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hesdeadjim
Nov 24, 2002, 11:03 PM
One of the coolest, most fun gifts I have ever purchased for someone else.

EXCEPT THAT NO PC I HAVE EVER SEEN HAS A FIREWIRE PORT.

Mac is not only insane for not making this USB compatible, but doubly insane... blindingly mad in fact... because they make it sound like it's no big deal, and provide no help on what to do in their online customer service or the manual.

YOU HAVE TO BUY A ... FIREWIRE CARD AND INSTALL IT SEPERATELY.

This is not easy feat if your computer can't take on a whole new port. Plus, some places are still charging upwards of ... for this card.

If Macintosh wanted PC users to feel like Mac didn't find them worth their while, they have succeeded. The specs are all awesome, and the machine is fun to toy with, but we won't know how great it actually runs until we've figured out this whole installing new hardware hassle. In fact, it's such a pain I'm tempted to rate this product 1-2 stars even though it probably runs like a 5 simply because of how horribly boneheaded the customer support is on this sucker.

I am much happier with the Archos I recieved for myself, and I'm sorry I didn't purchase that as a gift instead. Until they make a Firewire-to-USB converter, this is my story.



Here is the link if you want Link (http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/sr=1-2/qid=1038199408/ref=sr_1_2/602-2761909-6273450?asin=B00006FDR1)

I was just wondering if this was true that Apple doesn't say on the PC packgage for the iPod that you need a firewire port. I'm sure it does, but this guy makes it seem like Apple is at fault.

Also, I know this guy is entitled to his own opinion and everything, but is he actually saying that USB is better than Firewire. If he was making an arguement for USB 2.0 then I would just disagree and let it be, but USB 1 is so slow for transfering files espicially when you get to gigs of data. I would almost think that an external USB hard drive is useless now. Of course, I know that PC's are slow to accept new technology and have legacy issues, buyt why doesn't the guy just argue for parallel ports since all PC's have those (trust me, some PC users don't even now what USB is still). The iPod was designed to be the cream of the crop when it came to MP3 players and I agree whole heartedly when they chose firewire just because of the extra speed alone.

rainman::|:|
Nov 24, 2002, 11:18 PM
You kind of have to ignore these idiots. Most of the reviews at target are all very positive, which is goo news :)

pnw

Rajj
Nov 25, 2002, 09:29 AM
This guy is crazy, ALL Sony’s and most of the higher end HP’s comes with Firewire!!!;) :p

puffmarvin
Nov 25, 2002, 09:51 AM
Originally posted by xrhajj
C4 H10 F O2 P = Annihilation of the central nervous system…what am I ???

being the bio dork that i am... i believe you are sarin (?) gas. did i even spell that right?!?! heheheh

irmongoose
Nov 25, 2002, 10:03 AM
I hate it how these idiots call Apple 'Mac' as if it's the company name.. just proves that their idiots... ugh.




irmongoose

hesdeadjim
Nov 25, 2002, 10:45 AM
Originally posted by irmongoose
I hate it how these idiots call Apple 'Mac' as if it's the company name.. just proves that their idiots... ugh.

I didn't even notice that. I guess he's just an idiot.

alex_ant
Nov 25, 2002, 11:12 AM
Originally posted by hesdeadjim
Also, I know this guy is entitled to his own opinion and everything, but is he actually saying that USB is better than Firewire.
I think if my computer had USB and no Firewire, I'd think USB were better than Firewire as well. :) (I'd rather be able to use a slow device than no device at all)

To the point, though, some people are just idiots. This person reminds me of the people who post on digital camera forums blasting camera makers for their "defective" cameras when the included AA alkaline batteries only last 20 minutes. (Read page 1 of the manual - you know, the one that's written in 24-point type - and buy NiMHs, you ****ing retards.) I suppose, considering they're being sold at Target, that the iPods should be more clearly labeled as requiring Firewire ports on the host PC (if they're not already). But then again, I'm one of those who is in favor of dropping the Windows iPod entirely and telling PC users to go and **** themselves.

Rajj
Nov 25, 2002, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by puffmarvin


being the bio dork that i am... i believe you are sarin (?) gas. did i even spell that right?!?! heheheh
Good job!!!
Now you must die!!:D ;) :p

al256
Nov 25, 2002, 11:28 AM
Originally posted by irmongoose
I hate it how these idiots call Apple 'Mac' as if it's the company name.. just proves that their idiots... ugh.




irmongoose

I couldn't agree more but I really hate it when they spell mac like "MAC" with all capital letters. Mac isn't a freakin' acronym!

robMaurizi
Nov 25, 2002, 12:28 PM
Oddly enough, he gave it 4 stars! Can't be that bad now, can it?! ;-)

MacAficionado
Nov 25, 2002, 03:57 PM
he asks for wma. support!

Riiiiiight!
:p

Durandal7
Nov 25, 2002, 05:52 PM
I've seen lots of PCs with Firewire. What's this guy have? A 486?

