F1 2006 qualifying rules [Archive]

Jon'sLightBulbs

Oct 27, 2005, 03:53 PM

Qualification rules for next year...

http://www.formula1.com/news/3770.html

Part one: All 20 cars may run laps at any time during the first 15 minutes of the hour. At the end of the first 15 minutes, the five slowest cars drop out and fill the final five grid places.

What a cluster-fornication! 20 cars going all out head to head during qualifying... i predict crashes and more crashes even before the race begins.

Don't panic

Oct 27, 2005, 06:22 PM

Qualification rules for next year...

http://www.formula1.com/news/3770.html

What a cluster-fornication! 20 cars going all out head to head during qualifying... i predict crashes and more crashes even before the race begins.

why?
it used to be like that before the 1 lap (temporary) change.
and of course they have 20 cars lapping during the race.

Jon'sLightBulbs

Oct 27, 2005, 06:55 PM

why?
it used to be like that before the 1 lap (temporary) change.
and of course they have 20 cars lapping during the race.

And that's why you have crashes during the race. Because everyone's going head to head!

I like being able to focus on individual driver performances one at a time. There'll be enough mayhem during the race.

bursty

Oct 27, 2005, 10:12 PM

This will be much more interesting for fans though. You know how friggin boring it is to sit through qualifying at the track?

link92

Oct 27, 2005, 10:22 PM

I've been waiting... Single Lap quali sucked. If you made one mistake you were buggered. Driver's aren't perfect, they need more than one lap. Personally, from the looks of it, the original (pre-04) quali will still be better, but I guess my proper judgement will have to wait for March...

bursty

Oct 27, 2005, 10:31 PM

Counterfit

Oct 27, 2005, 11:37 PM

1 hour, 12 laps, race engine, no race fuel, same tire compound for race (not necessarily same tires though). It was good, it was exciting, and it ****ing worked.

JFreak

Oct 28, 2005, 02:47 AM

1 hour, 12 laps, race engine, no race fuel, same tire compound for race (not necessarily same tires though). It was good, it was exciting, and it ****ing worked.

yes! and it worked even better before those rules; there was a time when the only rule was: "1 hour". they had special engines and tyres, and rumour was some even had special fuel for quali session. it was damn good ;)

JFreak

Oct 28, 2005, 02:50 AM

What a cluster-fornication! 20 cars going all out head to head during qualifying... i predict crashes and more crashes even before the race begins.

i think not. the best teams only take it safe and drive one such lap per session that makes it into top ten for sure, and it's the lesser teams that actually use the time. you did notice that times are reset between the sessions, didn't you? there is no incentive for best teams to rev the engines before the last session begins.

no, they're going to take it on the safe side. no crashing, except probably between the minardis or whatever they call themselves next year.

CmdrLaForge

Oct 28, 2005, 03:12 AM

For me the new quali sounds just great. Looking forward to it. Last year was so boring that I really never ever watched it. And I am a hardcore F1 fanboy since 1991.

Cheers

FireArse

Oct 28, 2005, 08:54 AM

1 hour, 12 laps, race engine, no race fuel, same tire compound for race (not necessarily same tires though). It was good, it was exciting, and it ****ing worked.

I could not agree more. So interesting. The thing that got me hooked was that Hakkenen or someone made a scorching lap early - and i liked the idea of people trying to better that - only for the same fella to do it himself on the dying seconds! I swear - some qualifying was more nail-biting than the actual race!

I'm gonna make more effort to watch British Touring Cars though - great fun!

