vote button. I've seen it on several forums recently. The arguments behind it are unknown.

osaga
Jul 18, 2012, 09:35 PM
The concept of merging my travel card, keys, wallet, mp3 player, loyalty cards, calendar, address book is pretty cool. Imagine getting into your house/car with your phone....

keys - No one is going to do this. The locks are battery powered, and so is the phone.

wallet - What about a place to put cash and business cards?

The wallet phone concept seems pointless to me. Maybe it would make sense to pay with your phone at checkout instead of your credit card. You could save yourself about 1 second.

AidenShaw
Jul 18, 2012, 09:42 PM
It's a trend to remove the down-vote button. I've seen it on several forums recently. The arguments behind it are unknown.

I wish that I could down-vote you.

;)

solarguy17
Jul 18, 2012, 09:46 PM
Apple has already demonstrated that they would put too little RAM in iOS devices.

The iPad 1 came out with a pathetic 256MB of RAM and now won't get iOS 6.

It is unacceptable that one would spend 1K in a device only to see it obsoleted in just 2 years.

Huh? And iPad 1 was only $500 at the least and $820 at the Mac. Neither of which is near $1k

golf1410
Jul 18, 2012, 10:07 PM
I can imagine, what situation will be when it launches, if iphone has not entered the production yet.

33man
Jul 19, 2012, 12:40 AM
Guys the size doesn't matters... ;)

1Gb ram or 512 or 32mb whatever if they manage to have a responsive UI... Less ram means also less expensive and more space for battery or new components...

But honestly I hope it will be a bit wider and if we remove or down size the two black bars top and bottom the phone will not be taller but the screen will!!! Please Apple remove those annoying 16/9 bars... ;) I feel watching a 16/9 movie on a 4/3 tv.

duckyforlife
Jul 19, 2012, 01:21 AM
Huh? And iPad 1 was only $500 at the least and $820 at the Mac. Neither of which is near $1k

I believe someone in a previous page said they spent $1000 on the iPad 1 which was still not the most expensive compared to other countries.

danielowenuk
Jul 19, 2012, 03:19 AM
keys - No one is going to do this. The locks are battery powered, and so is the phone.


Yeah because no car manufacturer would ever move to a remote keyless entry system..... hang on a second.

Dionte
Jul 19, 2012, 07:26 AM
Or to phrase it differently "I get excited by meaningless numbers and specs" and
"I like shiny (but impractical) things!"

I've used one a couple times, it seemed very practical.
Lol @ meaningless numbers and specs, when I doubled the ram on my iMac, performance increased.

nuckinfutz
Jul 19, 2012, 09:57 AM
You missed one important part of my post.

"from the rumored information we have"

Not really important IMO.

LTE- was a given in the iPhone when iPads launched with LTE

NFC - Nice to have but not huge IMO.

1GB of RAM - in the new iPad.

This info doesn't tell us what we can already guess with good accuracy about what is in the next iPhone.

I'm curious about what people aren't talking about. The SoC and other stuff like the camera and more.

MacVault
Jul 19, 2012, 10:36 AM
The current iPhone 4S has glabal radios. Like right now if I unlock my AT&T iPhone 4S I can go to T-Mobile, Verizon, or Sprint and it should still work normally. That's part of the selling point of the iPhone 4S, it's a global phone...

According to this page the unlocked iPhone 4S will only work on a GSM network...
http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_iphone/family/iphone/iphone4s

The unlocked iPhone works only on supported GSM networks, such as AT&T in the U.S. When you travel internationally, you can also use a micro-SIM card from a local GSM carrier. The unlocked iPhone will not work with CDMA carriers such as Verizon Wireless or Sprint.

AppleBoyFreak
Jul 19, 2012, 12:17 PM
According to this page the unlocked iPhone 4S will only work on a GSM network...
http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_iphone/family/iphone/iphone4s

The unlocked iPhone works only on supported GSM networks, such as AT&T in the U.S. When you travel internationally, you can also use a micro-SIM card from a local GSM carrier. The unlocked iPhone will not work with CDMA carriers such as Verizon Wireless or Sprint.

Oh okay, my bad. I could've sworn in the keynote though that they said it was a world phone and had a CDMA/GSM network card in the phone

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According to this page the unlocked iPhone 4S will only work on a GSM network...
http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_iphone/family/iphone/iphone4s

The unlocked iPhone works only on supported GSM networks, such as AT&T in the U.S. When you travel internationally, you can also use a micro-SIM card from a local GSM carrier. The unlocked iPhone will not work with CDMA carriers such as Verizon Wireless or Sprint.
Yeah, we were both right. On this page it says "And iPhone 4S is a world phone, so you can use it almost anywhere. Whether you’re a GSM*or CDMA customer, you can roam GSM networks in 200 countries around the world." - http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/

manu chao
Jul 19, 2012, 01:04 PM
Oh okay, my bad. I could've sworn in the keynote though that they said it was a world phone and had a CDMA/GSM network card in the phone

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Yeah, we were both right. On this page it says "And iPhone 4S is a world phone, so you can use it almost anywhere. Whether you’re a GSM*or CDMA customer, you can roam GSM networks in 200 countries around the world." - http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/
Being able to roam and being unlocked and working 'natively' on all networks are two different things. Technically, the iPhone 4s works on basically all GSM networks and on a (large?) number of CDMA networks (don't know how bad the frequency and other fragmentation with CDMA is). Where it works technically AND there is roaming agreement between the carriers, it will work just fine on your normal phone number, just with potentially quite expensive tariffs.

On the GSM side, if a phone is unlocked, you can put any SIM from any provider in it and use it 'natively' (ie, to local tariffs) on their networks, naturally with a different, local phone number. To switch a CDMA phone from one carrier to another, you need something akin to a firmware change and I have seen no reports of it being done though I think it should be possible (but it might technically as difficult as unlocking a locked GSM phone by unofficial means).