FattyMembrane
Nov 25, 2002, 06:16 PM
damn, all digital video cameras use firewire and transfering 5gigs (not to mention 20 gigs) of music over usb would take forever. but, when we protect freedom of speech, we protect the idiots too, it has to be done.

e-coli
Nov 25, 2002, 07:05 PM
I guess all DV camcorder manufacturers are also "boneheads". Of course, most PC users wouldn't know anything about editing their home movies since it's maddeningly difficult on a PC.

As for it being difficult to install a new port, that's a Windows problem. If it weren't such a pile of trash it would be easy to expand your computers functionality.

Anyone ever transferred 20GB of data over USB??? Hope you have an extra vacation day. :rolleyes:

Kethoticus
Nov 25, 2002, 07:48 PM
I believe a firewire issue that many PCers might have was expressed by one of the reviewers. He commented that his firewire port had only 4 pins. Certainly this can be a pain in the rump if true.

Hemingray
Nov 25, 2002, 08:16 PM
People like this don't deserve to even handle an iPod... :rolleyes: I mean seriously! There are PLENTY of USB MP3 players out there, and if you want the snailpace of USB to download gigs of music onto your elegant iPod... WELL TOO BAD! :p

Hemingray
Nov 25, 2002, 08:18 PM
Originally posted by Kethoticus
I believe a firewire issue that many PCers might have was expressed by one of the reviewers. He commented that his firewire port had only 4 pins. Certainly this can be a pain in the rump if true.

Apple provides a 4-to-6 pin FireWire cord with the PC iPod. What's the big deal here? So it doesn't recharge while it's plugged into their PC, that's it.

Kid Red
Nov 25, 2002, 10:54 PM
Is this true?

EXCEPT THAT NO PC I HAVE EVER SEEN HAS A FIREWIRE PORT.



I don't own a PC but find it hard to believe that this computer genius has never seen a PC with a firewire port, they do have firewire ports right? Someone should put a review in at Target and mention what an idiot that guy is for when other pc people read them.

MacBandit
Nov 26, 2002, 02:17 AM
This guy reminds me of my boss and most of the pc people I know.

They wouldn't know where to start if they bought the thing in the first place. First off they would find out they wouldn't have the right port so they would probably just let it sit there for years without doing anything about it.

If they did get the inkling to try to use it they would have to call someone to get help on the firewire card or have someone install one. Most of them are so afraid of opening there case it's not even funny. It's like they'll let out some magic pixie dust and the computer will die. In fact my boss is so against opening a computer he won't upgrade or let me upgrade the ram in the computer at work that's trying to chug along with 64MB with 8MB of that being used for video. Oh, and it's too much trouble to call someone and have them upgrade the ram.

This explains 90% of the basic computer PC people I know. I personally have to think that this goes for all computer users in general that 90% at least are so incompetent that there scared.

yzeater
Nov 26, 2002, 02:44 PM
Here's the thing. WE DON'T CARE WHAT HE THINKS. Right? Do we need this one idiot to switch? Nope. He's a born stupid PC user, and he'll die that way

bousozoku
Nov 26, 2002, 05:52 PM
I like the "installing new hardware hassle".

Although, with Win98 and Win2000, it's gotten much better, it's still a problem. I once spent 15 minutes going round-and-round with Win95 trying to install video card drivers. :D

Considering that they're all user reviews, and that review is not on that certain page anymore, it seems okay. There will always be someone out there who just doesn't get it--and tells the world about it. They end up looking like an idiot and the world laughs and goes on without them.

Now, if Target would just put the iPod in a place where it can be seen from far down the main aisle...

beez7777
Nov 26, 2002, 06:05 PM
Originally posted by yzeater
Here's the thing. WE DON'T CARE WHAT HE THINKS. Right? Do we need this one idiot to switch? Nope. He's a born stupid PC user, and he'll die that way

yeah, i think its better for these types people who fall in the category of having higher ages than IQs to stick with windows, rather than dirty the mac community with their stupidity.

tjwett
Nov 26, 2002, 06:18 PM
if people don't have FireWire they should not even be buying something as cool as an iPod. they are obviously stuck in the stonage and should be saving up their beads and shells to purchase a new Mac, or atleast an up-to-date PC. i don't feel bad for this guy. he is a rod.

Macmaniac
Nov 26, 2002, 08:15 PM
Whats even funnier is that I see windows people talking about how awsome it is to import their DV video over USB 1.1. They think it is the coolest thing in the world. Just proves to every one how little intelligence people have.
USB does not come even close to firewire, even with USB 2.0 it still is only a few MB faster and besides who wants to lug around an external power supply?
As soon as Gigawire comes out USB will go out just like serial did.:rolleyes:

MacBandit
Nov 27, 2002, 01:36 AM
Originally posted by Macmaniac
Whats even funnier is that I see windows people talking about how awsome it is to import their DV video over USB 1.1. They think it is the coolest thing in the world. Just proves to every one how little intelligence people have.
USB does not come even close to firewire, even with USB 2.0 it still is only a few MB faster and besides who wants to lug around an external power supply?
As soon as Gigawire comes out USB will go out just like serial did.:rolleyes:

Few MBs faster? I haven't seen this. In the closest tests I've seen it came in around 10MB/s slower. Sure theoretical bandwith is faster but that is because they include the bandwith used by the hardware for handshaking and error correction. When all is said and done it is much slower.