Don't panic

Oct 28, 2005, 08:58 AM

And that's why you have crashes during the race.

no. they crash because they try to pass each other, which they have no reason to do in qualis, or because they make mistakes, which can happen at any time.
15 minutes in which the good teams only have to post a top 15 time means that they (the good teams) will barely be on the track, and in any case the cars will be very spaced out as they have no interest whatsoever in racing close (they'd go slower).
in the old time (1 hour free for all) everybody was out in the last 3 minutes to use the best track conditions, including the slow cars. now you have only ten cars, and because they will have more evenly spread out lapping in the hour, the last 20 minutes' rubber will be more even, with less need to get out at the last second.

the potential of the system is good, and the problem of the old system was that it was terrible for TV, as it had 50 min of nothing going on and then 5-10 of incomprehensible mayhem. this should be fun to watch on tv and at the track.
the only thing i don't like is that they kept the fuel rule. It should be on low fuel, so truly is the fastest car in pole.

iGav

Oct 28, 2005, 11:04 AM

the problem of the old system was that it was terrible for TV, as it had 50 min of nothing going on and then 5-10 of incomprehensible mayhem. this should be fun to watch on tv and at the track.

Often though, those 10 minutes provided more excitment than a whole hour of the current format. ;) Senna and Schumacher and last second attempts. Awe inspiring :D

12 laps, 4 sets of rubber, low fuel, 1 hour, 1 run within every 15 minutes. :D That will do nicely. ;)

Lord Blackadder

Oct 28, 2005, 11:07 AM

Often though, those 10 minutes provided more excitment than a whole hour of the current format.

Not difficult since the current format provides almost no entertainment...I think it will be much better.

Counterfit

Oct 28, 2005, 12:04 PM

I could not agree more. So interesting. The thing that got me hooked was that Hakkenen or someone made a scorching lap early - and i liked the idea of people trying to better that - only for the same fella to do it himself on the dying seconds! I swear - some qualifying was more nail-biting than the actual race!

I'm gonna make more effort to watch British Touring Cars though - great fun!
Schumi and Hakkinen going head to head in the last 20 or so minutes was always exciting :cool:

Jon'sLightBulbs

Oct 28, 2005, 02:10 PM

Looks like the consensus is that the new qualifying rules will rock. This f1 fan has only been watching for 2 years, so maybe a little inexperience is clouding my judgement. Cheers.

javiercr

Oct 28, 2005, 04:17 PM

Schumi and Hakkinen going head to head in the last 20 or so minutes was always exciting :cool:

Schumi hasn't been very exciting laterly
:p

Counterfit

Oct 28, 2005, 05:22 PM

Schumi hasn't been very exciting laterly
:p
Note the past tense :(

Lord Blackadder

Oct 28, 2005, 05:27 PM

Note the past tense :(

I don't expect the slump to last long... he doesn't really even need a good car to win, just a halfway decent one.

iGav

Oct 29, 2005, 06:00 AM

Schumi hasn't been very exciting laterly :p

Eh? with the exception of a couple of races (Australia and China), I think he's been outstanding all season... just look at Suzuka, mixing it with cars that were at times 2 seconds a lap quicker. :D as well as monster performances at Imola, Monaco and Hungary. ;)

In Peter Windsor's (http://www.itv-f1.com/Feature.aspx?Type=Windsors_Wisdom) opinion, he's driver of the year. ;)

He's still got it. ;)

Lord Blackadder

Oct 29, 2005, 10:45 AM

He's still got it. ;)

Yeah, put anyone else (except maybe Kimi) in the F2005 and they would not have accomplished what he did.

link92

Oct 29, 2005, 02:06 PM

1 hour, 12 laps, race engine, no race fuel, same tire compound for race (not necessarily same tires though). It was good, it was exciting, and it ****ing worked.
What waas wrong with that in the first place?

Counterfit

Nov 3, 2005, 01:08 AM

What waas wrong with that in the first place?
As far as the action on the track was concerned, nothing. But Bernie's all about the $$.

JFreak

Nov 3, 2005, 01:54 AM

the only thing i don't like is that they kept the fuel rule. It should be on low fuel, so truly is the fastest car in pole.

yes, i agree; however, this might be something they will change after some time. they cannot admit being wrong with the fuel rule, can they? ;)

MOFS

Nov 3, 2005, 07:20 AM

I kinda like the new fuel rule, because it means the big teams don't spend millions developing qualifying-only petrol or indeed cars. Bit silly if a car has to change fuel to start the race - seems a bit backward if you ask me.:o

BTW, http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/4341488.stm - Nico Rosberg (Kiki Rosebrg's son) has got the Williams seat for next year.

JFreak

Nov 3, 2005, 08:13 AM

I kinda like the new fuel rule, because it means the big teams don't spend millions developing qualifying-only petrol or indeed cars. Bit silly if a car has to change fuel to start the race - seems a bit backward if you ask me.:o

it has been a rule for some time now that fuel must be of same spec throughout the whole season. back in mid 90's there were sanctions for teams and drivers (read: schumi) who tried to bend the rule.

Nico Rosberg (Kiki Rosebrg's son) has got the Williams seat for next year.

the name you tried to spell is "Keke" and it comes from his real name Keijo. by the way he won his championship with an underperforming ford-powered williams, so things are looking nice for his son if he's as good as he touts ;)

Don't panic

Nov 3, 2005, 09:11 AM

I kinda like the new fuel rule, because it means the big teams don't spend millions developing qualifying-only petrol or indeed cars. Bit silly if a car has to change fuel to start the race - seems a bit backward if you ask me.:o

the "fuel rule" we are referring to regards the amount of fuel, not its specifications. There is only one kind of fuel allowed, same for everybody in qualis and race. that has not changed for a while.
what i (and others) advocate is to let the teams use low fuel in the qualifications and then re-fuel to fit whatever strategy they want to use in the race.
Actually, if it was up to me, I would rule out re-fueling altogether. have them start with a full tank and go for it. it would eliminate pointless pitstops, increase safety (IMO), promote development of fuel-efficient engines and add of layer of interest to tyres strategy because it would make a no-stop strategy viable.

iGav

Nov 3, 2005, 10:40 AM

back in mid 90's there were sanctions for teams and drivers (read: schumi) who tried to bend the rule.)

Don't forget Mika and McLaren too. ;) :p :p :p

yes, i agree; however, this might be something they will change after some time. they cannot admit being wrong with the fuel rule, can they?

Have you heard rumours about '07 as well? I've been reading that the reason we haven't gone to low fuel for '06 is because the design process for next year is too advanced to start changing such significant regulations as fuel tank size.

iGav

Nov 3, 2005, 10:50 AM

BTW, http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/4341488.stm - Nico Rosberg (Kiki Rosebrg's son) has got the Williams seat for next year.

That's cool, Rosberg looks to be pretty handy behind the wheel doesn't he, once he's settled he should be able to give Webber more than a run for his money, I'm just glad that Jungle Boy didn't get the seat, imagine Pizza Boy and Sato in the same team :eek: :p :p

But yeah, like what is it with all these Flying Finns??? :eek: :p Räikkönen, now Rosberg and likely Kovalainen next season... it's like an invasion :p the Finns are turning F1 into their own personal playground. :p I wouldn't mind, but none of 'em are exactly what you can call crap are they. :eek: :p

Lord Blackadder

Nov 3, 2005, 12:15 PM

But yeah, like what is it with all these Flying Finns??? :eek: :p Räikkönen, now Rosberg and likely Kovalainen next season... it's like an invasion :p the Finns are turning F1 into their own personal playground. :p I wouldn't mind, but none of 'em are exactly what you can call crap are they. :eek: :p

If Davidson gets a seat it will be 3 Brits to 3 Finns...

I too am glad Jungle Boy is out of the picture...he almost made Sato look like a smooth driver!

The more and more I watch the FIA flip-flopping with rules the more I blame Supreme Dictator for Life Max Moseley, who appears to take strongly after his father in the Fascism department.:rolleyes:

Even a not-quite-so-great set of rules that remained stable for three or four seasons would be better than this whirlwind of changes, backpedaling and last-minute decisions.

iGav

Nov 3, 2005, 01:16 PM

If Davidson gets a seat it will be 3 Brits to 3 Finns...

And that's supposed to make me feel better???? *sobs* :eek: :p :p :p

The Finns are SERIOUSLY spoilt for choice.

The more and more I watch the FIA flip-flopping with rules the more I blame Supreme Dictator for Life Max Moseley, who appears to take strongly after his father in the Fascism department.