This is the complete opposite of Firewire which can and has achieved maximum bandwith in the right situation.

Most USB2.0 video cameras max out around 2MB/s transfer. This is due to the flaky protocol and hardware used in portable devices.

irmongoose
Nov 27, 2002, 03:07 AM
Originally posted by MacBandit
Sure theoretical bandwith is faster but that is because they include the bandwith used by the hardware for handshaking and error correction.

What's handshaking? I understand error correction, but...




irmongoose

MacBandit
Nov 27, 2002, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by irmongoose


What's handshaking? I understand error correction, but...




irmongoose

Handshaking is an old term used to explain two pieces of hardware initiating a transfer protocol and holding the connection by constantly sending small amounts of data back and forth updating there current status.

funkywhat2
Nov 27, 2002, 02:35 PM
Originally posted by beez7777


yeah, i think its better for these types people who fall in the category of having higher ages than IQs to stick with windows, rather than dirty the mac community with their stupidity.

Wow, Billy. You don't sound like a Nazi when you say that. How dare we consider a fellow human to be on the same level as ourselves, I mean, he or she may have different ideas than me, and that must mean they're wrong! Besades, the may "dirty" my "community" with their ideas that may be caused by a lack of money, or even knowledge!

In fact, all of you saying that he doesn't deserve to have an iPod, or that he is an idiot, ought to stand back and take a breath. Maybe learn to accept other people situations and ideas.

scem0
Nov 27, 2002, 02:44 PM
Its not like a firewire card is mega expensive,
or hard to install for that matter. Yes, just
ignore thse people who don't know what they
are saying... ;)

Gus
Nov 27, 2002, 04:30 PM
Maybe it's just me, but before I drop $300+ on a digital "toy" I do some research at the company's website. Not only does Apple give them warnings about Firewire being a requirement, but now the Apple Store Online is selling PC Firewire cards. They have models for both desktop, and laptop(PCMCIA). Maybe it was an impulse buy. If so, I want this guy buying me presents, because he's loaded!

Gus

iJon
Nov 27, 2002, 05:01 PM
I built my own computer, and when i was shopping for my pc parts every motherboard i looked at from all kinds of companys had firewire, they like 4 of them. this guy must be running an old pc and he just wanted to have this new great product work on his old crappy machine. it just isnt gonna happen. haha, wait till he has to buy a video camera, he will be in a big world of s*** then. oh by the way, im not at my parents business right now but last time i checked the box says you must have a firewire port or card or something like that installed. this guy is just mad because he doesnt know everything and he hopes everything will work perfectly.

iJon

irmongoose
Nov 28, 2002, 04:20 AM
Originally posted by crazy_will
In fact, all of you saying that he doesn't deserve to have an iPod, or that he is an idiot, ought to stand back and take a breath. Maybe learn to accept other people situations and ideas.

Okay, maybe you have to READ the other posts carefully before making any comments.. clearly I was calling him an idiot not because he thought the iPod was bad... in fact he thought it was really good, except for the fact that it didn't have USB, and Apple didn't tell him that it says you need a firewire port. Also, he says that no Wintel machine he has seen has firewire ports. THESE are the points I was attacking. If he had made a good arguement, I would accept it, but this is just plain IDIOCY.

Also, he called Apple 'Mac'.. which is a mistake I have seen many idiots make... :D




irmongoose

irmongoose
Nov 28, 2002, 04:32 AM
Whoops double post. Sorry.. please delete!




irmongoose

funkywhat2
Nov 29, 2002, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by irmongoose


Okay, maybe you have to READ the other posts carefully before making any comments.. clearly I was calling him an idiot not because he thought the iPod was bad... in fact he thought it was really good, except for the fact that it didn't have USB, and Apple didn't tell him that it says you need a firewire port. Also, he says that no Wintel machine he has seen has firewire ports. THESE are the points I was attacking. If he had made a good arguement, I would accept it, but this is just plain IDIOCY.

Also, he called Apple 'Mac'.. which is a mistake I have seen many idiots make... :D
irmongoose

The iPod being good is your opinion. I did read the posts, and so far all of you seem to be taking a "holier-than-thou" attitude. Like I said, sit back and look at you're saying. Your all being *******s.

MacBandit
Nov 29, 2002, 10:43 AM
Originally posted by crazy_will


The iPod being good is your opinion. I did read the posts, and so far all of you seem to be taking a "holier-than-thou" attitude. Like I said, sit back and look at you're saying. Your all being *******s.

The guy is an idiot. he's upset with Apple because HE did not read the packaging correctly. Also he didn't educate himself very well before making the purchase so he didn't even know what firewire was after he got it. You can not make assumptions about technology as this guy did or you ARE and idiot.