I blame Schumacher... the BASTARD!!!!! :D

Lord Blackadder

Nov 3, 2005, 02:02 PM

And that's supposed to make me feel better???? *sobs* :eek: :p :p :p

The Finns are SERIOUSLY spoilt for choice.

At least you have local boys to root for - I really hope Scott Speed turns out to be aptly named - although Squadro Torro Rosso probably won't be much more competitive than Minardi was, at least in '06.

But yeah, the Finns are always impressively fast.

Don't panic

Nov 3, 2005, 02:24 PM

At least you have local boys to root for - I really hope Scott Speed turns out to be aptly named - although Squadro Torro Rosso probably won't be much more competitive than Minardi was, at least in '06.

But yeah, the Finns are always impressively fast.

i think that Squadra Toro Rosso will be pretty decent, and Liuzzi/Speed make a nice duo.

and Nico Rosberg is german, so sorry but they win (schumacher, schumacher, hedfield, rosberg)

Lord Blackadder

Nov 3, 2005, 02:32 PM

i think that Squadra Toro Rosso will be pretty decent, and Liuzzi/Speed make a nice duo.

Similar to the issue with Super Aguri F1 - if Torro Rosso is allowed to use the Red Bull chassis then they'll be in decent shape. The FIA should not force them to develop their own chassis. The FIA keeps talking about reducing costs, and it is a lot cheaper to buy a chassis than to make one.

Counterfit

Nov 3, 2005, 06:31 PM

i think that Squadra Toro Rosso will be pretty decent, and Liuzzi/Speed make a nice duo.

and Nico Rosberg is german, so sorry but they win (schumacher, schumacher, hedfield, rosberg)
And if Alex Wurz has to fill in again for JPM, it will be 4+1, because Alex is Austrian.

Let's go Scott! It's about time I have a countryman to root for :D

Don't panic

Nov 3, 2005, 07:06 PM

And if Alex Wurz has to fill in again for JPM, it will be 4+1, because Alex is Austrian.
and so is klein, but I don't see any reason to lump them together
(unless you want to also count together Speed with JV, webber, button, coulthard and davidson)

Counterfit

Nov 4, 2005, 01:45 AM

and so is klein, but I don't see any reason to lump them together
(unless you want to also count together Speed with JV, webber, button, coulthard and davidson)
Well, then it would be 4+2. I suppose you can lump JV with Scotty, but I don't think JV'd like that. Australia and the US are too far from the UK to really count as the same, as I'm going by proximity and language, not just language. Besides, I believe JV's from Quebec, so he's closer to being French than English ;)

JFreak

Nov 4, 2005, 02:40 AM

But yeah, the Finns are always impressively fast.

Yep, always. And we are notoriously fast in getting drunk ;)

JFreak

Nov 4, 2005, 02:42 AM

Nico Rosberg is german

Nico has two nationalities - he is both Finn and a German. If he ever wins WDC, he will have to celebrate it twice :D

JFreak

Nov 4, 2005, 03:15 AM

The Finns are SERIOUSLY spoilt for choice.

Not everyone.

Remember Mika Salo, who drove almost all of his career in mediocre teams, having his only highlight as a Ferrari temp driver. It's so sad that he had to give a victory to a clown named Irvine. And then begun to develop Toyota, which later kicked him out for some reason. Really spoilt 90's for him :p

Or J.J. Lehto? Drove wonderful races in lesser teams, and when he was fortunate enough to get a Benetton drive with Schumi, he suffered serious injuries in a massive crash, after which he had to leave F1 for other series - few victories in LeMans, for example. But nobody chooses LeMans over F1 if there is not a reason why one is forced to.

The senior Rosberg of the 80's didn't have luxurious choices either. He drove in inferior cars until he got lucky to have a drive with Williams. He got his wdc in an evenly matched season, but after that almost everybody else begun using turbo engines whereas Williams continued using normally aspirating engines, making his car uncompetitive again. Spoilt with choice? Sure :rolleyes: